A Syriac Gedmatch result!

[Haider]

From Aleppo, Syria. Equidistant between Levant and Anatolia, not that different from a regular northern Syrian actually. Anyway, Syriacs are they're own group and definitely not proper Assyrians as in Chaldean or Church of the East sense. Imo they are closer to Maronites, with whom they share the Western Syrian Rite as opposed to the Eastern Syrian Rite of Assyrians.


# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 40.42
2 SW_Europe 27.92
3 SW_Asia 21.87
4 NE_Europe 4.91
5 South_Asia 2.83
6 NE_Asia 1.14
7 East_Africa 0.84
8 Siberia 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.95
2 Lebanese_Druze 4.89
3 Syrian 5.12
4 Assyrian 5.18
5 Lebanese_Christian 6.53
6 Armenian 6.91
7 Turkish_Kayseri 8.99
8 Turkish_Trabzon 9.79
9 Azerbaijan_Azeri 10
10 Cypriot 10.87
11 Kurdish 10.98
12 Turkish 11.12
13 Jordanian 11.56
14 Samaritan_Jew 12.96
15 Palestinian 13.14
16 Abkhasian 13.2
17 Iranian 13.28
18 Turkish_Aydin 15.79
19 Ossetian 16.9
20 Dagestan_Azeri 17.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Armenian + 43.2% Syrian @ 1.89
2 50.3% Armenian + 49.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.08
3 51.4% Lebanese_Druze + 48.6% Armenian @ 2.12
4 65% Assyrian + 35% Syrian @ 2.15
5 71.1% Lebanese_Druze + 28.9% Kurdish @ 2.21
6 62.2% Lebanese_Christian + 37.8% Kurdish @ 2.26
7 57.2% Assyrian + 42.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.26
8 71.2% Armenian + 28.8% Jordanian @ 2.3
9 90.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 9.9% Romani @ 2.34
10 50.5% Samaritan_Jew + 49.5% Abkhasian @ 2.41
11 74.1% Armenian + 25.9% Palestinian @ 2.44
12 59.5% Assyrian + 40.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.46
13 74.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 25.9% Abkhasian @ 2.49
14 75.6% Lebanese_Druze + 24.4% Abkhasian @ 2.53
15 56.8% Azerbaijan_Azeri + 43.2% Samaritan_Jew @ 2.58
16 78.3% Assyrian + 21.7% Turkish @ 2.58
17 70.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.6% Kurdish @ 2.6
18 74.5% Assyrian + 25.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.65
19 76.2% Lebanese_Druze + 23.8% Iranian @ 2.7
20 67.2% Lebanese_Christian + 32.8% Iranian @ 2.72

[Aren]

Not really though. "Syriacs" speak a version of Eastern Neo Aramaic and call themself "Suroyo", just like we Catholic and Nestorian Assyrians say "Suraya"(which means Assyrian). I've seen several gedmatch results of Syriac Orthodox Assyrians and they are indistinguishable from the rest of us. Syriacs in Syria and Lebanon nowadays are highly Arabized and mix with the local Christians so obviously this guy isn't 100% Assyrian.
Here are two Syriac Orthodox

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.69
2 West_Asian 32.63
3 West_Med 11.41
4 Red_Sea 7
5 Baltic 3.28
6 South_Asian 2.31
7 Amerindian 0.68
8 Northeast_African 0.36
9 Siberian 0.26
10 East_Asian 0.18
11 Sub-Saharan 0.13
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 3.01
2 Kurdish_Jewish 5.11
3 Georgian_Jewish 5.59
4 Iranian_Jewish 5.84
5 Armenian 8.99
6 Lebanese_Muslim 10.63
7 Lebanese_Druze 12.7
8 Syrian 13.04
9 Lebanese_Christian 13.33
10 Turkish 13.48
11 Cyprian 14.13
12 Azeri 14.31
13 Kurdish 14.43
14 Iranian 15.22
15 Samaritan 15.43
16 Jordanian 16.49
17 Palestinian 17.63
18 Bedouin 22.21
19 Tunisian_Jewish 22.36
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.04

Eurogenes K13:
East_Med 40.64
West_Asian 30.3
West_Med 11.7
Red_Sea 8.07
North_Atlantic 4.26
South_Asian 2.32
Baltic 2.29
Oceanian 0.17
East_Asian 0.15
Siberian 0.07
Sub-Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

Assyrian 3.63
Kurdish_Jewish 4.8
Iranian_Jewish 5.39
Georgian_Jewish 6.99
Lebanese_Muslim 7.58
Armenian 9.61
Syrian 10.47
Lebanese_Druze 10.63
Cyprian 11.53
Turkish 11.68
Lebanese_Christian 11.79
Samaritan 13.62
Azeri 13.62
Jordanian 14.62
Kurdish 14.82
Palestinian 15.39
Iranian 15.63
Tunisian_Jewish 18.93
Sephardic_Jewish 19.69
Libyan_Jewish 19.76

[Haider]

The ones you posted are from Iraq. Mine is more representative for Syria/Turkey.


Not really though. "Syriacs" speak a version of Eastern Neo Aramaic and call themself "Suroyo", just like we Catholic and Nestorian Assyrians say "Suraya"(which means Assyrian). I've seen several gedmatch results of Syriac Orthodox Assyrians and they are indistinguishable from the rest of us. Syriacs in Syria and Lebanon nowadays are highly Arabized and mix with the local Christians so obviously this guy isn't 100% Assyrian.
Here are two Syriac Orthodox

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.69
2 West_Asian 32.63
3 West_Med 11.41
4 Red_Sea 7
5 Baltic 3.28
6 South_Asian 2.31
7 Amerindian 0.68
8 Northeast_African 0.36
9 Siberian 0.26
10 East_Asian 0.18
11 Sub-Saharan 0.13
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 3.01
2 Kurdish_Jewish 5.11
3 Georgian_Jewish 5.59
4 Iranian_Jewish 5.84
5 Armenian 8.99
6 Lebanese_Muslim 10.63
7 Lebanese_Druze 12.7
8 Syrian 13.04
9 Lebanese_Christian 13.33
10 Turkish 13.48
11 Cyprian 14.13
12 Azeri 14.31
13 Kurdish 14.43
14 Iranian 15.22
15 Samaritan 15.43
16 Jordanian 16.49
17 Palestinian 17.63
18 Bedouin 22.21
19 Tunisian_Jewish 22.36
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.04

Eurogenes K13:
East_Med 40.64
West_Asian 30.3
West_Med 11.7
Red_Sea 8.07
North_Atlantic 4.26
South_Asian 2.32
Baltic 2.29
Oceanian 0.17
East_Asian 0.15
Siberian 0.07
Sub-Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

Assyrian 3.63
Kurdish_Jewish 4.8
Iranian_Jewish 5.39
Georgian_Jewish 6.99
Lebanese_Muslim 7.58
Armenian 9.61
Syrian 10.47
Lebanese_Druze 10.63
Cyprian 11.53
Turkish 11.68
Lebanese_Christian 11.79
Samaritan 13.62
Azeri 13.62
Jordanian 14.62
Kurdish 14.82
Palestinian 15.39
Iranian 15.63
Tunisian_Jewish 18.93
Sephardic_Jewish 19.69
Libyan_Jewish 19.76

[Aren]

The ones you posted are from Iraq. Mine is more representative for Syria/Turkey.

Lol no. Both of the ones I posted are originally from Tur Abdin in Turkey. All Syriac Orthodox are originally from Turkey with the exception of a couple villages in Northern Iraq. The community in Syria is recent, after the genocide.

[Leto]

Post Eurogenes too.

[Nazarene]

I've always wondered if Aleppine syriacs would cluster with Maronites or Assyrians. I know that they had close relations with the Mardini and Maslawi syriacs back in the Ottoman Empire days, as they all spoke arabic. Can you provide kit number?

[Myanthropologies]

Interesting how they have Iranian influence it seems.

[Haider]

I've always wondered if Aleppine syriacs would cluster with Maronites or Assyrians. I know that they had close relations with the Mardini and Maslawi syriacs back in the Ottoman Empire days, as they all spoke arabic. Can you provide kit number?

From my experience, Levantine Syriacs tend to plot with their countries' Christian community, or with other minorities. For instance, I've seen a Palestinian Syriac from Bethelem plot with Samaritans.

Which calculator do you want me to post?

[Haider]

Lol no. Both of the ones I posted are originally from Tur Abdin in Turkey. All Syriac Orthodox are originally from Turkey with the exception of a couple villages in Northern Iraq. The community in Syria is recent, after the genocide.

There's a NATIVE Syriac community stretching all the way from Aleppo to Bethelem, and they are mostly Catholic (like the op), not Orthodox. And they don't identify as Assyrian, just Syriac or Aramean. Another official name for the Syriac Catholic Church is Aramean Catholic Church. They identify as native Levantines, not with Mesopotamians.

[Profileid]

"Syriac" is not the right word. That is the name of the language,not the people.

[StonyArabia]

The Alwaite sample was interesting because it showed Turko-Mongol shift. However I think that Syrian Christians in general are not that different from the Muslim counterparts especially those who don't belong to ethno-religious grouping but just religious sect and speak Arabic. In Jordan Bedouin Christian exist but they are minority and they don't look much different from the Muslim ones, other than being more robust slightly.

His results is shows his locality very well. He is very close to Lebanese Muslims is quite interesting.

[Nazarene]

From my experience, Levantine Syriacs tend to plot with their countries' Christian community, or with other minorities. For instance, I've seen a Palestinian Syriac from Bethelem plot with Samaritans.

Which calculator do you want me to post?

Right that makes sense to me, they look like typical Levantines. Can you please post the J-test on Eurogenes? Thanks!

[Aren]

There's a NATIVE Syriac community stretching all the way from Aleppo to Bethelem, and they are mostly Catholic (like the op), not Orthodox. And they don't identify as Assyrian, just Syriac or Aramean. Another official name for the Syriac Catholic Church is Aramean Catholic Church. They identify as native Levantines, not with Mesopotamians.

But you wrote Turkey/Syria? And I showed you proof that's not the case. You are just confusing everyone by using words like Syriac, Aramean and Assyrian. Not everyone in the Syriac churches are always ethnic Assyrians. We converted many people from China/India to Egypt during the early middle ages. His family is probably one of those converts as only the communities in India and the Levant survived the Mongols.
The two I posted from Tur Abdin are what the original folllowers of the Western Syriac faith(excluding Maronites ofc) are like genetically speaking, just like the rest of us Assyrians.
A correct term for the "Syriac" you posted native to the Levant would be Levantine Christian or Aramean. Syriac is a church belonging and nowadays also the word for the Eastern Neo-Aramaic spoken in Upper Mesopotamia, and not an ethnicity.

[Aren]

Also why are you just posting his PuntDNA K13? I get a distance of 7-8 to both Lebanese Druze and Muslims on that calc, so he might actually be just slightly Levantine shifted actual Assyrian.
Try Eurogenes K13.

[Leto]

Punt K13 is crap, even K15 is better.

[CPL05]

From Aleppo, Syria. Equidistant between Levant and Anatolia, not that different from a regular northern Syrian actually. Anyway, Syriacs are they're own group and definitely not proper Assyrians as in Chaldean or Church of the East sense. Imo they are closer to Maronites, with whom they share the Western Syrian Rite as opposed to the Eastern Syrian Rite of Assyrians.


# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 40.42
2 SW_Europe 27.92
3 SW_Asia 21.87
4 NE_Europe 4.91
5 South_Asia 2.83
6 NE_Asia 1.14
7 East_Africa 0.84
8 Siberia 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.95
2 Lebanese_Druze 4.89
3 Syrian 5.12
4 Assyrian 5.18
5 Lebanese_Christian 6.53
6 Armenian 6.91
7 Turkish_Kayseri 8.99
8 Turkish_Trabzon 9.79
9 Azerbaijan_Azeri 10
10 Cypriot 10.87
11 Kurdish 10.98
12 Turkish 11.12
13 Jordanian 11.56
14 Samaritan_Jew 12.96
15 Palestinian 13.14
16 Abkhasian 13.2
17 Iranian 13.28
18 Turkish_Aydin 15.79
19 Ossetian 16.9
20 Dagestan_Azeri 17.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Armenian + 43.2% Syrian @ 1.89
2 50.3% Armenian + 49.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.08
3 51.4% Lebanese_Druze + 48.6% Armenian @ 2.12
4 65% Assyrian + 35% Syrian @ 2.15
5 71.1% Lebanese_Druze + 28.9% Kurdish @ 2.21
6 62.2% Lebanese_Christian + 37.8% Kurdish @ 2.26
7 57.2% Assyrian + 42.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.26
8 71.2% Armenian + 28.8% Jordanian @ 2.3
9 90.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 9.9% Romani @ 2.34
10 50.5% Samaritan_Jew + 49.5% Abkhasian @ 2.41
11 74.1% Armenian + 25.9% Palestinian @ 2.44
12 59.5% Assyrian + 40.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.46
13 74.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 25.9% Abkhasian @ 2.49
14 75.6% Lebanese_Druze + 24.4% Abkhasian @ 2.53
15 56.8% Azerbaijan_Azeri + 43.2% Samaritan_Jew @ 2.58
16 78.3% Assyrian + 21.7% Turkish @ 2.58
17 70.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.6% Kurdish @ 2.6
18 74.5% Assyrian + 25.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.65
19 76.2% Lebanese_Druze + 23.8% Iranian @ 2.7
20 67.2% Lebanese_Christian + 32.8% Iranian @ 2.72

Can you post your Eurogenes K13, K15 and MDLP World-22 results ?