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Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 08:45 PM
Self declared negroes in Brazil: 14.739.963

But everyone knows that light blacks / mulattos etc are seen as morenos and not preto. These people call themselves pardos. If there was one drop rule in Latam, these creatures would declare themselves black

These people have the biggest identity crisis in Brazil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyAeZ-PB5gY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfM4MAI4uI

While in USA they would be just niggas.

Alvorada Potente
06-03-2018, 08:48 PM
mulatos cant be counted as black the same reason they cant count as european.

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 08:53 PM
mulatos cant be counted as black the same reason they cant count as european.

I am not a mulatto and in my documents it says that I am pardo. LOL. My sister was born lighter than me and claims to be parda, but to me she's PRETA. Colorism is present in Brazil, its like you are preto or moreno.

These videos are very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGGaLz_NYDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMvK-nz1T1w

Jolsonaro
06-03-2018, 08:54 PM
But these are self declared negroes. In fact it is more easy to find a pure white in Brazil than a pure black. Maybe the only places with big concentratios of pure blacks in Brazil is some places in the states of Bahia, Minas Gerais and Rio de Janeiro and most of them are very poor.

Alvorada Potente
06-03-2018, 08:55 PM
Mulatos are an type of Pardo and Colorism is something imported from USA by leftists.

Latinus
06-03-2018, 09:06 PM
But these are self declared negroes. In fact it is more easy to find a pure white in Brazil than a pure black. Maybe the only places with big concentratios of pure blacks in Brazil is some places in the states of Bahia, Minas Gerais and Rio de Janeiro and most of them are very poor.

In the US, pure Aframs aren't common either.

Jolsonaro
06-03-2018, 09:16 PM
Mulatos are an type of Pardo and Colorism is something imported from USA by leftists.

"Pardo" is not a good term because it is used for skin and the skin color don't means much things genetically. Also other problem with the world "pardo" is that it is used for both triracial/mulato but also for mestizos who are clearly different, so because of that, most of the time we cannot know acurately the number of mestizos in Brazil since in many researchs they say they are "pardo".... So, there had to be the "mestizo" option most often in racial researches

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 09:18 PM
But these are self declared negroes. In fact it is more easy to find a pure white in Brazil than a pure black. Maybe the only places with big concentratios of pure blacks in Brazil is some places in the states of Bahia, Minas Gerais and Rio de Janeiro and most of them are very poor.

Mulattoes and light blacks claims to be moreninhos and pardos here in Rio. By US standard they would be black. Many cariocas is a mulatto claiming to be pardos. U need to be too dark to be seen as preto here. We dont have one drop rules. Brazil would be very black by US standards, plenty of blacks here self declared pardos coz they are light skinned.

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 09:24 PM
"Pardo" is not a good term because it is used for skin and the skin color don't means much things genetically. Also other problem with the world "pardo" is that it is used for both triracial/mulato but also for mestizos who are clearly different, so because of that, most of the time we cannot know acurately the number of mestizos in Brazil since in many researchs they say they are "pardo".... So, there had to be the "mestizo" option most often in racial researches

Dont worry, mestizo(caboclos) used to appear in our old census and they werent larger than tri racials:
https://i.imgur.com/bGOBSTW.png

Kriptc06
06-03-2018, 09:34 PM
perdi alguns neuronios escutando esses videos.

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 09:36 PM
" This “policy” makes it very difficult for black people with lighter skin to affirm their blackness; because here we have different names for melanin tones present in the skin. For example: mulatto ,
moreno, mameluco and so on.
When I discovered myself as Black, after a long journey of self-discovery and recognition of my roots, the first sentence I heard from a white person was, “You are not Black! You are not dark enough to be Black”; as if Blackness were linked only to the amount of melanin in our skin. Blackness is something much deeper, which is intimately linked to the consciousness of who you are, your history, your people and, for the lighter ones, recognition and abdication of every privilege that our smaller amount of melanin can offer us."
http://www.truecultureuniversity.com/news-bedford/2017/7/18/being-black-in-brazil

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 09:44 PM
I would be very offended to be called mulatinha. Its just a way that our system tries to divide our blackness cause Brazil is known for the whitening. A lot of youtubers makes videos like "i found out im black" lol these light skinned who claims to be pardos.

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 09:59 PM
Neymar once said he never been a victim of racism coz hes not preto lol
now i see hes claiming to be preto prob because he doesnt live in brazil anyone
in europe and usa that pardo is a light skinned nigger

Carlito's Way
06-03-2018, 10:04 PM
yeah, thats because there is no one drop rule in brazil, but if it were then brazil would be a lot blacker than it is right now

Below are 7 portraits of participants, who self identify themselves as blacks

biracial
https://i.imgur.com/EezyP9C.png


blasian
https://i.imgur.com/n5h1FsE.png



biracial from Jamaica
https://i.imgur.com/3nKJRww.png



African American
https://i.imgur.com/DWUNMMO.png



Cape Verde-American
https://i.imgur.com/DvFHUva.png




African American
https://i.imgur.com/FOxQpsn.png



Curacao
https://i.imgur.com/lbMGWvR.png

Kriptc06
06-03-2018, 10:06 PM
yeah, thats because there is no one drop rule in brazil, but if it were then brazil would be a lot blacker than it is right now

Below are 7 portraits of participants, who self identify themselves as blacks


I'm mixed, should I identify as black?

Aren
06-03-2018, 10:12 PM
Lol nearly all of the so called "pardos" would be seen as Blacks anywhere in Europe or North America.

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:13 PM
I'm mixed, should I identify as black?

You don't look mixed...

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:14 PM
Pardos are Black 90% of the time. Many "Whites" in Brazil are also Black.

Acubens
06-03-2018, 10:14 PM
Brazil is a negroid country that is probably more than 95% nigger. The only whites there live isolated from the masses of Africans.

Kriptc06
06-03-2018, 10:15 PM
You don't look mixed...

just cus I dont look, doenst mean I dont have black in me family, I do in fact, by both my maternal grandparents. and also native americans

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:17 PM
Brazil is a negroid country that is probably more than 95% nigger. The only whites there live isolated from the masses of Africans.

Brazil is ours, nigga.

Acubens
06-03-2018, 10:20 PM
Brazil is ours, nigga.

But you blacks are dominated by whites even in 90%+ nigger countries like Brazil, Cuba, South Africa etc

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:21 PM
just cus I dont look, doenst mean I dont have black in me family, I do in fact, by both my maternal grandparents. and also native americans

That doesn't matter though. Not saying this to sound annoying, but it's just a fact. If you don't look Black in the slightest, you should not identify as Black in anyway.

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:22 PM
But you blacks are dominated by whites even in 90%+ nigger countries like Brazil, Cuba, South Africa etc

Well, better than not being the majority. Jews dominate anglos in America, Muslims dominated Spaniards. What truly matters is we remain the majority. We can take over when time is due.

Kriptc06
06-03-2018, 10:24 PM
That doesn't matter though. Not saying this to sound annoying, but it's just a fact. If you don't look Black in the slightest, you should not identify as Black in anyway.

that's stupid honestly, it's like me telling you "you dont look swedish in the slightest and shouldn't identify with it"

Acubens
06-03-2018, 10:25 PM
Well, better than not being the majority. Jews dominate anglos in America, Muslims dominated Spaniards. What truly matters is we remain the majority. We can take over when time is due.

When you guys take over the place will be even shittier than it is now. Just like Haiti, they kicked the whites and are now a dump. Blacks are subhumans

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 10:28 PM
yeah, thats because there is no one drop rule in brazil, but if it were then brazil would be a lot blacker than it is right now

Below are 7 portraits of participants, who self identify themselves as blacks

biracial
https://i.imgur.coeyP9C.png


blasian
https://i.imgur51FsE.png



biracial from Jamaica
https://i.imgur.JRww.png



African American
https://i.imgurWNMMO.png



Cape Verde-American
https://i.imgurDvFUva.png




African American
https://i.imgur.coOxsn.png



Curacao
https://i.imgur.comGWvR.png

Light skinned Brazilian ssa that found out to be black lol


" This “policy” makes it very difficult for black people with lighter skin to affirm their blackness; because here we have different names for melanin tones present in the skin. For example: mulatto ,
moreno, mameluco and so on.
When I discovered myself as Black, after a long journey of self-discovery and recognition of my roots, the first sentence I heard from a white person was, “You are not Black! You are not dark enough to be Black”; as if Blackness were linked only to the amount of melanin in our skin. Blackness is something much deeper, which is intimately linked to the consciousness of who you are, your history, your people and, for the lighter ones, recognition and abdication of every privilege that our smaller amount of melanin can offer us."
http://www.truecultureuniversity.com/news-bedford/2017/7/18/being-black-in-brazil

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:49 PM
When you guys take over the place will be even shittier than it is now. Just like Haiti, they kicked the whites and are now a dump. Blacks are subhumans

I disagree. Haiti was a tiny Black nation in the middle of predatory White supremacist states. Things won't be the same when autarchic countries like Brazil are dominated by Blacks.

Black Panther
06-03-2018, 10:50 PM
that's stupid honestly, it's like me telling you "you dont look swedish in the slightest and shouldn't identify with it"

Well, the thing is I actually look part Swedish to any trained eye. But I don't see any black in you.

Kriptc06
06-03-2018, 10:53 PM
Well, the thing is I actually look part Swedish to any trained eye. But I don't see any black in you.

I say the same about the black and native in me.

Heather Duval
06-03-2018, 10:53 PM
Pardo here are brown skinned
Black is too dark ones
Whites are basilly everyone with white skin even Selena Gomez would be self declared white here

Acubens
06-03-2018, 10:59 PM
Well, the thing is I actually look part Swedish to any trained eye. But I don't see any black in you.

You don't look Swedish. You look Mexican or Latino in general if you're the guy on the pic. You don't even look very black tbh and can't pass in Africa or even as black American. They would guess you as Mexican or other type of Latino.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 03:44 AM
You don't look Swedish. You look Mexican or Latino in general if you're the guy on the pic. You don't even look very black tbh and can't pass in Africa or even as black American. They would guess you as Mexican or other type of Latino.

he looks less ssa than self declared pardos in Rio de janeiro
also pardos here have ssa enough to be fucking brown and be mistake for light skinned nigga outside brazil
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

Acubens
06-04-2018, 03:51 AM
he looks less ssa than self declared pardos in Rio de janeiro
also pardos here have ssa enough to be fucking brown and be mistake for light skinned nigga outside brazil
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

Maybe because he is part Swedish. Portuguese or Italians may not be white enough to make pardos look white. According to genetic studies I read in the Argentinian thread the average Brazilian is 70-73% european but most of your football team is very brown.


When I called him black I wasn't paying attention to his picture. This guy is not black.

RMuller
06-04-2018, 04:13 AM
Dont worry, mestizo(caboclos) used to appear in our old census and they werent larger than tri racials:
https://i.imgur.com/bGOBSTW.png

9% Cablocos "mestizos" in 1890 is way more than i thought. I would have guessed 3% max.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 04:23 AM
9% Cablocos "mestizos" in 1890 is way more than i thought. I would have guessed 3% max.

Why?

RMuller
06-04-2018, 04:25 AM
Why?

Because i never see in Brazil 'mestizo" ,cabloco" %, so i thought they are probably rare.

Lamoral
06-04-2018, 04:29 AM
The only thing I know about Brazil, is that 1. they supposedly have the women with the roundest and thickest asses in the world, and 2. parts of their cities are horrifically dangerous, but other parts of the country are beautiful. I've never been there. That's all I know, or care, about Brazil. Not the worst thing a country could be known for. Oh and their football. (Yes, I'm American, but I do call it football, the rest of the world does.)

Black Panther
06-04-2018, 02:09 PM
he looks less ssa than self declared pardos in Rio de janeiro
also pardos here have ssa enough to be fucking brown and be mistake for light skinned nigga outside brazil
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

According to Quicas, I am among the darkest 20% of Brazilians because Brazilians are as White as meds, lol.

Black Panther
06-04-2018, 02:09 PM
Because i never see in Brazil 'mestizo" ,cabloco" %, so i thought they are probably rare.

Mestizos are still around 10-12% of Brazil. A large minority.

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:12 PM
he looks less ssa than self declared pardos in Rio de janeiro
also pardos here have ssa enough to be fucking brown and be mistake for light skinned nigga outside brazil
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

Interesting statistic.Next month I will get my DNA test finally.

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 02:14 PM
Interesting statistic.Next month I will get my DNA test finally.

I'll cross my fingers for you, correios is bullshit, never mention "material biologico" or "Genetico"

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:15 PM
I'll cross my fingers for you, correios is bullshit, never mention "material biologico" or "Genetico"

lol.I will send via Fedex.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:15 PM
Interesting statistic.Next month I will get my DNA test finally.

God bless you, good morning.

renaissance12
06-04-2018, 02:16 PM
Is there racism in Brasil ?
What do brasilians think of europe ?

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:16 PM
God bless you, good morning.

You are christian now - I am proud about you.

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 02:17 PM
lol.I will send via Fedex.

k den

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:18 PM
k den

How do you sent your DNA kit to USA?

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:19 PM
You are christian now - I am proud about you.

Its ok. If you notice that statistic it makes a lot of sense. Black in that studies are in average 41% European. And indeed most self declared blacks in Brazil scored that %, look at this one
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?242383-Black-Brazilian-from-Bahia-23andme-results

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 02:20 PM
How do you sent your DNA kit to USA?

I hired a private company after getting rechaçado by correios. FedEx should do the trick

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:21 PM
Its ok. If you notice that statistic it makes a lot of sense. Black in that studies are in average 41% European. And indeed most self declared blacks in Brazil scored that %, look at this one
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?242383-Black-Brazilian-from-Bahia-23andme-results

It is true.Neguinho da beija-flor de Lilianeópolis é 67% europeu:
http://www.bbc.com/portuguese/reporterbbc/story/2007/05/070424_dna_neguinho_cg.shtml

Jolsonaro
06-04-2018, 02:24 PM
9% Cablocos "mestizos" in 1890 is way more than i thought. I would have guessed 3% max.

Actually, i think the mestizo population is more than 9%, something like 13,5% or even more... Most of mestizos lives in very poor and isolated areas in the countryside and in poor neighborhoods when they live in urban areas, so we cannot know for sure how big is the number but i know it is a very big number and it is increasing a lot now because there is a lot of imigrants from Peru, Bolivia and from other mestizo countryes caming to Brazil nowadays.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:25 PM
It is true.Neguinho da beija-flor de Lilianeópolis é 67% europeu:
http://www.bbc.com/portuguese/reporterbbc/story/2007/05/070424_dna_neguinho_cg.shtml

And black Brazilians due to the large number of non-black genes in their genotype, can produce people with hispanic appearance or white passing

Neymars son with a white woman
https://abrilcapricho.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/davi-lucca-filho-neymar-melhor-crianca.jpg

Roberta Rodrigues kid with a pardo
http://s2.glbimg.com/ZSatLtDekFCL5PdjEIjS0vQaajM=/i.glbimg.com/og/ig/infoglobo/f/original/2017/04/20/roberta_familia.jpg

Both kids doesnt look typical mulattos you have if u mix Afram + whites or African + White

Jolsonaro
06-04-2018, 02:27 PM
Actually, i think the mestizo population is more than 9%, something like 13,5% or even more... Most of mestizos lives in very poor and isolated areas in the countryside and in poor neighborhoods when they live in urban areas, so we cannot know for sure how big is the number but i know it is a very big number and it is increasing a lot now because there is a lot of imigrants from Peru, Bolivia and from other mestizo countryes caming to Brazil nowadays.

Also, just for information, the birthrate of Bolivia is like 3,16%, while the birthrate in Brazil is 1,7% and its decreasing. I hope the Bolivians invade Brazil and overtake these stupid niggas lol

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 02:28 PM
Also, just for information, the birthrate of Bolivia is like 3,16%, while the birthrate in Brazil is 1,7% and its decreasing. I hope the Bolivians invade Brazil and overtake these stupid niggas lol

LOL be careful for what you wish for, there are many already in Mato Grossos.

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:28 PM
And black Brazilians due to the large number of non-black genes in their genotype, can produce people with hispanic appearance or white passing

Neymars son with a white woman
https://abrilcapricho.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/davi-lucca-filho-neymar-melhor-crianca.jpg

Roberta Rodrigues kid with a pardo
http://s2.glbimg.com/ZSatLtDekFCL5PdjEIjS0vQaajM=/i.glbimg.com/og/ig/infoglobo/f/original/2017/04/20/roberta_familia.jpg

Both kids doesnt look typical mulattos you have if u mix Afram + whites or African + White

Yes.I see.I think this question about ethnic identification in Brazil is a very hard topic.People here generally not know about the own acestry - mainly the colonials.I dont think right a pardo self-declare himself like a white nor a black.It is a confuse trouble.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:28 PM
Actually, i think the mestizo population is more than 9%, something like 13,5% or even more... Most of mestizos lives in very poor and isolated areas in the countryside and in poor neighborhoods when they live in urban areas, so we cannot know for sure how big is the number but i know it is a very big number and it is increasing a lot now because there is a lot of imigrants from Peru, Bolivia and from other mestizo countryes caming to Brazil nowadays.

"big number" when the Brazilian census had the mestizo option (cabloco) they were never larger than tri racials. They were always an irrelevant number within mixed race group. And they are probably still minorities. Since they only exist in Rio Grande do Sul, and in the North of Brazil.
https://i.imgur.com/bGOBSTW.png

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:30 PM
Yes.I see.I think this question about ethnic identification in Brazil is a very hard topic.People here generally not know about the own acestry - mainly the colonials.I dont think right a pardo self-declare himself like a white nor a black.It is a confuse trouble.

People declare themselves based on skin color, not on ancestors and let alone traits.

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:31 PM
People declare themselves based on skin color, not on ancestors and let alone traits.

Yes.What your opnion about this?

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 02:33 PM
People declare themselves based on skin color, not on ancestors and let alone traits.

partially disagree on this, I believe hair color and texture is taken into account,

imagine neymar's son with same hair as him, people would rush to say pardo/mixed

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:44 PM
Yes.What your opnion about this?

I find it curious because in my family nobody has the same skin color, and racial declarations vary.

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:45 PM
I find it curious because in my family nobody has the same skin color, and racial declarations vary.

What your your racial status in identity document?

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 02:46 PM
What your your racial status in identity document?

It says pardo. I'll take a photo and send it to you at pm.

Catarinense1998
06-04-2018, 02:47 PM
It says pardo. I'll take a photo and send it to you at pm.

ok

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 03:06 PM
partially disagree on this, I believe hair color and texture is taken into account,

imagine neymar's son with same hair as him, people would rush to say pardo/mixed

Ana Paula Arósio has a common hair found in mulattos and everyone called her "branquinha" when she used to be a popular actress
https://staticr1.blastingcdn.com/media/photogallery/2017/6/9/660x290/b_620x273/o-misterio-de-ana-paula-arosio_1376377.jpg

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 03:07 PM
neymar hair is just similiar to hers
http://s2.glbimg.com/aezz0aCRxAQixP6JaRwh-MbbeS0=/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2017/06/05/neymar1.jpg

Latinus
06-04-2018, 04:15 PM
Ana Paula Arósio has a common hair found in mulattos and everyone called her "branquinha" when she used to be a popular actress
https://staticr1.blastingcdn.com/media/photogallery/2017/6/9/660x290/b_620x273/o-misterio-de-ana-paula-arosio_1376377.jpg

Nope, it's the opposite: mulatto hair looks liker her's.
Real African hair is the afro black power.

akondrel
06-04-2018, 04:20 PM
Yes.I see.I think this question about ethnic identification in Brazil is a very hard topic.People here generally not know about the own acestry - mainly the colonials.I dont think right a pardo self-declare himself like a white nor a black.It is a confuse trouble.

This is a classification of "color", not ancestry (cultural or genetic).

"Pardo" is a multipurpose term that can mean everything (any non-white configuration) or nothing (it does not differentiate triracial from any other type of combination, and does not apply or apply inconsistently to blends with Asians, for example).

And to the extent that based on self-declaration, it is coated with a great deal of subjectivity.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 04:22 PM
Nope, it's the opposite: mulatto hair looks liker her's.
Real African hair is the afro black power.

not black power but nappy hair
folks in africa cant grow this big afro hair
https://smhttp-ssl-33667.nexcesscdn.net/manual/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/michael-jackson-afro-1-1.jpg
its more common in griffe

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 04:23 PM
folks in africa has almost no hair

Vistulawarrior
06-04-2018, 04:24 PM
Well, African Americans constitute about 13 percent of the total population whereas in Brazil it is at least the double.

Heather Duval
06-04-2018, 04:31 PM
SSA hair is never biggerr than this naturally
https://blackafricanwoman.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/natural-hair-1.jpg

their hair dont grow much
its called nappy hair, not really an afro

Black Panther
06-04-2018, 08:01 PM
I say the same about the black and native in me.

I don't identify as "triracial" just because I have some Native Brazilian ancestry while looking totally non-Native. It's just silly, wouldn't you agree?

Black Panther
06-04-2018, 08:03 PM
Well, African Americans constitute about 13 percent of the total population whereas in Brazil it is at least the double.

26% is too low for Brazil, in my opinion. It's 35% to 70% depending on the definition of what is Black.

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 08:09 PM
I don't identify as "triracial" just because I have some Native Brazilian ancestry while looking totally non-Native. It's just silly, wouldn't you agree?

no, I don't think it's silly at all, you are acknowledging what you are, as a whole. you are not going around saying "hey I'm native american", instead you say I am mixed with such and such (if possible in percentages). I for once am triracial, and identify as multiracial, you can laugh as much as you want when I tell you I am part native and african, but it won't change what I am.

Dragoon
06-04-2018, 08:12 PM
Pardos are Black 90% of the time. Many "Whites" in Brazil are also Black.

Okay but what is "black"? There is only subjective answers depending on indivudual and society you were raised with.
One drop rule? Appearance? Actual Sub-saharan African?

The average "preta" is only ~50% SSA. Average "pardo" only ~20% SSA.
These also have Native American ancestry.

Thats much less than African-Americans with average 70-80% SSA. Obama might be mulatto/preta?
These have very little or no Native American ancestry.

Black Panther
06-04-2018, 08:59 PM
no, I don't think it's silly at all, you are acknowledging what you are, as a whole. you are not going around saying "hey I'm native american", instead you say I am mixed with such and such (if possible in percentages). I for once am triracial, and identify as multiracial, you can laugh as much as you want when I tell you I am part native and african, but it won't change what I am.

LOL. If you are triracial, I am Italian.

Kriptc06
06-04-2018, 11:21 PM
LOL. If you are triracial, I am Italian.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs91TFUdqdU

Carlito's Way
06-04-2018, 11:35 PM
Light skinned Brazilian ssa that found out to be black lol


" This “policy” makes it very difficult for black people with lighter skin to affirm their blackness; because here we have different names for melanin tones present in the skin. For example: mulatto ,
moreno, mameluco and so on.
When I discovered myself as Black, after a long journey of self-discovery and recognition of my roots, the first sentence I heard from a white person was, “You are not Black! You are not dark enough to be Black”; as if Blackness were linked only to the amount of melanin in our skin. Blackness is something much deeper, which is intimately linked to the consciousness of who you are, your history, your people and, for the lighter ones, recognition and abdication of every privilege that our smaller amount of melanin can offer us."
http://www.truecultureuniversity.com/news-bedford/2017/7/18/being-black-in-brazil

its crazy because in america she for sure would be thought of as black, and in the black community as a light skin black woman
https://www.instagram.com/viiicj/

but yeah, girls like her are very common in Brazil, not even rare at all but super common
but brazil has different meanings of blackness and whiteness compared to america

Heather Duval
06-05-2018, 12:28 AM
its crazy because in america she for sure would be thought of as black, and in the black community as a light skin black woman
https://www.instagram.com/viiicj/

but yeah, girls like her are very common in Brazil, not even rare at all but super common
but brazil has different meanings of blackness and whiteness compared to america

Because of whitening Brazilian system.

akondrel
06-05-2018, 02:17 AM
Because of whitening Brazilian system.

Brazilian racial whitening operates in the opposite direction of the one drope rule.

While the former believed to be capable of producing a largely white population through a process of racial assimilation (which would be a selective miscegenation and aimed at suppressing some phenotypes over another previously desired), the latter was constructed to guarantee "racial purity ", or homogeneity, of an already largely white population.

For some, the Brazilian system comes close to admitting one drope rule in reverse.

Heather Duval
06-05-2018, 03:09 AM
Brazilian racial whitening operates in the opposite direction of the one drope rule.

While the former believed to be capable of producing a largely white population through a process of racial assimilation (which would be a selective miscegenation and aimed at suppressing some phenotypes over another previously desired), the latter was constructed to guarantee "racial purity ", or homogeneity, of an already largely white population.

For some, the Brazilian system comes close to admitting one drope rule in reverse.

What u think about: moreno claro, moreninho, queimado de sol and all those names to not say preto?

akondrel
06-05-2018, 01:36 PM
In the Brazilian system a hierarchy of "colors" was created where, historically, whiteness was valued and negritude devalued; these terms are euphemisms, most of the time, to dispel blackness and bring whiteness closer.

In the Brazilian system, if it does not look like a Zulu warrior, then it is not black; if it is visibly mixed but light-skinned, then it is "moreno claro, moreninho, queimado de sol" etc. If it has close mixed ancestry, but has no visible characteristics of that mixture, then it is white.

Dominicanese
06-05-2018, 01:46 PM
ofc brazil has more blacks than the USA

all those numbers r scammed down typical of LATAM countries, to downgrade the non euro alittle bit and increase the euro so that we r not seeing as moneys or indians

truth spoken out loud man and also too many Aframs r actually mulattoes, quadroons, and or tercerons and claim black so

Kriptc06
06-05-2018, 01:48 PM
ofc brazil has more blacks than the USA

all those numbers r scammed down typical of LATAM countries, to downgrade the non euro alittle bit and increase the euro so that we r not seeing as moneys or indians

truth spoken out loud man and also too many Aframs r actually mulattoes, quadroons, and or tercerons and claim black so

jee bro

Alvorada Potente
06-05-2018, 01:54 PM
In the Brazilian system a hierarchy of "colors" was created where, historically, whiteness was valued and negritude devalued; these terms are euphemisms, most of the time, to dispel blackness and bring whiteness closer.

In the Brazilian system, if it does not look like a Zulu warrior, then it is not black; if it is visibly mixed but light-skinned, then it is "moreno claro, moreninho, queimado de sol" etc. If it has close mixed ancestry, but has no visible characteristics of that mixture, then it is white.

Brazil whitening policie can be considered a sucess today

akondrel
06-05-2018, 02:11 PM
It was successful to some extent. Brazil whitening policie intended a white country, or almost totally constituted by whites, although the great majority had a significant amount of nonwhite ancestors.

In demographic terms this has never been achieved, and today this trend is reversing, both demographically, with the increase in the proportion of non-whites in the population, and culturally, by the increasing appreciation of blackness, although not so widespread in the population.

Heather Duval
06-05-2018, 02:28 PM
It was successful to some extent. Brazil whitening policie intended a white country, or almost totally constituted by whites, although the great majority had a significant amount of nonwhite ancestors.

In demographic terms this has never been achieved, and today this trend is reversing, both demographically, with the increase in the proportion of non-whites in the population, and culturally, by the increasing appreciation of blackness, although not so widespread in the population.

Mas de qualquer forma, eles nunca foram forçados a se misturar. Transaram com mestiços porque quiseram.

akondrel
06-05-2018, 05:57 PM
De fato. Pelo menos desconheço que tenha ocorrido uma política de "cruzamento forçado".

De toda sorte, essa política de branqueamento sempre foi ambígua. No Rio Grande do Sul, por exemplo, até uma geração anterior a minha não era incomum encontrar pequenas cidades do interior onde as pessoas mais velhas nem mesmo falavam o português, ou falavam de forma muito precária, pq no dia a dia se comunicavam melhor e mais rapidamente em alemão (ou dialetos) ou italiano (ou dialetos). A endogamia era muito forte e o aumento de pessoas brancas na população gaúcha decorreu mais da taxa de natalidade extremamente alta dos imigrantes europeus do que de um "embranquecimento" da população mestiça eventualmente preexistente.