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Callaeci Viros
05-27-2018, 01:01 PM
Anyone would have a theory why I have more similarities with Maghreb Jews, than Sephardic, when I'm Portuguese and the vast majority of my family originates from Portugal? I would expect that side of the family to be Sephardic, rather than Maghreb.
Would this be a case of Jews from Morocco, either expelled or exiled by the Almohads in 11th or 12th century to where Portugal sits today? Or something I'm missing? Gedmatch shows me always either Libyan, Algerian or Moroccan Jew, instead of Sephardic. This is no more of 20% of my admixture. The vast majority is European (celtic as most Portuguese are).
TheMaestro
05-27-2018, 01:06 PM
Post your gedmatch results
Callaeci Viros
05-27-2018, 09:54 PM
Post your gedmatch results
MDLP
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portugese_ @ 7.040620
2 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 11.179063
3 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 11.421877
4 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 11.791838
5 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 11.870663
6 Spaniard_ @ 12.049917
7 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 12.262932
8 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 12.615719
9 Italian_North_ @ 13.184359
10 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 13.547831
11 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 13.550017
12 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 14.065953
13 French_ @ 14.200661
14 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 15.157149
15 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 15.834116
16 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 17.070610
17 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 18.211506
18 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 19.175066
19 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 19.261335
20 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 19.274160
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_North_ +50% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 4.671529
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian_ +25% Sardinian_ +25% Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.762800
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Estonian_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Sardinian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 3.205096
2 Latvian_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Sardinian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 3.292281
3 Croat_BH_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.398081
4 Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + Slovenian_ + South_German_ @ 3.505490
5 Libyan_Jew_ + Lithuanian_ + Sardinian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 3.530493
6 Croat_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.539633
7 Hungarian_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + South_German_ @ 3.543638
8 Estonian_ + Sardinian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.545336
9 Pole_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 3.548974
10 Belgian_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + Slovenian_ @ 3.559673
11 Belgian_ + Croat_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.574993
12 Croat_ + Norwegian_West_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.575109
13 British_ + Croat_BH_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.581601
14 Belgian_ + Croat_BH_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.587561
15 Belarusian_Russian_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 3.593195
16 Mixed_East_Slav_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 3.602954
17 CEU_ + Croat_BH_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.604762
18 Italian_Bergamo_ + Latvian_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.605602
19 Lithuanian_ + Sardinian_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 3.609623
20 Norwegian_West_ + Sardinian_ + Serb_BH_ + Shaigi_Sudan_ @ 3.613150
Eurogenes
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese @ 4.614633
2 Spanish_Murcia @ 5.120695
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.427639
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.964991
5 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.987687
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.177240
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.099266
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.742828
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.784307
10 Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.396283
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.856997
12 North_Italian @ 10.466885
13 Southwest_French @ 11.718847
14 French @ 13.083364
15 Tuscan @ 16.334038
16 South_Dutch @ 20.018093
17 West_German @ 20.020452
18 French_Basque @ 23.772423
19 West_Sicilian @ 23.835896
20 Serbian @ 24.103045
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.604728
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.544316
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian @ 4.317997
2 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.544316
3 Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Valencia + Tunisian @ 4.555931
4 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.604728
5 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.608569
6 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 4.614633
7 Algerian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.626385
8 Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Valencia + Tunisian @ 4.630903
9 Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian @ 4.632596
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Tuscan @ 4.648260
11 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.662709
12 Algerian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.665711
13 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.671651
14 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.676422
15 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.679652
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Valencia + Tuscan @ 4.684970
17 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.687864
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Tuscan @ 4.687897
19 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.705052
20 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.720551
Sp_loa
05-29-2018, 08:00 PM
Maybe you have some Berber blood as well some Sephardic blood making it look like you are partially North African Jewish.
In any case Moroccan/Algerian Jews are very similar to Eastern Sephardim genetically (they are are mix of Sephardim and local "Berber Jews", but closer to Sephardim genetically). Libyan Jews are almost pure stock of Levantine with very little European and Berber blood. Tunisian Jews are in between.
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