Viriato LM GENETICS K36 report

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

If you click on the images you can zoom in. I will post my partner's reports next.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

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[FilhoV]

I want to do this test but every time I try to email Lukaz it won’t work it says invalid

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I want to do this test but every time I try to email Lukaz it won’t work it says invalid

Are you using the right e-mail?

contact@lm-genetics.ovh

[FilhoV]

Are you using the right e-mail?

contact@lm-genetics.ovh

Nice I will do it later thru paypal

[FilhoV]

What’s it saying that #1 is Castilla

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What’s it saying that #1 is Castilla

Where and which report?

[Aren]

Weird results for your GF no? Not so close to Iberian samples with the exception of Galicia and closer to Northern Italians overall. Are you both from the same area?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Weird results for your GF no? Not so close to Iberian samples with the exception of Galicia and closer to Northern Italians overall. Are you both from the same area?

Those are mine, I am the guy who is moulded as Galician\Portuguese and French\Northwest Italian. My girl is über-Iberian though, more so than the average Portuguese or Spaniard. She got nearly 90% Iberian autosomally on 23andMe.

[Aren]

Those are mine, I am the guy who is moulded as Galician\Portuguese and French\Northwest Italian. My girl is über-Iberian though, more so than the average Portuguese or Spaniard. She got nearly 90% Iberian autosomally on 23andMe.

I've noticed some Portuguese are actually closer to Italians than Spaniards who are more like your GF. Wonder why though.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I've noticed some Portuguese are actually closer to Italians than Spaniards who are more like your GF. Wonder why though.

Not really, you're just looking into the correlation population section, on other parts of the report I am overall closer to Iberians.

[Aren]

Not really, you're just looking into the correlation population section, on other parts of the report I am overall closer to Iberians.

I meant Portuguese are sometimes closer to Italians than the Spaniards are, not that you are closer to them overall.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I meant Portuguese are sometimes closer to Italians than the Spaniards are, not that you are closer to them overall.

It depends on the individual. Closest populations genetically speaking to Spaniards are also the Portuguese, followed by the French and North Italy so it doesn't differ that much, perhaps only the distances.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Viriato:

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Mrs. Viriato


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Mrs. Viriato only gets Iberian pops on her top 20 matches on the 4 populations approximation :D

[Damião de Góis]

I meant Portuguese are sometimes closer to Italians than the Spaniards are, not that you are closer to them overall.

I think that is down to distance from basques. Galicians might show the same pattern.

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af183/EliasAlucard/Genomics/Eurogenes_Caucasoid_PCA_plot.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I think that is down to distance from basques. Galicians might show the same pattern.

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af183/EliasAlucard/Genomics/Eurogenes_Caucasoid_PCA_plot.jpg

Yes, that's right. Also Galiza, Portugal and Catalonia show the highest averages of northwestern admixture on the peninsula so it may mould them closer to France rather than certain Iberian regions who have really high homogeneous Iberian admixture and not so much admixture from other regions.

[Morena]

Interesting. How was this different from the other blah. I've been drinking.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Interesting. How was this different from the other blah. I've been drinking.

LukaszM has the biggest database of population averages that I know of.

[Kamal900]

Smexy results
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How much did it cost for the report?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Smexy results
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How much did it cost for the report?

It's a bargain. 5 euros (or 6.5 US Dollars).

[FilhoV]

Nice Results just got mine and out results are similar mine happen to drift south and your slightly north

[Rocinante]

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Your results are like those of a portuguese very influenced by the visigoths or suevis. Very high North Sea component. Even your father's North Sea is a bit high IMO. Resultados interessantes irmão.

[Vasconcelos]

As we've seen in the K36 similarity maps your gf and I (Ruderico) have very similar results with pretty much the same correlation trend. Do you have her Global 25 coordinates? I'd really like to see if we cluster together

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

As we've seen in the K36 similarity maps your gf and I (Ruderico) have very similar results with pretty much the same correlation trend. Do you have her Global 25 coordinates? I'd really like to see if we cluster together

Are those coordinates provided with the report?

[Vasconcelos]

Are those coordinates provided with the report?

No, it's a different thing altogether, you get them from Davidski but I don't know how much he's asking now (as in payment), I got mine for 12 euro. G25 coordinates are great, it's probably the best for calculators and it enables you to model yourself with nmonte, do analysis with PAST 3 and so on. It's pretty much the only thing he uses atm if I'm not mistaken.

I'm really curious because I cluster with a few Spanish guys, since your gf's 23andme and K36 results are similar to mine, I suppose she will too. It seems it's mostly people from inner Portugal that have this Spanish-like trend, with less correlation with non-Iberians. Do you have her K15 results, btw?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

No, it's a different thing altogether, you get them from Davidski but I don't know how much he's asking now (as in payment), I got mine for 12 euro. G25 coordinates are great, it's probably the best for calculators and it enables you to model yourself with nmonte, do analysis with PAST 3 and so on. It's pretty much the only thing he uses atm if I'm not mistaken.

I'm really curious because I cluster with a few Spanish guys, since your gf's 23andme and K36 results are similar to mine, I suppose she will too. It seems it's mostly people from inner Portugal that have this Spanish-like trend, with less correlation with non-Iberians. Do you have her K15 results, btw?


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.31
2 Atlantic 25.92
3 West_Med 21.61
4 East_Med 11.52
5 Baltic 4.06
6 Sub-Saharan 2.58
7 Red_Sea 2.58
8 Eastern_Euro 2.39
9 Amerindian 1.19


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.350534
2 Portuguese @ 6.560841
3 Spanish_Cataluna @ 8.017928
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.287719
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.393870
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 8.858844
7 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.137838
8 French @ 11.178081
9 Spanish_Valencia @ 11.980743
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.230803
11 Spanish_Andalucia @ 13.046250
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 13.134858
13 North_Italian @ 13.202457
14 Southwest_French @ 14.112111
15 South_Dutch @ 16.833941
16 West_German @ 17.860662
17 Southwest_English @ 19.474915
18 Tuscan @ 19.566700
19 Southeast_English @ 20.973330
20 Serbian @ 23.138186

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.264176


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.180304


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 6.137641
2 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.180304
3 Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.261798
4 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.264176
5 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.302241
6 Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.304074
7 French + Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.333479
8 Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_German @ 6.348852
9 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.349361
10 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.350534
11 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.369744
12 French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.395925
13 French + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.431467
14 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.437558
15 French + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.440886
16 Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + West_German + West_Scottish @ 6.459673
17 French + Orcadian + Portuguese + Sardinian @ 6.463269
18 French + Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 6.463274
19 French + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian @ 6.469383
20 Sardinian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 6.477280

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Pagar ao Davidski é a única forma? O LukaszM não fará o mesmo?

[Vasconcelos]

Engraçado, o resultado dela no K15 já é bem diferente do meu e muito característico do ocidente..aquele North Sea gigantesco não engana ninguém. O meu mantém mais a tendência do K36 (com um fetiche estranho por Aragão e Bascos)


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.66
2 West_Med 22.82
3 North_Sea 15.44
4 East_Med 9.05
5 Baltic 6.16
6 Red_Sea 4.62
7 Northeast_African 2.90
8 Eastern_Euro 2.17
9 Sub-Saharan 1.05


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Aragon @ 4.667961
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.150952
3 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.897346
4 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.064717
5 Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.080356
6 Southwest_French @ 7.101790
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.859376
8 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.023123
9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.708567
10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.743428
11 Portuguese @ 10.739885
12 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.926400
13 French_Basque @ 13.731232
14 North_Italian @ 15.190049
15 French @ 18.670847
16 Tuscan @ 21.475231
17 South_Dutch @ 22.907410
18 Austrian @ 26.084274
19 Southwest_English @ 26.341728
20 Serbian @ 26.759363

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Aragon +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.667961


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Southwest_French +25% Tunisian @ 3.362905


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Southwest_French @ 3.127435
2 French_Basque + French_Basque + Southwest_French + Tunisian @ 3.362905
3 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.564496
4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Southwest_French @ 3.593437
5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Tunisian @ 3.631227
6 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.637549
7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.704723
8 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.714605
9 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French @ 3.745634
10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cataluna + Tunisian @ 3.760424
11 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.765542
12 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.806783
13 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Tunisian @ 3.832284
14 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.854127
15 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.868355
16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian @ 3.907134
17 French + French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber @ 3.909878
18 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.915656
19 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moroccan + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.920760
20 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.944761

Para compaarção aqui está o resultado de um tipo de umas aldeias em Vila Real

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.56
2 West_Med 18.14
3 North_Sea 16.24
4 East_Med 10.31
5 Eastern_Euro 7.19
6 Red_Sea 4.20
7 Baltic 4.12
8 Northeast_African 1.73
9 Southeast_Asian 1.20






Acho que não, o David trabalha mesmo com a raw data, suponho que ele tenha desenvolvido um algoritmo que converte os dados de cada pessoa num grupo de coordenadas de 25 variáveis (como o K15, K36, etc fazem). O Lukasz só pega nos resultados do K36 e faz as análises estatísticas todas - que também podes fazer, se tiveres os programas, os dados para comparação e se souberes como as coisas funcionam

[Farrukh Hormizd]

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so that's the recipe to make a post-bullying victim douchebag...

or maybe add some creatine so he can be a more convincing wannabe chad?

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/facebook/138/thinking-face_1f914.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

so that's the recipe to make a post-bullying victim douchebag...

or maybe add some creatine so he can be a more convincing wannabe chad?

Who have I bullied?

Talking about "wannabe chad" when you have to go under some anonymous sock account to make a stance...whoever you are.

[Lucas]

???????

[FilhoV]

Viriato:

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Mrs. Viriato


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Mrs. Viriato only gets Iberian pops on her top 20 matches on the 4 populations approximation :D

Mine

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Asturia+Asturia+Asturia+TUIN_Sousse @ 9,53256
2 Andalusia+Asturia+Asturia+TUIN_Sousse @ 9,60195
3 Andalusia+Andalusia+Asturia+TUIN_Sousse @ 9,814095
4 Cantabria+Asturia+Asturia+TUIN_Sousse @ 9,894069
5 Asturia+Asturia+Asturia+TUN_Bizerta @ 9,937851


My wife

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+IT_Ladinia+IT_Ladinia @ 4,704861
2 FR_Corsica+IT_Ladinia+IT_Ladinia+IT_Ladinia @ 4,838466
3 Swiss_Italian+Swiss_Italian+GR_Thrace+GR_Thrace @ 4,844924
4 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+IT_Ladinia+IT_Lombardia @ 4,851493
5 FR_Corsica+Swiss_Italian+Swiss_Italian+GR_Thrace @ 4,854924
6 Swiss_German+FR_Corsica+IT_Lombardia+GR_Kythira @ 4,

[Vasconcelos]

I never cared too much for modern population models, at least for us, while they may make sense for a random person with mixed-Euro background, or from areas in Europe that kind of overlap between different countries. For us a lot of the times they don't really say much - or make sense - or have horrible fits (like yours, 9,53256 is really bad).


Take for example my K15 4-Oracle, all of them have 50% French Basque, which is totally absurd and absolutely wrong. It's just the algorith trying to make up my very western position with something equally western, but since I'm not Basque but a more southern person it then adds a NA pop and fills the rest with some north Iberian population (Cantabria, Aragon, Cataluna) or Southwest French
Even 2-pop models can sometimes be rather wierd:

2-pop Dodecad oracle with okay fits, but I'm obviously not of Cantabrian background despite the algorithm really liking it
[1,] 34.6% IT_Sardinia + 65.4% Cantabria 2.947
[2,] 47.9% Cantabria + 52.1% Galicia 3.0183
[3,] 43.7% Cantabria + 56.3% Portugal 3.048
[4,] 42.5% Cantabria + 57.5% Canarias 3.0561
[5,] 27.6% IT_Sardinia + 72.4% Castilla 3.1086

Admix4 oracle LSM, "meh" fit, again with an odd Cantabrian fetish
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Canarias @ 5,888833
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Cantabria+Canarias+Canarias @ 5,888833

Admix4 oracle Gaussian method
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Extremadura @ 4,221275
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Extremadura+Extremadura+Extremadura @ 4,163567



In the end they tell me nothing other than that I have a clear western/northwestern trend for a native Portuguese, but I already knew that form looking at the PCAs, it's possibly the result of a higher degree of isolation in my ancestral background which is why I get these Basque/Cantabrian/whatever pops showing up and why I get a wierd position in the Celtic VS Germanic PCA from Davidski.

The correlation maps from Lukasz K36 however are much more interesting because they compare your results with others', I wish we could have the same for K15, and especially G25 (although statistical analysis in PAST 3 do that)

[FilhoV]

I never cared too much for modern population models, at least for us, while they may make sense for a random person with mixed-Euro background, or from areas in Europe that kind of overlap between different countries. For us a lot of the times they don't really say much - or make sense - or have horrible fits (like yours, 9,53256 is really bad).


Take for example my K15 4-Oracle, all of them have 50% French Basque, which is totally absurd and absolutely wrong. It's just the algorith trying to make up my very western position with something equally western, but since I'm not Basque but a more southern person it then adds a NA pop and fills the rest with some north Iberian population (Cantabria, Aragon, Cataluna) or Southwest French
Even 2-pop models can sometimes be rather wierd:

2-pop Dodecad oracle with okay fits, but I'm obviously not of Cantabrian background despite the algorithm really liking it
[1,] 34.6% IT_Sardinia + 65.4% Cantabria 2.947
[2,] 47.9% Cantabria + 52.1% Galicia 3.0183
[3,] 43.7% Cantabria + 56.3% Portugal 3.048
[4,] 42.5% Cantabria + 57.5% Canarias 3.0561
[5,] 27.6% IT_Sardinia + 72.4% Castilla 3.1086

Admix4 oracle LSM, "meh" fit, again with an odd Cantabrian fetish
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Canarias @ 5,888833
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Cantabria+Canarias+Canarias @ 5,888833

Admix4 oracle Gaussian method
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Extremadura @ 4,221275
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cantabria+Extremadura+Extremadura+Extremadura @ 4,163567



In the end they tell me nothing other than that I have a clear western/northwestern trend for a native Portuguese, but I already knew that form looking at the PCAs, it's possibly the result of a higher degree of isolation in my ancestral background which is why I get these Basque/Cantabrian/whatever pops showing up and why I get a wierd position in the Celtic VS Germanic PCA from Davidski.

The correlation maps from Lukasz K36 however are much more interesting because they compare your results with others', I wish we could have the same for K15, and especially G25 (although statistical analysis in PAST 3 do that)

Same as well on some calculator oracles I get 60% French Basque + 40% West Sicilian when they use populations such as my 1st on K13 it gives me Spanish_Valencia 88% and 12% Moroccan but when I get Portuguese the secondary population goes down to 5% and when they use Cantabria my secondary goes up to 18% so I fully agree with your statement that these calculators are trying to place you using more than 1 population and as Portuguese this is what we get

I also noticed this with other populations as well