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Thorum
02-24-2009, 02:24 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid, I have to ask.

What is your definaition of National Socialism? Not necessarily the immediate, Hitler, association but the real philosophy behind it? I know what my first thoughts are and they have been formed as an American, patriotism, World War 2 documentaries, etc. so I am looking for the real ideas behind the worn out images. Can anyone (KCV?) enlighten me?

Absinthe
02-24-2009, 02:28 PM
In my own humble opinion, the essence of NS philosophy is put in a nutshell in this text:

National Socialism: The Biological Worldview (http://www.aryanunity.com/nsbwv.html)

...or at least I like to think so. I'm romantic. :)

MarcvSS
02-24-2009, 02:30 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid, I have to ask.

What is your definaition of National Socialism? Or being a Nazi. Not necessarily the immediate, Hitler, association but the real philosophy behind it? I know what my first thoughts are and they have been formed as an American, patriotism, World War 2 documentaries, etc. so I am looking for the real ideas behind the worn out images. Can anyone (KCV?) enlighten me? Well I will let comrade Stossy have a go at this first, so I can see if my teachings have not gone to waste...

Red Skull
02-24-2009, 02:31 PM
To sum it up: Preservation of the Race or Folk, this can differ widely. Evolution, Transcendence, to evolve and become a Higher Man. To always excel and strive for the unattainable, and to have a healthy and unified people. Anti-Semitism is central to the Hitlerist philosophy, but you don't have to be anti-Semitic to be a National Socialist.

Absinthe
02-24-2009, 02:33 PM
I like this quote from the aforementioned text:


In other words, National Socialism was not invented by Adolf Hitler, but is the conscious expression of the fundamental Laws of Nature governing our lives. It is based on a infinite love of the creation in all its diversity, a deep, unconditional respect for the wisdom of Nature, and an ardent will to preserve life as it has grown out of this wisdom. The only way to do so is to organize the society of man in accordance with these fundamental Laws.

Stossy
02-24-2009, 03:06 PM
At the risk of sounding stupid, I have to ask.

What is your definaition of National Socialism? Or being a Nazi. Not necessarily the immediate, Hitler, association but the real philosophy behind it? I know what my first thoughts are and they have been formed as an American, patriotism, World War 2 documentaries, etc. so I am looking for the real ideas behind the worn out images. Can anyone (KCV?) enlighten me?


Well I guess that when you think of National Socialism that you think of Anti-Semetic things?

Well atleast that is what comes up in my head because the most people think this. But if those belong together then why are there National Socialist parties in Israel?


NS is somewhat a way of life, not everyone can be a National Socialist in my eyes. Also the National Socialists are, if i'm correct, the only people that really see the problems that are going on in our countries. Problems that are caused by the left-wing government, ah mixture of capitalism and communism.




I am realising that I am going a bit off-topic... can't seem to focus on the main subject. I respect it that KCV... wants to let me explain it but i am not capable of explaining it correctly at this time. A few things on my mind and not feeling well due to the large amount of alcohol I drank the past few days.

Thorum
02-24-2009, 03:30 PM
OK, Stossy, you aren't gonna get off that easy. When I used to get the jitters during my years of binging, the best cure was:

1. Time
2. Lots of water.
3. Eat.
4. Force yourself to walk. Even around the block a couple times a day.
5. If those cures don't work for you...............slam a couple shots of Jack Daniels and maybe a bong hit or 2.....

Hope you will comment more later comrade, and I know you will clear up soon.

Sarmata
02-24-2009, 03:59 PM
To sum it up: Preservation of the Race or Folk, this can differ widely. Evolution, Transcendence, to evolve and become a Higher Man. To always excel and strive for the unattainable, and to have a healthy and unified people. Anti-Semitism is central to the Hitlerist philosophy, but you don't have to be anti-Semitic to be a National Socialist.

Bit controversial thesis...or maybe you thought about supposed origin of some nazi notables;)

Sarmata
02-24-2009, 04:06 PM
Well I guess that when you think of National Socialism that you think of Anti-Semetic things?

Well atleast that is what comes up in my head because the most people think this. But if those belong together then why are there National Socialist parties in Israel?


NS is somewhat a way of life, not everyone can be a National Socialist in my eyes. Also the National Socialists are, if i'm correct, the only people that really see the problems that are going on in our countries. Problems that are caused by the left-wing government, ah mixture of capitalism and communism.




I am realising that I am going a bit off-topic... can't seem to focus on the main subject. I respect it that KCV... wants to let me explain it but i am not capable of explaining it correctly at this time. A few things on my mind and not feeling well due to the large amount of alcohol I drank the past few days.

You mean that Israel import to their country some Russians(with some jewish roots) and they still consider they selves as Russians and even WP/NS skinheads and they attack jews in Israel? What was a very funny thing indeed:D:D

Red Skull
02-24-2009, 04:52 PM
Bit controversial thesis...or maybe you thought about supposed origin of some nazi notables;)
No. I do not consider Jews as part of the Race, thus I do not agree with them being in any NS establishments created for the Race. I just meant that for some it is not about opposition to certain peoples, but simply, ideas. Or that their point of focus isn't hatred/opposition/etc. Not to mention, anti-Semitism has a plethora of definitions.

Thorum
02-25-2009, 06:32 PM
This thread wasn't meant for debate. Just for people's own perspectives and opinions.

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 07:02 PM
This thread wasn't meant for debate. Just for people's own perspectives and opinions.I'll make this quick, nice and easy...

NS is a lifeview with a political twist... NS basicly revolves around the concept of respect for all living things and their terrotories...

Preservation of soil, blood, culture, folk and values are a basic impuls within NS.

However... We seek this in all cultures.

The term NS is a rather twisted one... Basicly NS is about Socialism first and Nationalism secondly... Hitler twisted this around, for his own advantage.

Anti-Semetism (funny enough cause Jews aren't semites) is not a basic teaching within NS, cause NS is simply not about hate. It's about making sure your people come first and other cultures gain nothing. Hitler just wanted to make sure the Jew didn't rob his people and so the whole Holohoax was created as the Jew saw fit. Hitler just wanted to give his people back what belonged to them and therefor the Jew had to leave Germany...

A true NS values the natural things in life, the plants, the animals, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON OTHER CONTINENTS AND LIVE THEIR LIVES NS...

I see you all thinking; "live their lifes NS????"... Yes indeed... Each person living on this planet respecting his or her heritage and standing ground for his own, you can call NS...

Read the teachings of Strasser... The inventor of NS. You will not see the hatred of the Twat Hitler has invoked on Europe...

Now people will probably wonder why I have swasticas tattooed on my body, since I'm not a Hitler fan... I see the swas as the Universal symbol for NS in this day and age, so sue me...

I must have missed some edges here and there and maybe I'll get back on those. For now go with this, wether you like it or not...

Cheers,
A NEO- NS...

EDIT; Btw, I really am offended by your thread title. Theres a big difference between a NaZi and a National- Socialist. I think you need to either change the title or apoligize...

Thorum
02-25-2009, 07:11 PM
I don't think anyone is judging you or anyone else who comments. If there is one thing I have noticed here at Apricity, is that most people here tend to be open-minded and gracious with other people's ideas and comments. You, for one, I believe are especially well respected here.

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 07:15 PM
I don't think anyone is judging you or anyone else who comments. If there is one thing I have noticed here at Apricity, is that most people here tend to be open-minded and gracious with other people's ideas and comments. You, for one, I believe are especially well respected here.It's not about judgment or respect... Most of the users here I do not care for if they respect me...

Point however being, is that with this thread title, real NS ar being stigmatized and generalized...

It's like automaticly assuming a skinhead is a NaZi...

Thorum
02-25-2009, 07:17 PM
The title of the thread perhaps shows my lack of knowledge/ignorance on the subject. Thought I would ask anyway.

EDIT: In no way did I mean anything by the title. I am sorry for any offense.

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 07:28 PM
The title of the thread perhaps shows my lack of knowledge on the subject. Thought I would ask anyway.

EDIT: In no way did I mean anything by the title. I am sorry for any offense.
Okay again a simple explanation...

You have two groups of NS;

One being National- Socialists whom live by the basics of NS...

Two being the Hitler worshippers, who get off on Jews being killed, peoples getting oppressed, wars being fought in name of the Nazis etc... These are the same folks who would have handed their countrys to Hitler on a silver plather...

We had that sort of folk here in the Netherlands during the second WW... A political party called the NSB whom betrayed their own blood to get in favor with Adolf...

My grandfather was such a twat... I slight his face up for that.

Loki
02-25-2009, 08:52 PM
The title of the thread perhaps shows my lack of knowledge/ignorance on the subject. Thought I would ask anyway.

EDIT: In no way did I mean anything by the title. I am sorry for any offense.

There's no need for you to apologise about anything, you did nothing wrong.

Sarmata
02-25-2009, 10:27 PM
I'll make this quick, nice and easy...

NS is a lifeview with a political twist... NS basicly revolves around the concept of respect for all living things and their terrotories...

Preservation of soil, blood, culture, folk and values are a basic impuls within NS.

However... We seek this in all cultures.

The term NS is a rather twisted one... Basicly NS is about Socialism first and Nationalism secondly... Hitler twisted this around, for his own advantage.

It was easy AH just use word "socialism" and red flag to win working class to his cause. AH's vision of NS is very little to do with Socialism. It was about Race and Nation however AH's vision of Aryan Race was rather eccentric...but quite typical to his company. And it was not fight for "preservation" but brutal combat for total domination.


Anti-Semetism (funny enough cause Jews aren't semites) is not a basic teaching within NS, cause NS is simply not about hate. It's about making sure your people come first and other cultures gain nothing. Hitler just wanted to make sure the Jew didn't rob his people and so the whole Holohoax was created as the Jew saw fit. Hitler just wanted to give his people back what belonged to them and therefor the Jew had to leave Germany...

Ah no? So who they are?:D


A true NS values the natural things in life, the plants, the animals, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON OTHER CONTINENTS AND LIVE THEIR LIVES NS...

I see you all thinking; "live their lifes NS????"... Yes indeed... Each person living on this planet respecting his or her heritage and standing ground for his own, you can call NS...

Read the teachings of Strasser... The inventor of NS. You will not see the hatred of the Twat Hitler has invoked on Europe...

Now people will probably wonder why I have swasticas tattooed on my body, since I'm not a Hitler fan... I see the swas as the Universal symbol for NS in this day and age, so sue me...

I must have missed some edges here and there and maybe I'll get back on those. For now go with this, wether you like it or not...

Cheers,
A NEO- NS...

Yeah right "we are the world we are the children".

And I have Swastica(Slavic variant of this symbol called-"Świąszczyca") on my arm...Svastica is symbol of sun who give a life, symbol of hapinness, universal symbol of my people...ussed by my ancestors for thousend years...It's not only symbol of political ideology or country who existed hardly few years.


EDIT; Btw, I really am offended by your thread title. Theres a big difference between a NaZi and a National- Socialist. I think you need to either change the title or apoligize...

NAZI it's only summary of National Socialism nothing more. What's offend you ?

Vargtand
02-25-2009, 10:37 PM
NAZI it's only summary of National Socialism nothing more. What's offend you ?
Umm... if it is not apparent.. Nazi is very strongly linked together with the regime of Germany during the 30-40s due to the word.. or rather the abbreviation having such strong ties to that particular entity I think it is quite clear that there should not be put an equal sign between National socialism and Nazi's due to one being an ideology in its own right the other being a political entity.

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 10:49 PM
It was easy AH just use word "socialism" and red flag to win working class to his cause. AH's vision of NS is very little to do with Socialism. It was about Race and Nation however AH's vision of Aryan Race was rather eccentric...but quite typical to his company. And it was not fight for "preservation" but brutal combat for total domination.Thats not quit true... Hitler did use the basics of National- Socialism and helped people... If you look at what he did for the Netherlands, in more than one way, we must thank him and the Socialistic part of NS... I'm taking social securitys, education, heck, even the freeways were his gift to the Germanic people...

So don't be mistaken in him not living or ruling by NS basics... Point is he rewrote NS into a script of his own, suited for that time. Wether it was a good script one can question.



Ah no? So who they are?:D They are a people of no soil... Here we can have a big discussion wether being a Jew is a question of religion or race...

Jews never had homesoil, untill it was given to them by the English in 1948...



Yeah right "we are the world we are the children".

And I have Swastica(Slavic variant of this symbol called-"Świąszczyca") on my arm...Svastica is symbol of sun who give a life, symbol of hapinness, universal symbol of my people...ussed by my ancestors for thousend years...It's not only symbol of political ideology or country who existed hardly few years. Since I am an Atheïst, I don't by your sun gave life crap or any Hindoistic religious mumbojumbo... Sorry but I've never had any interrest in those things, so for me and hundreds and thousands of people the Swastica in this day and age stands for NS...



NAZI it's only summary of National Socialism nothing more. What's offend you ?
No it is not... Its a curseword given to members of the NSDAP in 1933...

Besides the term NaZi, for most people, is the term for Hitlerworshippers, wich I am not... I do however respect the man...

Beorn
02-25-2009, 10:53 PM
Jews never had homesoil, untill it was given to them by the English in 1948...





I think you mean 'British'.

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 11:02 PM
I think you mean 'British'.
Tell me how this differs?

Beorn
02-25-2009, 11:12 PM
England, Scotland and Wales are historically established nations living under the one political union: Great Britain.

It was the government of Great Britain which awarded the Jews their homeland.

The Lawspeaker
02-25-2009, 11:14 PM
Thats not quit true... Hitler did use the basics of National- Socialism and helped people... If you look at what he did for the Netherlands, in more than one way, we must thank him and the Socialistic part of NS... I'm taking social securitys, education, heck, even the freeways were his gift to the Germanic people...Up to a point. the Dutch child benefit plan dates back from 1941- but the first Rijkswegenplan (Dutch motorway plans) in the modern sense was dating back to 1927.
I can hardly say that my people benefited from nationalist-socialist rule as forced acquisitions, rationing, the looting of the art treasures and of the country in general, the brutal actions of the German army against the resistance, the demolition of the rechtsstaat and of our democracy, the attempts to push us in a wider Greater German Reich and the forced de-pillarisation and the overall effects of the occupation wreaked havoc on our people and brought them nothing but death, misery and destruction.

I am quite sure that you are familiar with the sarcastic term Liebesgaben ?

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 11:15 PM
England, Scotland and Wales are historically established nations living under the one political union: Great Britain.

It was the government of Great Britain which awarded the Jews their homeland.I love you for explaining this BWW.:D:D



Jews never had homesoil, untill it was given to them by the BRITISH (Oehh those Bastards...)in 1948...

MarcvSS
02-25-2009, 11:17 PM
Up to a point.
I rest my case...

Gooding
02-26-2009, 12:17 AM
Ah, beautiful thread. :) I view National Socialism as being centered on the Folk, on protecting and propagating the Folk and keeping a government that has the best interests of the Folk in mind.NS does have a warrior's ethic, in that the Folk is encouraged to grow strong and to fight back against outlandish aggressors and to discipline and punish criminals inside the Folkish State.The government provides education, jobs, health care, housing and emphasizes the importance of the family unit, indeed to the point that the Folk is regarded as a huge family.Everyone's strengths are encouraged and employable, there are natural sacred sites dedicated to the old gods and goddesses and the land wights.Every Folkish home has a home altar dedicated to the ancestors.Anyway, that is my own vision and dream of National Socialism :p