The I-cultures. Which would it be?

[Ayman Vasconic]

Those, without R addition. Let's divide it on: 1) Pure - before farmers, only I people (with eventual co-existing C people), 2) Half - mix with farmers but without Indo-European influx.

Modernlty I would say basqish, BUT they have R people infiltrating them. But still, some characteristics, like language, some unfortunatly feminish influence and dark complexion is characteristic to this sociaty, so we can safely say, that they are leftovers from original Old-European cultures. The characteristic thing among them is beret. Maybe it should be a national I-people head dress? I think it would be adequate and modern.

Like here: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/basque-country-people-beret.html

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f5/97/a9/f597a98d60ccf05b9810bec79e0615da.jpg

[Pahli]

IJ master race bro

[Ayman Vasconic]

IJ master race bro

Woderfull. Something more informative in topic?

[Jana]

Rethel is envy

[Kelmendasi]

Rethel are you bored? I-M170 has nothing to do with Blacks, the WHG in fact were most distant to SSA. Basques aren't a WHG culture though, their ancestors came to be during the Neolithic or Bronze Age.

[Pahli]

Rethel are you bored? I-M170 has nothing to do with Blacks, the WHG in fact were most distant to SSA. Basques aren't a WHG culture though, their ancestors came to be during the Neolithic or Bronze Age.

Aren't Basques almost 50/50 WHG + Anatolian farmer admixed? Their language is said to have derived from these farmers too.

[Kelmendasi]

Aren't Basques almost 50/50 WHG + Anatolian farmer admixed? Their language is said to have derived from these farmers too.
Basques are mainly Neolithic + WHG but they also have a good amount of Steppe admix iirc which makes sense as their main haplogroup is R1b-DF27 like other Iberians. Some theories state that the ancestors of the Basque were part of the Neolithic Cardial culture

[Norb]

Rethel are you bored? I-M170 has nothing to do with Blacks, the WHG in fact were most distant to SSA. Basques aren't a WHG culture though, their ancestors came to be during the Neolithic or Bronze Age.

Rethel is R1a like me isn't he? :rolleyes:

[Megadorian]

Who unbanned this retard again?

[Ayman Vasconic]

I-M170 has nothing to do with Blacks

The scientific fact remains, WHG people were black. Don't confuse it with negro. Negro is black. But also Dravidian is black. Aboriginal is black. Andamanese is black. Papuan is black. Peegmee is black. Ngrito is black. And so on. And they are not SSA also.


Basques aren't a WHG culture though, their ancestors came to be during the Neolithic or Bronze Age.

Basques represent the only probable language of I-people, so they do are a remnant in linguo sphere. As they have some pre-Indo-European cultural features, they are also in cultural sphere. Why it should be rejected, if it surrvived anyway through thousands of years? And the topic is about ancient ones, so please turn to the topic. I just mention remains for the record, but it is not the theme.

[Kelmendasi]

The scientific fact remains, WHG people were black. Don't confuse it with negro. Negro is black. But also Dravidian is black. Aboriginal is black. Andamanese is black. Papuan is black. Peegmee is black. Ngrito is black. And so on. And they are not SSA also.



Basques represent the only probable language of I-people, so they do are a remnant in linguo sphere. As they have some pre-Indo-European cultural features, they are also in cultural sphere. Why it should be rejected, if it surrvived anyway through thousands of years? And the topic is about ancient ones, so please turn to the topic. I just mention remains for the record, but it is not the theme.
They weren't black in skin tone either, their SNPs didn't show them to have black skin. The Basque language descends from Neolithic peoples who were mainly G2a with some other haplogroups, I haplogroups would have entered them later on.

[Ayman Vasconic]

They weren't black in skin tone either,

Yea, sure, when the science does not fit to racist agenda, then has to be wrong.


The Basque language descends from Neolithic peoples who were mainly G2a with some other haplogroups,

You do not have proves. Just assumption, the same as mine, but mine has this strong side, that some vocabulary and the isolation, supports the olderness. But Iberians could be G2 - but their language was totaly different. And btw, there is none other language left for I-people, so it is the only option anyway.


I haplogroups would have entered them later on.

So even on this basis, if your point would be correct (but you don;t know it) it can belong to I.

[Kelmendasi]

Yea, sure, when the science does not fit to racist agenda, then has to be wrong.



You do not have proves. Just assumption, the same as mine, but mine has this strong side, that some vocabulary and the isolation, supports the olderness. But Iberians could be G2 - but their language was totaly different. And btw, there is none other language left for I-people, so it is the only option anyway.



So even on this basis, if your point would be correct (but you don;t know it) it can belong to I.
Not really, it was an agenda for them to make the Cheddar man seem black as in black African. Again you get it wrong, evidence supports a Neolithic origin as the language is dominated by Farming vocabulary and words for domesticated animals, the Paleolithic theory is outdated as it was based on blood groups, also the I2 haplogroup in the Basques is I2a1a-M26 which seems to have been absorbed by Neolithic peoples like those of the Cardial culture. Basques aren't as isolated as you say, they have a good amount of IE Steppe admix and R1b-DF27 dominates their paternal haplogroup suggesting that they inter-mixed with their IE neighbors. The ancestors of the Basques were pre-IE Iberians so they probably spoke the same language or similar language to the other pre-IE Iberians

[Ayman Vasconic]

Not really, it was an agenda for them to make the Cheddar man seem black as in black African.

Nope, as other testing of WHG people are the same. They certainly werent albinos.


Again you get it wrong, evidence supports a Neolithic origin as the language is dominated by Farming vocabulary

Since when borrowings and influence of one language on another are not happening? Much more has of indo-european influence, both, genetically and lingustically, but still it is not-indo-european language, and people as a folk are not indo-europeans, even if 60% of men personally are of such provenance. I didn;t say, pthat nothing changed through thousands of years. But anyway, as I said, it is the only one so I people should claim it anyway.


as it was based on blood groups,

Which were never tested, so it couldn;t be based on it. Anyway, you just proved next time today, that scientific theoriers are just pure lies, with exeption of these which fit to your goal.


also the I2 haplogroup in the Basques is I2a1a-M26 which seems to have been absorbed by Neolithic peoples like those of the Cardial culture.


Not all were absorbed. You are just guessing.


Basques aren't as isolated as you say,

Read above.

[Jana]

R haplogroup seem to originate from negrito-mongoloid mixed people of south east Asia. Does it bother Rethel ?

[Kelmendasi]

Nope, as other testing of WHG people are the same. They certainly werent albinos.



Since when borrowings and influence of one language on another are not happening? Much more has of indo-european influence, both, genetically and lingustically, but still it is not-indo-european language, and people as a folk are not indo-europeans, even if 60% of men personally are of such provenance. I didn;t say, pthat nothing changed through thousands of years. But anyway, as I said, it is the only one so I people should claim it anyway.



Which were never tested, so it couldn;t be based on it. Anyway, you just proved next time today, that scientific theoriers are just pure lies, with exeption of these which fit to your goal.



Not all were absorbed. You are just guessing.



Read above.
What are you actually on about lol? The fact that the Basque language is dominated by farming vocabulary makes it more probable for it to be Neolithic derived than Paleolithic. Historians say that the Paleolithic theory was based on the fact that Basques are mainly blood type O and they linked that blood type to Paleoltihic Europeans, historians that have played a big role in Archaeogenetics have said that this is what that theory was based on. I2a1a is one of the haplogroups that was expanded by Neolithic Europeans despite having a WHG origin, this is proven by ancient samples which show I2a1 being the second most common Neolithic farmer after G2a.

[Aren]

Not really, it was an agenda for them to make the Cheddar man seem black as in black African. Again you get it wrong, evidence supports a Neolithic origin as the language is dominated by Farming vocabulary and words for domesticated animals, the Paleolithic theory is outdated as it was based on blood groups, also the I2 haplogroup in the Basques is I2a1a-M26 which seems to have been absorbed by Neolithic peoples like those of the Cardial culture. Basques aren't as isolated as you say, they have a good amount of IE Steppe admix and R1b-DF27 dominates their paternal haplogroup suggesting that they inter-mixed with their IE neighbors. The ancestors of the Basques were pre-IE Iberians so they probably spoke the same language or similar language to the other pre-IE Iberians

You summed it up pretty good, the main difference between Basques and non-Basue Iberians is the fact that they lack North African input and that the Neolithic admix is more WHG-shifted. Other than that they don't differ much in Steppe input.