classify Greek nerds as group that won scholarships to the US

[catgeorge]

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[Sikeliot]

They look more Balkan. A minority have a Slavic look but most are Pontid, Alpine, and Dinaric.

[catgeorge]

They look more Balkan. A minority have a Slavic look but most are Pontid, Alpine, and Dinaric.

So they pass better in Cyprus than in Sicily

[Sikeliot]

So they pass better in Cyprus than in Sicily

They don't look either Cypriot nor Sicilian but if I had to pick it'd have to be Sicily because they look not Levantine enough for Cyprus.

[catgeorge]

They don't look either Cypriot nor Sicilian but if I had to pick it'd have to be Sicily because they look not Levantine enough for Cyprus.

So they pass better in Sicily than in Tuscany

[Sikeliot]

So they pass better in Sicily than in Tuscany

They look Balkan more than Italian.

[ovidiu]

Most of this group can fit in Southern Ro. pretty well I think, as well as probably other parts of the Balkans, like Fyrom and Bulgaria. I think Sikeliot was right concerning the classifications, although I don't usually agree with some of his assertions.

[Kamal900]

They pass in Cyprus and even in Israel as well.

[catgeorge]

They look Balkan more than Italian.

That wasn't my question do they fit better in Sicily or Tuscany

[Sikeliot]

Most of this group can fit in Southern Ro. pretty well I think, as well as probably other parts of the Balkans, like Fyrom and Bulgaria. I think Sikeliot was right concerning the classifications, although I don't usually agree with some of his assertions.

What do you not agree with that I have said?

[Sikeliot]

That wasn't my question do they fit better in Sicily or Tuscany

Tuscany if I have to pick.

[catgeorge]

Tuscany if I have to pick.

So Tuscany anthropologically based on pseudo science named Taxonomy is closer to Bulgaria than Sicily is. Based on your observation in this thread.

[Sikeliot]

So Tuscany anthropologically based on pseudo science named Taxonomy is closer to Bulgaria than Sicily is. Based on your observation in this thread.

The people in the photos look Balkan first to me (more Bulgarian and Romanian rather than Serb or Albanian), and then the next best fit is central Italy and Tuscany. They don't look southern Italian and certainly look even further from Levantines.

They might fit in PART of southern Italy but not so much Sicily or Calabria.

[ovidiu]

What do you not agree with that I have said?

Oh not on this thread, but on some others I don't necessarily agree with, especially concerning MENA populations. But hey everyone's entitled to their opinions and I respect that. Also I agree with you, these actually pass better in the Balkans, particularly east Balkans, rather than having a strong Italian vibe. Sometimes it's the other way around. I guess it depends on the part of Greece.

[catgeorge]

Oh not on this thread, but on some others I don't necessarily agree with, especially concerning MENA populations. But hey everyone's entitled to their opinions and I respect that. Also I agree with you, these actually pass better in the Balkans, particularly east Balkans, rather than having a strong Italian vibe. Sometimes it's the other way around. I guess it depends on the part of Greece.

They're all from Athenian universities therefore they could have roots stemming from Anatolia to Ukraine/Romania to Egypt to Cyprus. Athens is a Greek racial tragedy

[Sikeliot]

Oh not on this thread, but on some others I don't necessarily agree with, especially concerning MENA populations. But hey everyone's entitled to their opinions and I respect that. Also I agree with you, these actually pass better in the Balkans, particularly east Balkans, rather than having a strong Italian vibe. Sometimes it's the other way around. I guess it depends on the part of Greece.

Yes. In general, southern Peloponnesians, Cretans, and the Dodecanese look more (south) Italian. Thessalians, Thracians, Macedonians and Epirotes look more Balkan. Everyone else is somewhere in between.

[kleenex]

Yes. In general, southern Peloponnesians, Cretans, and the Dodecanese look more (south) Italian. Thessalians, Thracians, Macedonians and Epirotes look more Balkan. Everyone else is somewhere in between.

When you say Southern Peloponnesians are you referring to Mani and Tsakonians? Are you trying to regionalize the Peloponnese? If so please explain your reasoning. Thanks

[Tauromachos]

They look more Balkan. A minority have a Slavic look but most are Pontid, Alpine, and Dinaric.

Lol your obsession with Balkan

You don't even know if these people are all Mainlanders.
There might be very well Aegeans among them or even Pontians
Hell even some Cypriots might be possible.

Also hard to figure out what exactly means for a Greek to look Balkan but out of these pictures there are only 2 or 3 or at best 4 people
on whom i would agree that they look more Balkan.

[Sikeliot]

When you say Southern Peloponnesians are you referring to Mani and Tsakonians? Are you trying to regionalize the Peloponnese? If so please explain your reasoning. Thanks

I mean that I think Mani, Tsakonia, and probably some parts of Messinia in the south of the Peloponnese have a more distinct Mediterranean look and less Balkan influences/fewer people who deviate from a pan-south European look, if that make sense.

[catgeorge]

Half of them could be from Anatolia and Aegean Islands as far as we know that's what Athens is in majority anyway

[Tooting Carmen]

They look more Balkan. A minority have a Slavic look but most are Pontid, Alpine, and Dinaric.

They look too uniformly brunette and Mediterranean to be mistaken for Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats or even Albanians.

[Sikeliot]

They look too uniformly brunette and Mediterranean to be mistaken for Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats or even Albanians.

Their features look closer to being a homogeneously dark group of Balkanites to me than anything else though.

[Tooting Carmen]

Their features look closer to being a homogeneously dark group of Balkanites to me than anything else though.

Whatever genetics might suggest, I still find it laughable how they look much more "pan-Euro" to you than do South Italians and possibly Iberians.

[Sikeliot]

Whatever genetics might suggest, I still find it laughable how they look much more "pan-Euro" to you than do South Italians and possibly Iberians.

Not much more, but they would fit better in central Italy than in Sicily or Calabria.

[Sikeliot]

Whatever genetics might suggest, I still find it laughable how they look much more "pan-Euro" to you than do South Italians and possibly Iberians.

Then where do you think the people in the photos fit better than what I suggested?

[Tooting Carmen]

Not much more, but they would fit better in central Italy than in Sicily or Calabria.

I think you'd find that even Tuscans and Romans have more light types than these. Perhaps Abruzzo, Molise and Apulia would be their best fits.

[Sikeliot]

I think you'd find that even Tuscans and Romans have more light types than these. Perhaps Abruzzo, Molise and Apulia would be their best fits.

I don't just go by coloring. In terms of features they look moderately less West Asian than say, the Calabrese.

This doesn't mean these people look like Poles and Swedes of course.

[Tooting Carmen]

Then where do you think the people in the photos fit better than what I suggested?

The only other parts of Europe where people look as strongly Mediterranean as this are Malta, Southern Italy and parts of Iberia. Certainly no Balkan Slavic country.

[Tauromachos]

They look too uniformly brunette and Mediterranean to be mistaken for Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats or even Albanians.

Apparently not for him.
Its even more odd if you keep in mind that he doesn't know how many of these people are actually Mainlanders

[Sikeliot]

The only other parts of Europe where people look as strongly Mediterranean as this are Malta, Southern Italy and parts of Iberia. Certainly no Balkan Slavic country.

But they don't look as outlying in features as some of those so it's not just a matter of dark hair and eyes. You focus too much on coloring.

[Tooting Carmen]

But they don't look as outlying in features as some of those so it's not just a matter of dark hair and eyes. You focus too much on coloring.

I am talking about features as well as colouring too. They look no more Slavic than Sicilians look Germanic or Andalusians look Anglo.

[catgeorge]

I think you'd find that even Tuscans and Romans have more light types than these. Perhaps Abruzzo, Molise and Apulia would be their best fits.

Agreed - and they would fit better in Cyprus.

This is Cypriots

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[Tauromachos]

Agreed - and they would fit better in Cyprus.

This is Cypriots

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Much better in Cyprus than in Bosnia

[Sikeliot]

I am talking about features as well as colouring too. They look no more Slavic than Sicilians look Germanic or Andalusians look Anglo.

They might not look more Slavic, but they look less MENA.

[Tauromachos]

They might not look more Slavic, but they look less MENA.

Ahahaha

[catgeorge]

They might not look more Slavic, but they look less MENA.

You are exaggerating. Granted some Cypriots have heavy MENA influence but that would be barely 25-30% of the population. 70% would pass as Greek without too much of a problem

[ovidiu]

They're all from Athenian universities therefore they could have roots stemming from Anatolia to Ukraine/Romania to Egypt to Cyprus. Athens is a Greek racial tragedy

True, that's also something to consider. You may be right. Do many Egyptian students come to study there? Also you say Romania/Ukraine as if they're the same thing or very similar when that's certainly not the case. And in particular we were talking about the southern part, which for the most part is notably closer genetically/phenotypically to Greece (particularly the north) than to Ukraine. Some Greeks here seem to just lump all the countries to the north of them together into a broad 'East Euro' category. The Black Sea region was exposed to a little Greek colonization in the past as well, btw, and didn't exist in a vacuum separate from the Aegean world at one point, and there were interactions across the Balkans as well.

I'm aware there was a population exchange with Anatolia in the early 20s after the First World War and collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and many of them moved to the northern areas of Greece? So would those have been Pontic Greeks? Or did many later move to Athens? I've toured around both areas in the past and noticed a few atypical types here and there.

[catgeorge]

True, that's also something to consider. You may be right. Do many Egyptian students come to study there? Also you say Romania/Ukraine as if they're the same thing or very similar when that's certainly not the case. And in particular we were talking about the southern part, which for the most part is notably closer genetically/phenotypically to Greece (particularly the north) than to Ukraine. Some Greeks here seem to just lump all the countries to the north of them together into a broad 'East Euro' category. The Black Sea region was exposed to a little Greek colonization in the past as well, btw, and didn't exist in a vacuum separate from the Aegean world at one point, and there were interactions across the Balkans as well.

I'm aware there was a population exchange with Anatolia in the early 20s after the First World War and collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and many of them moved to the northern areas of Greece? So would those have been Pontic Greeks? Or did many later move to Athens? I've toured around both areas in the past and noticed a few atypical types here and there.

Alexandreia in Egypt had a large Greek community for hundreds if not a thousand years - many migrated to Greece after its liberation and many more migrated to Greece after Greeks were expelled by muslims

[Tauromachos]

Alexandreia in Egypt had a large Greek community for hundreds if not a thousand years - many migrated to Greece after its liberation and many more migrated to Greece after Greeks were expelled by muslims

Guess what
Alot of Alexandrine Greeks were from former native Greeks who migrated to Alexandria and came originally from Greece"Mainland included"
My great Grandmother was from Alexandria but her parents were people from Crete who migrated to Alexandria.

Its the same with Greeks later who migrated to America to find a better life and start something new.

[catgeorge]

Guess what
Alot of Alexandrine Greeks were from former native Greeks migrated to Alexandria and came from Greece"Mainland included"
My great Grandmother was from Alexandria but her parents were people from Crete who migrated to Alexandria.

Its the same with Greeks later who migrated to America to find a better life and start something new.

I did not say they are Egyptian.

[Odin]

Mainly Pontids, few Alpine-Meds and Gracile-Meds. Pass in Southern Europe.