Guess where I'm from in Greece

[Romios]

MDLP k23:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.86
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.29
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 15.94
4 Near_East 12.98
5 South_Central_Asian 4.77
6 North_African 4.43
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.11
8 South_East_Asian 1.08
9 Arctic 0.65
10 Australoid 0.4
11 African_Pygmy 0.37
12 Archaic_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 4.07
2 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 5.44
3 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 5.95
4 Turk_Jew ( ) 6.02
5 Ashkenazi ( ) 6.4
6 Sicilian_East ( ) 6.48
7 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.51
8 Italian_Jew ( ) 6.63
9 French_Jew ( ) 6.76
10 Sicilian_West ( ) 6.97
11 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 7.07
12 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 7.23
13 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.34
14 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 7.4
15 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.84
16 Cretan ( ) 7.98
17 Macedonian ( ) 8
18 Bulgarian ( ) 8.31
19 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 8.34
20 Maltese ( ) 8.49


Dodecad V3:

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.53
2 West_Asian 23.42
3 West_European 18.97
4 Southwest_Asian 11.36
5 East_European 10.51
6 Northwest_African 0.92
7 Northeast_Asian 0.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.26
9 South_Asian 0.17
10 Palaeo_African 0.17
11 East_African 0.15
12 Neo_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.78
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.73
3 Greek (Dodecad) 12.09
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.23
5 Tuscan (Xing) 12.6
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.73
7 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.82
8 Tuscan (Henn) 13.4
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.51
10 TSI (HapMap) 13.76
11 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.5
12 S_Italian (Dodecad) 15.57
13 Romanians_14 (Behar) 15.75
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 15.86
15 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.69
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.28
17 Balkans (Dodecad) 20.9
18 N_Italian (Dodecad) 20.92
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.67
20 Cypriots (Behar) 22.04

[Voskos]

aegean islands or asia minor or dodecanese

[Romios]

In total, I am 25% Naxian with distant Cretan ancestry, 1/4 Skyros, and half Lakonian from the Eastern slopes of Taygetos. I made this to see whether I have a more islander or Peloponnesian affinity. Also, in response to the whole mainland greece "NE shifted" controversy, has it struck anyone that mainland Greece was more IE influenced from ancient times especially with tribes such as the Dorians while the Islands were sparsely influenced by these migrations?

[Romios]

Technically my village falls within the region "Eastern Mani" but Smynos is usually never considered Maniot. It is north of Gytheio

[Voskos]

your ydna is on your lakonian side, right? its a common one.

[nightrider+]

In total, I am 25% Naxian with distant Cretan ancestry, 1/4 Skyros, and half Lakonian from the Eastern slopes of Taygetos. I made this to see whether I have a more islander or Peloponnesian affinity. Also, in response to the whole mainland greece "NE shifted" controversy, has it struck anyone that mainland Greece was more IE influenced from ancient times especially with tribes such as the Dorians while the Islands were sparsely influenced by these migrations?

Taygetos shifts away from most Peloponnesians and towards Mani (and the islands I guess), that's why you don't have much mainland affinity.

https://i.imgur.com/ns1Vjhl.png

[Romios]

Interestingly, no, it comes directly from Crete like 5 generations back. It comes from near the village of Vrysses east of Chania. I was surprised to see it as most Cretans have J2.

[Voskos]

...

[Romios]

yep, western crete. I don't know enough about haplogroups but specifically familytreedna says its E-L117. Is EM215 not the same as EM35?

[Voskos]

crete is 10% E but it can reach up to 30% in the west iirc.

[Voskos]

yep, western crete. I don't know enough about haplogroups but specifically familyfinder says its E-L117. Is EM215 not the same as EM35?

EM 35 is a clade under E-M215 , I think you should test further down to the last clade.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Dude post your Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 results from Oracle and Oracle-4 pages

[Romios]

EU Test K15 V2:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.18
2 West_Med 14.77
3 West_Asian 14.25
4 Baltic 12.33
5 Atlantic 9.62
6 North_Sea 8.64
7 Eastern_Euro 6.53
8 Red_Sea 5.39


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi @ 7.200198
2 Central_Greek @ 7.756363
3 Greek @ 8.509597
4 East_Sicilian @ 9.000843
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.286018
6 South_Italian @ 10.655352
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 11.643844
8 West_Sicilian @ 13.131973
9 Italian_Jewish @ 14.149078
10 Sephardic_Jewish @ 14.591357
11 Algerian_Jewish @ 15.238315
12 Bulgarian @ 15.504237
13 Tuscan @ 16.966917
14 Tunisian_Jewish @ 17.931889
15 Romanian @ 18.403690
16 Cyprian @ 18.435247
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 18.869040
18 Turkish @ 20.971365
19 Lebanese_Muslim @ 21.263151
20 Syrian @ 21.778734

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Romanian @ 3.853137


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% Lithuanian +25% South_Italian @ 2.283408


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 Cyprian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + South_Italian @ 2.283408
2 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.366662
3 Cyprian + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian @ 2.453430
4 Cyprian + Greek + Samaritan + Ukrainian @ 2.509156
5 Cyprian + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.523692
6 Cyprian + Greek + Samaritan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.535525
7 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Cyprian + Lithuanian @ 2.571634
8 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Cyprian + Ukrainian @ 2.572557
9 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek + Ukrainian @ 2.594119
10 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Cyprian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.702133
11 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.716227
12 Cyprian + Cyprian + East_Sicilian + Lithuanian @ 2.727316
13 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 2.748017
14 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Moldavian + Samaritan @ 2.772660
15 Cyprian + Greek + Samaritan + South_Polish @ 2.790388
16 Belorussian + Cyprian + Cyprian + South_Italian @ 2.810903
17 Cyprian + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + South_Polish @ 2.815173
18 Cyprian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 2.848014
19 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian @ 2.864331
20 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Cyprian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.869868

[Coolguy1]

Nice, I’m also from Lakonia but further north, close to Mystras.

[Romios]

out of simplicity I only included one of my moms villages, her father is actually from amykles/sklavohori which is right next to mystras.

[Romios]

it means slave village in greek haha, not slavic.

[Romios]

and thank you friend, I decided I might as well make an account as I had been on so much in the past month

[Kelmendasi]

Use this tool to predict your Ydna subclade https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[Ajeje Brazorf]

EU Test K15 V2

You have only posted Oracle-4, always of Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 copy and paste what is on the "Oracle" button. I'm going to do a PCA :)

[Romios]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.18
2 West_Med 14.77
3 West_Asian 14.25
4 Baltic 12.33
5 Atlantic 9.62
6 North_Sea 8.64
7 Eastern_Euro 6.53
8 Red_Sea 5.39
9 Oceanian 0.22
10 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 6.47
2 Central_Greek 6.75
3 Greek 7.36
4 East_Sicilian 7.9
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.95
6 South_Italian 9.26
7 Italian_Abruzzo 10.03
8 West_Sicilian 11.4
9 Italian_Jewish 12.4
10 Sephardic_Jewish 12.76
11 Bulgarian 13.23
12 Algerian_Jewish 13.4
13 Tuscan 14.57
14 Romanian 15.67
15 Cyprian 15.81
16 Tunisian_Jewish 15.82
17 Libyan_Jewish 16.84
18 Turkish 18.32
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.46
20 Syrian 19.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.1% Cyprian + 32.9% Ukrainian @ 2.09
2 66.4% Cyprian + 33.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.12
3 67.1% Cyprian + 32.9% South_Polish @ 2.39
4 62.2% Cyprian + 37.8% Croatian @ 2.49
5 59.9% Cyprian + 40.1% Moldavian @ 2.53
6 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.67
7 68.8% Cyprian + 31.2% Polish @ 2.71
8 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Samaritan @ 2.83
9 71.5% Cyprian + 28.5% Lithuanian @ 2.99
10 69.9% Cyprian + 30.1% Belorussian @ 3.05
11 54.7% Bulgarian + 45.3% Cyprian @ 3.09
12 70% Cyprian + 30% Estonian_Polish @ 3.11
13 68.6% Cyprian + 31.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.11
14 71.5% Cyprian + 28.5% Estonian @ 3.19
15 50.2% Romanian + 49.8% Cyprian @ 3.36
16 68.8% Cyprian + 31.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.41
17 68.3% Cyprian + 31.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.46
18 62.9% Cyprian + 37.1% Hungarian @ 3.46
19 64.9% Bulgarian + 35.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.73
20 59.9% Romanian + 40.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.74

[kleenex]

You’re admixture is similar to many Cretan samples I’ve seen.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I added Sorcelow and some precious ancient samples to your PCA.

https://i.imgur.com/8bXYoQC.png

[Coolguy1]

I added Sorcelow and some precious ancient samples to your PCA.

https://i.imgur.com/8bXYoQC.png

Could you provide the 500 ad Greek kit?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Could you provide the 500 ad Greek kit?

GE1764760
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239039-STR_300-woman

[Romios]

very interesting. So compared to the ancients, I am more Middle Eastern and Eastern European shifted it seems. And I have seen many Cretans and Chians people who score near me, as well as Maniots.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

So compared to the ancients, I am more Middle Eastern and Eastern European shifted it seems.

Compared to the Mycenaeans in the PCA you are shifted towards somewhere between southern Russia and North Caucasus.

[kleenex]

I added Sorcelow and some precious ancient samples to your PCA.

https://i.imgur.com/8bXYoQC.png

Could you add my k15 result. I’m 100 % Pelooponnesian Greek.

[Sikeliot]

You're close to people in southeast Sicily-- Syracuse and Ragusa. A bit less Middle Eastern than a typical Cretan or Sicilian but more so than full mainland Greeks.

Maniots are close to Cyclades so your Naxos side is likely close to your Maniot.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Could you add my k15 result. I’m 100 % Pelooponnesian Greek.

This afternoon I will add you and other Greek users.

[Sikeliot]

This afternoon I will add you and other Greek users.

Who is Greek 530 AD? Could you send me their gedmatch ID?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Who is Greek 530 AD? Could you send me their gedmatch ID?

Sure:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239039-STR_300-woman

[Sikeliot]

Sure:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239039-STR_300-woman

That result is similar to south Italian but more West Med and Steppe, less SW Asian/Arabian/North African.

Could that result be similar to the Greek settlers in the region? Or pre-Slavic Greeks?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Could you add my k15 result. I’m 100 % Pelooponnesian Greek.

You seem Albanian shifted

https://i.imgur.com/l6tgZxD.png

[Ajeje Brazorf]

very interesting. So compared to the ancients, I am more Middle Eastern and Eastern European shifted it seems. And I have seen many Cretans and Chians people who score near me, as well as Maniots.

Post your Eurogenes K36, it would be interesting.

Arcadian Peloponnesian:
Italian 18.65
East_Med 14.34
Iberian 11.48
Near_Eastern 9.93
West_Med 8.35
Central_Euro 8.11
East_Balkan 7.45
East_Central_Euro 6.20
West_Caucasian 4.62
Armenian 4.57
North_Sea 2.21
North_Caucasian 1.81
Basque 1.19
Eastern_Euro 0.66
North_Atlantic 0.35
Fennoscandian 0.07

I9041 (Mycenaean)
Italian 41.19
East-Med 16.49
Iberian 14.81
West-Med 9.76
Armenian 7.86
East-Balkan 5.29
Near-Eastern 4.31
French 0.29

I9006 (Mycenaean)
Italian 36.39
East-Med 15.98
West-Med 14.33
Iberian 7.73
Armenian 7.09
East-Balkan 6.86
Near-Eastern 6.08
West-Caucasian 5.53

I9033 (Mycenaean)
Italian 30.98
East-Med 23.58
West-Med 18.34
Iberian 9.75
East-Balkan 6.17
East-Central-Euro 4.76
Basque 4.51
North-Atlantic 1.8
West-Caucasian 0.11

[Lavrentis]

You seem Albanian shifted

https://i.imgur.com/l6tgZxD.png

Would you mind adding these 2 Peloponnesians from Kalamata and a Cretan when you have time? :)

Kalamata 1:

1 East_Med 20.84
2 West_Med 20.22
3 West_Asian 15.37
4 North_Sea 12.67
5 Atlantic 12.2
6 Baltic 9.56
7 Eastern_Euro 4.62
8 Red_Sea 3.02
9 Oceanian 0.94
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.07

Kalamata 2:

1 East_Med 24.17
2 West_Med 17.83
3 North_Sea 13.14
4 West_Asian 11.72
5 Atlantic 11.14
6 Baltic 10.79
7 Eastern_Euro 5.22
8 Red_Sea 5
9 Siberian 0.58
10 Southeast_Asian 0.43

Cretan:

1 East_Med 29.82
2 West_Med 16.12
3 West_Asian 13.69
4 Atlantic 9.82
5 North_Sea 9.82
6 Baltic 9.51
7 Eastern_Euro 4.95
8 Red_Sea 4.3
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Southeast_Asian 0.64
11 Northeast_African 0.55
12 Siberian 0.04

[Sikeliot]

Would you mind adding these 2 Peloponnesians from Kalamata and a Cretan when you have time? :)

Kalamata 1:

1 East_Med 20.84
2 West_Med 20.22
3 West_Asian 15.37
4 North_Sea 12.67
5 Atlantic 12.2
6 Baltic 9.56
7 Eastern_Euro 4.62
8 Red_Sea 3.02
9 Oceanian 0.94
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.07

Kalamata 2:

1 East_Med 24.17
2 West_Med 17.83
3 North_Sea 13.14
4 West_Asian 11.72
5 Atlantic 11.14
6 Baltic 10.79
7 Eastern_Euro 5.22
8 Red_Sea 5
9 Siberian 0.58
10 Southeast_Asian 0.43

Cretan:

1 East_Med 29.82
2 West_Med 16.12
3 West_Asian 13.69
4 Atlantic 9.82
5 North_Sea 9.82
6 Baltic 9.51
7 Eastern_Euro 4.95
8 Red_Sea 4.3
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Southeast_Asian 0.64
11 Northeast_African 0.55
12 Siberian 0.04


The Cretan reminds me of Palermitans only with more Baltic and less Atlantic.

First Kalamata result has high West Med.

[Lavrentis]

The Cretan reminds me of Palermitans only with more Baltic and less Atlantic.

First Kalamata result has high West Med.

Yes, I guess Cretans are very similar to Palermitans but also to eastern Sicilians. How much Atlantic and Baltic does an average Palermitan score?

[Sikeliot]

Yes, I guess Cretans are very similar to Palermitans but also to eastern Sicilians. How much Atlantic and Baltic does an average Palermitan score?

Baltic below 5%, I have seen some score almost none. Atlantic closer to 15%.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Would you mind adding these 2 Peloponnesians from Kalamata and a Cretan when you have time? :)

It's not very professional as a PCA but I hope you'll like it

https://i.imgur.com/Flpk0Vl.png

[Lavrentis]

It's not very professional as a PCA but I hope you'll like it

https://i.imgur.com/Flpk0Vl.png

Thanks a lot man! Nice job

[Sikeliot]

It's not very professional as a PCA but I hope you'll like it

https://i.imgur.com/Flpk0Vl.png


Can you add my cousin? Palermitan

http://i63.tinypic.com/2hyz0cw.png

[Lavrentis]

Btw, can anyone give me the GEDmatch kits of the tested Myceaneans? I mean the Galatas samples

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Could that result be similar to the Greek settlers in the region? Or pre-Slavic Greeks?

The funny thing is that STR_300 is almost identical to Salamis31 (I9006), the only difference is that she has more Baltic which shifts her towards modern Greeks.

I9006
1 West_Med 31.52
2 East_Med 29.71
3 West_Asian 17.19
4 Atlantic 12.83
5 North_Sea 7.50
6 Red_Sea 1.26

STR_300
1 East_Med 31.03
2 West_Med 24.04
3 Atlantic 16.95
4 West_Asian 14.97
5 Baltic 6.28
6 North_Sea 5.21
7 Red_Sea 1.52

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Btw, can anyone give me the GEDmatch kits of the tested Myceaneans? I mean the Galatas samples

They... they were... they were deleted.

https://s1.r29static.com//bin/entry/605/0,0,460,552/720x864,80/1368215/image.jpg

[Sikeliot]

The funny thing is that STR_300 is almost identical to Salamis31 (I9006), the only difference is that she has more Baltic which shifts her towards modern Greeks.

I9006
1 West_Med 31.52
2 East_Med 29.71
3 West_Asian 17.19
4 Atlantic 12.83
5 North_Sea 7.50
6 Red_Sea 1.26

STR_300
1 East_Med 31.03
2 West_Med 24.04
3 Atlantic 16.95
4 West_Asian 14.97
5 Baltic 6.28
6 North_Sea 5.21
7 Red_Sea 1.52

And West Med got lower it looks like, but that result still is more West Med than modern south Italians and certainly more so than modern Greeks. East med looks to have also decreased in Greece since, and Baltic increased .

[Lavrentis]

They... they were... they were deleted.

https://s1.r29static.com//bin/entry/605/0,0,460,552/720x864,80/1368215/image.jpg

Shiiit really? That sucks. Why would they delete them?

[Lavrentis]

And West Med got lower it looks like, but that result still is more West Med than modern south Italians and certainly more so than modern Greeks. East med looks to have also decreased in Greece since, and Baltic increased .

It seems that all northern components increased in Greece, and East and West Med decreased

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Can you add my cousin? Palermitan

https://i.imgur.com/seRJUyc.png

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Shiiit really? That sucks. Why would they delete them?

A Polish user uploaded and deleted them, I don't know why. I just suffered.

[Sikeliot]

https://i.imgur.com/seRJUyc.png

"West Sicily" definitely doesn't seem to represent a lot of actual people in western Sicily. But I think we knew that. This cousin plots near that ancient Anatolian sample.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

It seems that all northern components increased in Greece, and East and West Med decreased

Peloponnesian vs Mycenaean
15.76% East-Med 20.09%
11.92% Paleo-Balkan 10.61%
10.58% East-Euro 0%
8.86% North-Caucasian 5.24%
7.27% West-Med 19.29%
6.85% North-Sea_Germanic 4.02%
5.47% Arabic 2.98%
5.38% Baltic 0%
5.35% SW-Euro 9.08%
5.05% Scando-Germanic 0.19%
4.82% Iranian 5.94%
4.44% South-Caucasian 13.87%
2.98% Celtic 5.42%
2.67% North-African 3.28%
1.86% West-Finnic 0%
0.74% Pamirian 0%

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Sicilian vs Peloponnesian
15.68% East-Med 15.76%
12.35% West-Med 7.27% (+5.08)
12.01% South-Caucasian 4.44% (+7.57)
10.40% SW-Euro 5.35% (+5.05)
7.07% Arabic 5.47%
6.55% Paleo-Balkan 11.92% (-5.37)
6.36% North-Sea_Germanic 6.85%
6.31% North-Caucasian 8.86% (-2.55)
6.13% Iranian 4.82%
4.65% North-African 2.67%
4.54% Scando-Germanic 5.05%
3.07% East-Euro 10.58% (-7.51)
2.74% Celtic 2.98%
0.76% South-African_HG 0%
0.64% East-African_HG 0%
0.38% Kushitic 0%
0% Baltic 5.38% (-5.38)
0% Pamirian 0.74%
0% West-Finnic 1.86%

[Ajeje Brazorf]

"West Sicily" definitely doesn't seem to represent a lot of actual people in western Sicily. But I think we knew that. This cousin plots near that ancient Anatolian sample.

Distance of South_Italian from Anatolia_BA samples

MA2200
11 South_Italian @ 18.838974

MA2206
6 South_Italian @ 17.125866

MA2208
6 South_Italian @ 14.400345

MA2212
6 South_Italian @ 17.303991

[kleenex]

Sure:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239039-STR_300-woman

Much thanks!