Bedouin GEDmatch results

[Ajeje Brazorf]

HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions

HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the HarappaWorld model, created by Zack. Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at harappa@zackvision.com or to his HarappaWorld blog.
We appreciate him making this excellent tool available here.

Kit Number: Z643901 Elapsed Time: 8.59 seconds


Population
S-Indian -
Baloch -
Caucasian -
NE-Euro 2.79
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American -
Beringian -
Mediterranean -
SW-Asian 97.21
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -









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188146 SNPs used in this evaluation

Oracle

GEDmatch.Com Oracle
This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

HarappaWorld Oracle results:
23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Kit Z643901

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 97.21
2 NE-Euro 2.79

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 saudi (behar) 43.86
2 bedouin (hgdp) 44.05
3 qatari (henn2012) 44.42
4 yemen-jew (behar) 54.11
5 libya (henn2012) 61.95
6 yemenese (behar) 63.73
7 egyptian (behar) 67.84
8 egypt (henn2012) 67.86
9 saharawi (henn2012) 70.36
10 moroccan (behar) 71.37
11 mozabite (hgdp) 71.63
12 palestinian (hgdp) 72.01
13 algeria (henn2012) 73.81
14 jordanian (behar) 74.21
15 samaritian (behar) 75.46
16 ethiopian-jew (behar) 75.53
17 ethiopian (behar) 76.57
18 tygray (pagani) 77.18
19 syrian (behar) 77.42
20 palestinian (harappa) 77.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% saudi (behar) + 29.5% qatari (henn2012) @ 43.73
2 71.8% saudi (behar) + 28.2% bedouin (hgdp) @ 43.82
3 100% saudi (behar) + 0% !kung (xing) @ 43.86
4 100% saudi (behar) + 0% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 43.86
5 100% saudi (behar) + 0% adygei (hgdp) @ 43.86
6 100% saudi (behar) + 0% afar (pagani) @ 43.86
7 100% saudi (behar) + 0% african-american (1000genomes) @ 43.86
8 100% saudi (behar) + 0% african-caribbean (1000genomes) @ 43.86
9 100% saudi (behar) + 0% algeria (henn2012) @ 43.86
10 100% saudi (behar) + 0% altaian (rasmussen) @ 43.86
11 100% saudi (behar) + 0% alur (xing) @ 43.86
12 100% saudi (behar) + 0% amhara (pagani) @ 43.86
13 100% saudi (behar) + 0% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 43.86
14 100% saudi (behar) + 0% anuak (pagani) @ 43.86
15 100% saudi (behar) + 0% aonaga (reich) @ 43.86
16 100% saudi (behar) + 0% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 43.86
17 100% saudi (behar) + 0% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 43.86
18 100% saudi (behar) + 0% ap-madiga (xing) @ 43.86
19 100% saudi (behar) + 0% ap-mala (xing) @ 43.86
20 100% saudi (behar) + 0% ap-reddy (harappa) @ 43.86


Oracle-4

Kit Num: Z643901
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
HarappaWorld 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 97.21
2 NE-Euro 2.79


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 bedouin_hgdp @ 47.865685
2 saudi_behar @ 47.875866
3 qatari_henn2012 @ 48.124702
4 yemen-jew_behar @ 59.220959
5 libya_henn2012 @ 66.587769
6 yemenese_behar @ 69.004410
7 egypt_henn2012 @ 73.499153
8 egyptian_behar @ 73.517662
9 saharawi_henn2012 @ 75.383751
10 moroccan_behar @ 76.414070
11 mozabite_hgdp @ 76.732964
12 palestinian_hgdp @ 78.440536
13 algeria_henn2012 @ 79.169640
14 ethiopian-jew_behar @ 80.030350
15 jordanian_behar @ 80.778008
16 ethiopian_behar @ 81.115814
17 tygray_pagani @ 81.939880
18 samaritian_behar @ 82.496513
19 amhara_pagani @ 83.120590
20 morocco-n_henn2012 @ 84.127716

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% qatari_henn2012 +50% saudi_behar @ 47.618164


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% qatari_henn2012 +25% saudi_behar +25% saudi_behar @ 47.618164


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar + saudi_behar @ 47.618164
2 bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar + saudi_behar @ 47.627613
3 qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar + saudi_behar + saudi_behar @ 47.652035
4 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar @ 47.666203
5 bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar @ 47.666481
6 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + saudi_behar + saudi_behar @ 47.745686
7 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 @ 47.765846
8 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + saudi_behar @ 47.774685
9 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 @ 47.776413
10 qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar @ 47.776459
11 bedouin_hgdp + saudi_behar + saudi_behar + saudi_behar @ 47.780373
12 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp @ 47.865685
13 saudi_behar + saudi_behar + saudi_behar + saudi_behar @ 47.875866
14 bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 @ 47.897594
15 qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 @ 48.124702
16 qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar + yemen-jew_behar @ 50.199635
17 bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + yemen-jew_behar @ 50.218781
18 qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + yemen-jew_behar @ 50.247269
19 bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saudi_behar + yemen-jew_behar @ 50.283691
20 bedouin_hgdp + bedouin_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + yemen-jew_behar @ 50.293201

Done.

Elapsed time 169.1747 seconds.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Project Blog.

Kit Number: Z643901 Elapsed Time: 8.38 seconds


Population
North_Sea -
Atlantic -
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea 100.00
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -









Web site and contents ©Copyright 2011-2018 by GEDmatch, Inc.
Genealogy and DNA data remains the property of the submitter.
Each Admixture Proportions 'calculator' model remains the property of its developer.

184695 SNPs used in this evaluation

Oracle

GEDmatch.Com Oracle
This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit Z643901

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Red_Sea 100

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 73.2
2 Yemenite_Jewish 82.87
3 Bedouin 82.96
4 Moroccan 85.58
5 Egyptian 86.16
6 Algerian 87.13
7 Mozabite_Berber 87.52
8 Tunisian 87.76
9 Palestinian 89.57
10 Jordanian 89.75
11 Syrian 90.13
12 Ethiopian_Tigray 90.57
13 Ethiopian_Amhara 91.16
14 Samaritan 92.17
15 Libyan_Jewish 92.49
16 Ashkenazi 92.64
17 Tunisian_Jewish 92.78
18 Sephardic_Jewish 92.92
19 Lebanese_Muslim 93.5
20 Italian_Jewish 94.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.2% Saudi + 4.8% Somali @ 73.12
2 98.1% Saudi + 1.9% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 73.19
3 99.8% Saudi + 0.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 73.2
4 100% Saudi + 0% Abhkasian @ 73.2
5 100% Saudi + 0% Adygei @ 73.2
6 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 73.2
7 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 73.2
8 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 73.2
9 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 73.2
10 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 73.2
11 100% Saudi + 0% Algerian @ 73.2
12 100% Saudi + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 73.2
13 100% Saudi + 0% Altaian @ 73.2
14 100% Saudi + 0% Anzick-1 @ 73.2
15 100% Saudi + 0% Armenian @ 73.2
16 100% Saudi + 0% Ashkenazi @ 73.2
17 100% Saudi + 0% Assyrian @ 73.2
18 100% Saudi + 0% Austrian @ 73.2
19 100% Saudi + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 73.2
20 100% Saudi + 0% Azeri @ 73.2


Oracle-4

Kit Num: Z643901
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Red_Sea 100.00


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Saudi @ 79.992180
2 Bedouin @ 89.546387
3 Moroccan @ 90.883820
4 Yemenite_Jewish @ 90.980850
5 Ethiopian_Tigray @ 92.555283
6 Egyptian @ 92.555977
7 Algerian @ 92.577301
8 Mozabite_Berber @ 92.827812
9 Ethiopian_Amhara @ 92.892418
10 Tunisian @ 93.394684
11 Jordanian @ 96.920334
12 Palestinian @ 97.050278
13 Syrian @ 97.300659
14 Somali @ 98.562790
15 Ashkenazi @ 99.189369
16 Libyan_Jewish @ 99.562668
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 99.927818
18 Sephardic_Jewish @ 99.932709
19 Samaritan @ 99.971062
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 101.024315

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Saudi +50% Saudi @ 79.992180


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Saudi +25% Saudi +25% Somali @ 79.727493


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Saudi + Saudi + Saudi + Somali @ 79.727493
2 Saudi + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 79.992180
3 Ethiopian_Amhara + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 80.001122
4 Ethiopian_Tigray + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 80.165085
5 Ethiopian_Oromo + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 81.038910
6 Moroccan + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 81.220779
7 Ethiopian_Wolayta + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 81.273682
8 Mozabite_Berber + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 81.640144
9 Algerian + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 81.880890
10 Maasai + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.046570
11 Ethiopian_Amhara + Moroccan + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.138214
12 Moroccan + Saudi + Saudi + Somali @ 82.169868
13 Bedouin + Saudi + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.195343
14 Saudi + Saudi + Saudi + Tunisian @ 82.196236
15 Ethiopian_Tigray + Moroccan + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.261223
16 Ethiopian_Amhara + Ethiopian_Amhara + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.294167
17 Bedouin + Saudi + Saudi + Somali @ 82.303970
18 Saudi + Saudi + Somali + Yemenite_Jewish @ 82.323929
19 Ethiopian_Amhara + Ethiopian_Tigray + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.365532
20 Ethiopian_Tigray + Ethiopian_Tigray + Saudi + Saudi @ 82.443451

Done.

Elapsed time 14.0630 seconds.

Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes ANE K7 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this calculator
should be directed to him at his Project Blog. Revised 2014-Sep-12

Kit Number: Z643901 Elapsed Time: 6.33 seconds


Population
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 0.71
West_African -
East_African 5.39
ENF 93.90




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Genealogy and DNA data remains the property of the submitter.
Each Admixture Proportions 'calculator' model remains the property of its developer.

182615 SNPs used in this evaluation

[Ajeje Brazorf]

188,146 SNPs very good quality
bump

[nightrider+]

Whoa, are they really that isolated?

[Gangrel]

This is what Red Sea is based on. Obviously not reflective of modern day Bedouins

[nightrider+]

This is what Red Sea is based on. Obviously not reflective of modern day Bedouins

Where did he state that it's not a modern day one?

[Gangrel]

Where did he state that it's not a modern day one?

Obvious from the result and distance to Bedouin population. Only kits that can get 100 in a single category are the reference kits themselves.

[nightrider+]

Obvious from the result and distance to Bedouin population. Only kits that can get 100 in a single category are the reference kits themselves.

Maybe Bedouins are the reference point for SW Asian in these calculators. They are even used as a modern Basal Eurasian-rich example by professionals.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Whoa, are they really that isolated?

Red_Sea is based on this sample, I think this is the reason why it gives inflated results.


This is what Red Sea is based on. Obviously not reflective of modern day Bedouins

:thumb001:

[nightrider+]

Red_Sea is based on this sample, I think this is the reason why it gives inflated results.


Still a modern sample though.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Where did he state that it's not a modern day one?

This kit on GEDmatch is named "Bedouin B"

[nightrider+]

This kit on GEDmatch is named "Bedouin B"

Bedouin A/B are modern samples.

https://i.imgur.com/yeG50DX.png

[Petalpusher]

This is one of the kit that was used for Red_Sea, it should be modern, however Bedouins have diverse sub groups. This also shows each percent of Red_Sea have about 5% SSA (more eastern SSA) seeing the K7 score.

[nightrider+]

This is one of the kit that was used for Red_Sea, it should be modern, however Bedouins have diverse sub groups. This also shows each percent of Red_Sea have about 5% SSA (more eastern SSA) seeing the K7 score.

East African is SSA from a geography point of view but genetically it's like half-SSA if I'm not mistaken.

[Petalpusher]

East African is SSA from a geography point of view but genetically it's like half-SSA if I'm not mistaken.

We were discussing it with Leto, it's hard to tell but seeing even Pygmies get some E.Africa and they are considered 100% SSA, i think it's just a eastern variant of SS, but could be closer to Eurasians nonetheless. For example horners don't get 100% East African, if it was half they would, even the most SSA influenced Eastern African groups (70% or so at low K)

[nightrider+]

We were discussing it with Leto, it's hard to tell but seeing even Pygmies get some E.Africa and they are considered 100% SSA, i think it's just a eastern variant of SS, but could be closer to Eurasians nonetheless. For example horners don't get 100% East African, if it was half they would, even the most SSA influenced Eastern African groups (70% or so at low K)

Yeah but a Somali for example is far from Pygmies and towards Eurasia and they are known for having Caucasoid influence. I don't know where the East African sample is based though, maybe the more Northeast you go at the Horn, the higher it gets.

https://i.imgur.com/1XRN62M.png

[Petalpusher]

Yeah but a Somali for example is far from Pygmies and towards Eurasia and they are known for having Caucasoid influence. I don't know where the East African sample is based though, maybe the more Northeast you go at the Horn, the higher it gets.

https://i.imgur.com/1XRN62M.png

Yea that's well known Somali in general (not all) are half Eurasian, which is reflected in K15 as they get some East_Med, Red_Sea, and then some East African, so it appears almost fully SSA, at least 75%.

[nightrider+]

Yea that's well known Somali in general (not all) are half Eurasian, which is reflected in K15 as they get some East_Med, Red_Sea, and then some East African, so it appears almost fully SSA, at least 75%.

Ok, I thought they would be like part East, part West African and then some East Med etc.

[Leto]

In my opinion the best calculator for SSA is MDLP World.

[Petalpusher]

Ok, I thought they would be like part East, part West African and then some East Med etc.

I think it's very possibly the case, the substructures inside the SSA is not studied yet, so at this point admixture can just tell how similar they are, obviously they have a very similar thing in common but with something different as well. It could date to ancient times, and some difference in the archaics inputs,..

We are very spoiled in Europe with tons of modern and ancient samples now, but even East Asians are understudied. It's like on 23andme when you get 100% European, applied to Africans and Asians, there is likely way more into that than it seems.

[Leto]

We were discussing it with Leto, it's hard to tell but seeing even Pygmies get some E.Africa and they are considered 100% SSA, i think it's just a eastern variant of SS, but could be closer to Eurasians nonetheless. For example horners don't get 100% East African, if it was half they would, even the most SSA influenced Eastern African groups (70% or so at low K)
From another forum. Half Amhara, half Oromo

1 Northeast_African 48.7
2 Red_Sea 22.63
3 East_Med 18.78
4 Sub-Saharan 5.71
5 West_Med 2.14
6 South_Asian 1.58
7 Oceanian 0.46

1 Ethiopian_Amhara 5.67
2 Ethiopian_Tigray 7.25
3 Ethiopian_Oromo 7.88

[Petalpusher]

From another forum. Half Amhara, half Oromo

1 Northeast_African 48.7
2 Red_Sea 22.63
3 East_Med 18.78
4 Sub-Saharan 5.71
5 West_Med 2.14
6 South_Asian 1.58
7 Oceanian 0.46

1 Ethiopian_Amhara 5.67
2 Ethiopian_Tigray 7.25
3 Ethiopian_Oromo 7.88

It's a good example, close to half Eurasian, half SSA (a bit more). If there is anything else except SSA in this "E.African" it's really not much since we know Somali and Oromo are around that 50% SSA mark, but more the Yoruba type, rather than the red element related to Namibia and Botsanawa. Yet both are ultimately West Africans.

Also it's same SSA type (orange) of Bedouins and N.Africans, the latter being for sure around 20% SSA.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

[happycow]

Sorry to bump this thread with a possibly stupid question, but if this Bedouin is 100% Red Sea then where does the East Med component in modern day Bedouins and Saudis come from?? :confused:

[happycow]

Sorry to bump this thread with a possibly stupid question, but if this Bedouin is 100% Red Sea then where does the East Med component in modern day Bedouins and Saudis come from?? :confused:

Bump for answer to dumb question. Is there an ancient sample that gets 100% East Med on Eurogenes? :confused:

[Leto]

Sorry to bump this thread with a possibly stupid question, but if this Bedouin is 100% Red Sea then where does the East Med component in modern day Bedouins and Saudis come from?? :confused:
Most likely the Red Sea component is based on that sample. Obviously in reality they aren't "100 percent Red Sea".