Polish Phenotypes: North to South

[Peterski]

I randomly searched "studniówka + city" / "bal maturalny + city" YT videos from various towns and cities:

Rumia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qXyGO91uj0

https://i.imgur.com/4OjyXCu.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qXyGO91uj0

Kartuzy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVo6hoqN4Fc

https://i.imgur.com/pYtcdmx.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVo6hoqN4Fc

Chojnice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wra9sRMrbU

https://i.imgur.com/GY53cCA.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wra9sRMrbU

Toruń: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urzuvFzat0w

https://i.imgur.com/5L7rPz7.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urzuvFzat0w

Poznań (1): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcAWLcTkg-s

https://i.imgur.com/AR8ucJJ.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcAWLcTkg-s

Poznań (2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bajtGXk7eQE

https://i.imgur.com/AR8ucJJ.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bajtGXk7eQE

Sieradz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdJOrVcEmts

https://i.imgur.com/WBcL7YJ.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdJOrVcEmts

Chorzów: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc82DQp5Hgk

https://i.imgur.com/mfVuJIC.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc82DQp5Hgk

Rybnik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbVPLjjQm8

http://bip.um.rybnik.eu/Images/Rybnik.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbVPLjjQm8

Kraków: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3_5bkt2Z0

http://www.billgladstone.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/krakowmap.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3_5bkt2Z0

There are max 10 videos per post, so the last two videos will be posted below.

[Peterski]

Nowy Targ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH5CS4zmQwQ

https://i.imgur.com/s99G0TV.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH5CS4zmQwQ

Zakopane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXMXsdpsPo

https://i.imgur.com/n02jg1b.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXMXsdpsPo

These are high school students of course:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studniówka

[kleenex]

Out of curiosity where would you place this man. He was a very good family friend and fairly famous American baseball player.
https://mojobeardy.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/22-carl-yastrzemski1.jpg

[Peterski]

Out of curiosity where would you place this man. He was a very good family friend and fairly famous American baseball player.
https://mojobeardy.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/22-carl-yastrzemski1.jpg

Southern Poland. Galicia or Upper Silesia. Probably South-Eastern (Subcarpathia, part of Galicia) is most likely.

BTW, later I will post another thread "Polish Phenotypes: West to East".

[Aren]

Great vids. I hope their necks didn't hurt too much due to all that nodding lol.
The women don't look that much different than Swedes, but the men look more distinct and closer to neighbouring countries.

[Peterski]

^^^
Remember that women in all of Europe use makeup and often dye their hair, which makes them look more similar to each other.

[zhaoyun]

Dont really see much of a phenotypic difference between the regions.

[Peterski]

Dont really see much of a phenotypic difference between the regions.

Based on statistical data there actually are some differences.

Over 50% of NW Poles have blue eyes (even more in the North-East) while in the South 35-47% (even less in the South-East).

And a very similar pattern exists when it comes to light hair.

[aherne]

First of all one notices high sexual dimorphism. Women belong to different phenotypes than men... Were they selected to look different?

Women: Alpine, Baltid
Men: Dinaric, Pontid, Aryan

Those from Poznan look influenced by Germans. As a consequence, many faces could easily be Scandinavian or English...

Overall, the majority look is HIGHLY un-Slavic (just like in Romanians). It is obvious that Slavs were not native to Poland, but came there in much greater number than in Balkans due to closer proximity of their homeland and lack of natural barriers.

[Odin]

South has more Balkan phenotypes than North.

[Peterski]

South has more Balkan phenotypes than North.

I agree.

[Dandelion]

Here is an interesting phenotype


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6oXPTDPYDU

I have known a Flemish woman just like her, though.

[Dandelion]

Here are Flemish people of Polish descent, no idea where in Poland. Descendants of Poles who stuck around after WWII.

Deborah Ostrega

https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/dE4RkBDVJ5XXvx0_7SRmKwugogA/diocontent/103361992/_crop/6/11/847/822/_fitwidth/763?appId=2dc96dd3f167e919913d808324cbfeb2&quality=0.8


Betty Owczarek

http://www.zangtalent.be/uploads/Mediawatchers/photobook/n/1042/foto-004.jpg



On a Flemish forum also used to be such a person with a Polish grandfather who married a Flemish woman whom he met during WWII or right after. Sadly, that forum is offline and I have no contact.

[Sikeliot]

South has more Balkan types, north has more German and Scandinavian types. They look highly distinct from Eastern Slavs to me but most have their own distinct look shared with Czechs, Slovaks, eastern Germans, and Hungarians.

A few of the people from the south could pass as far as Greece.

[michal3141]

I agree with Sikeliot + it would be cool to see similar threads for other countries

[Ülev]

but on recovered territories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories) lives people from Vlinius, Minsk and Lviv area, so very west Poland is much more east than people from Lublin for example

[michal3141]

Peterski, I guess you can have a good try with Szczecin vs Suwałki or Gorzków Wielkopolski vs Biała Podlaska if you want to go West-East.

[Peterski]

but on recovered territories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories) lives people from Vlinius, Minsk and Lviv area

Not only. In fact, as maps in the link show, they were often settled by people from neighbouring areas of Poland:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?244898-Polish-phenotypes-North-West-vs-Nort-East&p=5153395&viewfull=1#post5153395

BTW, is there any data showing the breakdown of settlers from the USSR into Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, etc.?

I wonder if Poles from Lithuania/Belarus were resettled to Northern Poland and Poles from Ukraine to Southern.

[Ülev]

Not only. In fact, as maps in the link show, they were often settled by people from neighbouring areas of Poland:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?244898-Polish-phenotypes-North-West-vs-Nort-East&p=5153395&viewfull=1#post5153395

BTW, is there any data showing the breakdown of settlers from the USSR into Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, etc.?

I wonder if Poles from Lithuania/Belarus were resettled to Northern Poland and Poles from Ukraine to Southern.

it was like that, people were resettled latitudinally, but, most of them went to Lubuskie and Dolny Śląsk, or there was much more Poles from "Ukraine" and "Belarus" than "Lithuanians", or "Lithuanians" stayed in Vilnius

map with percentage of resettled people into Poland (to the so called recovered territories) here ---> https://pl.delfi.lt/aktualia/polska/kresowe-korzenie-polakow.d?id=61865863

[Peterski]

Lubuskie actually has many people from Poznańskie (but also many people from Belarus).

I think that +/- ca. 50% of all people in Lubuskie are from Kresy (mostly from Belarus).


map with percentage of resettled people into Poland (to the so called recovered territories) here ---> https://pl.delfi.lt/aktualia/polska/kresowe-korzenie-polakow.d?id=61865863

Check this thread: http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=153392

According to 1950 census, Lubuskie had 44% Kresowiaks (245,547 out of 560,613). And in 2012 survey, CBOS estimated that 51% in Lubuskie are Kresowiaks, but this includes people of just partially Kresowiak ancestry (for example one parent from Kresy, the other parent not).

There are also many (20-40% in some counties) people from Poznańskie there:

https://i.imgur.com/KTnaNHi.png

[Peterski]

Videos from Rumia and Kartuzy should be showing mostly Kashubians:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Kashubians_2005.png

[Nurzat]

^^^
Remember that women in all of Europe use makeup and often dye their hair, which makes them look more similar to each other.

but also women are lighter in most Eastern and Central European countries than men. naturally blond women for example are not uncommon in Romania but blond men are not common at all, they are rare. it's something of gender/sexual dimorphism. while in the Mediterranean countries the women are just the same as men in complexion average

[Catarinense1998]

South cities have more dinaric and Alpine influence.I noted some mongoloid influences in some persons too - mainly in northen cities.Baltid imput in everywhere.

[Peterski]

Snowid, they are a band from Kraków/Cracow (Southern Poland):

http://krakowskascenamuzyczna.pl/zespoly/snowid/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vmbXnnOWdc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVExfdZcVAc

[Myanthropologies]

Based on statistical data there actually are some differences.

Over 50% of NW Poles have blue eyes (even more in the North-East) while in the South 35-47% (even less in the South-East).

And a very similar pattern exists when it comes to light hair.

Funny, cause my dad often talks about how Polish people are a blonde haired and blue eyed people.

[Peterski]

Funny, cause my dad often talks about how Polish people are a blonde haired and blue eyed people.

Yeah, I guess just like everyone imagines Scots and Irish as red-haired.

While in reality, even there red-haired people are much less than 50%.

[Peterski]

Bump.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Polish population suffered many translocations through the centuries, e.g. many current silesians came from close to black sea in Ukraine, I think we cannot judge them by geography.

[Peterski]

Polish population suffered many translocations through the centuries, e.g. many current silesians came from close to black sea in Ukraine, I think we cannot judge them by geography.

I selected only cities with stable population history.

Poles from Ukraine moved to Lower Silesia not Upper:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?256298-Eastern-(Kresy)-Poles-in-modern-Poland

https://i.imgur.com/nijxyZJ.png

[Sacrificed Ram]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009-small.gif

[Peterski]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009-small.gif

Political borders =/= ethnic borders. Here ethnic maps for early 1900s:

https://i.imgur.com/a7qgDQv.png

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/belso.php?nev=9

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/kepek/netre/09.gif

[Sacrificed Ram]

Political borders =/= ethnic borders. Here ethnic maps for early 1900s:

https://i.imgur.com/a7qgDQv.png

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/belso.php?nev=9

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/kepek/netre/09.gif

Then, you see many poles out of current polish borders, where are them now? They also obtained many lands from germans, who did settle there?

[Peterski]

Then, you see many poles out of current polish borders, where are them now?

Most of them live in Poland now (and they are, according to 2012 estimate, about 15% of the country's total population, this includes also people with partial ancestry from those lands - 3/4, 1/2 or 1/4). But many of them, hundreds of thousands, are still there. Check for example my thread about Polish minority in Latvia:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?267735-The-Forgotten-Minority-Latvia-s-Poles

Lithuania and Belarus still have very large Polish minorities, even though over 50% of Poles in those areas were deported after WW2.

In Ukraine there are not many Poles left according to official Ukrainian data, but unofficial Polish estimates claim that there are still many Poles there. Probably the truth is somewhere in-between. But there are no any regions in Ukraine where Poles are the majority of local population - on the other hand such regions still exist in Lithuania and Belarus.


They also obtained many lands from germans, who did settle there?

You can find four main groups there (but they are not evenly distributed, there are different percentages of each group depending on area) - 1. local autochthons who had German citizenship before 1939 and were given Polish citizenship after 1945 (mainly in Upper Silesia), 2. Eastern Poles deported there after WW2 from former Polish lands in the east, 3. Poles who came there from various regions (except former Eastern Poland), such as "Central Poland", 4. re-emigrants from Polish Diaspora (for example Poles who returned from France, Polish-Americans who returned after WW2, etc.).

And of course there are many people with mixed ancestry from more than one of those 4 groups.

[Norb]

bump

[Peterski]

Bump. We need such data for other countries.

[Daco Celtic]

The range of looks for Polish people is underrated. I've seen everything from Balkan looking to Swedish looking in Polish Americans.

[Peterski]

The range of looks for Polish people is underrated. I've seen everything from Balkan looking to Swedish looking in Polish Americans.

And in these videos?

[Daco Celtic]

And in these videos?

The range from Rumia to Nowy Targ looks pretty much like what I would expect for Poland, at least based on the videos.

[RenaRyuguu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqGWzonqviM&ab_channel=ifyoudontlaughyourn

How did you guys make a bomb cannon out of a trash can goals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmFZ7lsUmw&ab_channel=AakritiChauhan

FLOWER CANNON

[Cristiano viejo]

I found this in a Spanish forum, supposedly from a Russian or semi Russian user who was discussing with a supposed Polish or semi Polish user, made me laugh a bit :laugh2:

https://i.imgur.com/v0DSGhZ.jpg

[Zohor]

I found this in a Spanish forum, supposedly from a Russian or semi Russian user who was discussing with a supposed Polish or semi Polish user, made me laugh a bit :laugh2:

*pic I have seen thousand times*

It's good to laugh out of people who have same political views as you indeed, so many far-right pure Sarmatians here

[Cristiano viejo]

It's good to laugh out of people who have same political views as you indeed, so many far-right pure Sarmatians here

Like me? let me doubt it...

[Zohor]

Like me? let me doubt it...

So you don't like any outiders and build your own identity on coming from a particular place? Interesting

[Cristiano viejo]

So you don't like any outiders and build your own identity on coming from a particular place? Interesting

They are not Spanish supremacists, how could they have the same political interests than me? :D

[Zohor]

They are not Spanish supremacists, how could they have the same political interests than me? :D

They build their identity only on place they come from, same as you, in such case it doesn't matter where do they come from when they literally care for only for the place they come from, same as you, you come from Spain you care only about Spain you don't give a fuck for Portugal of Andorra, Poles from picture probably care only for Poland they don't give a rat ass for Lithuania or Ukraine, same shit in the end of the day

[Russki]

they don't give a rat ass for Lithuania or Ukraine


https://sun9-18.userapi.com/impf/0wHAJoMg_32hfoNV6rJeiOTv-or01GVfMEZLoQ/rvKJSrSVImg.jpg?size=1144x660&quality=95&sign=b13df6ccb3190607d7c4f877e51793cf&type=album

[Zohor]

https://sun9-18.userapi.com/impf/0wHAJoMg_32hfoNV6rJeiOTv-or01GVfMEZLoQ/rvKJSrSVImg.jpg?size=1144x660&quality=95&sign=b13df6ccb3190607d7c4f877e51793cf&type=album

Very ignorant meme you have stolen xD
Being pro-Ukraine and anti-Banderite doesn't contradict and is possible, but keep living in your information bubble, sheep, go eat grass or something

[Russki]

Very ignorant meme you have stolen


Meme is this:



https://i.imgur.com/v0DSGhZ.jpg







What I posted is pretty much nailing it as it is :bored:

[Zohor]

What I posted is pretty much nailing it as it is :bored:

*turn on Nomadian mode*

Have you been to Poland that you know how the reality looks like? You didn't move your ass out of Russia in years if even once so you can't tell

*turn off Nomadian mode*

Come back to the rest of herd, I saw the sheperd Putin going further from you

[Cristiano viejo]

They build their identity only on place they come from, same as you, in such case it doesn't matter where do they come from when they literally care for only for the place they come from, same as you, you come from Spain you care only about Spain you don't give a fuck for Portugal of Andorra, Poles from picture probably care only for Poland they don't give a rat ass for Lithuania or Ukraine, same shit in the end of the day

I respect that :thumb001:

[Nomadian90']

It's good to laugh out of people who have same political views as you indeed, so many far-right pure Sarmatians here

What "right"? The far-right wing in Poland is limited only to pseudo-patriotism, which can be summarized as hatred of Russia on orders from Washington (like peoples from de photos.)
The right wing died together with Roman Dmowski before the war.
There is even no Catholic right. PiS bought priests' votes in exchange for financial privileges.
Even the economic - liberalism Konfederacja party often votes in parliament, just like the socialist PiS.
We don't have a right party.



Very ignorant meme you have stolen xD
Being pro-Ukraine and anti-Banderite doesn't contradict and is possible, but keep living in your information bubble, sheep, go eat grass or something

Russki say true.
The polish nation, politicians, many religious organizations and clergy, pseudo-patriotic, national authorities, local government, journalists and media, and entrepreneurs are possessed by Ukrainian flagism. It has become a norm to deny the genocide in Volhynia, in Eastern Lesser Poland, the Lublin region and in the Bieszczady Mountains. Poles deny that there are neonazi marches in Ukraine, that nazism is taught in schools, that there are monuments to Nazis and murderers in Ukraine, to whom the Ukrainian authorities lay flowers and pay tribute. Even recordings are not able to wake Poles. This is the effect of foreign agnetury in Poland and brainwashing for 33 years. As one of the Polish ministers said: "Poland exists only theoretically." Even the president of Poland lied that there was no nazism in Ukraine. It is enough to go to the Biedronka supermarket in Poland to easily meet Ukrainians with tattooed swastikas, daggers, cobwebs on their elbows and numbers 14 88. Poles do not understand this symbolism because we learn history in schools in ancient Rome and Greece as well as the warsaw uprising and partitions. Nothing more! The Pole is a slavic ape from the east and a Washington slave. A slave has only to know how to work, count and write. He doesn't need the rest. All she has to do is watch the lies on the tv. Thats is true.


From February 24, it has become the norm that Ukrainians in Poland make brawls in the cities at night, fights, and murder. Everything with impunity. On the sidewalk, you have to give way to them because they will push you with their elbow. Igor Isaev defaced our emblem and flag, and the Polish court acquitted him. They humiliate us every day as much as they can. But I understand them. They lost Crimea, Donbass and the south, but they have 16 prettier and richer regions with access to the Baltic Sea. It pays for them to prey on stupid Poles.



*turn on Nomadian mode*

Have you been to Poland that you know how the reality looks like? You didn't move your ass out of Russia in years if even once so you can't tell

*turn off Nomadian mode*

Come back to the rest of herd, I saw the sheperd Putin going further from you


And stop writing stupid things about me, you fool, because I live in Poland for 32 years and I know what's going on here!

Recently, Ukrainians caused an accident in my village - the police let them go!

Earlier, a young man from my area was murdered. He was on a business trip in Warsaw when he met two Ukrainians molesting a Polish woman. He went to protect her and was murdered by them with a knife. There were witnesses, but Justice Minister Ziobro was pleased with the case because he was defending the Ukrainians. So shut up!

[Cristiano viejo]

Recently, Ukrainians caused an accident in my village - the police let them go!

Earlier, a young man from my area was murdered. He was on a business trip in Warsaw when he met two Ukrainians molesting a Polish woman. He went to protect her and was murdered by them with a knife. There were witnesses, but Justice Minister Ziobro was pleased with the case because he was defending the Ukrainians. So shut up!
very sad :mad:

[aherne]

The Pole is a slavic ape from the east and a Washington slave. A slave has only to know how to work, count and write. He doesn't need the rest. All she has to do is watch the lies on the tv. Thats is true.

So true... Same for our "romanian" politicians: at some point they even marked street signs bilingual in N Romania to fellate banderists :puke: I think malorussians are a good temporary substitute for future "people of color" that will settle our countries (we don't have "enough babies" remember?). Primitive and violent, same as the other Russians they fight against... Wherever they live (be it Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) alcoholism, stagnation, violence and disregard for the rule of law (corruption being the effect) remain a constant. In 30+ years since the fall of communism they achieved nothing

[VirilLignac]

South has more Balkan types, north has more German and Scandinavian types. They look highly distinct from Eastern Slavs to me but most have their own distinct look shared with Czechs, Slovaks, eastern Germans, and Hungarians.

A few of the people from the south could pass as far as Greece.

North is more similar to Baltic States and Belarus.

[VirilLignac]

I selected only cities with stable population history.

Poles from Ukraine moved to Lower Silesia not Upper:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?256298-Eastern-(Kresy)-Poles-in-modern-Poland

https://i.imgur.com/nijxyZJ.png

And they have Belarusian/Ukrainian/Ruthenian admixture of course.