What is "North Atlantic" K13?

[Bosniensis]

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.08
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 15.28
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 South_Asian 1.98
7 Red_Sea 1.4
8 East_Asian 0.98
9 Northeast_African 0.66
10 Oceanian 0.33

Is this NW Europe?

What exactly it means in K13 calculator?

[oszkar07]

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.91
2 Baltic 31.04
3 West_Med 12.32
4 East_Med 8.99
5 West_Asian 4.7
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Red_Sea 1.68
8 Oceanian 0.07

[Bosniensis]

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.91
2 Baltic 31.04
3 West_Med 12.32
4 East_Med 8.99
5 West_Asian 4.7
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Red_Sea 1.68
8 Oceanian 0.07

It's probably related to Celts, you are I2 native celtic brit..

[oszkar07]

It's probably related to Celts, you are I2 native celtic brit..

Maybe it has a Celtic connection but this is autosomal DNA , so mine is a little higher due to my Mother's British side.
You will see in a full Brit it will be higher than mine , I think in the 40"s up.



you are I2 native celtic brit..
only British from my Mothers side , if you have seen my DNA results you would know Im not full Brit , look at my K13 above I have more Baltic than you, possibly my East Euro score is similiar to yours, what do you score East Euro in K15 ?
My Y Hap probably came through Germanic expansion, but really who knows I have seen people with my Y hg from Russia to Middle East ...its amazing how far and wide Y HG's have spread.

[Norb]

It's probably related to Celts, you are I2 native celtic brit..

what is mine related to then? oszkar is I2 native celt brit

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.16
2 Baltic 23.30
3 West_Med 16.45
4 East_Med 7.32
5 West_Asian 3.93
6 South_Asian 1.07

[Lucas]

From what I remember Davidski used as references for component samples from Cornwall ad Scotland (Argyll&Bute). And maybe some Utah_whites.

[Bosniensis]

From what I remember Davidski used as references for component samples from Cornwall ad Scotland (Argyll&Bute). And maybe some Utah_whites.

Oh, that's what I needed thank you.

[Grace O'Malley]

R1bs are the Celts. I is pre-Beaker. Wherever there are Celtic speakers R1b is dominant. Celts are a post-Beaker population.

This is my North Atlantic

Population
North_Atlantic 52.04
Baltic 25.27
West_Med 9.81
West_Asian 7.25
East_Med 1.77
Red_Sea 1.50
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Mark M]

I have a lot

1 North_Atlantic 51.89
2 Baltic 23.46
3 West_Med 13.07
4 West_Asian 9.41

[Bosniensis]

R1bs are the Celts. I is pre-Beaker. Wherever there are Celtic speakers R1b is dominant. Celts are a post-Beaker population.

This is my North Atlantic

Population
North_Atlantic 52.04
Baltic 25.27
West_Med 9.81
West_Asian 7.25
East_Med 1.77
Red_Sea 1.50
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

It is highly unlikely... I am not biased against that belief but I personally don't believe that.

The major reason for that is an identical haplogroup with Germanic peoples whom Romans denounced, also
Greek Bibliotheica claims that Celts and Illyrians are the same people descended from two brothers Illyrius and Celtus.

Now imagine two brothers sharing the same haplogroup it would be reasonable that both Illyrians (who were branch of Celts) share the same
haplogroup with Gauls and other Celts.

You have Western Balkan people (homeplace of Illyria) who are I2, J2, E1b predominantly.

On the other hand we have Gaul, Britain, Spain and Northern Italy that is swarmed by "Barbarian Invasions" who according to some
ancient writers "Butchered and murdered" everything in their path.

Also if we understand that I2 was ancestral haplogroup of Gaul, Britain, Spain and Northern Italy... it is safe to conclude that I2 Haplogrup is Celtic
while R1 is Germanic and Slavic that got massively multiplied in the last 1000+ years.

This is my belief and it has a valid points.

[someonenotyou]

1 North_Atlantic 30.76
2 Baltic 27.21
3 West_Med 18.15
4 West_Asian 10.13
5 East_Med 9.41
6 South_Asian 2.25
7 Siberian 1.79
8 Red_Sea 0.21
9 Sub-Saharan 0.09

[Grace O'Malley]

It is highly unlikely... I am not biased against that belief but I personally don't believe that.

The major reason for that is an identical haplogroup with Germanic peoples whom Romans denounced, also
Greek Bibliotheica claims that Celts and Illyrians are the same people descended from two brothers Illyrius and Celtus.

Now imagine two brothers sharing the same haplogroup it would be reasonable that both Illyrians (who were branch of Celts) share the same
haplogroup with Gauls and other Celts.

You have Western Balkan people (homeplace of Illyria) who are I2, J2, E1b predominantly.

On the other hand we have Gaul, Britain, Spain and Northern Italy that is swarmed by "Barbarian Invasions" who according to some
ancient writers "Butchered and murdered" everything in their path.

Also if we understand that I2 was ancestral haplogroup of Gaul, Britain, Spain and Northern Italy... it is safe to conclude that I2 Haplogrup is Celtic
while R1 is Germanic and Slavic that got massively multiplied in the last 1000+ years.

This is my belief and it has a valid points.

Celtic though is an Indo-European language and evolved from the Bell Beakers who were R1b. I was in Europe before the Indo-Europeans and Celtic languages were all spoken in high R1b populations. So how can ydna I be a Celtic marker? I groups were not known for Celtic languages.

[Albannach]

Isn't the North Atlantic component in K13 just the North Sea and Atlantic components that you get on K15 bundled together?

I seem to be very high in all these components.

North_Atlantic 54.02
North_Sea 36.09
Atlantic 32.33

[Leto]

Yes, the NA peaks in the British Isles, so it must be something NW European. For example, in Russians it's usually below 30%, more like 25% on average. My mom is 23+%, my dad is 26+% and I am 25+%. On the other hand, Poles being more Western than Russians/East Slavs are around 30% NA on average, some even get 33-35%.

[alnortedelsur]

Me (Ancestry DNA):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.95
2 West_Med 22.01
3 East_Med 15.7
4 Baltic 8.88
5 Amerindian 6.66
6 Sub-Saharan 5.34
7 West_Asian 4.2
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 1.4
10 Siberian 0.75

My Spanish mom (23andme):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.97
2 West_Med 26.18
3 East_Med 21.14
4 Baltic 10.49
5 Red_Sea 2.34
6 Northeast_African 1.61
7 Sub-Saharan 1.22
8 West_Asian 0.79
9 South_Asian 0.24

[Graham]

NW Euro really, used for modern populations, not found in Early Neolithic but found in WHG populations and Mid neolithic Europe. It isnt actually a real component. Sort of like as Albannach said, a mix of North Sea and Atlantic from K15.

[oszkar07]

what is mine related to then? oszkar is I2 native celt brit

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.16
2 Baltic 23.30
3 West_Med 16.45
4 East_Med 7.32
5 West_Asian 3.93
6 South_Asian 1.07

Your NA score is consistant with what a full Brit would get for this component , thats why as a half Brit I only get 38.
All members here with full British background would get from mid 40's to mid 50's for this component.

[Jana]

Mine:

1 Baltic 32.36
2 North_Atlantic 29.78
3 West_Med 15.85
4 West_Asian 11.11
5 East_Med 9.41
6 Siberian 0.95
7 East_Asian 0.52
8 Red_Sea 0.02

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __

Stears:

1 Baltic 31.22
2 North_Atlantic 28.2
3 West_Med 12.91
4 West_Asian 10.92
5 East_Med 10.62
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Siberian 1.89
8 Red_Sea 0.76
9 Amerindian 0.76
10 Northeast_African 0.47
11 East_Asian 0.25

[Graham]

Your NA score is consistant with what a full Brit would get for this component , thats why as a half Brit I only get 38.
All members here with full British background would get from mid 40's to mid 50's for this component.

My dad scores over 56%, find it an odd component. Wouldnt say my dad is that homogeneous, but when I look into it. My grandad is from an area that is very rural though in North West England, out of a few hundered areas in it is the emptiest today.


It also has the lowest population density of any district in England and Wales, with a mean of just 25 persons per square kilometrer

[firemonkey]

Mine -North Atlantic 52.73. Father- North Atlantic - 51.39 .

[TEUTORIGOS]

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.08
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 15.28
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 South_Asian 1.98
7 Red_Sea 1.4
8 East_Asian 0.98
9 Northeast_African 0.66
10 Oceanian 0.33

Is this NW Europe?

What exactly it means in K13 calculator?

Brittonic (Briton) or at least related to it I am Arthurian pendragon vampire :

North_Atlantic 49.81 :


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/e5/c8/d6e5c8d66ccc8d9fa620c987de474808.png

[de Burgh II]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.14
2 Baltic 20.42
3 West_Med 15.82
4 West_Asian 6.38
5 East_Med 3.90
6 Amerindian 1.15
7 South_Asian 1.0

[Jägerstaffel]

I score 46.16%.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.14
2 Baltic 20.42
3 West_Med 15.82
4 West_Asian 6.38
5 East_Med 3.90
6 Amerindian 1.15
7 South_Asian 1.0

Cool, is that from Britain or NorthWest France ?

[Smaug]

Celtic though is an Indo-European language and evolved from the Bell Beakers who were R1b. I was in Europe before the Indo-Europeans and Celtic languages were all spoken in high R1b populations. So how can ydna I be a Celtic marker? I groups were not known for Celtic languages.

Blimey! How old are your my dear??

[Iloko]

North Atlantic peaks in British/Irish I think

Baltic peaks more in Eastern Euros I believe

[TEUTORIGOS]

From what I remember Davidski used as references for component samples from Cornwall ad Scotland (Argyll&Bute). And maybe some Utah_whites.

Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 55.26
2 Mediterranean 22.59
3 East_European 9.92
4 West_Asian 8.18
5 South_Asian 1.50


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll_1000 Genomes @ 2.249808
2 N._European_Xing @ 2.591351
3 Orkney_1000 Genomes @ 3.121784
4 Orcadian_HGDP @ 3.307065
5 CEU_HapMap @ 4.024599
6 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 7.008824
7 German_Dodecad @ 7.902879
8 Dutch_Dodecad @ 8.482584
9 Kent_1000 Genomes @ 10.774459
10 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 12.479917
11 British_Dodecad @ 12.775180
12 French_HGDP @ 13.378494
13 Cornwall_1000 Genomes @ 13.467739
14 French_Dodecad @ 14.042091
15 Swedish_Dodecad @ 15.039600
16 Irish_Dodecad @ 15.504419
17 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 15.915921
18 Slovenian_Xing @ 19.984768
19 Hungarians_Behar @ 24.792782
20 French_Basque_HGDP @ 26.045980

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000 Genomes +50% N._European_Xing @ 2.034681

Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 42.98
2 Atlantic_Med 38.18
3 Gedrosia 12.48
4 Caucasus 3.75


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.541688
2 Dutch_Dodecad @ 4.143504
3 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 4.312654
4 English_Dodecad @ 4.424749
5 Kent_1000Genomes @ 4.449413
6 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 5.152197
7 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 6.113508
8 British_Dodecad @ 6.135474
9 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 6.235764
10 Irish_Dodecad @ 6.323586
11 Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.365579
12 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 6.393272
13 French_Dodecad @ 10.691628
14 German_Dodecad @ 11.013892
15 French_HGDP @ 11.418207
16 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 13.213340
17 Swedish_Dodecad @ 15.793384
18 Hungarians_Behar @ 19.711308
19 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 24.187416
20 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 25.460861

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.720571


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +25% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad +25% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.720571

Gedmatch.Com
EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 29.96
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.77
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.91
4 WEST_MED 10.57
5 EAST_EURO 10.27
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.44
7 EAST_MED 2.47
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.59


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.572646
2 Cornish @ 2.927963
3 IE @ 2.939580
4 Scottish @ 3.636564
5 English @ 4.970222
6 NL @ 5.760987
7 West_&_Central_German @ 6.989939
8 DK @ 7.561948
9 NO @ 9.355514
10 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 10.225418
11 FR @ 12.779758
12 North_Swedish @ 14.188993
13 AT @ 14.855093
14 HU @ 20.764002
15 ES @ 21.047228
16 PT @ 21.158691
17 South_Finnish @ 23.622814
18 Serbian @ 23.986607
19 French_Basque @ 25.100336
20 North_Italian @ 25.704790

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Scottish @ 1.968661


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +25% Orcadian +25% Scottish @ 1.857162


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cornish + Cornish + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.857162

This American also looks like a mix of native Briton and Anglo-Saxon :

http://home.earthlink.net/~stan.young/bfhmc.jpg

https://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2415233/Extremely/#3d1f74_2414789

https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Extremely_3d1f74_2414789.jpg

[Percivalle]

NW Euro really, used for modern populations, not found in Early Neolithic but found in WHG populations and Mid neolithic Europe. It isnt actually a real component. Sort of like as Albannach said, a mix of North Sea and Atlantic from K15.

I do agree with that it's not actually a real component.

These kits have a bit of "North Atlantic". In fact LBK was modelled as EEF + 10/20% WHG.

Stuttgart, LBK, 7ky (German Neolithic)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 49.49
2 East_Med 31.42
3 North_Atlantic 15.45
4 Red_Sea 3.64


NE1, Hungary, 7.2ky (Hungarian Neolithic)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 43.75
2 East_Med 35.15
3 North_Atlantic 18.25
4 Red_Sea 2.61
5 Baltic 0.24


NE5, Hungary, 7.1ky (Hungarian Neolithic)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 57.68
2 East_Med 24.23
3 North_Atlantic 17.48
4 Red_Sea 0.61

NE6, Hungary, 7.1ky (Hungarian Neolithic)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 58.44
2 East_Med 27.49
3 North_Atlantic 11.45
4 Red_Sea 2.61


Ballynahatty, County Down, Northern Ireland

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 47.68
2 North_Atlantic 35.79
3 East_Med 11.51
4 Red_Sea 2.28
5 Sub-Saharan 1.25
6 Northeast_African 0.79
7 East_Asian 0.7


North Atlantic decreases in Anatolian Farmers from Barcin, but some trace of North Atlantic is also found in them. Graham do you have better examples of Early Neolithic?


I0709 Anatolian Neolithic (Barcin)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 49.67
2 East_Med 39.45
3 North_Atlantic 7.91
4 Red_Sea 2.98


I0707 Anatolian Neolithic (Barcin)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 48.34
2 East_Med 40.08
3 North_Atlantic 7.72
4 Red_Sea 3.87


I1583 Anatolian Neolithic (Barcin)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 50.13
2 East_Med 39.61
3 North_Atlantic 5.27
4 Red_Sea 4.99

[NSXD60]

North Atlantic: Nord with dark hair, sharp features and dolicephalic head-shape.
http://i66.tinypic.com/10qcc2f.jpg
Not to be confused with Atlanto Med which is a Med with similar features but often less sharp.

[TEUTORIGOS]

North Atlantic: Nord with dark hair, sharp features and dolicephalic head-shape.
http://i66.tinypic.com/10qcc2f.jpg
Not to be confused with Atlanto Med which is a Med with similar features but often less sharp.

Atlanto-meds exist in the British isles too I look more like this Atlanto-med Englishwoman being Ulster Irish/Scots I do not think Pierce Brosnan is from Ulster :

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81mMfgsEZqL._SY450_.jpg

[Dick]

Tears for Fears and TEUTORIGOS R1b are the epitome of "North Atlantid"


https://youtu.be/Ye7FKc1JQe4

[Kouros]

K13 is such a horrible calculator. The components are a mess.

I prefer Eurasia K9 ASI because it sorts based on ancient samples, I also find it to be the most accurate when it comes to population oracles. The only caveat is that it fails to interpret on an east to west basis, but even Eurogenes is 1000x worse when it comes to that.

[War Chef]

Eurogenes is 5 years old and invented by a Polack that used to troll Skadi saying that only R1a males are Slavs. Davidski reminds me of R1ethard actually. Also, the Swedish sample was cherrypicked because it's components are close to the Polish sample. Smh. Off Nordic disorder.

He says blond kurgan PIE's were stealing Maykop (north caucasian) brunettes and taking them back to Ukraine and fucking their brains out..... that's how Yamna got CHG according to him

[Bosniensis]

K13 is such a horrible calculator. The components are a mess.

I prefer Eurasia K9 ASI because it sorts based on ancient samples, I also find it to be the most accurate when it comes to population oracles. The only caveat is that it fails to interpret on an east to west basis, but even Eurogenes is 1000x worse when it comes to that.

Can't find that calc... it's not a gedmatch calculator right?

[Grace O'Malley]

Atlanto-meds exist in the British isles too I look more like this Atlanto-med Englishwoman being Ulster Irish/Scots I do not think Pierce Brosnan is from Ulster :

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81mMfgsEZqL._SY450_.jpg

He's from Drogheda which is a hell of a lot closer to Ulster than you'll ever be. :p

http://bigpony.me/wp-content/uploads/drogheda-map-on-world-republic-of-ireland-royalty-free-cliparts-vectors-and.jpg

[firemonkey]

K13 is such a horrible calculator. The components are a mess.

I prefer Eurasia K9 ASI because it sorts based on ancient samples, I also find it to be the most accurate when it comes to population oracles. The only caveat is that it fails to interpret on an east to west basis, but even Eurogenes is 1000x worse when it comes to that.


K13

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283


K9 ASI

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Estonian @ 2.996223


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Greek +25% RISE_baBb @ 1.665314


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian + Greek + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian @ 1.454885
2 Greek + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca + Scottish @ 1.523852
3 Cypriot + Lithuanian + RISE_baSca + RISE_irSca @ 1.546756
4 Norwegian + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca + Sicilian @ 1.564124
5 Belarusian + Greek + Icelandic + RISE_baBb @ 1.601557
6 Greek + Hungarian + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.612262
7 Lithuanian + RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Ukrainian @ 1.626562
8 Belarusian + Greek + Norwegian + RISE_baBb @ 1.628099
9 Lithuanian + Norwegian + RISE_baBb + Sicilian @ 1.659019
10 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + RISE_baBb @ 1.663144
11 Belarusian + Belarusian + Greek + RISE_baBb @ 1.665314
12 Czech + Greek + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.673789
13 English + Greek + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.681034
14 Bulgarian + Czech + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian @ 1.682014
15 Albanian + Belarusian + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian @ 1.709082
16 Greek + Hungarian + Lithuanian + RISE_baBb @ 1.725106
17 Belarusian + RISE_baBb + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 1.726430
18 English + Estonian + Greek + RISE_baBb @ 1.730488
19 Bulgarian + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.735809
20 Albanian + Hungarian + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.739058

[Percivalle]

Eurogenes is 5 years old and invented by a Polack that used to troll Skadi saying that only R1a males are Slavs. Davidski reminds me of R1ethard actually. Also, the Swedish sample was cherrypicked because it's components are close to the Polish sample. Smh. Off Nordic disorder.

I agree with you, lots of population samples are cherrypicked, he is quite obvious that he likes to impose his point of view and his bias.

[oszkar07]

K13

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283


K9 ASI

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Estonian @ 2.996223


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Greek +25% RISE_baBb @ 1.665314


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian + Greek + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian @ 1.454885
2 Greek + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca + Scottish @ 1.523852
3 Cypriot + Lithuanian + RISE_baSca + RISE_irSca @ 1.546756
4 Norwegian + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca + Sicilian @ 1.564124
5 Belarusian + Greek + Icelandic + RISE_baBb @ 1.601557
6 Greek + Hungarian + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.612262
7 Lithuanian + RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Ukrainian @ 1.626562
8 Belarusian + Greek + Norwegian + RISE_baBb @ 1.628099
9 Lithuanian + Norwegian + RISE_baBb + Sicilian @ 1.659019
10 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + RISE_baBb @ 1.663144
11 Belarusian + Belarusian + Greek + RISE_baBb @ 1.665314
12 Czech + Greek + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.673789
13 English + Greek + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.681034
14 Bulgarian + Czech + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian @ 1.682014
15 Albanian + Belarusian + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian @ 1.709082
16 Greek + Hungarian + Lithuanian + RISE_baBb @ 1.725106
17 Belarusian + RISE_baBb + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 1.726430
18 English + Estonian + Greek + RISE_baBb @ 1.730488
19 Bulgarian + RISE_baBb + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 1.735809
20 Albanian + Hungarian + RISE_baBb + RISE_irSca @ 1.739058

good comparison, amongst Gedmatch calc's K13 may not be perfect but its among the better Calc's for sure.

[Petalpusher]

Both Eurogenes have a couple of shady samples but generally they work really well, especially for people with different ancestries, pca placement can be strikingly accurate.

K9 is not uninteresting, although it's rarely a good idea to mix modern and ancient samples to model someone, so the issue has more to do with the spreadsheet than the calculator itself. Makes it difficult to interpret as well.


Anyway, yea N.Atlantic is more or less a Atlantic + North_Sea blend.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Viriato : North_Atlantic 36.75

Mrs. Viriato: North_Atlantic 39.63

[Ibericus]

North-Atlantic peaks in Scottish and Basques. But the highest I've ever seen is a Bell Beaker sample with 71%, so seems to be based on the origins of the R1b folk of Western Europe.
but if you look at Loschbour he scores 48% of it (the other 52% being Baltic) so this component is also high in WHG ancestry.

[Aren]

I agree with you, lots of population samples are cherrypicked, he is quite obvious that he likes to impose his point of view and his bias.

I can see him cherrypicking Slavs/Balts and even Germanics/NW Euros(to make them closer or further away from NE Europeans) but I seriously doubt he cares about the rest of Europe. He's 100% focused on PIE.

[Percivalle]

I can see him cherrypicking Slavs/Balts and even Germanics/NW Euros(to make them closer or further away from NE Europeans) but I seriously doubt he cares about the rest of Europe. He's 100% focused on PIE.

Not true, he cares so much on anything.

[Leto]

North-Atlantic peaks in Scottish and Basques. But the highest I've ever seen is a Bell Beaker sample with 71%, so seems to be based on the origins of the R1b folk of Western Europe.
but if you look at Loschbour he scores 48% of it (the other 52% being Baltic) so this component is also high in WHG ancestry.
What about Ötzi?

[Peterski]

K13 is such a horrible calculator. The components are a mess.

I prefer Eurasia K9 ASI because it sorts based on ancient samples, I also find it to be the most accurate when it comes to population oracles. The only caveat is that it fails to interpret on an east to west basis, but even Eurogenes is 1000x worse when it comes to that.

Calcs with ancient components (based on prehistoric samples) are worse at interpreting on an east to west basis, because differences between North-West and North-East Europe emerged largely due to genetic drift in the last 4500 years. If you base your admixture components on samples 5000-6000 years old, it will be hard to tell apart Irish from Lithuanian results. With 4000-3000 years old components, it will be a bit easier.

NW Europe was overran by PIE - the same people ancestral also to NE Europeans. So ca. 4500 years ago there was a huge homogenization event which made all of North Europe similar to each other.

Then after 4500 years differences started to emerge again due to drift and local migrations.

[Coolguy1]

Calcs with ancient components (based on prehistoric samples) are worse at interpreting on an east to west basis, because differences between North-West and North-East Europe emerged largely due to genetic drift in the last 4500 years. If you base your admixture components on samples 5000-6000 years old, it will be hard to tell apart Irish from Lithuanian results. With 4000-3000 years old components, it will be a bit easier.

NW Europe was overran by PIE - the same people ancestral also to NE Europeans. So ca. 4500 years ago there was a huge homogenization event which made all of North Europe similar to each other.

Then after 4500 years differences started to emerge again due to drift and local migrations.

This is correct, but isn’t it also true that Northwest Europeans are shifted west compared to northeastern Europeans because of higher WHG and early farmer DNA?

These modern components of course change based on which population is being used to source them. I can make a component based on Greeks and I would score very high in it, but my position on a PCA map would remain the same as a eurogenes k15 one.