Ottoman (1400-1600 AD) GEDmatch result

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Anatolia_Ottoman
HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions

HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the HarappaWorld model, created by Zack. Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at harappa@zackvision.com or to his HarappaWorld blog.
We appreciate him making this excellent tool available here.

Kit Number: T541349 Elapsed Time: 6.06 seconds


Population
S-Indian -
Baloch 12.59
Caucasian 14.97
NE-Euro 19.36
SE-Asian -
Siberian 24.86
NE-Asian 21.28
Papuan -
American -
Beringian 2.50
Mediterranean 3.60
SW-Asian 0.46
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African 0.38









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85764 SNPs used in this evaluation

Oracle

GEDmatch.Com Oracle
This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

HarappaWorld Oracle results:
23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Kit T541349

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 24.86
2 NE-Asian 21.28
3 NE-Euro 19.36
4 Caucasian 14.97
5 Baloch 12.59
6 Mediterranean 3.6
7 Beringian 2.5
8 SW-Asian 0.46
9 W-African 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 uzbek (behar) 11.22
2 kazakh (harappa) 11.94
3 kyrgyz (xing) 15.6
4 hazara (hgdp) 15.86
5 uyghur (hgdp) 15.89
6 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 16.95
7 altaian (rasmussen) 20.72
8 nogai (yunusbayev) 25.83
9 mongolian (rasmussen) 26.83
10 turkmen (yunusbayev) 29.91
11 tajik (yunusbayev) 30.24
12 tuvinian (rasmussen) 31.44
13 buryat (xing) 34.34
14 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 34.5
15 chuvash (behar) 34.99
16 buryat (rasmussen) 35.27
17 yukaghir (rasmussen) 35.34
18 selkup (rasmussen) 36.81
19 stalskoe (xing) 38.2
20 pashtun (harappa) 39.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.3% kazakh (harappa) + 20.7% urkarah (xing) @ 4.78
2 77.7% kazakh (harappa) + 22.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 4.98
3 70.1% kazakh (harappa) + 29.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 5.14
4 80.3% kazakh (harappa) + 19.7% lezgin (behar) @ 5.28
5 80.5% kazakh (harappa) + 19.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 5.3
6 79.3% kazakh (harappa) + 20.7% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 5.78
7 55.9% altaian (rasmussen) + 44.1% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 5.84
8 81.9% kazakh (harappa) + 18.1% adygei (hgdp) @ 6
9 81.3% kazakh (harappa) + 18.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 6.1
10 65.6% altaian (rasmussen) + 34.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 6.22
11 67.9% altaian (rasmussen) + 32.1% urkarah (xing) @ 6.23
12 81.8% kazakh (harappa) + 18.2% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 6.29
13 80.5% kazakh (harappa) + 19.5% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 6.78
14 77.5% kazakh (harappa) + 22.5% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 6.78
15 74.9% kyrgyz (xing) + 25.1% urkarah (xing) @ 6.96
16 80.5% kazakh (harappa) + 19.5% romanian-a (behar) @ 6.97
17 80.4% kazakh (harappa) + 19.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 7.01
18 68.9% altaian (rasmussen) + 31.1% lezgin (behar) @ 7.02
19 73% kyrgyz (xing) + 27% stalskoe (xing) @ 7.07
20 69.3% altaian (rasmussen) + 30.7% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 7.1


Oracle-4

Kit Num: T541349
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
HarappaWorld 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 24.86
2 NE-Asian 21.28
3 NE-Euro 19.36
4 Caucasian 14.97
5 Baloch 12.59
6 Mediterranean 3.60
7 Beringian 2.50


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 uzbek_behar @ 12.037874
2 kazakh_harappa @ 12.956161
3 kyrgyz_xing @ 16.890112
4 uyghur_hgdp @ 16.937668
5 hazara_hgdp @ 17.201645
6 kyrgyz_hodoglugil @ 18.326792
7 altaian_rasmussen @ 22.212246
8 nogai_yunusbayev @ 28.197222
9 mongolian_rasmussen @ 28.888851
10 turkmen_yunusbayev @ 32.249432
11 tajik_yunusbayev @ 32.421860
12 tuvinian_rasmussen @ 33.451900
13 buryat_xing @ 36.723328
14 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 37.100029
15 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 37.100029
16 turk-aydin_hodoglugil @ 37.270351
17 buryat_rasmussen @ 37.593819
18 chuvash_behar @ 38.180019
19 selkup_rasmussen @ 38.936897
20 stalskoe_xing @ 41.277805

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% altaian_rasmussen +50% nogai_yunusbayev @ 7.048669


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +25% lezgin_behar +25% mordovian_yunusbayev @ 4.420957


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 chuvash_behar + lezgin_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + mongolian_rasmussen @ 2.862290
2 chuvash_behar + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + lezgin_behar + oroqen_hgdp @ 2.899986
3 chuvash_behar + lezgin_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + oroqen_hgdp @ 2.918411
4 buryat_xing + chuvash_behar + lezgin_behar + mongolian_rasmussen @ 3.077292
5 chuvash_behar + kyrgyz_xing + lezgin_behar + oroqen_hgdp @ 3.196669
6 chuvash_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + mongolian_rasmussen + stalskoe_xing @ 3.223682
7 chuvash_behar + kumyk_yunusbayev + mongolian_rasmussen + mongolian_rasmussen @ 3.287968
8 altaian_rasmussen + chuvash_behar + lezgin_behar + oroqen_hgdp @ 3.309040
9 chuvash_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + oroqen_hgdp + urkarah_xing @ 3.321565
10 chuvash_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + mongolian_rasmussen + urkarah_xing @ 3.394559
11 buryat_xing + chuvash_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + urkarah_xing @ 3.443482
12 chuvash_behar + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + oroqen_hgdp + urkarah_xing @ 3.475855
13 buryat_xing + lezgin_behar + mordovian_yunusbayev + oroqen_hgdp @ 3.486606
14 chuvash_behar + daur_hgdp + lezgin_behar + tuvinian_rasmussen @ 3.539610
15 chuvash_behar + kazakh_harappa + lezgin_behar + oroqen_hgdp @ 3.571789
16 chuvash_behar + kazakh_harappa + kumyk_yunusbayev + oroqen_hgdp @ 3.592325
17 buryat_rasmussen + chuvash_behar + lezgin_behar + mongolian_rasmussen @ 3.593678
18 altaian_rasmussen + chuvash_behar + daur_hgdp + lezgin_behar @ 3.593716
19 chuvash_behar + mongolian_rasmussen + mongolian_rasmussen + north-ossetian_harappa @ 3.595414
20 chuvash_behar + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + oroqen_hgdp + stalskoe_xing @ 3.604754

Done.

Elapsed time 2.6896 seconds.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Project Blog.

Kit Number: T541349 Elapsed Time: 6.61 seconds


Population
North_Sea 7.37
Atlantic 7.49
Baltic 4.47
Eastern_Euro 15.54
West_Med -
West_Asian 20.35
East_Med 3.56
Red_Sea 0.30
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 9.91
Siberian 30.03
Amerindian 0.97
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -









Web site and contents ©Copyright 2011-2018 by GEDmatch, Inc.
Genealogy and DNA data remains the property of the submitter.
Each Admixture Proportions 'calculator' model remains the property of its developer.

80714 SNPs used in this evaluation

Oracle

GEDmatch.Com Oracle
This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit T541349

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 30.03
2 West_Asian 20.35
3 Eastern_Euro 15.54
4 Southeast_Asian 9.91
5 Atlantic 7.49
6 North_Sea 7.37
7 Baltic 4.47
8 East_Med 3.56
9 Amerindian 0.97
10 Red_Sea 0.3
11 West_Med 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Turkmen 12.34
2 Uzbeki 17.59
3 Hazara 20.28
4 Afghan_Hazara 20.47
5 Nogay 20.53
6 Shors 21.5
7 Hakas 22.68
8 Uygur 22.97
9 Tatar 24.95
10 Altaian 27.69
11 Chuvash 29.25
12 Mari 29.26
13 Afghan_Tadjik 30.38
14 Afghan_Uzbeki 30.51
15 Tadjik 31.07
16 Turkmen 32.19
17 Mongolian 34.03
18 Ket 35.92
19 Tuvinian 35.97
20 Kabardin 37.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Hakas + 37.2% Kabardin @ 6.14
2 65% Hakas + 35% North_Ossetian @ 6.32
3 64.9% Hakas + 35.1% Chechen @ 6.33
4 65.4% Hakas + 34.6% Adygei @ 6.47
5 63% Hakas + 37% Balkar @ 6.58
6 66.4% Shors + 33.6% North_Ossetian @ 6.7
7 65.9% Nogay + 34.1% Selkup @ 6.71
8 52.8% Nogay + 47.2% Hakas @ 6.72
9 65% Hakas + 35% Ossetian @ 6.78
10 64.5% Nogay + 35.5% Ket @ 6.79
11 51.3% Nogay + 48.7% Shors @ 6.99
12 64.7% Hakas + 35.3% Lezgin @ 7
13 64.4% Shors + 35.6% Kabardin @ 7.11
14 64.5% Shors + 35.5% Balkar @ 7.19
15 66.4% Shors + 33.6% Ossetian @ 7.23
16 63.5% Hakas + 36.5% Kumyk @ 7.24
17 66.9% Shors + 33.1% Adygei @ 7.43
18 64.7% Hakas + 35.3% Tabassaran @ 7.48
19 52.7% Tuvinian + 47.3% Tabassaran @ 7.54
20 68.8% Hakas + 31.2% Georgian @ 7.57


Oracle-4

Kit Num: T541349
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 30.03
2 West_Asian 20.35
3 Eastern_Euro 15.54
4 Southeast_Asian 9.91
5 Atlantic 7.49
6 North_Sea 7.37
7 Baltic 4.47
8 East_Med 3.56


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Turkmen @ 13.334456
2 Uzbeki @ 18.782278
3 Nogay @ 20.819336
4 Hazara @ 21.327938
5 Afghan_Hazara @ 21.536455
6 Uygur @ 23.144117
7 Shors @ 23.258026
8 Hakas @ 23.740696
9 Tatar @ 25.967140
10 Altaian @ 28.172636
11 Tadjik @ 31.475109
12 Afghan_Tadjik @ 31.523668
13 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 31.684643
14 Chuvash @ 32.478397
15 Turkmen @ 33.160786
16 Mari @ 33.245804
17 Mongolian @ 34.276840
18 Tuvinian @ 36.120823
19 Ket @ 36.304630
20 Saqqaq @ 37.877018

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% Nogay @ 7.350393


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +25% North_Ossetian +25% Tatar @ 6.961925


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Kabardin + Mari + Nogay + Oroqen @ 5.771437
2 Chechen + Mari + Nogay + Oroqen @ 5.880783
3 Balkar + Mari + Nogay + Oroqen @ 5.915448
4 Mari + Nogay + Oroqen + Ossetian @ 5.975911
5 Mari + Nogay + North_Ossetian + Oroqen @ 6.025166
6 Abhkasian + Mongolian + Selkup + Tatar @ 6.185152
7 Adygei + Mari + Nogay + Oroqen @ 6.245271
8 Altaian + Chechen + Nogay + Selkup @ 6.267954
9 Mongolian + Ossetian + Selkup + Tatar @ 6.288491
10 Chechen + Mongolian + Nogay + Selkup @ 6.315449
11 Mongolian + North_Ossetian + Selkup + Tatar @ 6.349327
12 Lezgin + Mari + Nogay + Oroqen @ 6.370206
13 Mongolian + Nogay + Selkup + Tabassaran @ 6.396970
14 Hakas + North_Ossetian + Tatar + Tuvinian @ 6.415221
15 Hakas + Ossetian + Tatar + Tuvinian @ 6.415993
16 Chuvash + Kabardin + Nogay + Oroqen @ 6.430188
17 Balkar + Mari + Nogay + Yakut @ 6.436810
18 Kabardin + Mari + Nogay + Yakut @ 6.445162
19 North_Ossetian + Shors + Tatar + Tuvinian @ 6.453084
20 Abhkasian + Shors + Tatar + Tuvinian @ 6.475119

Done.

Elapsed time 1.5062 seconds.

[Leto]

Very Mongoloid, around half.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit T541349

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 24.61
2 Siberian 22.95
3 North_European 19.68
4 Caucasus 13.41
5 Gedrosia 11.62
6 Atlantic_Med 6.87
7 Southwest_Asian 0.75
8 Sub_Saharan 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbeks (Behar) 11.13
2 Uygur (HGDP) 17.13
3 Hazara (HGDP) 17.21
4 Altai (Rasmussen) 25.52
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 28.14
6 Mongol (Rasmussen) 30.12
7 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 33.35
8 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 34.08
9 Tuva (Rasmussen) 36.94
10 Chuvashs (Behar) 37.81
11 Buryat (Rasmussen) 38.67
12 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 42.54
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 44.25
14 Oroqen (HGDP) 44.4
15 Turks (Behar) 44.51
16 Romanians (Behar) 44.51
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 44.71
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 44.83
19 O_Italian (Dodecad) 46.08
20 Greek (Dodecad) 47.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.1% Altai (Rasmussen) + 35.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 7.47
2 64.3% Altai (Rasmussen) + 35.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 7.78
3 75.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 24.4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 7.93
4 64.5% Altai (Rasmussen) + 35.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 8
5 82.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 17.4% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 8.16
6 52.7% Altai (Rasmussen) + 47.3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 8.2
7 89.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 10.9% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 8.4
8 88% Uzbeks (Behar) + 12% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 8.47
9 87.5% Uzbeks (Behar) + 12.5% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 8.48
10 60% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 40% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 8.48
11 90.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 9.9% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 8.5
12 60.2% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 39.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 8.57
13 84.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 15.8% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 8.58
14 89.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 10.2% Yakut (HGDP) @ 8.61
15 90.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 9.1% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 8.67
16 93.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 6.8% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 9.01
17 81.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 18.4% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 9.05
18 60.4% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 39.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 9.16
19 87.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 12.4% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 9.29
20 62.2% Mongol (Rasmussen) + 37.8% Hungarians (Behar) @ 9.62

[Kelmendasi]

Plots closer to Siberians like Selkups and Kets than to central Asian Turks on the K15 plot. On the K36 similarity map the sample is only really similar to people from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and people from southern Siberia which counts Siberian Turks

[Wrong]

Hmmm... Radically different from Anatolians...

Where does the South Asian in Modern Turks come from? This sample is devoid of it.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Very Mongoloid, around half.

Only 3.56% East_Med, that individual was something similar to a half Indo-European and half Mongoloid.

[Leto]

Probably people like him interbred with Anatolian wogs and thus created the Turks of Turkey.

[Gangrel]

This is the guy with O haplogroup right?

[Wrong]

Closest to this on Eurogenes K15:

1 Afghan_Turkmen 12.34

https://gdb.rferl.org/31702A6B-6DB6-4C42-BEB3-76B92A59698B_cx1_cy1_cw88_w1023_r1_s.jpg

https://iwpr.net/sites/default/files/styles/story_focal_590/public/migrate/turkmen_students.jpg?itok=w9amXXOb

[Bornoz]

How can they find these samples?

[Gangrel]

I think this one will be an outlier. He has more East Asian than Siberian (which is not normal for Central Asians) and has O Y-DNA haplogroup. If other Ottomans were similar to this modern day Turks would score more East Asian than Siberian but this never usually the case. He probably had Northern Han great grandfather or something

[Wrong]

I think this one will be an outlier. He has more East Asian than Siberian (which is not normal for Central Asians) and has O Y-DNA haplogroup. If other Ottomans were similar to this modern day Turks would score more East Asian than Siberian but this never usually the case. He probably had Northern Han great grandfather or something
Or Mongols, they have some O yDNA aswell.

[Gangrel]

Or Mongols, they have some O yDNA aswell.

Yes could be but Mongols are more Siberian than East Asian iirc

[Wrong]

Yes could be but Mongols are more Siberian than East Asian iirc
Uyghurs?

[Kelmendasi]

I think this one will be an outlier. He has more East Asian than Siberian (which is not normal for Central Asians) and has O Y-DNA haplogroup. If other Ottomans were similar to this modern day Turks would score more East Asian than Siberian but this never usually the case. He probably had Northern Han great grandfather or something
He plots closer to Siberians than to Turks from central Asia although on K36 is most similar to Kazakhs. Yh Ydna O does suggest east Asian paternal origin possibly from China. I also would say that other Ottoman Turks were different than this sample

[Gangrel]

Uyghurs?

Yes could be. Modern day Uygurs are slightly more East Asian than Siberian (20% more or so) but I don't know about Uyghur samples from back then

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Probably people like him interbred with Anatolian wogs and thus created the Turks of Turkey.

They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.

[Gangrel]

They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.

Most Anatolian Turks have East Eurasian to varying degrees, but then you have areas like Trabzon where most of them don't have a drop of Central Asian blood.

[Leto]

They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.
Well, places to the east of Konya were pretty much like Assyrians and Armenians while the Black Sea coast was more like Pontic Greeks. This is how I imagine them to have been.

[Kelmendasi]

Ydna O is found in Turks like Uygurs, Kazakhs and Altaians at around 10% but it could very well be from east Asian input. Going by Ftdna sample most of the O in Turks from places like Kazakhstan is O2a2b with some O2a1c, O2a2b is mainly found among east Asians like Koreans, Chinese and Japanese whilst O2a1c is common in east Asian and south-east Asians

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Most Anatolian Turks have East Eurasian to varying degrees, but then you have areas like Trabzon where most of them don't have a drop of Central Asian blood.

Exactly what I was thinking about, different percentages that can vary within the country from province to province.

[Thracian]

His results are quite different than I expected. Most likely he was not an Anatolian Ottoman but a Mongol.

The Turks invaded Anatolia in 11th century. That guy was living in Anatolia after 300 years of the invasion and not mixed with native people. So werird! Ottomans defeated by Timurid army at Battle of Ankara in 1402. He might be one of Timurs soldiers.

[Böri]

No way, not even original Seljuks werent that high. There are samples being as low as 20% from 1200’s Asia Minor (18% present in modern Turkey).
Nice trolling thread though.
Envy is smth which can trigger the limitless desire to harm and troll, which we see extensively on TA xD Human nature.

[Aren]

Interesting, there were Anatolian Turks almost 50% East Asian as late as the 16th century. Means the Turkish ethnogenesis happend later than that since most modern day Turks are less than 15-20% East Eurasian.

[Marmara]

I don't think this guy is Anatolian. Just happened to end up in Anatolia.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Nice trolling thread though.

What?

[Leto]

No way, not even original Seljuks werent that high. There are samples being as low as 20% from 1200’s Asia Minor (18% present in modern Turkey).
Nice trolling thread though.
Envy is smth which can trigger the limitless desire to harm and troll, which we see extensively on TA xD Human nature.
Wait, don't you and people like you want to associate yourselves with Mongoloid peoples? That medieval person was ACTUALLY Eurasian racially, unlike many modern Turks of Turkey (5-10% mong barely counts). I don't understand Turks.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I didn't open this thread with the intention of trolling, I wrote "Ottoman" because it was written in the paper.

[Yaglakar]

It would be prudent to add sources and publications to which these kits are linked or extracted from. A few members posted allegedly Köktürk/Türk samples a while back which is not congruent with their burial practices. It is known that Türks and Yenisei Kirghiz burned their dead, unlike Xiongnu/Huns, old Uighurs/Oghuz who buried their dead in soil. Another point is that Sogdians were present in large numbers among various Turkic Khaganates of the ancient world. We need to be sure that samples are not mixed descendants of such peoples as well. That Karluk sample posted earlier is also to be questioned. Was he a nomad, semi-nomad, settled, or mixed descendent, etc? The burial itself would give much info, burial with horse or without, items, etc. These labeling Karluk, Oghuz, Seljuk, Ottoman is also wrong. What is meant by that? The era of dominance or exact belonging to the aforementioned groups.

[kleenex]

This is what the Byzantines had to deal with? A definite clash of cultures.

[grecoroman]

Nice trolling thread though.
Envy is smth which can trigger the limitless desire to harm and troll, which we see extensively on TA xD Human nature.

Are you stable minded mate??? He shows the genetic results from a official site and you call IT trolling??? Lol Turks man funny people.

[dark-mysterio]

His results are quite different than I expected. Most likely he was not an Anatolian Ottoman but a Mongol.

The Turks invaded Anatolia in 11th century. That guy was living in Anatolia after 300 years of the invasion and not mixed with native people. So werird! Ottomans defeated by Timurid army at Battle of Ankara in 1402. He might be one of Timurs soldiers.

did the mongols where already present in the region (after conquering iran and iraq ?) in anatolia before the timurid ?

[catgeorge]

When the third world entered europe

[Petalpusher]

They certainly left something in the DNA of modern Turks. Some time ago I saw the GEDmatch results of a guy from Central Anatolia with an Asian percentage of 14.39%, but I'm not sure if all the Turks have something Asian in their DNA. The thing that I wonder is what the Anatolians were like before the Turks came. They were probably similar to modern Cypriots or a middle ground between Cypriots, Greeks and the southernmost plotting southern Italians with something Caucasian. Surely we need ancient DNA to know better.

Yes this is just a fragment of what Turks absorbed at some point.

Before Turks they should have still been similar to Anatolia_BA, so basically Early farmer + something more Caucasus, but the region surely has been a major cross road between continents in more recent time, it's expected to find an increasing amount of different influences there as time passed and cultures developped.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Yes this is just a fragment of what Turks absorbed at some point.

Before Turks they should have still been similar to Anatolia_BA, so basically Early farmer + something more Caucasus, but the region surely has been a major cross road between continents in more recent time, it's expected to find an increasing amount of different influences there as time passed and cultures developped.

Bronze Age Anatolians:

https://i.imgur.com/GEyd7nD.png

https://i.imgur.com/W6E9HEz.png

https://i.imgur.com/nIx23Gb.png

[Thracian]

did the mongols where already present in the region (after conquering iran and iraq ?) in anatolia before the timurid ?

Yup. Seljuks and Mongols were fought at Kosedag in 1243. Mongols defeated Seljuks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Köse_Dağ

[Pahli]

Could be Turkicized Mongol from either the Mongol or Timurid Empire

[İrle]

This sample must be an outlier and cannot be used as a proxy for Seljuq Turks. The sample score %0 South Asian while we compare the results of Turks with Anatolain Greeks and Armenians, we see that the Turkish migration had increased the South Asian component in Anatolia. Oghuz/Turcomans must have carried significant amount of South Asian component too.

Besides of it, this sample has no match on Gedmatch. I haven't seen anyone (Turks) even score some shared segments over 2cM which is extremely weird and unusual for a supposedly 16th century Turcoman sample in the middle of Turkey.