Are Cypriots more Levantine or Anatolian?

[Teucer]

From what I have seen here, the idea of Cypriots being primarily of Levantine descent is starting to falter.

If one looks at the gedmatch results and plot maps on TA, Cypriots appear to have a closer affinity to Cappadocian 'Greeks' and central Anatolians than the Lebanese.

This would explain why are on certain calculators the first 'Greek' populations Cypriots match with are from Western Turkey or the Dodecanese, since these populations clearly have a strong Anatolian affinity since antiquity.

Is it time to drop this 'Levantine' classification for an Anatolian one?

Discuss

[Teucer]

Bump

[Wrong]

Limited genetic introgression from both areas throughout history. Hard to tell judging by autosomal as the numerous PCA plots show deviating positions.

[Bosniensis]

Cyprot have different eyes in comparison to Anatolians (Turks)

Is it because Cyprots lack Turkic influence?

[Teucer]

Cyprot have different eyes in comparison to Anatolians (Turks)

Is it because Cyprots lack Turkic influence?

That is definitely a factor I think. Also direct Levantine influence in Cyprus plays another role, as well as from Greece

[Thracian]

As far as I know, Ancient Anatolians usually plot with Cypriots.

[Profileid]

Is there even enough data to make a conclusive statement either way? Cyprus is about as far away from the Levant as it is Anatolia and the island has a Semitic history.

[Maintenance]

Ancient Anatolian.

[Hylates]

Is there even enough data to make a conclusive statement either way? Cyprus is about as far away from the Levant as it is Anatolia and the island has a Semitic history.

Are we talking for the Phoenicians ?

[Dick]

i dated a Greek Cypriot years ago. Maria Popadopoulos. Probably half the island has that name.

[Profileid]

Are we talking for the Phoenicians ?
Yes. And Assyrians to an extent.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/sargon/essentials/countries/cyprus/
I don't really think anyone can deny a Levantine/Phoenician genetic influence. The question is how much and how it relates to modern day peoples.

[Livin]

Cyprous before hellenization was a mix between semitic pheoinicians and neolithic pelasians.

Armenoid and East med are the major phenotypes and ofc some Pontids.

I would pick Ancient anatolians.

[Kamal900]

Cyprous before hellenization was a mix between semitic pheoinicians and neolithic pelasians.

Armenoid and East med are the major phenotypes and ofc some Pontids.

I would pick Ancient anatolians.

Phoenicians weren't present on the Island before the Mycenaean Greeks arrived on the Island in the 18th century BCE. I'm guessing that these ancient Greek migrants mixed and assimilated the natives on the island that lived there for many thousands of years. Phoenicians and the rest came afterwards.

[Mens-Sarda]

Before the Hellenistic age and also before the Phoenician presence, the inhabitants of Cyprus spoke a non-IE language that the academics named Eteocypriot, from Greek "true Cyprian". They were probably related to Minoans.

So far the language is undeciphered except few bilingual Greek-Eteocypriot inscriptions, the language however doesn't look like other know ancient languages, maybe it was related to Minoan language, since the archaeologists established that the Eteocypriot sillabary script derives from the Minoan Linear A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eteocypriot_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary

[Gangrel]

Levantine.

[Hylates]

Phoenicians in Cyprus showed right after the Myceneans . Cyprus was consisted of Pelasgians _ which was imo Anatolia people .

[Livin]

Before the Hellenistic age and also before the Phoenician presence, the inhabitants of Cyprus spoke a non-IE language that the academics named Eteocypriot, from Greek "true Cyprian". They were probably related to Minoans.

So far the language is undeciphered except few bilingual Greek-Eteocypriot inscriptions, the language however doesn't look like other know ancient languages, maybe it was related to Minoan language, since the archaeologists established that the Eteocypriot sillabary script derives from the Minoan Linear A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eteocypriot_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary

Ye they are the neolithic populations who exposed from anatolia...!!!

[Livin]

Phoenicians in Cyprus showed right after the Myceneans . Cyprus was consisted of Pelasgians _ which was imo Anatolia people .

I dont remember tbh but i had read that before hellenization Cyprus was a mix between Pelasgians and Phoenicians...!!!

If i found the source ι will post it...!!!

[Astarte]

Levantine

[Profileid]

Phoenicians in Cyprus showed right after the Myceneans . Cyprus was consisted of Pelasgians _ which was imo Anatolia people .

Pelasgians is such a mythical term. No reason to use it seriously.

[Livin]

Pelasgians is such a mythical term. No reason to use it seriously.

And how we should call the pre-greek populations?

[Mens-Sarda]

Pelasgians is such a mythical term. No reason to use it seriously.

They were named like that since ancient times, Pelasgoi or Pelastoi; since the archaic Greek script didn't use to write vowels, they were transliterated as PLSG or PLST, this last one matches with the ancient Egyptian PLST -> PELESET (ancient Egyptians didn't wrote vowels), one of the infamous Sea Peoples also mentioned in the Bible as Philistines, arch-enemies of ancient Jews, and ironically they gave their name to actual Palestinians.

[Hylates]

Yes. And Assyrians to an extent.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/sargon/essentials/countries/cyprus/
I don't really think anyone can deny a Levantine/Phoenician genetic influence. The question is how much and how it relates to modern day peoples.

Phoenician influence on the island is clear_no one denies it . Phoenicians colonized the East of the island and expanded with the help of the Persians in the very later years . Assyrians were rulers just like many_many others . Also the Assyrian Script says that Cypriots were somehow opposing Phoenicians and were rebelling against them. So , if we exclude the Mycenaean/Achaeans which came from Peloponnese and the Phoenicians which came from Sidon/Tyre as colonizers ,we end up having a Neolithic population(first Cypriots) called EteoCypriots which would have most possibly be something Anatolia related . Also Cyprus had Syrian/Lebanese migrants at a point . Late medieval times if not wrong . That can also be a factor of Levant influention ?!

[QUICAS]

Anatolian Greek I think

[kleenex]

That is definitely a factor I think. Also direct Levantine influence in Cyprus plays another role, as well as from Greece
When you say Anatolian influence are you talking pre-Turkic like ancient Anatolian which would make sense in the case of Dodacanese Islanders who seem to have a strong (somewhat isolated) Neolithic/Anatolian/Caucasus connection. Cypriots are pulled slighter closer to the Levant because of Phonecians I would guess.

[Profileid]

Phoenician influence on the island is clear_no one denies it . Phoenicians colonized the East of the island and expanded with the help of the Persians in the very later years . Assyrians were rulers just like many_many others . Also the Assyrian Script says that Cypriots were somehow opposing Phoenicians and were rebelling against them. So , if we exclude the Mycenaean/Achaeans which came from Peloponnese and the Phoenicians which came from Sidon/Tyre as colonizers ,we end up having a Neolithic population(first Cypriots) called EteoCypriots which would have most possibly be something Anatolia related . Also Cyprus had Syrian/Lebanese migrants at a point . Late medieval times if not wrong . That can also be a factor of Levant influention ?!

Sounds about right. Most of the Syrian arrivals to Cyprus eventually assimilated. There's probably a lot of Cypriots with recent ancestors today.

[cyberlorian]

From what I have seen here, the idea of Cypriots being primarily of Levantine descent is starting to falter.

If one looks at the gedmatch results and plot maps on TA, Cypriots appear to have a closer affinity to Cappadocian 'Greeks' and central Anatolians than the Lebanese.

This would explain why are on certain calculators the first 'Greek' populations Cypriots match with are from Western Turkey or the Dodecanese, since these populations clearly have a strong Anatolian affinity since antiquity.

Is it time to drop this 'Levantine' classification for an Anatolian one?

Discuss

Anatolian. Most Cyriots have Anatolid (Iranid + Armenoid) faces.

[Smeagol]

Cypriots are probably the closest people to ancient Anatolians.

[Lavrentis]

It should also be noted that the northern Levant experienced an Anatolian migration (not related to the Neolithic migration if I remember correctly). I remember reading about that somewhere. So it’s not just Cypriots who are Anatolian influenced in that region


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[Livin]

Anatolian. Most Cyriots have Anatolid (Iranid + Armenoid) faces.

No way Iranid.

Not even Pontic Greeks don’t have Iranid.

Main phenotypes are east med,armenoid,Pontid,Assyrid and some asiatic alpine.

[catgeorge]

Firstly Gedmatch is a sick joke not to be taklen seriously and secondly all professional PCA's plot on opposite end of spectrums to Gedmatch nonsense

http://i.imgur.com/Bl1wsmI.png

http://i.imgur.com/GBFsOLB.jpg

[Livin]

Cypriots are probably the closest people to ancient Anatolians.
After Pontic Greeks.

[Smeagol]

After Pontic Greeks.

Yes, true.

[cyberlorian]

No way Iranid.

Not even Pontic Greeks don’t have Iranid.

Main phenotypes are east med,armenoid,Pontid,Assyrid and some asiatic alpine.

East Med = Iranid + Mediterranid

[Livin]

East Med = Iranid + Mediterranid

Where exactly did you see that?

[Livin]

East Med = Iranid + Mediterranid

East med is meditteranean proper without the cromanoid characteristics.

Big almond eyes,fuller lips,more leptoprosopic.greater dochilocephalic,ectomorph and medium height.

[cyberlorian]

East med is meditteranean proper without the cromanoid characteristics.

Big almond eyes,fuller lips,more leptoprosopic.greater dochilocephalic,ectomorph and medium height.

I thought Gracile Mediterranid is Mediterranid proper.

[Sikeliot]

I've started saying Cypriots are more or less halfway between Sicily and Levant. If this makes them nearer to Anatolia then it might be the case.

[MEDACHE]

East Med = Iranid + Mediterranid

you are a retard

II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.
a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.

1. The Pontid.
2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa and South Iberia): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q.

[Livin]

you are a retard

II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.
a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.

1. The Pontid.
2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa and South Iberia): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q.


And what phenotype is Kadir Dogulu?

I think he is pure east med.

[cyberlorian]

And what phenotype is Kadir Dogulu?

I think he is pure east med.

Kadir Doğulu is Iranid + Mediterranid.

[cyberlorian]

And what phenotype is Kadir Dogulu?

I think he is pure east med.

His face resembles mine but I am more Alpinid than he is.

[Carpatz]

Is there even enough data to make a conclusive statement either way? Cyprus is about as far away from the Levant as it is Anatolia and the island has a Semitic history.

Shut up mena lover

[Sikeliot]

you are a retard

II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.
a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.

1. The Pontid.
2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa and South Iberia): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q.


Just the fact that this is discussing blood types in relation with phenotypes should tell you how outdated it is.

[MEDACHE]

Just the fact that this is discussing blood types in relation with phenotypes should tell you how outdated it is.

and anything relating to human phenotypes isn't outdated pseudoscience, superseded by modern science?