Madeiran Portuguese GEDmatch result! Around 1/8 African.

[Sikeliot]

https://i.imgur.com/uU4asaD.png
https://i.imgur.com/3Z4Q6dn.png


Clearly there are still Madeirans left who have higher SSA, either through the slaves brought to the island or due to migration from Cape Verde.

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.57
2 West_Med 23.4
3 East_Med 15.32
4 Sub-Saharan 11.63
5 Baltic 11.15
6 Northeast_African 3.02
7 West_Asian 2.23
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Oceanian 0.43
10 South_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 14.29
2 Spanish_Extremadura 14.48
3 Spanish_Galicia 14.76
4 North_Italian 14.94
5 Spanish_Murcia 15.44
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.71
7 Spanish_Andalucia 15.99
8 Spanish_Valencia 16.08
9 Spanish_Cataluna 16.14
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.93
11 Tuscan 17.13
12 Spanish_Cantabria 17.43
13 French 19.02
14 Spanish_Aragon 19.11
15 Southwest_French 19.27
16 West_Sicilian 20.61
17 Romanian 21.31
18 Greek_Thessaly 21.44
19 Bulgarian 21.98
20 Serbian 22.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Portuguese + 12.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.26
2 87.1% Portuguese + 12.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.27
3 87.6% Portuguese + 12.4% Mandenka @ 4.35
4 86.6% Portuguese + 13.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.45
5 88.4% Portuguese + 11.6% Yoruban @ 4.55
6 84.2% Spanish_Valencia + 15.8% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.72
7 84.4% Spanish_Valencia + 15.6% Luhya @ 4.77
8 85.1% Spanish_Valencia + 14.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.78
9 86% Portuguese + 14% Luhya @ 4.78
10 86.1% North_Italian + 13.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.78
11 85.9% Portuguese + 14.1% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.8
12 86.7% North_Italian + 13.3% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.8
13 87.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.81
14 87.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.83
15 86.9% North_Italian + 13.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.83
16 86.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 13.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.85
17 85.7% Spanish_Valencia + 14.3% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.98
18 85.5% North_Italian + 14.5% Luhya @ 5.01
19 87.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.4% Mandenka @ 5.02
20 85.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 14.1% Luhya @ 5.07


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.42
2 West_Med 18.97
3 East_Med 13.97
4 North_Sea 12.16
5 Sub-Saharan 11.62
6 Baltic 7.76
7 Eastern_Euro 3.53
8 Northeast_African 3.22
9 Red_Sea 1.96
10 West_Asian 1.3
11 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 15.69
2 Spanish_Andalucia 15.7
3 Spanish_Murcia 15.81
4 Portuguese 16.04
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.04
6 North_Italian 16.09
7 Spanish_Valencia 16.32
8 Spanish_Cataluna 16.86
9 Spanish_Galicia 16.99
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 17.11
11 Spanish_Cantabria 17.87
12 Tuscan 17.99
13 Spanish_Aragon 18.26
14 Southwest_French 18.65
15 West_Sicilian 20.37
16 French 21.29
17 Bulgarian 21.38
18 Greek 21.62
19 Serbian 21.68
20 Romanian 21.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Spanish_Andalucia + 14% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.33
2 86.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.36
3 86.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.2% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.4
4 85.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.6% Luhya @ 5.47
5 85.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.8% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.48
6 87.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.8% Mandenka @ 5.55
7 84.7% Spanish_Valencia + 15.3% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.65
8 84.9% Spanish_Valencia + 15.1% Luhya @ 5.66
9 85.6% Spanish_Valencia + 14.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.68
10 87.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.1% Yoruban @ 5.77
11 85% Spanish_Andalucia + 15% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.83
12 86.2% Spanish_Valencia + 13.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.85
13 84.5% Spanish_Valencia + 15.5% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.86
14 86.4% Spanish_Valencia + 13.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.93
15 86.8% Spanish_Valencia + 13.2% Mandenka @ 6.18
16 87.6% Spanish_Valencia + 12.4% Yoruban @ 6.48
17 86.9% Spanish_Murcia + 13.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.5
18 86.3% Spanish_Murcia + 13.7% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.52
19 87.1% Spanish_Murcia + 12.9% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.52
20 86.1% North_Italian + 13.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.61



MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 30.6
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 19.32
3 Caucasian 18.63
4 Subsaharian 9.25
5 North_African 8.59
6 Near_East 4.41
7 Archaic_African 3.02
8 South_Central_Asian 2.96
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.2
10 East_African 0.63
11 Australoid 0.3
12 Archaic_Human 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portugese ( ) 12.22
2 North_European ( ) 12.27
3 CEU ( ) 12.64
4 Welsh ( ) 12.71
5 English ( ) 12.72
6 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 12.8
7 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 12.99
8 British ( ) 13.19
9 Norwegian_West ( ) 13.47
10 French ( ) 13.52
11 Norwegian_East ( ) 13.52
12 Belgian ( ) 13.74
13 Icelandic ( ) 14
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 14.01
15 Orcadian ( ) 14.16
16 Irish ( ) 14.27
17 Swede ( ) 14.76
18 Frisian ( ) 14.86
19 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 15.3
20 Dane ( ) 15.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.2% Portugese ( ) + 14.8% Afroamerican ( ) @ 4.6
2 86.6% Portugese ( ) + 13.4% African_Caribbean ( ) @ 4.62
3 85.7% Portugese ( ) + 14.3% AA_Denver ( ) @ 4.74
4 87.6% Portugese ( ) + 12.4% Bamoun ( ) @ 4.78
5 87.2% Portugese ( ) + 12.8% Damara ( ) @ 4.78
6 87.5% Portugese ( ) + 12.5% Wambo ( ) @ 4.78
7 87.7% Portugese ( ) + 12.3% Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL ( ) @ 4.78
8 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Bantu_SA_Ovambo ( ) @ 4.78
9 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Fang ( ) @ 4.78
10 87.8% Portugese ( ) + 12.2% Brong ( ) @ 4.79
11 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Himba ( ) @ 4.79
12 87.7% Portugese ( ) + 12.3% Gambian_GWD ( ) @ 4.79
13 87.8% Portugese ( ) + 12.2% Hausa ( ) @ 4.8
14 87.9% Portugese ( ) + 12.1% Mandenka ( ) @ 4.8
15 87.8% Portugese ( ) + 12.2% Igbo ( ) @ 4.8
16 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Kaba ( ) @ 4.81
17 87.2% Portugese ( ) + 12.8% Bantu_SA_Herero ( ) @ 4.81
18 87.9% Portugese ( ) + 12.1% Bambaran ( ) @ 4.82
19 88% Portugese ( ) + 12% Esan_Nigeria_ESN ( ) @ 4.82
20 88% Portugese ( ) + 12% Yoruba ( ) @ 4.82


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 36.24
2 North_European 21.78
3 Caucasus 12.79
4 Sub_Saharan 10.75
5 Northwest_African 7.22
6 Gedrosia 4.64
7 Southwest_Asian 4.29
8 East_African 2.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese (Dodecad) 16.71
2 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 17.25
3 Canarias (1000Genomes) 17.26
4 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.47
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.85
6 Baleares (1000Genomes) 18.45
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.75
8 Murcia (1000Genomes) 18.87
9 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 19.49
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.99
11 Spanish (Dodecad) 20.44
12 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 20.51
13 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.77
14 Spaniards (Behar) 21.07
15 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 21.09
16 Tuscan (HGDP) 22.09
17 French (Dodecad) 22.1
18 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 22.13
19 French (HGDP) 22.14
20 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 22.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 14% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 6.54
2 85.8% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 14.2% LWK30 (Behar) @ 6.55
3 85.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14.6% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 6.73
4 85.2% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14.8% LWK30 (Behar) @ 6.78
5 87.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 12.9% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 6.79
6 86.5% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 13.5% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 6.81
7 87% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 13% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 6.95
8 87.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 12.4% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 6.98
9 85.7% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 14.3% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 7.04
10 85.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 14.5% LWK30 (Behar) @ 7.08
11 86.8% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 13.2% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 7.08
12 87.2% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 12.8% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 7.21
13 84.5% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 15.5% LWK30 (Behar) @ 7.22
14 84.7% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 15.3% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 7.23
15 85.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14.3% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 7.24
16 87.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 12.3% Mandenka (HGDP) @ 7.24
17 86.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 13.6% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 7.31
18 86% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 14% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 7.42
19 88.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 11.9% Yoruba (HGDP) @ 7.43
20 88.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 11.9% YRI30 (HGDP) @ 7.43


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.5
2 NE_Europe 26.35
3 West_Africa 11.04
4 SW_Asia 8.4
5 West_Asia 8.4
6 East_Africa 1.88
7 South_Asia 1.82
8 South_Africa 1.64
9 Siberia 0.36
10 Oceania 0.31
11 Americas 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Bergamo 14.95
2 Puerto_Rican 15.18
3 Italian_Tuscan 15.57
4 Spaniard 15.83
5 Albanian 16.27
6 Macedonian 16.61
7 Greek_Thessaly 16.9
8 Kosovar 17.05
9 Bulgarian 17.1
10 Romanian 18.39
11 Montenegrin 18.57
12 Serbian 18.71
13 Italian_Abruzzo 19.19
14 French 19.47
15 Greek_Central 20.26
16 Bosnian 21.21
17 Croatian 21.45
18 French_Basque 21.81
19 Belgian 22.09
20 Italian_Sicilian 22.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.7% Spaniard + 22.3% Fulani @ 3.12
2 83.8% Spaniard + 16.2% Kaba @ 3.71
3 84.7% Spaniard + 15.3% Bantu_SW @ 3.92
4 83.5% Spaniard + 16.5% Bantu_NE @ 3.92
5 84.9% Spaniard + 15.1% Gambian @ 4.02
6 85.2% Spaniard + 14.8% Mandinka @ 4.21
7 83.2% Spaniard + 16.8% Luo @ 4.22
8 85.4% Spaniard + 14.6% Mende @ 4.29
9 79.1% Italian_Bergamo + 20.9% Fulani @ 4.39
10 85.6% Spaniard + 14.4% Hausa @ 4.43
11 85.7% Spaniard + 14.3% Igbo @ 4.5
12 83.9% Spaniard + 16.1% Bantu_SE @ 4.51
13 70.2% Italian_Bergamo + 29.8% Dominican @ 4.65
14 68.9% Spaniard + 31.1% Dominican @ 4.74
15 84.9% Italian_Bergamo + 15.1% Kaba @ 4.76
16 85.7% Italian_Bergamo + 14.3% Bantu_SW @ 4.76
17 86.2% Spaniard + 13.8% Esan @ 4.78
18 85.9% Italian_Bergamo + 14.1% Gambian @ 4.78
19 86.2% Italian_Bergamo + 13.8% Mandinka @ 4.89
20 86.4% Spaniard + 13.6% Yoruba @ 4.9

[Sikeliot]

I don't think he looks uncommon for Madeira. I'd expect a number of people on the island to score like this.

[Cristiano viejo]

These SSA eyes... just like that Filho :laugh:

[Jana]

I think Cristiano Ronaldo would have similar gedmatch results like this man, due to Cape Verde link.

[Jana]

These SSA eyes... just like that Filho :laugh:

He is not ugly, I think he looks attractive actually :)

[Sikeliot]

I think Cristiano Ronaldo would have similar gedmatch results like this, due to Cape Verde link.

My great grandma should have been similar to this as well, since my grandmother can be modeled as 95% Portuguese, 5% African.

The question is, how much of this ancestry in Madeira is from the slaves brought there directly, versus from ancestry from Cape Verde.

[FilhoV]

These SSA eyes... just like that Filho :laugh:

Obsessed but my results are nothing like his unlike yours with your 20% Amerindian


FilhoV’s Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.65
2 Portuguese 3.6
3 Spanish_Murcia 4.04
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4.31
5 Spanish_Galicia 4.98
6 Spanish_Valencia 5.06
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.11
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.51
9 Spanish_Cataluna 6.16
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.41
11 North_Italian 7.61
12 Spanish_Aragon 8.26
13 Southwest_French 9.84
14 French 12.49
15 Tuscan 13.02
16 West_German 18.59
17 South_Dutch 18.65
18 West_Sicilian 19.31
19 French_Basque 20.09
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.18

Now add some content to the thread or shut the fuck up

[Damião de Góis]

That distance of 14.29 He's about as close to portuguese as i am to West Germans on k13.
This is like posting Lewis Hamilton's results and putting on the title "English Result!".

[Sikeliot]

That distance of 14.29 He's about as close to portuguese as i am to West Germans on k13.
This is like posting Lewis Hamilton's results and putting on the title "English Result!".


When will you get it through your head that Madeirans are not 100% continental Portuguese transplants?

[Damião de Góis]

When will you get it through your head that Madeirans are not 100% continental Portuguese transplants?

But they are. Where do you think they come from? Recent mixed people from Cape Verde or something are not going to change that.

[Sikeliot]

But they are. Where do you think they come from? Recent mixed people from Cape Verde or something are not going to change that.

They absorbed the 10-15% of African slaves brought to the island, and migration from Cape Verde happened in the 1800s. These people got absorbed into the population. I've yet to see a Madeiran person whose result did not have some elevated level of African beyond what is possible for continental Iberia.

Madeira is to Portugal what the Afrikaans people are to the Dutch.

[Cristiano viejo]

Obsessed but my results are nothing like his unlike yours with your 20% Amerindian


Obsessed, says the mongrel, hahahaha, after opening dozens of threads about Spaniards and naming me in another 30 :lol:

I would prefer be 10000% Amerindian than being a dark mongrel with a tiny skull and SSA eyes like you ;)

[FilhoV]

Obsessed, says the mongrel, hahahaha, after opening dozens of threads about Spaniards and naming me in another 30 :lol:

I would prefer be 10000% Amerindian than being a dark mongrel with a tiny skull and SSA eyes like you ;)


Lol my skull is Mesocephyalic you idiot and we all know you are a Sudaca my dna test speaks for itself panchito

Africans are long skulled anyway idiot after all theses years you still can’t classify properly

Typical mindless Sudaca

[Cristiano viejo]

Madeira is to Portugal what the Afrikaans people are to the Dutch.
Dont forget Azores and people as swarthy as this Filho.

[FilhoV]

Azores is Portuguese you stupid sudaca as if Spaniards are any lighter I have yet to see a Raul Blanco or Dani Parejo walking around something common place in your land

[Sikeliot]

Also I will add that this guy got 8% Senegal on AncestryDNA which is consistent with what is known about African slaves in Madeira. They were Senegambian and Sierra Leonean.

If he was Brazilian, or 1/8 Angolan or whatever people are probably thinking, that would not be the case.

[Cristiano viejo]

Azores is Portuguese you stupid sudaca as if Spaniards are any lighter I have yet to see a Raul Blanco or Dani Parejo walking around something common place in your land

Calm down, mongrel. You die with the fact that Raúl or Dani Parejo are extremely atypical Spaniards... while you are typical Azorian ie dark, swarthy and with a tiny head :laugh:

[FilhoV]

Calm down, mongrel. You die with the fact that Raúl or Dani Parejo are extremely atypical Spaniards... while you are typical Azorian ie dark, swarthy and with a tiny head :laugh:

Ok Mario Lopez’s twin whatever you say sub human

[Damião de Góis]

Also I will add that this guy got 8% Senegal on AncestryDNA which is consistent with what is known about African slaves in Madeira. They were Senegambian and Sierra Leonean.

If he was Brazilian, or 1/8 Angolan or whatever people are probably thinking, that would not be the case.

This guy is obviously the result of recent immigration. Slaves were brought in the 16th century and were worked to death. Mixing from that period would not have the results this guy has.
But i've told you this 500000000000000000000000000000000 times already. I don't know what is so complicated about it.

[Sikeliot]

This guy is obviously the result of recent immigration. Slaves were brought in the 16th century and were worked to death. Mixing from that period would not have the results this guy has.
But i've told you this 500000000000000000000000000000000 times already. I don't know what is so complicated about it.

They may have been worked to death but they were raped and bore children first.

What recent immigration do you propose?

Can't be Brazilian. Brazilians don't have Senegambian ancestry, their African side is from Congo/Angola and Nigeria, AND he scores no Amerindian. If it was recent Cape Verdean he'd know.

[Damião de Góis]

They may have been worked to death but they were raped and bore children first.

What recent immigration do you propose?

Can't be Brazilian. Brazilians don't have Senegambian ancestry, their African side is from Congo/Angola and Nigeria, AND he scores no Amerindian. If it was recent Cape Verdean he'd know.

Cape Verde. Even the most famous madeiran has ancestry from there.

[Sikeliot]

Cape Verde. Even the most famous madeiran has ancestry from there.

It's not rare for people from Madeira to have Cape Verdean ancestry from the 1800s or earlier. But everyone must have it then because of all the Madeirans on my grandmother's list, not one has no SSA.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Dont forget Azores and people as swarthy as this Filho.

Açores and Madeira are Portugal, we don't differentiate. A friendly reminder to you, Portugal is a real nation and a real ethno group. On the other hand you're the first to exclude Canarians, Andalucians, Extremenos as real Spaniards and what not whenever it suits you, like the the pseudo-nationalist and regionalist that you are.

[Sikeliot]

Açores and Madeira are Portugal, we don't differentiate. A friendly reminder to you, Portugal is a real nation and a real ethno group. On the other hand you're the first to exclude Canarians, Andalucians, Extremenos as real Spaniards and what not whenever it suits you, like the the pseudo-nationalist and regionalist that you are.

That is fine but the question is why cannot people accept that one of those lands has people who have absorbed other things into the gene pool?

[Cristiano viejo]

Açores and Madeira are Portugal, we don't differentiate. A friendly reminder to you, Portugal is a real nation and a real ethno group. On the other hand you're the first to exclude Canarians, Andalucians, Extremenos as real Spaniards and what not whenever it suits you, like the the pseudo-nationalist and regionalist that you are.

But for the same reason that I differenciate between real Spaniards and Canarians and Andalusians, people of Azores and Madeira are not real Portuguese.

[Leto]

@Sikeliot, use MDLP World to determine black admixture.

[Sikeliot]

But for the same reason that I differenciate between real Spaniards and Canarians and Andalusians, people of Azores and Madeira are not real Portuguese.

They are real Portuguese even if they have SSA because "Portuguese" is their identity, language, culture.

[Sikeliot]

@Sikeliot, use MDLP World to determine black admixture.

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 43.72
2 North_and_East_European 20.72
3 Middle_East 13.5
4 Sub_Saharian 12.25
5 Caucaus_Parsia 6.78
6 Paleo_African 2.19
7 Indian 0.39
8 Melanesian 0.31
9 Mesoamerican 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Puerto-Rican 11.52
2 Portugese 14.88
3 Swiss 15.88
4 Bulgarian 16.17
5 Italian-North 16.39
6 Italian_North 16.43
7 Ashkenazim_V 16.5
8 Provancal 16.73
9 Gagauz 16.75
10 Macedonian 16.84
11 Romania 16.93
12 Montenegrin 17.08
13 Corsican 17.17
14 Iberian 17.39
15 Greek_South 18.05
16 Serbian 18.28
17 Greek_North 18.3
18 Spaniard 19.23
19 Lumbee 19.32
20 Greek_Center 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.6% Portugese + 14.4% Lemba @ 3.85
2 86% Portugese + 14% Bantu @ 4.23
3 84.3% Italian_North + 15.7% Lemba @ 4.29
4 84.8% Italian_North + 15.2% Bantu @ 4.87
5 65.8% French + 34.2% Moroccan @ 5.08
6 87.7% Portugese + 12.3% Yoruba @ 5.18
7 84.3% Provancal + 15.7% Lemba @ 5.19
8 65.9% German-South + 34.1% Moroccan @ 5.24
9 76.5% French + 23.5% Ethiopian @ 5.27
10 86.5% Italian_North + 13.5% Yoruba @ 5.37
11 71.7% Swiss + 28.3% Moroccan @ 5.42
12 60.6% British + 39.4% Moroccan @ 5.55
13 88.4% Portugese + 11.6% Mandenka @ 5.64
14 87.2% Italian_North + 12.8% Mandenka @ 5.73
15 84.8% Provancal + 15.2% Bantu @ 5.81
16 59.8% Orcadian + 40.2% Moroccan @ 5.83
17 76.8% French + 23.2% Jew-Ethiopia @ 5.83
18 85.2% Italian-North + 14.8% Bantu @ 5.95
19 84.8% Italian-North + 15.2% Lemba @ 5.95
20 81.2% Swiss + 18.8% Ethiopian @ 6

[FilhoV]

But for the same reason that I differenciate between real Spaniards and Canarians and Andalusians, people of Azores and Madeira are not real Portuguese.

Stop your autism driven bullshit of anyone here isn’t Iberian it’s you panchito

You have a cloak of invisibility remove the cloack and your just another mongrel Sudaca

deixam de ser Paneleiro

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

That is fine but the question is why cannot people accept that one of those lands has people who have absorbed other things into the gene pool?

Because I have honestly an hard time believing that the guy you posted is a ethnic Portuguese without foreign admixture in the last three to four generations. Since you know him, where is he from? A returnee from Venezuela? A Madeiran from the U.S.? What are his surnames? Posting a kit is not going to be representative of the whole island and for some reason whenever you post a Portuguese kit it always has extremely unusual results like 10 times more the average SSA a normal Iberian would score. I have 50 Portuguese kits or so in my possession that I have been gathering from Gedmatch and no one is even slightly similar to the ones you post in here. I wonder how the Portuguese kits that you always get your hands into are so unusual.

That guy is as close to the average Portuguese sample as I am to France.

[FilhoV]

Açores and Madeira are Portugal, we don't differentiate. A friendly reminder to you, Portugal is a real nation and a real ethno group. On the other hand you're the first to exclude Canarians, Andalucians, Extremenos as real Spaniards and what not whenever it suits you, like the the pseudo-nationalist and regionalist that you are.

It ever dawn on you this burro isn’t a Spaniard?

[Leto]

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 43.72
2 North_and_East_European 20.72
3 Middle_East 13.5
4 Sub_Saharian 12.25
5 Caucaus_Parsia 6.78
6 Paleo_African 2.19
7 Indian 0.39
8 Melanesian 0.31
9 Mesoamerican 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Puerto-Rican 11.52
2 Portugese 14.88
3 Swiss 15.88
4 Bulgarian 16.17
5 Italian-North 16.39
6 Italian_North 16.43
7 Ashkenazim_V 16.5
8 Provancal 16.73
9 Gagauz 16.75
10 Macedonian 16.84
11 Romania 16.93
12 Montenegrin 17.08
13 Corsican 17.17
14 Iberian 17.39
15 Greek_South 18.05
16 Serbian 18.28
17 Greek_North 18.3
18 Spaniard 19.23
19 Lumbee 19.32
20 Greek_Center 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.6% Portugese + 14.4% Lemba @ 3.85
2 86% Portugese + 14% Bantu @ 4.23
3 84.3% Italian_North + 15.7% Lemba @ 4.29
4 84.8% Italian_North + 15.2% Bantu @ 4.87
5 65.8% French + 34.2% Moroccan @ 5.08
6 87.7% Portugese + 12.3% Yoruba @ 5.18
7 84.3% Provancal + 15.7% Lemba @ 5.19
8 65.9% German-South + 34.1% Moroccan @ 5.24
9 76.5% French + 23.5% Ethiopian @ 5.27
10 86.5% Italian_North + 13.5% Yoruba @ 5.37
11 71.7% Swiss + 28.3% Moroccan @ 5.42
12 60.6% British + 39.4% Moroccan @ 5.55
13 88.4% Portugese + 11.6% Mandenka @ 5.64
14 87.2% Italian_North + 12.8% Mandenka @ 5.73
15 84.8% Provancal + 15.2% Bantu @ 5.81
16 59.8% Orcadian + 40.2% Moroccan @ 5.83
17 76.8% French + 23.2% Jew-Ethiopia @ 5.83
18 85.2% Italian-North + 14.8% Bantu @ 5.95
19 84.8% Italian-North + 15.2% Lemba @ 5.95
20 81.2% Swiss + 18.8% Ethiopian @ 6
He's like 14% Negroid. Obviously not a full Portuguese. Even 4% would be a lot for a full one.

[Sikeliot]

Because I have honestly an hard time believing that the guy you posted is a ethnic Portuguese without foreign admixture in the last three to four generations. Since you know him, where is he from? A returnee from Venezuela? A Madeiran from the U.S.? What are his surnames? Posting a kit is not going to be representative of the whole island and for some reason whenever you post a Portuguese kit it always has extremely unusual results like 10 times more the average SSA a normal Iberian would score. I have 50 Portuguese kits or so in my possession that I have been gathering from Gedmatch and no one is even slightly similar to the ones you post in here. I wonder how the Portuguese kits that you always get your hands into are so unusual.

That guy is as close to the average Portuguese sample as I am to France.



Do you have any Madeiran kits? If not, you're just surprised because you don't assume them to have as much SSA as they have. But the norm is more likely 5-6%.

[Sikeliot]

He's like 14% Negroid. Obviously not a full Portuguese. Even 4% would be a lot for a full one.

The reason is that Madeira absorbed ancestry from African slaves.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

But for the same reason that I differenciate between real Spaniards and Canarians and Andalusians, people of Azores and Madeira are not real Portuguese.

Madeirans and Azoreans are 100% Portuguese. I know that for people without a real and solid national identity where everyone cares more about their region than their nation that might sound confusing.

[Sikeliot]

Madeirans and Azoreans are 100% Portuguese. I know that for people without a real and solid national identity where everyone cares more about their region than their nation that might sound confusing.


But why are people then questioning that someone can still be Portuguese from Madeira with higher SSA? I am sure the guy whose result this is, had no idea he'd even score that. Nor does he look mixed. How do you know there aren't people from Madeira you know who might score this way too who don't look anything but Iberian phenotypically?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Do you have any Madeiran kits? If not, you're just surprised because you don't assume them to have as much SSA as they have. But the norm is more likely 5-6%.

To be honest I don't know which Portuguese regions my kits are from, Gedmatch doesn't say that. I do know they are from ethnic Portugueses though, we are fairly homogeneous and it is easy to identify by the names and results. It could be that I have Madeiran kits, it could be that I don't.

Even if the norm was 5%, which I have my reserves about it, it would mean that this guy has more than twice than that reference value.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

But why are people then questioning that someone can still be Portuguese from Madeira with higher SSA? I am sure the guy whose result this is, had no idea he'd even score that. Nor does he look mixed. How do you know there aren't people from Madeira you know who might score this way too who don't look anything but Iberian phenotypically?

That guy doesn't look like your average Madeiran, sorry. Madeirans don't differ phenotypically from mainland Portugueses.

[Sikeliot]

That guy doesn't look like your average Madeiran, sorry. Madeirans don't differ phenotypically from mainland Portugueses.

The town he is from had the highest amount of slaves.

[Damião de Góis]

That guy doesn't look like your average Madeiran, sorry. Madeirans don't differ phenotypically from mainland Portugueses.

Sikeliot thinks hypothetical slave admixture from the 1500s would show now. He believes this guy is an example of a slave descendant from 500 years ago. :laugh:

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot thinks hypothetical slave admixture from the 1500s would show now. He believes this guy is an example of a slave descendant from 500 years ago. :laugh:

It would if everyone had the same amount of it and it's dispersed across the population...

[Leto]

1 North_Atlantic 30.57
2 West_Med 23.4
<...>
5 Baltic 11.15

1 Atlantic_Med 36.24
2 North_European 21.78
Still more Nordic than any of your Sicilians, lol. :lol:

[Sikeliot]

Still more Nordic than any of your Sicilians, lol. :lol:

Sicilians have very low North Euro, so that is not surprising..

[FilhoV]

CV once again spewing shit from his tira flechas mind

[Cristiano viejo]

Madeirans and Azoreans are 100% Portuguese. I know that for people without a real and solid national identity where everyone cares more about their region than their nation that might sound confusing.

No, they are not. And this thread proves it.

[FilhoV]

No, they are not. And this thread proves it.

It only proves that you’re a complete idiot

[FilhoV]

This is why distances are also important in my opinion anything 4 is close once you get into the 10’s it’s pointless

Especially when you look at things in the 20’s

[FilhoV]

I know a few Madeirense people where I currently live and one of their grandfathers was a commercial fisherman who happened to be born in Cape Verde but he was ethnically Portuguese and lived most of his life in Madeira and in the Northeast USA

[skain]

He is Very dark for an octoroon.

[Sikeliot]

I know a few Madeirense people where I currently live and one of their grandfathers was a commercial fisherman who happened to be born in Cape Verde but he was ethnically Portuguese and lived most of his life in Madeira and in the Northeast USA

Madeira is really the only part of Portugal that is actually mixed, I would say. There is said to be Dutch or Frisian input in the Azores but I have not seen this autosomally.

[Damião de Góis]

Madeira is really the only part of Portugal that is actually mixed, I would say. There is said to be Dutch or Frisian input in the Azores but I have not seen this autosomally.

You could also take the kit of a mixed person in Lisbon and make an argument about slaves roaming the streets of Lisbon in the 1500s.

[Leto]

Does the guy actually pass as Portuguese?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Does the guy actually pass as Portuguese?

In all honesty no. We do have exotic types but this is already beyond the exotic spectrum and his extremely atypical genetic results confirm it.

My first guess would be Brazilian or someone mixed from our Goanese diaspora.

[Catarinense1998]

This is why distances are also important in my opinion anything 4 is close once you get into the 10’s it’s pointless

Especially when you look at things in the 20’s

How about a guy who is 4.68 far from basques?And a guy who is 5.59 far from portuguese?

[FilhoV]

Regarding the Azores and Dutch link I call bullshit only one person from São Jorge gets South Dutch at 13.99 on K13 the rest of us are getting 17,18 up to 20.

Also on Tombo.Pt they provide all of the family records prior to 1910 to the public things like baptism records and birth certificates. After 1910 is private.

All of my ancestry that came from continental PT which is all of my ancestry is from Alentejo and Aveiro mainly poor farmers who were promised land to set up farms

[FilhoV]

You could also take the kit of a mixed person in Lisbon and make an argument about slaves roaming the streets of Lisbon in the 1500s.


In all honesty no. We do have exotic types but this is already beyond the exotic spectrum and his extremely atypical genetic results confirm it.

My first guess would be Brazilian or someone mixed from our Goanese diaspora.


Most people in the Azores (Eastern Islands: São Miguel & Santa Maria) are mainly if not all from Alentejo.

Western Islands (Mainly Trás-os-Montes, Bragança, Guarda, Vila Real.

Central: mostly Viseu, Aveiro

[Cristiano viejo]

It only proves that you’re a complete idiot

Sorry, mongrel, but you dont look Portuguese to me. At least the Portuguese that I have seen in North Portugal.
Well, you even dont look European, being honest.

[FilhoV]

Sorry, mongrel, but you dont look Portuguese to me. At least the Portuguese that I have seen in North Portugal.
Well, you even dont look European, being honest.

Says the man that hides behind a computer

I’m more Iberian than you’ll ever be Señor TiraFlechas

Again another lie as if northern Portuguese are any different

Silly Sudaca stop sniffing the coke

[Cristiano viejo]

Says the man that hides behind a computer

I’m more Iberian than you’ll ever be Señor TiraFlechas

Again another lie as if northern Portuguese are any different

Silly Sudaca stop sniffing the coke

You wish, mongrel ;)

[Cristiano viejo]

And dont send me more rep comments, dark being. I am not interested in your complexes :thumb001:

[FilhoV]

And dont send me more rep comments, dark being. I am not interested in your complexes :thumb001:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94


More Iberian then you’ll ever be panchito

I find it funny that all you can think about is me when you go to sleep at night and when you log on

[FilhoV]

Until you post you photo and dna the. You are Peruvian for all we know

What your so afraid of Sr Tiraflechas

[Cristiano viejo]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94


More Iberian then you’ll ever be panchito

I find it funny that all you can think about is me when you go to sleep at night

So your proof to be more Iberian than me it is your distance with my region?? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Plues SSA looking you are really retarded, filho da puta :laugh:

[FilhoV]

So your proof to be more Iberian than me it is your distance with my region?? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Plues SSA looking you are really retarded, filho da puta :laugh:


I can see DNA isn’t your strong suit actually anything that has the use of a brain isn’t much use to you

Looks like the Sudaca is “Triggered” considering it was you who quoted I.

Go kick rocks to make some Flechas

[Cristiano viejo]

I can see DNA isn’t your strong suit actually anything that has the use of a grain isn’t much use to you

Looks like the Sudaca is “Triggered” considering it was you who quoted I.

Go kick rocks to make some Flechas

I like how you dislike sudacas, despite being SSA looking :D
Fortunately a mongrel like you pretending be Iberian lives veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery far of Europe and your pathetic and dark genes will remain there :D

[FilhoV]

And dont send me more rep comments, dark being. I am not interested in your complexes :thumb001:

In your dreams my name is on the kit you retard

You speak as if you are blue eyes and blonde but you are blacked haired and dark browned eyes

Keep deflecting it’s funny considering you are a false

[FilhoV]

My name is on the kit you retard

https://i.imgur.com/JaCouya.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

You speak as if you are blue eyes and blonde but you are blacked haired and dark browned eyes



I dont need to have blue eyes and being blonde to look 8787676556 times lighter than you, dark being. That is not very difficult taking account you look mixed.

[FilhoV]

I dont need to have blue eyes and being blonde to look 8787676556 times lighter than you, dark being. That is not very difficult taking account you look mixed.



But your not I told you 1 million times to create a thread and have the members classify both of us you can even choose the photo of your liking but until then because you’re such a pussy don’t bother me any more until you decide to be a man and do it

What are your afraid of Tira Flechas?

You quote what you want when it suits you but you don’t call my posts when it goes against what you say for example my genetic results


Typical CV trolling .....ends up trolling himself time after time

[Cristiano viejo]

But your not I told you 1 million times to create a thread and have the members classify both of us you can even choose the photo of your liking but until then because you’re such a pussy don’t bother me any more until you decide to be a man and do it

What are your afraid of Tira Flechas?

And what for do you need a thread, if you and everybody know how I look, mongrel?

[FilhoV]

And what for do you need a thread, if you and everybody know how I look, mongrel?

Deflection.

Stop being a massive pussy and do it!

[FilhoV]

Such a pussy it almost comical

[FilhoV]

Just like that the infamous CV sails into the distance with his tail in between his legs ......AGAIN

[Token]

Not Madeiran Portuguese, actual Madeirans plot with northern Portuguese samples.

[Sikeliot]

Not Madeiran Portuguese, actual Madeirans plot with northern Portuguese samples.

So what happened to all of the slaves that were on the island? What about that a significant portion of the mtdna is L?

[Zuh]

Sikeliot thinks hypothetical slave admixture from the 1500s would show now. He believes this guy is an example of a slave descendant from 500 years ago. :laugh:

He's theory could not be very far away tbh around 500 years ago 200,000 Blacks slaves were brought to Mexico where they did go? absorbed into the mestizo population since why the average Mexican is 3-8% SSA without showing traits.

I didn't came to this thread to cause problems and I'm sorry if you see it that way but his theory could be maybe possible I don't know just thrown in my two coins.

[Morena]

I think it's interesting. He looks like what he is.

[Bobby Martnen]

I see it phenotypically

[Cristiano viejo]

Deflection.

Stop being a massive pussy and do it!

It is not need a thread with pictures, I dont want to post my pics openly anymore since complexed people like you, Bobby Martnen, Heathers and some others steal it and try to pass it to other users (you already have tried it, loser :lol:), everybody knows you are a Gypsy compared with me, dont worry :D

[Leto]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94

This goes to show that you have no recent admixture. 2.57 is a pretty small distance.

[FilhoV]

It is not need a thread with pictures, I dont want to post my pics openly anymore since complexed people like you, Bobby Martnen, Heathers and some others steal it and try to pass it to other users (you already have tried it, loser :lol:), everybody knows you are a Gypsy compared with me, dont worry :D

Another deflection smh

I don’t believe anything you say anymore I highly doubt you are who you say you are you have all the makings of a troll and a liar someone like you who is been a member of this group and comments on every single autosomal test but yet doesn’t test himself is always a mark of suspicion

But I’m not surprised you keep deflecting after all you’re a massive liar

[Sikeliot]

He's theory could not be very far away tbh around 500 years ago 200,000 Blacks slaves were brought to Mexico where they did go? absorbed into the mestizo population since why the average Mexican is 3-8% SSA without showing traits.

I didn't came to this thread to cause problems and I'm sorry if you see it that way but his theory could be maybe possible I don't know just thrown in my two coins.


The same thing happened in Madeira.

[Damião de Góis]

He's theory could not be very far away tbh around 500 years ago 200,000 Blacks slaves were brought to Mexico where they did go? absorbed into the mestizo population since why the average Mexican is 3-8% SSA without showing traits.

I didn't came to this thread to cause problems and I'm sorry if you see it that way but his theory could be maybe possible I don't know just thrown in my two coins.

They died and were replaced with new slaves. I'm sure there was some mixing too but not on the scale Sikeliot is suggesting.

[skain]

They may have been worked to death but they were raped and bore children first.

What recent immigration do you propose?

Can't be Brazilian. Brazilians don't have Senegambian ancestry, their African side is from Congo/Angola and Nigeria, AND he scores no Amerindian. If it was recent Cape Verdean he'd know.

Many have. Majority of african slaves in the state of Maranhão were from Senegambia. This girl from Maranhão scored 5% Mali/Senegal. https://adriellesauhzo.com.br/todo-dna-tem-uma-historia-e-qual-e-a-sua/

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://s22.postimg.cc/4lz3kx9cx/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-06-05_212226_www.gedmatch.com.png (https://postimg.cc/image/7g28ydbj1/)

https://s22.postimg.cc/v6wkjjd69/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-06-05_212516_www.facebook.com.png (https://postimg.cc/image/735sv8up9/)


https://s22.postimg.cc/nr2cuovqp/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-06-05_212815_www.facebook.com.png (https://postimages.org/)



Unbiased actual scores from a Madeiran and what the owner of them looks like.

[FilhoV]

She is still scoring very high in the K36 I score 0.00% on that run and so do most of us despite that everything else looks standard

[Cristiano viejo]

Another deflection smh

I don’t believe anything you say anymore I highly doubt you are who you say you are you have all the makings of a troll and a liar someone like you who is been a member of this group and comments on every single autosomal test but yet doesn’t test himself is always a mark of suspicion

But I’m not surprised you keep deflecting after all you’re a massive liar

lol, what a pathetic post-excuse :icon_lol:

Now run and try to pass my pictures to other members, like you already did not many time ago, complexed boy :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

https://s22.postimg.cc/4lz3kx9cx/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-06-05_212226_www.gedmatch.com.png (https://postimg.cc/image/7g28ydbj1/)

https://s22.postimg.cc/v6wkjjd69/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-06-05_212516_www.facebook.com.png (https://postimg.cc/image/735sv8up9/)


https://s22.postimg.cc/nr2cuovqp/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-06-05_212815_www.facebook.com.png (https://postimages.org/)



Unbiased actual scores from a Madeiran and what the owner of them looks like.


How much North African or Red Sea on Dodecad K12b and Eurogenes K13 though? She scores a lot of North African for what most South Euros get on Eurogenes K36, most Sicilians I have only score 2-4% on K36 but higher on the others.

[FilhoV]

lol, what a pathetic post-excuse :icon_lol:

Now run and try to pass my pictures to other members, like you already did not many time ago, complexed boy :thumb001:

I have not sent your photos to anyone and you are the one complexed every post I make you quote.


Deflection #174748949383636

[Cristiano viejo]

I have not sent your photos to anyone and you are the one complexed every post I make you quote.


Deflection #174748949383636
You have tried. Do you want the photo of the pc where you did such thing, complexed boy?

[FilhoV]

Kit form Madeiran man

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013


Admix Results (sorted):


<tbody>
#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
31.73


2
West_Med
29.36


3
East_Med
13.89


4
Baltic
11.12


5
Red_Sea
6.24


6
Sub-Saharan
2.65


7
West_Asian
2.1


8
Northeast_African
2.1


9
Oceanian
0.6


10
East_Asian
0.23

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Spanish_Extremadura
6.95


2
Spanish_Galicia
7.41


3
Portuguese
7.64


4
Spanish_Andalucia
8.54


5
North_Italian
8.76


6
Spanish_Murcia
9.02


7
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
9.09


8
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
9.45


9
Spanish_Valencia
9.62


10
Spanish_Cantabria
10.33


11
Spanish_Cataluna
10.5


12
Southwest_French
12


13
Spanish_Aragon
12.05


14
Tuscan
13.24


15
French
15.49


16
West_Sicilian
18.78


17
Greek_Thessaly
19.77


18
Romanian
20.21


19
Italian_Abruzzo
20.31


20
Serbian
20.95

</tbody>

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

71.4%
Southwest_French
+
28.6%
Moroccan
@
2.6


2

72%
Southwest_French
+
28%
Tunisian
@
2.64


3

71.4%
Southwest_French
+
28.6%
Mozabite_Berber
@
2.75


4

71.3%
Southwest_French
+
28.7%
Algerian
@
2.81


5

75%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
25%
Moroccan
@
3.47


6

75.6%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
24.4%
Tunisian
@
3.66


7

75.1%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
24.9%
Mozabite_Berber
@
3.7


8

75.1%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
24.9%
Algerian
@
3.82


9

82.3%
Spanish_Galicia
+
17.7%
Moroccan
@
3.93


10

82.4%
Spanish_Galicia
+
17.6%
Mozabite_Berber
@
4.07


11

78.6%
Southwest_French
+
21.4%
Egyptian
@
4.11


12

83.2%
Spanish_Galicia
+
16.8%
Tunisian
@
4.26


13

82.7%
Spanish_Galicia
+
17.3%
Algerian
@
4.33


14

84.6%
Spanish_Extremadura
+
15.4%
Moroccan
@
4.49


15

84.8%
Spanish_Extremadura
+
15.2%
Mozabite_Berber
@
4.64


16

79.3%
Southwest_French
+
20.7%
Bedouin
@
4.66


17

75.6%
Spanish_Cataluna
+
24.4%
Moroccan
@
4.76


18

78.1%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
+
21.9%
Moroccan
@
4.78


19

81.9%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
18.1%
Egyptian
@
4.8


20

83%
Portuguese
+
17%
Moroccan
@
4.82



</tbody>

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

How much North African or Red Sea on Dodecad K12b and Eurogenes K13 though? She scores a lot of North African for what most South Euros get on Eurogenes K36, most Sicilians I have only score 2-4% on K36 but higher on the others.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 41.51
2 North_European 22.39
3 Caucasus 11.53
4 Northwest_African 7.08
5 Southwest_Asian 6.39
6 Gedrosia 6.27
7 East_African 2.55
8 Sub_Saharan 1.70


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 7.066963
2 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 7.507102
3 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 7.668044
4 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 9.154533
5 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 9.725975
6 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 10.015538
7 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 10.518061
8 Spanish_Dodecad @ 12.142724
9 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 12.775642
10 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 12.898059
11 Spaniards_Behar @ 12.907460
12 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.302229
13 North_Italian_HGDP @ 13.784476
14 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 14.003068
15 Cantabria_1000Genomes @ 14.817465
16 Valencia_1000Genomes @ 15.455172
17 Aragon_1000Genomes @ 16.025419
18 French_HGDP @ 17.119699
19 French_Dodecad @ 17.188192
20 TSI30_Metspalu @ 19.012829



Nothing unusual, just slightly above average SSA. Nothing close to your "Madeiran".

[Sebastianus Rex]

This is BS, as usual where is the link to that result, Madeirans are regular Portuguese, this guy is (if photo and results are real) is son of a Madeiran/Venezuelan mix, there is huge Madeiran diaspora in Venezuela and many returned because of the situation there in the past decades, but of course you never been to Madeira and know nothing about these things.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Kit form Madeiran man

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013


Admix Results (sorted):


<tbody>
#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
31.73


2
West_Med
29.36


3
East_Med
13.89


4
Baltic
11.12


5
Red_Sea
6.24


6
Sub-Saharan
2.65


7
West_Asian
2.1


8
Northeast_African
2.1


9
Oceanian
0.6


10
East_Asian
0.23

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Spanish_Extremadura
6.95


2
Spanish_Galicia
7.41


3
Portuguese
7.64


4
Spanish_Andalucia
8.54


5
North_Italian
8.76


6
Spanish_Murcia
9.02


7
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
9.09


8
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
9.45


9
Spanish_Valencia
9.62


10
Spanish_Cantabria
10.33


11
Spanish_Cataluna
10.5


12
Southwest_French
12


13
Spanish_Aragon
12.05


14
Tuscan
13.24


15
French
15.49


16
West_Sicilian
18.78


17
Greek_Thessaly
19.77


18
Romanian
20.21


19
Italian_Abruzzo
20.31


20
Serbian
20.95

</tbody>

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

71.4%
Southwest_French
+
28.6%
Moroccan
@
2.6


2

72%
Southwest_French
+
28%
Tunisian
@
2.64


3

71.4%
Southwest_French
+
28.6%
Mozabite_Berber
@
2.75


4

71.3%
Southwest_French
+
28.7%
Algerian
@
2.81


5

75%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
25%
Moroccan
@
3.47


6

75.6%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
24.4%
Tunisian
@
3.66


7

75.1%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
24.9%
Mozabite_Berber
@
3.7


8

75.1%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
24.9%
Algerian
@
3.82


9

82.3%
Spanish_Galicia
+
17.7%
Moroccan
@
3.93


10

82.4%
Spanish_Galicia
+
17.6%
Mozabite_Berber
@
4.07


11

78.6%
Southwest_French
+
21.4%
Egyptian
@
4.11


12

83.2%
Spanish_Galicia
+
16.8%
Tunisian
@
4.26


13

82.7%
Spanish_Galicia
+
17.3%
Algerian
@
4.33


14

84.6%
Spanish_Extremadura
+
15.4%
Moroccan
@
4.49


15

84.8%
Spanish_Extremadura
+
15.2%
Mozabite_Berber
@
4.64


16

79.3%
Southwest_French
+
20.7%
Bedouin
@
4.66


17

75.6%
Spanish_Cataluna
+
24.4%
Moroccan
@
4.76


18

78.1%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
+
21.9%
Moroccan
@
4.78


19

81.9%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
18.1%
Egyptian
@
4.8


20

83%
Portuguese
+
17%
Moroccan
@
4.82



</tbody>


That's tge way to do it, you posted actual redults taken from a website, unlike Sikeliot who always post unlinked abnormal results because since day 1 he has an agenda of passing PORTUGUESE islanders for Cape Verdians like his grandparents. How this compulsive liar was not perma banned is a mistery to me. $$$ :rolleyes:

[StonyArabia]

This is BS, as usual where is the link to that result, Madeirans are regular Portuguese, this guy is (if photo and results are real) is son of a Madeiran/Venezuelan mix, there is huge Madeiran diaspora in Venezuela and many returned because of the situation there in the past decades, but of course you never been to Madeira and know nothing about these things.

He does not score Amerindian though

[FilhoV]

Looks like the guy had a Cape Verdean great grandfather who was likely a mulatto

[Sebastianus Rex]

He does not score Amerindian though

So what, many Venezuelans dont.

[mitalit]

How big is the difference between a peninsular Portuguese and a Madeira person? Is it equivalent to the difference between a Greek and a Greek Cypriot?

[El_Jibaro]

How big is the difference between a peninsular Portuguese and a Madeira person? Is it equivalent to the difference between a Greek and a Greek Cypriot?

Cypriot Greeks are basically like Hellenized ancient Anatolians/Levantines. Greek colonization was very successful but not genetically speaking.

Madeirans are genetically identical to mainland Portuguese aside from some isolated cases of extra SSA from the slave trade or mixing with Cabo Verdeans.


.

[RogueState]

I would have thought that such ratio of 7/8 Portuguese + 1/8 SSA would put them closer to North Africans in terms of genetical distance, but I see they still are not part of the top 20 of closest populations

[Didac]

https://i.imgur.com/uU4asaD.png
https://i.imgur.com/3Z4Q6dn.png


Clearly there are still Madeirans left who have higher SSA, either through the slaves brought to the island or due to migration from Cape Verde.

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.57
2 West_Med 23.4
3 East_Med 15.32
4 Sub-Saharan 11.63
5 Baltic 11.15
6 Northeast_African 3.02
7 West_Asian 2.23
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Oceanian 0.43
10 South_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 14.29
2 Spanish_Extremadura 14.48
3 Spanish_Galicia 14.76
4 North_Italian 14.94
5 Spanish_Murcia 15.44
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.71
7 Spanish_Andalucia 15.99
8 Spanish_Valencia 16.08
9 Spanish_Cataluna 16.14
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.93
11 Tuscan 17.13
12 Spanish_Cantabria 17.43
13 French 19.02
14 Spanish_Aragon 19.11
15 Southwest_French 19.27
16 West_Sicilian 20.61
17 Romanian 21.31
18 Greek_Thessaly 21.44
19 Bulgarian 21.98
20 Serbian 22.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Portuguese + 12.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.26
2 87.1% Portuguese + 12.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.27
3 87.6% Portuguese + 12.4% Mandenka @ 4.35
4 86.6% Portuguese + 13.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.45
5 88.4% Portuguese + 11.6% Yoruban @ 4.55
6 84.2% Spanish_Valencia + 15.8% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.72
7 84.4% Spanish_Valencia + 15.6% Luhya @ 4.77
8 85.1% Spanish_Valencia + 14.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.78
9 86% Portuguese + 14% Luhya @ 4.78
10 86.1% North_Italian + 13.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.78
11 85.9% Portuguese + 14.1% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.8
12 86.7% North_Italian + 13.3% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.8
13 87.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.81
14 87.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.83
15 86.9% North_Italian + 13.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.83
16 86.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 13.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.85
17 85.7% Spanish_Valencia + 14.3% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.98
18 85.5% North_Italian + 14.5% Luhya @ 5.01
19 87.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.4% Mandenka @ 5.02
20 85.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 14.1% Luhya @ 5.07


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.42
2 West_Med 18.97
3 East_Med 13.97
4 North_Sea 12.16
5 Sub-Saharan 11.62
6 Baltic 7.76
7 Eastern_Euro 3.53
8 Northeast_African 3.22
9 Red_Sea 1.96
10 West_Asian 1.3
11 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 15.69
2 Spanish_Andalucia 15.7
3 Spanish_Murcia 15.81
4 Portuguese 16.04
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.04
6 North_Italian 16.09
7 Spanish_Valencia 16.32
8 Spanish_Cataluna 16.86
9 Spanish_Galicia 16.99
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 17.11
11 Spanish_Cantabria 17.87
12 Tuscan 17.99
13 Spanish_Aragon 18.26
14 Southwest_French 18.65
15 West_Sicilian 20.37
16 French 21.29
17 Bulgarian 21.38
18 Greek 21.62
19 Serbian 21.68
20 Romanian 21.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Spanish_Andalucia + 14% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.33
2 86.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.36
3 86.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.2% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.4
4 85.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.6% Luhya @ 5.47
5 85.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.8% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.48
6 87.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.8% Mandenka @ 5.55
7 84.7% Spanish_Valencia + 15.3% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.65
8 84.9% Spanish_Valencia + 15.1% Luhya @ 5.66
9 85.6% Spanish_Valencia + 14.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.68
10 87.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.1% Yoruban @ 5.77
11 85% Spanish_Andalucia + 15% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.83
12 86.2% Spanish_Valencia + 13.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.85
13 84.5% Spanish_Valencia + 15.5% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.86
14 86.4% Spanish_Valencia + 13.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.93
15 86.8% Spanish_Valencia + 13.2% Mandenka @ 6.18
16 87.6% Spanish_Valencia + 12.4% Yoruban @ 6.48
17 86.9% Spanish_Murcia + 13.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.5
18 86.3% Spanish_Murcia + 13.7% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.52
19 87.1% Spanish_Murcia + 12.9% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.52
20 86.1% North_Italian + 13.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.61



MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 30.6
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 19.32
3 Caucasian 18.63
4 Subsaharian 9.25
5 North_African 8.59
6 Near_East 4.41
7 Archaic_African 3.02
8 South_Central_Asian 2.96
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.2
10 East_African 0.63
11 Australoid 0.3
12 Archaic_Human 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portugese ( ) 12.22
2 North_European ( ) 12.27
3 CEU ( ) 12.64
4 Welsh ( ) 12.71
5 English ( ) 12.72
6 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 12.8
7 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 12.99
8 British ( ) 13.19
9 Norwegian_West ( ) 13.47
10 French ( ) 13.52
11 Norwegian_East ( ) 13.52
12 Belgian ( ) 13.74
13 Icelandic ( ) 14
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 14.01
15 Orcadian ( ) 14.16
16 Irish ( ) 14.27
17 Swede ( ) 14.76
18 Frisian ( ) 14.86
19 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 15.3
20 Dane ( ) 15.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.2% Portugese ( ) + 14.8% Afroamerican ( ) @ 4.6
2 86.6% Portugese ( ) + 13.4% African_Caribbean ( ) @ 4.62
3 85.7% Portugese ( ) + 14.3% AA_Denver ( ) @ 4.74
4 87.6% Portugese ( ) + 12.4% Bamoun ( ) @ 4.78
5 87.2% Portugese ( ) + 12.8% Damara ( ) @ 4.78
6 87.5% Portugese ( ) + 12.5% Wambo ( ) @ 4.78
7 87.7% Portugese ( ) + 12.3% Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL ( ) @ 4.78
8 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Bantu_SA_Ovambo ( ) @ 4.78
9 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Fang ( ) @ 4.78
10 87.8% Portugese ( ) + 12.2% Brong ( ) @ 4.79
11 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Himba ( ) @ 4.79
12 87.7% Portugese ( ) + 12.3% Gambian_GWD ( ) @ 4.79
13 87.8% Portugese ( ) + 12.2% Hausa ( ) @ 4.8
14 87.9% Portugese ( ) + 12.1% Mandenka ( ) @ 4.8
15 87.8% Portugese ( ) + 12.2% Igbo ( ) @ 4.8
16 87.3% Portugese ( ) + 12.7% Kaba ( ) @ 4.81
17 87.2% Portugese ( ) + 12.8% Bantu_SA_Herero ( ) @ 4.81
18 87.9% Portugese ( ) + 12.1% Bambaran ( ) @ 4.82
19 88% Portugese ( ) + 12% Esan_Nigeria_ESN ( ) @ 4.82
20 88% Portugese ( ) + 12% Yoruba ( ) @ 4.82


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 36.24
2 North_European 21.78
3 Caucasus 12.79
4 Sub_Saharan 10.75
5 Northwest_African 7.22
6 Gedrosia 4.64
7 Southwest_Asian 4.29
8 East_African 2.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese (Dodecad) 16.71
2 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 17.25
3 Canarias (1000Genomes) 17.26
4 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.47
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.85
6 Baleares (1000Genomes) 18.45
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.75
8 Murcia (1000Genomes) 18.87
9 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 19.49
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.99
11 Spanish (Dodecad) 20.44
12 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 20.51
13 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.77
14 Spaniards (Behar) 21.07
15 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 21.09
16 Tuscan (HGDP) 22.09
17 French (Dodecad) 22.1
18 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 22.13
19 French (HGDP) 22.14
20 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 22.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 14% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 6.54
2 85.8% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 14.2% LWK30 (Behar) @ 6.55
3 85.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14.6% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 6.73
4 85.2% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14.8% LWK30 (Behar) @ 6.78
5 87.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 12.9% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 6.79
6 86.5% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 13.5% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 6.81
7 87% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 13% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 6.95
8 87.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 12.4% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 6.98
9 85.7% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 14.3% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 7.04
10 85.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 14.5% LWK30 (Behar) @ 7.08
11 86.8% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 13.2% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 7.08
12 87.2% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 12.8% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 7.21
13 84.5% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 15.5% LWK30 (Behar) @ 7.22
14 84.7% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 15.3% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 7.23
15 85.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14.3% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 7.24
16 87.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 12.3% Mandenka (HGDP) @ 7.24
17 86.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 13.6% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 7.31
18 86% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 14% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 7.42
19 88.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 11.9% Yoruba (HGDP) @ 7.43
20 88.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 11.9% YRI30 (HGDP) @ 7.43


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.5
2 NE_Europe 26.35
3 West_Africa 11.04
4 SW_Asia 8.4
5 West_Asia 8.4
6 East_Africa 1.88
7 South_Asia 1.82
8 South_Africa 1.64
9 Siberia 0.36
10 Oceania 0.31
11 Americas 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Bergamo 14.95
2 Puerto_Rican 15.18
3 Italian_Tuscan 15.57
4 Spaniard 15.83
5 Albanian 16.27
6 Macedonian 16.61
7 Greek_Thessaly 16.9
8 Kosovar 17.05
9 Bulgarian 17.1
10 Romanian 18.39
11 Montenegrin 18.57
12 Serbian 18.71
13 Italian_Abruzzo 19.19
14 French 19.47
15 Greek_Central 20.26
16 Bosnian 21.21
17 Croatian 21.45
18 French_Basque 21.81
19 Belgian 22.09
20 Italian_Sicilian 22.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.7% Spaniard + 22.3% Fulani @ 3.12
2 83.8% Spaniard + 16.2% Kaba @ 3.71
3 84.7% Spaniard + 15.3% Bantu_SW @ 3.92
4 83.5% Spaniard + 16.5% Bantu_NE @ 3.92
5 84.9% Spaniard + 15.1% Gambian @ 4.02
6 85.2% Spaniard + 14.8% Mandinka @ 4.21
7 83.2% Spaniard + 16.8% Luo @ 4.22
8 85.4% Spaniard + 14.6% Mende @ 4.29
9 79.1% Italian_Bergamo + 20.9% Fulani @ 4.39
10 85.6% Spaniard + 14.4% Hausa @ 4.43
11 85.7% Spaniard + 14.3% Igbo @ 4.5
12 83.9% Spaniard + 16.1% Bantu_SE @ 4.51
13 70.2% Italian_Bergamo + 29.8% Dominican @ 4.65
14 68.9% Spaniard + 31.1% Dominican @ 4.74
15 84.9% Italian_Bergamo + 15.1% Kaba @ 4.76
16 85.7% Italian_Bergamo + 14.3% Bantu_SW @ 4.76
17 86.2% Spaniard + 13.8% Esan @ 4.78
18 85.9% Italian_Bergamo + 14.1% Gambian @ 4.78
19 86.2% Italian_Bergamo + 13.8% Mandinka @ 4.89
20 86.4% Spaniard + 13.6% Yoruba @ 4.9





You’ve basically found Cristiano Ronalodo’s gedmatch

[Leto]

You’ve basically found Cristiano Ronalodo’s gedmatch
To me he doesn't show any black influence, though it might be there genetically. His Spanish girlfriend is just as dark as he is, perhaps even more tanned
https://eu-images.contentstack.com/v3/assets/bltcc7a7ffd2fbf71f5/blt3e83b9a424b6d9e0/60db75fec5c41538a153612f/64adb20d72ebdd91fa76d92ffad161128f69d427.png?auto= webp&fit=crop&format=jpg&height=800&quality=60&width=1200

[Didac]

To me he doesn't show any black influence, though it might be there genetically. His Spanish girlfriend is just as dark as he is, perhaps even more tanned
https://eu-images.contentstack.com/v3/assets/bltcc7a7ffd2fbf71f5/blt3e83b9a424b6d9e0/60db75fec5c41538a153612f/64adb20d72ebdd91fa76d92ffad161128f69d427.png?auto= webp&fit=crop&format=jpg&height=800&quality=60&width=1200


Lol first of all his gf isn’t Spanish she’s from Argentina and has Amerindian dna. Second I agree he doesn’t show any black influences phenotypically except his curly hair which was white curly when he was a child but facial structure and features wise he doesn’t show any ssa and is completely south euro except his hair

[Cristiano viejo]

To me he doesn't show any black influence, though it might be there genetically. His Spanish girlfriend is just as dark as he is, perhaps even more tanned

You said Spanish like I can say she is Russian.

[Leto]

Lol first of all his gf isn’t Spanish she’s from Argentina and has Amerindian dna. Second I agree he doesn’t show any black influences phenotypically except his curly hair which was white curly when he was a child but facial structure and features wise he doesn’t show any ssa and is completely south euro except his hair
Sorry, I got her nationality from Wikipedia


He is in a relationship with Spanish model Georgina Rodríguez, a former shop assistant,[525] who gave birth to their daughter Alana Martina, on 12 November 2017.[526] In October 2021, Ronaldo announced the family would be expecting a second pair of twins.[527]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo#Personal_life