Which European component do you find most interesting?

[de Burgh II]

As everyone may know; Europeans genetically speaking are a three-way breakdown between Steppe, Neolithic and WHG/Hunter gatherer ancestry:

Steppic ancestry:

Responsible for modern day Indo-European language families/derivatives today. Pastoral in natural; brought with them was patrilineal traditions, mastery of dairy farming/lactose persistence mutation, mutations for blue eyes, red hair, blonde hair, etc. Came from the Steppes during the Bronze Age from the East that changed the landscape of Europe in its own right. Brought its own phenotypical strains that are peculiar to populations with high Steppic ancestry such as Nordids and Eastern Mediterraneanids (Pontids, etc.). Best modern day proxies for this ancestries being Eastern Europeans, etc.

Phenotypes peculiar to Steppes most likely being somewhere along the lines such as this:

http://tommyrivs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/James-in-fancy-clothes.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HeIsD9GGLg0/Sjx1dzg8wFI/AAAAAAAABhQ/3WwIaW3askQ/s400/elena-dementieva-1.jpg

Neolithic ancestry:

Responsible for bringing their mastery of agriculture, societal intricacies/developments, sedimentary lifestyles, etc. Known mutations they brought was light skin, dark hair/eyes, etc. For European derived Neolithic ancestry peculiar to Europeans specifically; came from Anatolia that dispersed along land and Maritime routes through Southwestern and Southeastern Europe that spread throughout Europe during the Early and Middle Neolithic. Phenotypical strains peculiar to high Neolithic ancestry being possibly Mediterraneanids (Atlanto-Mediterreans/"Atlanto-Meds"), Alpines, Dinarics, etc. Best proxy being Sardinians , etc.

May have looked something like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KiaVsphPlek/VmMPN6aj9nI/AAAAAAAAIwc/3rs3mkV24Ao/s640/sardinians%2Bsardinian%2Bpeople%2B%25289%2529.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pBa5MMpBD-M/U4valIqgdtI/AAAAAAAAFYw/dLJxMX-hVbM/s1600/sardinians+sardinian+people+(32).jpg


Hunter Gatherer ancestry:

Akin to being named "Old European/Europe", for good reason, preceding the Neolithic and Bronze Age time periods. As their name suggests, mainly maintaining a hunter-gatherer/scavenging lifestyles and tribalism. Diet consisting of an omnivorous diet between berries/plants and meats. Indigenous to the European continent, eventually adopted agriculture from Neolithic peoples from the early Neolithic onwards. Mutations peculiar to them being, blue eyes, dark hair, swarthy light brownish skin tone (WHG), light skin, eyes and blonde hair (SHG and EHG), etc.) Modern populations with the most preserved HG ancestry being Baltic populations such as Lithuanians, etc. Phenotypical strains being possibly more Cro-Magnon/CM oriented such as these:

http://www.hotelroomsearch.net/im/city/la-bra%C3%B1a-spain-0.jpg

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/73/285x214/352958_1.jpg

http://www.nayamanch.com/uploads/news/Diane%20Kruger.jpg

Despite the hypothetical approximations, which component/history of each time periods interests you the most?

[Catarinense1998]

Hunter-Gatherer

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

On Eurogenes runs I usually am interested in the Atlantid admixture since it seems to be a combination of both Neohlitic and Hunter-Gatherer. I guess those would be the components I am mostly interested in, since we didn't receive as much genetic input from Steppe invaders as the rest of Europe.

[Kamal900]

Neolithic.

[Norb]

whatever one I am! but I'm not good at reading any of my results

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

whatever one I am! but I'm not good at reading any of my results

You're a combination of all three, like all Europeans.

[Tong]

Mix between hunter gatherers and steppe. neolithics were farmcucks from the levant

[Illancha]

only steppe and neolithic. hunter gatherers are as interesting as trash can scavengers

[Norb]

You're a combination of all three, like all Europeans.

*which ever one I have the highest percentage of!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

*which ever one I have the highest percentage of!

Try puntDNAL K12

[de Burgh II]

*which ever one I have the highest percentage of!

You could try this hypothetical formula with MDLP k16 modern to break down your components:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?219806-Post-your-Basal-Eurasian-Steppe-related-ancestry-WHG-ANE-and-Neolithic-ancestry

[Norb]

Try puntDNAL K12

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 41.23
2 Anatolian_NF 37.35
3 Caucasus_HG 18.28
4 Near_East 1.39
5 Amerindian 0.74
6 Oceanian 0.53
7 Siberian 0.36
8 Beringian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 5.87
2 Unetice_EBA_I0117 5.9
3 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 6.17
4 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 6.91
5 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 8.22
6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 8.36
7 Vatya_SG_RISE479 9.83
8 Hungary_BA_I1502 10.78
9 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 11.34
10 Potapovka_I0419 13.62
11 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 14.77
12 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 15.07
13 Srubnaya_I0430 16.2
14 Srubnaya_I0232 18.03
15 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 18.24
16 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 19.67
17 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 19.88
18 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 20.51
19 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 21.11
20 Iberia_M_ I0406 30.04

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 41.23
2 Anatolian_NF 37.35
3 Caucasus_HG 18.28
4 Near_East 1.39
5 Amerindian 0.74
6 Oceanian 0.53
7 Siberian 0.36
8 Beringian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 5.87
2 Unetice_EBA_I0117 5.9
3 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 6.17
4 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 6.91
5 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 8.22
6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 8.36
7 Vatya_SG_RISE479 9.83
8 Hungary_BA_I1502 10.78
9 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 11.34
10 Potapovka_I0419 13.62
11 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 14.77
12 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 15.07
13 Srubnaya_I0430 16.2
14 Srubnaya_I0232 18.03
15 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 18.24
16 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 19.67
17 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 19.88
18 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 20.51
19 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 21.11
20 Iberia_M_ I0406 30.04

In this run you get Hunter-Gatherer as your highest component, followed by Neolithic Farmers and lastly Steppe.

[de Burgh II]

:white_gb:

[calxpal]

Hunter Gatherer catches my interest :).

[Kelmendasi]

All 3 but if I had to choose I would say a mix of Neolithic and WHG

[Aren]

*which ever one I have the highest percentage of!

Steppe no doubt followed by neolithic. But Steppe itself is a hybrid with one part being HG.

[Odin]

Steppe.

[de Burgh II]

:fest42:

[Iloko]

NW-European and Sardinian

[Kouros]

WHG

[Livin]

Iron age J2!!!

Neolithics were niggers from africa and indoeuropeans had siberian and mongol roots from the steppe.

[magicalM]

East Europe, south europe (east). Central Europe

Sent fra min Moto G (5) Plus via Tapatalk

[Sp_loa]

Neolithic

[Pahli]

Steppe has a nice beard, voted for him :laugh:

[Seya]

Neolithic :lol:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pBa5MMpBD-M/U4valIqgdtI/AAAAAAAAFYw/dLJxMX-hVbM/s1600/sardinians+sardinian+people+(32).jpg
no joke :P

[LoLeL]

Neolithic and steppe because they tamed hunter-gatherers.

[Decius]

Steppe and Neolithic is the most interesting. Indo Europeans and Neolithic people created modern civilization

[Decius]

Iron age J2!!!

Neolithics were niggers from africa and indoeuropeans had siberian and mongol roots from the steppe.

Neolithics were purely caucasoid people and looked like Southern Europeans

[Dick]

Neolithic :lol:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pBa5MMpBD-M/U4valIqgdtI/AAAAAAAAFYw/dLJxMX-hVbM/s1600/sardinians+sardinian+people+(32).jpg
no joke :P

Sardinians are mostly neolithic and some WHG. pics dont make sense since they have all 3 components except Sardinians i guess

[michal3141]

Baltic Hunter Gatherers are interesting to me.

[Livin]

Neolithics were purely caucasoid people and looked like Southern Europeans

Eb1?

Don't think so.


Those who come to balkan mixed with the local WHG.

G2a bring the white skin colour to EU.

[EdwardS]

Steppe!

[DarkWater]

All three! a majority of the genetic makeup in Europe comes from the hunter-gatherers. The agriculture comes from Neolithic (and a great deal of dna as well). and then our modern languages as well as our ability to digest cheese come from the steppe!

[Hylates]

Eb1?

Don't think so.


Those who come to balkan mixed with the local WHG.

G2a bring the white skin colour to EU.
Johnny , isn't J2 also Neolithic ? :confused:

[Decius]

All three! a majority of the genetic makeup in Europe comes from the hunter-gatherers. The agriculture comes from Neolithic (and a great deal of dna as well). and then our modern languages as well as our ability to digest cheese come from the steppe!

Genetics is not mainly HG. Southern Europe is majority Neolithic and Eastern Europe is more steppe/indo european then HG

[DarkWater]

Genetics is not mainly HG. Southern Europe is majority Neolithic and Eastern Europe is more steppe/indo european then HG

I bet it is a slight majority in Europe as a whole. But what you said is true

[Decius]

As a whole I bet it is a slight majority in Europe

I wish there was a calculator to determine what % you have of each of these 3 groups

[Zroota]

Hunter gatherer.

[HechtFans]

Neolithic ancestry:

These people modified the old life model and laid the foundations of the real society

[Peterski]

Probably Steppe.

[cosmoo]

Mutations peculiar to them being, blue eyes, dark hair, swarthy light brownish skin tone (WHG), light skin, eyes and blonde hair (SHG and EHG), etc.)
-Blue eyes are a Mesolithic/Epipalaeolithic novelty among them, and even then by no means were they the sole color, and even the "purest WHG" such as Loschbour have predicted probabilities of having blue eyes barely over 50%.
-Pigmentation of their skin is far from certain, given that the genes for light skin among modern Europeans are of Neolithic/IE inspiration, it is very well possible that the natives had altogether different set for it of which we currently don't know. Even if it was somewhat darker, it'd be safer to assume that it would be something akin to deep red hue of Native Americans of Great Plains rather than the "swarthy brownish" one.
-Light hair was never their characteristic. "EHG" have barely anything to do with European natives, and "SHG", even being admixed, were still overwhelmingly dark-haired.


Modern populations with the most preserved HG ancestry being Baltic populations such as Lithuanians, etc.
As I've explained elsewhere, populations which are not contemporary by at least a few proximal millennia are autosomally incomparable. Balts, given their direct lineages and visage, definitely do not have "most preserved" ancestry of theirs.


Phenotypical strains being possibly more Cro-Magnon/CM oriented such as these:
With an abundance of skeletal materials from various periods and regions, there is no place for even the slighest relativism, they indeed were of "Cro-Magnon" spectrum. The pictorial examples you've provided are abysmally poor.

[Token]

Steppe. They managed to rekt every single population that they encountered on their way, that is interesting.

Just to correct your post, the steppe component is not responsible for light pigmentation at all. These traits only became dominant after intense mixing with GAC during the Yamnaya expansion to the west as exemplified by the later eastern Beakers. GAC were predominantly Neolithic farmers but had very high incidences of rs16891982 and rs1805008, responsible for pale skin and light hair in modern-day Europeans. These snps were entirely absent in Yamnaya and Afanasevo, the pure representatives of the 'steppe' component. Today, light pigmentation is directly proportional to steppe ancestry, which can confuse uninformed people, but it's also directly proportional to GAC ancestry.

Anyway, despite the dark pigmentation, early Indo-Europeans were far from being 'Mediterraneans': they had broad faces and were metrically far closer to European Hunter-Gatherers.

[Mortimer]

Neolithic from those. And Italian/Greek/East-Med/Southeast Europe from the modern day ones. Its my main component anyways.

https://s15.postimg.cc/gs8p0g52z/DNALand_Ancestryreport.jpg

https://s15.postimg.cc/kbumq5scb/Gencoveupdatedancestryresults.jpg

https://s15.postimg.cc/bgtsfsggb/familytreednaeuropean.jpg

https://s15.postimg.cc/fd74bsol7/Myheritage_DNA.jpg

[Lauχum]

Mix between hunter gatherers and steppe. neolithics were farmcucks from the levant

Anatolian Farmers actually weren't recent migrants from the Levant. Look at the discontinuity of uniparental markers (e.g. Tonnes of E1b1b and CT popping up in Natufians and PPN but barely any in the Anatolian Farmers and European Farmers).

This was confirmed with the release of an abstract by the SMBE, there was a 90% genetic continuity between the Anatolian epipalaeolithic and neolithic:

The first Epipaleolithic Genome from Anatolia suggests a limited role of demic diffusion in the Advent of Farming in Anatolia

Feldman et al.

Anatolia was home to some of the earliest farming communities, which in the following millennia expanded into Europe and largely replaced local hunter-gatherers. The lack of genetic data from pre-farming Anatolians has so far limited demographic investigations of the Anatolian Neolithisation process. In particular, it has been unclear whether farming was adopted by indigenous hunter-gatherers in Central Anatolia or imported by settlers from earlier farming centers. Here we present the first genome-wide data from an Anatolian Epipaleolithic hunter-gatherer who lived ~15,000 years ago, as well as from Early Neolithic individuals from Anatolia and the Levant. By using a comparative dataset of modern and ancient genomes, we estimate that the earliest Anatolian farmers derive over 90 percent of their ancestry from the local Epipaleolithic population, indicating a high degree of genetic continuity throughout the Neolithic transition. In addition, we detect two distinct waves of gene flow during the Neolithic transition: an earlier one related to Iranian/Caucasus ancestry and a later one linked to the Levant. Finally, we observe a genetic link between Epipaleolithic Near-Easterners and post-glacial European hunter-gatherers that suggests a bidirectional genetic exchange between Europe and the Near East predating 15,000 years ago. Our results suggest that the Neolithisation model in Central Anatolia was demographically similar to the one previously observed in the southern Levant and in the southern Caucasus-Iran highlands, further supporting the limited role of demic diffusion during the early spread of agriculture in the Near East, in contrast to the later Neolithisation of Europe.

[Lauχum]

IDK where people get this idea from... either they take the Eurogenes ANE K7 calculator too literally or they think Survive the Jive is a reliable source of information on population genetics. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Lauχum]

But to answer OP's question. I'd probably say steppe not just because of their migrations but because of the languages and religious beliefs they brought with them which are extremely interesting fields of study. Though I also do find Neolithic Farmers very interesting especially for their often advanced levels of social organisation (Trypillia) and the vast number of structures they built across Europe (Newgrange, Barnenez, etc.).

[Dick]

Balts, given their direct lineages and visage, definitely do not have "most preserved" ancestry of theirs.

Good post regarding both lineages and visage. yes, Balts supposedly have the most Hunter Gatherer dna but are predominately R1 and N. Meanwhile, The Europeans that have the most "Loschbour" I-M170 Ydna are Southwest Slavs and Nordics and are also the tallest in Europe according to this study from last year.




http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/4/4/161054


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414258/bin/rsos161054-g5.jpg
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1444342717713.png



Just for laughs, This is my Ancient K7 populations from Yourdnaportal.com and I'm not even a Balt.


https://i.imgur.com/N3is4vC.jpg

[Mortimer]

which calculator is best to find out hunter gatherer steppe and farmer ancestry?

[Mortimer]

yourdnaportal k8

Population Percentage
Amerindian 0.54%
Siberian 0.00%
Euro Hunter-Gatherer 31.83%
Oceanian 2.01%
Sub-Saharan 0.19%
Southeast Asian 5.95%
Linearbandkeramik 33.54%
South-Central Asian 25.95%

k7

Population Percentage
Sub Saharan 0.25%
Oceanian 3.05%
Amerindian 1.91%
Euro Hunter Gatherer 38.98%
Siberian 0.37%
South East Asian 6.61%
Near Eastern 48.91%

ancient near east
Population Percentage
Southeast Asian 1.08%
Anatolia Neolithic 14.77%
CHG-EEF 27.19%
Polar 0.00%
EHG 8.80%
Sub-Saharan 0.70%
Iran-Neolithic 16.65%
Karitiana 1.05%
Ancestral-Indian 12.36%
Natufian 6.95%
Siberian 0.00%
Papuan 0.90%
SHG-WHG 9.55%

[cosmoo]

Steppe. They managed to rekt every single population that they encountered on their way, that is interesting.
By "virtue" of breeding like rabbits and spreading a whole array of diseases, including the first incidence of bubonic plague.


Just to correct your post, the steppe component is not responsible for light pigmentation at all. These traits only became dominant after intense mixing with GAC during the Yamnaya expansion to the west as exemplified by the later eastern Beakers. GAC were predominantly Neolithic farmers but had very high incidences of rs16891982 and rs1805008, responsible for pale skin and light hair in modern-day Europeans. These snps were entirely absent in Yamnaya and Afanasevo, the pure representatives of the 'steppe' component. Today, light pigmentation is directly proportional to steppe ancestry, which can confuse uninformed people, but it's also directly proportional to GAC ancestry.
You are not in position to correct anything, as you very well know the fallacy of your claims, yet still go on and spread them.
The phenomenon of blondism in the East is nothing new - it has been found as early as in Upper Palaeolithic Siberia (Afontova Gora 3), as well as in their descendants which crossed Urals towards Mesolithic ("EHG", such as Samara (R1b)), and finally in well-developed IE cultures (like Andronovo). Yamnayans were massive outliers in that regard, and no, not all "steppe cultures" hail from them, it is a decades-old misconception that has been proven wrong again and again, in many fields, genetics in particular. A good debunking of it:
https://indo-european.eu/2018/01/the-myth-of-mixed-language-the-concepts-of-culture-core-and-package-and-the-invention-of-steppe-folk/


Anyway, despite the dark pigmentation, early Indo-Europeans were far from being 'Mediterraneans': they had broad faces and were metrically far closer to European Hunter-Gatherers.
Neither were they as a whole of "dark pigmentation", nor did they have anything to do with Native Europeans (somewhat broader face does not equal genetic proximity). They had forwardly-projected zygomata and lateral orbital rims, frequent lack of nasion depression and nasal bridge weakly projected, with the aperture itself being broad and rounded, they had lack of lambdoidal flattening, their orbits were shallow and circular, their maxillae were broad in relation to zygomata, their mandibulae frequently had disproportionatelly small gnathion-gonion distances for their bigonal breadth, etc.
All those traits are in direct opposition to those of UP Europeans. Somewhat broad face does not make you one - a complex array of morphological traits does. Also, those broader steppe types were not the sole IE type - Nordic was well-developed among them even in Mesolithic (in case you wanted to pull the old "it's farmer-inspired" lie), even with a fully developed Corded Nordic from those times being found.

[Tong]

Anatolian Farmers actually weren't recent migrants from the Levant. Look at the discontinuity of uniparental markers (e.g. Tonnes of E1b1b and CT popping up in Natufians and PPN but barely any in the Anatolian Farmers and European Farmers).

This was confirmed with the release of an abstract by the SMBE, there was a 90% genetic continuity between the Anatolian epipalaeolithic and neolithic:

The first Epipaleolithic Genome from Anatolia suggests a limited role of demic diffusion in the Advent of Farming in Anatolia

Feldman et al.

Anatolia was home to some of the earliest farming communities, which in the following millennia expanded into Europe and largely replaced local hunter-gatherers. The lack of genetic data from pre-farming Anatolians has so far limited demographic investigations of the Anatolian Neolithisation process. In particular, it has been unclear whether farming was adopted by indigenous hunter-gatherers in Central Anatolia or imported by settlers from earlier farming centers. Here we present the first genome-wide data from an Anatolian Epipaleolithic hunter-gatherer who lived ~15,000 years ago, as well as from Early Neolithic individuals from Anatolia and the Levant. By using a comparative dataset of modern and ancient genomes, we estimate that the earliest Anatolian farmers derive over 90 percent of their ancestry from the local Epipaleolithic population, indicating a high degree of genetic continuity throughout the Neolithic transition. In addition, we detect two distinct waves of gene flow during the Neolithic transition: an earlier one related to Iranian/Caucasus ancestry and a later one linked to the Levant. Finally, we observe a genetic link between Epipaleolithic Near-Easterners and post-glacial European hunter-gatherers that suggests a bidirectional genetic exchange between Europe and the Near East predating 15,000 years ago. Our results suggest that the Neolithisation model in Central Anatolia was demographically similar to the one previously observed in the southern Levant and in the southern Caucasus-Iran highlands, further supporting the limited role of demic diffusion during the early spread of agriculture in the Near East, in contrast to the later Neolithisation of Europe.

Do u think anatolia is far away from the levant

[Imperator Biff]

Steppe obviously.
Culturally, linguistically and genetically their legacy is without question the greatest of the three.

[Bogdan]

All three are fascinating but Steppe and Hunter-Gatherer the most

[Livin]

Genetics is not mainly HG. Southern Europe is majority Neolithic and Eastern Europe is more steppe/indo european then HG

Indoeuropeans are a mix of CHG+EHG and Ofc ANE.

Southern europeans have both WHG+CHG and Basal Eurasian(NATUFIAN).