What's your most dominant ancestral component?

[Iloko]

Post your most dominant ancestral component, both genetically and genealogically!....

[Jana]

East European/Slavic

[Gangrel]

West Asian/Caucasus

[Bosniensis]

Autosomaly 60/40 in favor of Illyrians against East Slavs.

[Mortimer]

For me genetically and geneaologically doesnt match up. Since on genetic tests im majority european/balkan/slavic and genealogically mostly gypsy. well if you take gypsy as a reference population and dont divide them into their ancient ethnogenesis i mean not into european and southasian, then it would be gypsy. on gedmatch i clustered with gypsies where there is a gypsy population.

puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 29.85
2 NE_Europe 24.42
3 West_Asia 21.26
4 South_Asia 10.89
5 SW_Asia 7.31
6 SE_Asia 1.67
7 NE_Asia 1.42
8 Oceania 1.24
9 Americas 0.87
10 West_Africa 0.59
11 Siberia 0.34
12 South_Africa 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romani 10.86
2 Romanian 13.34
3 Greek_Thessaly 13.37
4 Bulgarian 13.38
5 Albanian 13.44
6 Kosovar 14.01
7 Greek_Central 14.13
8 Macedonian 15.09
9 Italian_Tuscan 15.8
10 Italian_Abruzzo 16.09
11 Montenegrin 16.31
12 Ashkenazy_Jew 17.01
13 Serbian 17.36
14 Italian_Sicilian 18.02
15 Turkish_Aydin 19.18
16 Italian_Bergamo 19.48
17 Turkish 19.78
18 Kumyk 20.04
19 Moldavian 20.27
20 Bosnian 20.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.4% Kosovar + 19.6% Gond @ 2.25
2 78.1% Kosovar + 21.9% Bengali @ 2.43
3 78.8% Albanian + 21.2% Bengali @ 2.67
4 81.3% Albanian + 18.7% Gond @ 2.98
5 80.6% Kosovar + 19.4% Chenchus @ 2.99
6 76% Italian_Tuscan + 24% Bengali @ 3.09
7 80.2% Kosovar + 19.8% UP_Muslim @ 3.09
8 81.7% Kosovar + 18.3% North_Kannadi @ 3.12
9 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% Bengali @ 3.19
10 64.9% Italian_Bergamo + 35.1% Burusho @ 3.22
11 81.4% Greek_Thessaly + 18.6% Gond @ 3.23
12 80.4% Kosovar + 19.6% Tamil_Nadu_Caste @ 3.23
13 81.7% Kosovar + 18.3% Sakilli @ 3.23
14 80.9% Kosovar + 19.1% Piramalai_Kallars @ 3.25
15 56.8% Romani + 43.2% Kosovar @ 3.36
16 65% Romani + 35% Italian_Bergamo @ 3.4
17 58.8% Romani + 41.2% Macedonian @ 3.4
18 80.9% Albanian + 19.1% UP_Muslim @ 3.41
19 55.8% Romani + 44.2% Albanian @ 3.44
20 82.5% Kosovar + 17.5% Pulliyar @ 3.46

[Jana]

Mortimer I think your main ancestry component is Paleo-Balkan probably.

[Mortimer]

Mortimer I think your main ancestry component is Paleo-Balkan probably.

makes sense.

[Wrong]

100% Illyrian

[Jana]

100% Illyrian

Doubt it very much...

[Wrong]

Doubt it very much...
Ok 98%

http://i.imgur.com/cR9YXBl.png

Most of South Slavs are modeled as Albanian + East Slavic through Gedmatch when there is Albanian references, so what does that make you?

[Bosniensis]

100% Illyrian

http://i.imgur.com/cR9YXBl.png

Most of South Slavs are modeled as Albanian + East Slavic through Gedmatch when there is Albanian references, so what does that make you?

That is not correct.

You have a lot of Greek input as well, it 50% Illyrian 50% Greek.

It's just that Greek and Albanian politicians promoted you as 100% Illyrian.

That is impossible, you lived for centuries with Greeks.

[Wrong]

That is not correct.

You have a lot of Greek input as well, it 50% Illyrian 50% Greek.

It's just that Greek and Albanian politicians promoted you as 100% Illyrian.

That is impossible, you lived for centuries with Greeks.
Doesn't change the fact that most of South Slavs are modeled as Albanian + East Slavic when there is Albanian references on Gedmatch.

Even you Bosniensis, are recently Albanian-mixed through one grandparent, otherwise you would be even more East Slavic.

[Jana]

Ok 98%

http://i.imgur.com/cR9YXBl.png

Most of South Slavs are modeled as Albanian + East Slavic through Gedmatch when there is Albanian references, so what does that make you?

I know you are pred. Illyrian, but def. no 100% Albanians have Thracian (especially those in Kosovo and Macedonia), Greek, and minor Goth/Slavic admixture.

We are mix of original Slavs and your people :D

But I am personally more Slavic than Balkan, while Vlach like Bosniensis is more Balkan than Slavic...

[Bosniensis]

Doesn't change the fact that most of South Slavs are modeled as Albanian + East Slavic when there is Albanian references on Gedmatch.

Even you Bosniensis, are recently Albanian-mixed through one grandparent, otherwise you would be even more East Slavic.

Albanians, South Slavs, Greeks = Mixing with each other for 1200 years.

Even I score 2 stars in Greece according to 23andMe.

My ancestors surely mixed with Greeks and Albanians cause they were Orthodoxes from Montenegro and East Herzegovina.

[Wrong]

I know you are pred. Illyrian, but def. no 100% Albanians have Thracian (especially those in Kosovo and Macedonia), Greek, and minor Goth/Slavic admixture.

We are mix of original Slavs and your people :D

But I am personally more Savic than Balkan, while Vlach like Bosniensis is more Balkan than Slavic...
It's thanks to his Albanian grandmother, otherwise he would probably lean more to Slavic.

Albanians and Vlachs are originally of the same stock. The Albanian & Vlach invasions to Greece prove that.

[Jana]

It's thanks to his Albanian grandmother, otherwise he would probably lean more to Slavic.

Albanians and Vlachs are originally of the same stock. The Albanian & Vlach invasions to Greece prove that.

I agree :thumb001:

Vlachs are just Latinised Balkan people, with some other admixtures trough centuries.

[Astarte]

23andme: 76% Western Asian/Cypriot

Eurogenes K15: 36.50% East Med

[Wrong]

I agree :thumb001:

Vlachs are just Latinised Balkan people, with some other admixtures trough centuries.
Yep. But back then, in the 900s-1300s the Albanians and Vlachs were 100% similar genetically. Originated from the same area.

Many modern South Slavs are mixed with Habsburgs, since they lived in those areas up there with the Serb migration to Habsburg. Which is why you see a big difference between Southern Serbs and Northern Serbs, for example.

[Moje ime]

76479


Balkan 61%

North Slavic 23%

Northwest European 16%

[Moje ime]

It's thanks to his Albanian grandmother, otherwise he would probably lean more to Slavic.

Albanians and Vlachs are originally of the same stock. The Albanian & Vlach invasions to Greece prove that.

My ancestors are Serbs, nobody was from southern Serbia, all from Bosnia (Hertzegovina and east Bosnia) and west and east Serbia so how do I get 61% Balkan?

[Megadorian]

West Asian

[Wrong]

My ancestors are Serbs, nobody was from southern Serbia, all from Bosnia (Hertzegovina and east Bosnia) and west and east Serbia so how do I get 61% Balkan?
Vlachs of those areas. Many were Serbianized with common religion of Orthodoxy.

Morlak may have an Albanian paternal ancestor that migrated with the Serbs during the Serb migrations.

And Stearsolina answers below.

[Jana]

My ancestors are Serbs, nobody was from southern Serbia, all from Bosnia (Hertzegovina and east Bosnia) and west and east Serbia so how do I get 61% Balkan?

Bulgarians are included in Balkan cluster, that's why. They inflate the score.
My results:
https://i.imgur.com/GTQ0vi4.png

[Jana]

Moje ime, you should try genecove.

[Moje ime]

Vlachs of those areas. Many were Serbianized with common religion of Orthodoxy.

Morlak may have an Albanian paternal ancestor that migrated with the Serbs during the Serb migrations.

And Stearsolina answers below.

What about Nortwest input? Celtic heritage?

[Mortimer]

76479


Balkan 61%

North Slavic 23%

Northwest European 16%

interesting to compare with you.

South/Central European 43%
Ambiguous 4.3%
North Slavic 17%
Dravidian 16%
Mediterranean Islander 7.4%
Central Indoeuropean 6%
Ambiguous 4.1%
North African 2.1%

No Balkan but Southcentral European and thats the Italian cluster. It was called Italian before. The reference is Northitaly. Well and 17% Northslavic. You are 23% so im quiete alot for someone who is only 35% serb and more gypsy so maybe my small russian does stand out.

[Jana]

What about Nortwest input? Celtic heritage?

Yes, and possible Germanic too. Saxon miners in Bosnia/Raska for example. I have recent German ancestry, and you are far more Celto-Germanic than me.

[Wrong]

What about Nortwest input? Celtic heritage?
Didn't Serbs live among Habsburgs for hundreds of years?

Habsburg covered big areas of the Northern Balkans until recently. Probably Saxons/Germans if DNAland is correct.

[Bosniensis]

DNA.LAND is not entirely accurate it shows more Balkans than FTDNA.

This is my:

https://i.imgur.com/QexA2DY.png

[Jana]

Didn't Serbs live among Habsburgs for hundreds of years?

Habsburg covered big areas of the Northern Balkans. Probably Saxons/Germans if DNAland is correct.

There was also Celtic tribe in Serbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci
They founded Belgrade if I am not mistaken.

[Wrong]

DNA.LAND is not entirely accurate it shows more Balkans than FTDNA.

This is my:

https://i.imgur.com/QexA2DY.png
Thank your Albanian grandmother for that. 1 grandparent makes a huge difference to autosomal.

[Moje ime]

Didn't Serbs live among Habsburgs for hundreds of years?

Habsburg covered big areas of the Northern Balkans until recently. Probably Saxons/Germans if DNAland is correct.

On MyHeritage result it was added as Irish Welsh component. I think that is older than Habsburgs.

[Bosniensis]

Thank your Albanian grandmother for that. 1 grandparent makes a huge difference to autosomal.

So what....

You have I2 Albanians who score slavic imput as well.

WE are more "Illyrian" than Saxons (English) are British.

There you have MojeIme as well,

[Wrong]

So what....

You have I2 Albanians who score slavic imput as well.

WE are more "Illyrian" than Saxons (English) are British.

There you have MojeIme as well,
You guys are one mixed bunch, getting different results everywhere. Majority of Albanians get similar scores to me.

[Catarinense1998]

Iberian (portuguese).

[Jana]

Ideal Balkan cluster will include mainland Greeks (but not those from far north), Gheg Albanians and Aromanians. South Slavs are mixed population so they should not be part of any reference cluster.

Slavic cluster should be based on Ukrainians, Eastern Poles and people from south of Belarus. Than we could more accurately determine our Slavic/Balkan score. And even that wouldn't be perfect.

Ancient references would be ideal, because modern people are mixed, some are more, some are less.

[Bosniensis]

You guys are one mixed bunch, getting different results everywhere. Majority of Albanians get similar scores to me.

That's why Romans divided Illyrian into two parts, and Illyrians were only considered a people from modern Albania.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Illyrians_proper.png

while other Illyrians are mixed with Scythians "according to Romans"

There you have Slavic - Illyrian connection as very old.

[Moje ime]

There was also Celtic tribe in Serbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci
They founded Belgrade if I am not mistaken.

This should be emphasized. My Celtic ancestors founded Belgrade. :cool:

[Jana]

There you have Slavic - Illyrian connection as very old.

Only Schyntians that were present in region lived in eastern Slavonia and Great Hungarian plain. Illyrians in north were in contact with Celts, especially in Slovenia, Austria and Panonnia (Western Hungary).
alos my region (western Croatia) was some Celtic presence and possible Italic.

Btw, Schyntians =/= Slavs

[Thracian]

According to 23andMe, Balkan is the most dominant component.

[Peterski]

Main component for me and my parents in Eurogenes K15:

Me - Baltic
Mom - North Sea
Dad - Baltic

[Wrong]

This should be emphasized. My Celtic ancestors founded Belgrade. :cool:
Wrong. You're mixed with something else, something modern. Mostly mutt admixture.

We're using your logic here. ;)

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Iberian.

[cyberlorian]

Post your most dominant ancestral component, both genetically and genealogically!....

Most probably West Asian.

[Jana]

Wrong. You're mixed with something else, something modern. Mostly mutt admixture.

We're using your logic here.

She is probably not, Serbs didn't mix with Germans much because of religious difference. There are exception, but if she gets Irish/Welsh it definitelly points towards the Celts.

[Moje ime]

...

Wrong is wrong

[Bosniensis]

Only Schyntians that were present in region lived in eastern Slavonia and Great Hungarian plain. Illyrians in north were in contact with Celts, especially in Slovenia, Austria and Panonnia (Western Hungary).
alos my region (western Croatia) was some Celtic presence and possible Italic.

GOD knows WHAT Romans considered "Celts" either people from certain Geographical region (which is most likely) since
they called all people from steppe's "Scythians".

Even a German with Celtic shield would be considered "a Celt".

So we shouldn't blindly accept those stories.

Also Romans never monitored processes of Assimilation, so a German tribe with Celtic tongue could settle Serbia and found it with Celtic culture.

Take a look of Turkified Bosniaks or Anatolians... they would probably designate us as "Turks" xD

[Wrong]

She is probably not, Serbs didn't mix with Germans much because of religious difference. There are exception, but if she gets Irish/Welsh it definitelly points towards the Celts.
There are many cases of unreported recent admixture among people on TA. Bosniensis didn't admit Albanian grandparent until recently.

I am correct here.

[Moje ime]

She is probably not, Serbs didn't mix with Germans much because of religious difference. There are exception, but if she gets Irish/Welsh it definitelly points towards the Celts.

And I'm not only one Serb with this result.

[Jana]

And I'm not only one Serb with this result.

There are more, but If I remember their northwestern is German like, while your looks Celtic :D

[Peterski]

76479

Balkan 61%
North Slavic 23%
Northwest European 16%

Post also here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246626-DNA-Land-regional-averages

[Bosniensis]

There are many cases of unreported recent admixture among people on TA. Bosniensis didn't admit Albanian grandparent until recently.

I am correct here.

My grandfather is still alive, who married my Grandmother (also alive) Thank God.

I hope to catch some money soon I might test them both.

They are old people how could I ask them to spit into test tube ffs....

[Wrong]

There are more, but If I remember their northwestern is German like, while your looks Celtic :D
You're wrong here. Polish results get 47% Northwest European & 44% North Slavic.

Shifting components:

Pole
https://i.imgur.com/ii0Doot.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Main component for me and my parents in Eurogenes K15:

Me - Baltic
Mom - North Sea
Dad - Baltic

Viriato: Atlantic

Mrs. Viriato: North Sea

[Jana]

You're wrong here. Polish results get 47% Northwest European & 44% North Slavic.

I am speaking about two Serbs on TA who also get high NW European. Their is mostly west-central European which should mean German.

Btw, Peterski has German ancestry, so don't think that's typical result for Poland. Maybe only for his region in Western Poland, that was part of Prussia.

[Moje ime]

There are many cases of unreported recent admixture among people on TA. Bosniensis didn't admit Albanian grandparent until recently.

I am correct here.

Like I said I'm not only one Serb with such result.

I can only admit that my paternal grandfather never accepted my father's brother decision to marry muslim woman during SFRJ.
And I doubt that they ever saw Irish people in their life. xD Even less possible for my maternal Serbian side.

[Wrong]

I am speaking about two Serbs who also get high NW European. Their is mostly west-central European which should mean German.

Btw, Peterski has German ancestry, son't think that's typical result for Poland. Maybe only for his region in Western Poland, that was part of Prussia.
Serbs were originally more similar to Albanians-East Slav mix like the Serbs in Southern Serbia.

Northern Serbia was in Habsburg and Hungarian domains for a long time. People from Southern Serbia moved north and vice versa.

[Peterski]

but If I remember their northwestern is German like

No, these are DNA Land's references for Northwest European:

Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR; British in England; Icelandic; Norwegian; Orcadian

So it is a mix of Insular Celtic and Germanic reference samples.

[Jana]

Serbs were originally more similar to Albanians-East Slav mix like the Serbs in Southern Serbia.

Northern Serbia was in Habsburg and Hungarian domains for a long time. People from Southern Serbia moved north and vice versa.

Possible, but don't forget White Serbia bordered Germanic lands, it was located in modern day East Germany and Western Bohemia, so they could get some western admixture from there.

Just speculating :)

[Jana]

No, these are DNA Land's references for Northwest European:

Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR; British in England; Icelandic; Norwegian; Orcadian

So it is a mix of Insular Celtic and Germanic reference samples.

I mean FTDNA West-Central European cathegory.

[Bosniensis]

Serbs were originally more similar to Albanians-East Slav mix like the Serbs in Southern Serbia.

That's why Byzantine Emperors called Serbs "Thracians" or "Illyrians"

Maybe there was no difference between Serbs and Albanians in 12th century, same religion, byzantine language Greek..

Serbian and Albanian royality spoke Greek.

Maybe that's why Albanian language isn't well documented = because Albanians spoke Greek predominately back then where only common folk spoke Albanian.

It's not uncommon for such a large empires like a Roman Empire to have "Official Language" and "Language of peasents aka local language"

[Wrong]

Possible, but don't forget White Serbia bordered Germanic lands, it was located in modern day East Germany and Western Bohemia, so they could get some western admixture from there.

Just speculating :)
People with mixed results are often from non-isolated communities, it is common to get different results in the same ethnicity unless isolated in a mountain.

It is logically strongly doubtful that someone from a metropolitan area has some isolated ancient ancestry.

[Peterski]

Btw, Peterski has German ancestry

It is not anything recent, out of 16 great-great-grandparents I have 1 with German surname.

[Jana]

It is not anything recent, out of 16 great-great-grandparents I have 1 with German surname.

what's the difference ? It could be medieval and even older than that, from east germanic tribes like goths. Probably both.

[Peterski]

so don't think that's typical result for Poland

Very typical for my region and it has nothing to do with Prussia, but with more ancient times.

Also at least 10% of surnames in my region are German so my 1/16 is even below average.

[Jana]

Very typical for my region and it has nothing to do with Prussia, but with more ancient times.

Also at least 10% of surnames in my region are German so my 1/16 is even below average.

I wrote it is typical for Greater Poland. But you are known Germanophobe, so I don't know are you trying to lower German influence in Poland or not. :D

[Wrong]

I only trust homogenous results like 98%+ Balkan and not mixed-shifted results that can be anything.

Poles with 12% Sardinian, Mediterranean Islander, Southwestern Euro admixture? Get the heck outta here.

[Peterski]

I wrote it is typical for Greater Poland. But you are known Germanophobe, so I don't know are you trying to lower German influence in Poland or not. :D

German =/= Germanic. Saying otherwise is like saying that all Slavs are Russians.

Goths and Vandals had nothing to do with modern Germans.

I doubt if we can even talk about Germans in the modern sense before year 1871.

Germany is a bit like Yugoslavia, if you know what I mean.

[Jana]

German =/= Germanic. Saying otherwise is like saying that all Slavs are Russians.

Goths and Vandals had nothing to do with modern Germans.

But you have German surname among your ancestors. Germans migrated to Polish towns in middle ages, especially if you come from urban background.

Some of your NW European is Celtic and East Germanic for sure, but some of it is actual German.

You said you hate Germans because they killed some of your family in WW2, so maybe you are biased.

[Moje ime]

I only trust homogenous results like 98%+ Balkan and not mixed-shifted results that can be anything.

Poles with 12% Sardinian, Mediterranean Islander, Southwestern Euro admixture? Get the heck outta here.

Is 61% Balkan not much of Balkan? I would rather ask how much of real Balkan has someone with more southern Greek component.

[Wrong]

Is 61% Balkan not much of Balkan? I would rather ask how much of real Balkan has someone with more southern Greek component.
Bulgarians and FYROM have more of it since they're the most native-mixed South Slavs.

Majority of South Slavs are modeled basically Albanian + East Slavic whenever there is Albanian reference samples on Gedmatch.

[Peterski]

I did not say I hate Germans ??? I'm not biased. But a lot of Poles have some German ancestors. I can even risk to say that the majority have some (contrary to what you are claiming, that I'm supposedly special and my results are supposedly not representative - even though as I said I'm only aware of 1 German surname out of 16, which is mere 6%, not even close to my 36% Northwest Euro admixture in DNA Land).

German admix is in Eastern Poland too. For instance Harvard's Human Origins dataset has DNA collected in the Lublin Region and 3 out of 8 Lublin Polish samples have recent German admixture. Actually Germans from Eastern Poland were more likely to become Polonized due to being less numerous.

[Jana]

I did not say I hate Germans ??? I'm not biased. But a lot of Poles have some German ancestors. I can even risk to say that the majority have some (contrary to what you are claiming, that I'm supposedly special and my results are supposedly not representative - even though as I said I'm only aware of 1 German surname out of 16, which is mere 6%, not even close to my 36% Northwest Euro admixture in DNA Land).

German admix is in Eastern Poland too. For instance Harvard's Human Origins dataset has DNA collected in the Lublin Region and 3 out of 8 Lublin Polish samples have recent German admixture. Actually Germans from Eastern Poland were more likely to become Polonized due to being less numerous.

Does it means Poland is more mixed and less pure Slavic than people think ? I mean as a whole ?

[Moje ime]

Bulgarians and FYROM have more of it since they're the most native-mixed South Slavs.

Majority of South Slavs are modeled basically Albanian + East Slavic whenever there is Albanian reference samples on Gedmatch.

Ok but in the same time majority of Albanians have lot of Greek component which is more southern of Balkan
and many of them have some Italian admixture.

So I can say Albanians are more southern in their results compared to Balkan as a place.

[Bosniensis]

Ok but in the same time majority of Albanians have lot of Greek component which is more southern of Balkan
and many of them have some Italian admixture.

So I can say Albanians are more southern in their results compared to Balkan as a place.

All Serbian dynasties have Greek component.

Even last Roman Emperor was half Serb: Constantine XI (Helena Dragaš)

First Ottoman Emperor was half Serb xD (Mara Branković)

[Weiss]

Slavic + Nordic + Siberian.
No clue in which proportion, as my maternal grandfather was Bashkir, and both my haplogroups are Nordic

[Moje ime]

All Serbian dynasties have Greek component.

Even last Roman Emperor was half Serb: Constantine XI (Helena Dragaš)

First Ottoman Emperor was half Serb xD (Mara Branković)

Do you speak about Greek component as a test result?

[Jana]

Bulgarians and FYROM have more of it since they're the most native-mixed South Slavs.

Majority of South Slavs are modeled basically Albanian + East Slavic whenever there is Albanian reference samples on Gedmatch.

True, I get Belarus + Albania on gedmatch mixed mode oracles, or Lithuania + Tuscany.

[Bosniensis]

Do you speak about Greek component as a test result?

No, but confirmed marriages between Serbs and Greeks from 10th,11th,12th,13th and 14th centuries written in family chronicles of Serbian dynasties.

[Peterski]

Does it means Poland is more mixed and less pure Slavic than people think ? I mean as a whole ?

Well, it was ludicrous to assume that Poles are 100% purely Slavic to begin with.

Even if you link all of R1a with Slavic people then we still have 50-60% not 100% of it.

But it is also ridiculous to assume that we are mixed only because of Germans, Vlachs and others who came in the Middle Ages. As I said it is mostly ancient from Pre-Slavic inhabitants. Slavs did not expand into a vacuum, there had been other peoples here before them. Of course there is also a theory that Poland had always been Slavic since at least the Bronze Age. If you believe in this theory (we call it the autochthonous theory) then maybe you are justified to believe that Poles are purely Slavic. But if you believe that Slavs came to Poland from elsewhere, then why on Earth would you assume that they did not assimilate the previous population? During the Migration Period, there was a degree of depopulation, but it was nowhere close to 100%.

[Wrong]

Ok but in the same time majority of Albanians have lot of Greek component which is more southern of Balkan
and many of them have some Italian admixture.

So I can say Albanians are more southern in their results compared to Balkan as a place.
That makes you part-Greek too, then.
Albanians actually have only little Greek blood, they are only close to mainland Greeks in former Arvanite and Vlach-zones.

Albanians are not Slavs, so they are bound to be more Southern.

Serbian ethnographer noted the Albanians to be passionate lovers due to our "strong southern blood".


The Albanian character

Yet certain of these authors were ambivalent about the character of the Albanians. Even those who generally painted them in the blackest of colours, when they came into direct contact with them on their travels also acknowledged their many positive sides, which at times even raised them above Serbs. Thus the travel writer Ivan Ivanić described the Albanians of Kaçanik as handsome, tall men known for their bravery, whose love songs were very emotive, because their strong southern blood made them passionate lovers, and reported that guests were fully protected in their homes and their women untouchable (Ivanić, 1903).

[Kamal900]

East-Med of course which goes more than 39% of my genetic ancestry which I'm guessing that the component is Levantine in origins. I never seen a Greek or any European scores more than 30% with the exception of Cypriots of course. Randomguy and happycow are both Palestinians, and they score over 40% east-Med.

[Jana]

Well, it was ludicrous to assume that Poles are 100% purely Slavic to begin with.

Even if you link R1a with Slavic people then we still have 50-60% not 100% of it.

But it is also ridiculous to assume that we are mixed only because of Germans, Vlachs and others who came in the Middle Age. As I said it is mostly ancient from Pre-Slavic population. Slavs did not expand into a vacuum, there had been other peoples here before them. Then of course there is also a theory that Poland had always been Slavic since at least the Bronze Age. If you believe in this theory (we call it the autochthonous theory) then maybe you are justified to believe that Poles are purely Slavic. But if you believe that Slavs came to Poland from elsewhere, then why on Earth would you assume that they did not assimilate and mix with previous population?

During the Migration Period, there was a degree of depopulation, but it was nowhere close to 100%.

Not 100 % Slavic but close to it.

Good to see you recognize Poles are mixed, I will have that in mind next time Polish supremacist like Davidski look down on south slavs for being not enough slavic, lmao xD

[Jana]

That makes you part-Greek too, then.
Albanians actually have only little Greek blood, they are only close to mainland Greeks in former Arvanite and Vlach-zones.

Albanians are not Slavs, so they are bound to be more Southern.

Serbian ethnographer noted the Albanians to be passionate lovers due to our "strong southern blood".


The Albanian character

Yet certain of these authors were ambivalent about the character of the Albanians. Even those who generally painted them in the blackest of colours, when they came into direct contact with them on their travels also acknowledged their many positive sides, which at times even raised them above Serbs. Thus the travel writer Ivan Ivanić described the Albanians of Kaçanik as handsome, tall men known for their bravery, whose love songs were very emotive, because their strong southern blood made them passionate lovers, and reported that guests were fully protected in their homes and their women untouchable (Ivanić, 1903).

Ivan Ivanić is Croatian name btw :) Serb would be Jovan Jovanović.

[Wrong]

Ivan Ivanić is Croatian name btw :) Serb would be Jovan Jovanović.
Exactly. Followed by:

Hadži-Vasiljević praised their diligence; he stated that their fields and vineyards were of the best quality; that they were the best at animal husbandry and the best craftsmen; that when they had enough to live they were peaceful and good neighbours, and even trusted friends; that they were healthy and tough; that they did not say much, but liked to show off; that they were proud and conceited (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1909). He stressed their moderation, in that they drank little other than coffee; that they ate better than Serbs and cared more than the latter for cleanliness and health; that they were handsome, though not so much their women; and that the pretty women you did find among them derived from an Albanian-Serb mingling, and from beautiful Serb girls having converted to Islam. He said they were hospitable, quiet and polite, sober and clever, but also crafty and jealous (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1913).

[Peterski]

Not 100 % Slavic but close to it.

Good to see you recognize Poles are mixed, I will have that in mind next time Polish supremacist like Davidski look down on south slavs for being not enough slavic, lmao xD

And Davidski is also part German by the way.

But then Teutone and pretty much all the other German users I know from several forums are part Polish.

So it works both ways, a lot of Germans are part Polish.

But as I said if I'm 1/16 German then this does not affect my autosomal composition (it is just 6%, it is like nothing). So you have to find other explanations why I get such results as I get.

[Moje ime]

Exactly. Followed by:

Hadži-Vasiljević praised their diligence; he stated that their fields and vineyards were of the best quality; that they were the best at animal husbandry and the best craftsmen; that when they had enough to live they were peaceful and good neighbours, and even trusted friends; that they were healthy and tough; that they did not say much, but liked to show off; that they were proud and conceited (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1909). He stressed their moderation, in that they drank little other than coffee; that they ate better than Serbs and cared more than the latter for cleanliness and health; that they were handsome, though not so much their women; and that the pretty women you did find among them derived from an Albanian-Serb mingling, and from beautiful Serb girls having converted to Islam. He said they were hospitable, quiet and polite, sober and clever, but also crafty and jealous (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1913).

It's very nice but not related to thread. :bored:

[Wrong]

It's very nice but not related to thread. :bored:
Interest in Albanians rapidly declined following the formation of a Yugoslav state. They were mentioned in writing only accidentally; negatively, of course, but no longer as the main subject of interest or the main enemy. This role was taken over by Croats, who replaced first the Bulgarians and then the Albanians.


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Extracts translated from ‘U tradiciji nacionalizma ili stereotipi srpskih intelektualaca XX veka o "nama" i "drugima" [In the Tradition of Nationalism, or Serb intellectuals’ stereotypes about "us" and "them"]’,Ogledi no.1, The Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia, 2002. The original version has a full scholarly apparatus of references that has for the most part been omitted here.




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[Jana]

And Davidski is also part German by the way.

But then Teutone and pretty much all the other German users I know from several forums are part Polish.

So it works both ways, a lot of Germans are part Polish.

But as I said if I'm 1/16 German then this does not affect my autosomal composition (it is just 6%, it is like nothing). So you have to find other explanations why I get such results as I get.

Do you feel Poland is misinterpreted with Masovian samples that are mostly used in academic papers ?

That's why many of us tought Poles are less western shifted than you are, because Polish samples there cluster with East Slavs and Balts.

[Moje ime]

Interest in Albanians rapidly declined following the formation of a Yugoslav state. They were mentioned in writing only accidentally; negatively, of course, but no longer as the main subject of interest or the main enemy. This role was taken over by Croats, who replaced first the Bulgarians and then the Albanians.


<tbody>
Extracts translated from ‘U tradiciji nacionalizma ili stereotipi srpskih intelektualaca XX veka o "nama" i "drugima" [In the Tradition of Nationalism, or Serb intellectuals’ stereotypes about "us" and "them"]’,Ogledi no.1, The Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia, 2002. The original version has a full scholarly apparatus of references that has for the most part been omitted here.




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There wasn't any Albanian name mentioned in Serbian history and literature. They were known as Arbanasi or Arnauti.

[Wrong]

There wasn't any Albanian name mentioned in Serbian history and literature. They were known as Arbanasi or Arnauti.
Arvanite, Arbanite, Arbanas, Arnaut, Arnavut, Albanian, Arbanian, Arban.. Same thing in the end.

Albanci used by Serbs is more recent.

[Peterski]

Not 100 % Slavic but close to it.

One Scottish guy with a PhD in history told me that Poles think they are more Slavic than they are (we have strong Slavic identity) just like the English think they are more Germanic than they are. But with the English today it is changing, as now it is trendy to recognize their Celtic heritage.

Any Roman / Mediterranean admixture in England is still a taboo though.

[Peterski]

Sorry I think he used the word "Anglo-Saxon", not Germanic.

The English think they are more Anglo-Saxon than they are.

That Scottish guy believes that a lot of modern English Y-DNA may actually be Norman and French. After 1066 AD there were displacements and persecutions of Anglo-Saxons, especially of Anglo-Saxon nobility.

The entire ruling elite of England was French-speaking after 1066 AD, for several centuries.

[Peterski]

Do you feel Poland is misinterpreted with Masovian samples that are mostly used in academic papers ?

That's why many of us tought Poles are less western shifted than you are, because Polish samples there cluster with East Slavs and Balts.

I think Masovians are also far from being fully Slavic, but they are mixed with Balts (which is not common for other Polish groups). Baltic admixture is like Slavic x 2 in terms of "North-Easternness".

This is what makes them so North-Eastern shifted.

Before genetic studies people didn't expect that Balts are like an extreme version of Slavs.

[Jana]

I think Masovians are also far from being fully Slavic, but they are mixed with Balts (which is not common for other Polish groups). Baltic admixture is like Slavic x 2 in terms of "North-Easternness".

This is what makes them so North-Eastern shifted.

True. :thumb001:

[Norb]

Sorry I think he used the word "Anglo-Saxon", not Germanic.

The English think they are more Anglo-Saxon than they are.

That Scottish guy believes that a lot of modern English Y-DNA may actually be Norman and French. After 1066 AD there were displacements and persecutions of Anglo-Saxons, especially of Anglo-Saxon nobility.

The entire ruling elite of England was French-speaking after 1066 AD, for several centuries.

did he say what clades?

[Moje ime]

There are more, but If I remember their northwestern is German like, while your looks Celtic :D

Actually there are more with Irish Welsh component - Decius has it, also Dick said his mother has it.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

One Scottish guy with a PhD in history told me that Poles think they are more Slavic than they are (we have strong Slavic identity) just like the English think they are more Germanic than they are. But with the English today it is changing, as now it is trendy to recognize their Celtic heritage.

Aren't the British by far more Germanic than Celtic though?

[Peterski]

Aren't the British by far more Germanic than Celtic though?

They are mostly Pre-Germanic (mostly Non-Germanic).

But how much of it is Celtic, it depends on how you define Celtic.

[Jana]

Actually there are more with Irish Welsh component - Decius has it, also Dick said his mother has it.

Do you mean myheritage ethnic breakdown ?

There I get 6% Scandinavian and 4% English, so I guess my northwestern admixture is more Germanic. But it is suprisingly small, most Serbs here score more.

Would would have expected that ?

[Jana]

Aren't the British by far more Germanic than Celtic though?

Autosomaly they are more native Briton, but in paternal lineages they are mostly Germanic.

I heard they can be modeled as 3/4 insular celtic + 1/4 North German/Danish.

Probably small amounts of Roman admixture too, but that is more specifically for south of England.

[Moje ime]

Do you mean myheritage ethnic breakdown ?


Yes, MyHeritage result.

[alnortedelsur]

IDK, depends on the calculator.

SW European, Atlantic, North Atlantic, etc.

Iberian according to 23andme, and Iberian/Italian according to Ancestry DNA and MyHeritage.

[Peterski]

but in paternal lineages they are mostly Germanic.

We don't really know.

For example there was some R1b-U106 in Roman-era Britain, so maybe not all of it came with Germanics. Also I assume you are talking about the English not about the British in general?

Typically Germanic paternal lineages are about 1/2 in England IIRC.

[Leto]

I'm Northeastern European, so I'm probably over 50% European HG genetically.

[Peterski]

There I get 6% Scandinavian and 4% English

I just get "North and West" without any detailed breakdown there:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246632-MyHeritage-regional-averages

But I uploaded my raw data there long ago (family members later).

Maybe I will re-upload so they will give me a new updated estimate?

[Bunalim]

North Western European + West Asian/Caucasus

[Jana]

We don't really know.

For example there was some R1b-U106 in Roman-era Britain, so maybe not all of it came with Germanics. Also I assume you are talking about the English not about the British in general?

Typically Germanic paternal lineages are about 1/2 in England IIRC.

Probably these Roman gladiators were captured Germanic slaves ?

I don't think there is a better candidate for proto Germanic haplogroup than R-S21, but maybe some specific subclades could be celtic.

[Óttar]

British Isles.

[Peterski]

Probably these Roman gladiators were captured Germanic slaves ?

They don't seem to be fully Germanic in terms of autosomal DNA. Maybe partially but not fully.


I don't think there is a better candidate for proto Germanic haplogroup than R-S21, but maybe some specific subclades could be celtic.

This is likely considering there was S21 in Bohemia long before Germanic tribes came there:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237400-R1b-U106-from-Unetice-culture

[Jana]

They don't seem to be fully Germanic in terms of autosomal DNA. Maybe partially but not fully.



This is likely considering there was S21 in Bohemia long before Germanic tribes came there:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237400-R1b-U106-from-Unetice-culture

Interesting, but isn't Unetice ancestral culture of proto Italics, Celts and Germanics ?

[Peterski]

Interesting, but isn't Unetice ancestral culture of proto Italics, Celts and Germanics ?

Nope, I think that ancestral to Germanics is the Nordic Bronze Age and/or Jastorf.


According to 23andMe, Balkan is the most dominant component.

Really? You said your results were rather Russian-like.

[Jana]

Nope, I think that ancestral to Germanics is the Nordic Bronze Age and/or Jastorf.

I don't think so, since these 2 are younger than Unetice. They should be proto Germanic. Unetice seem ancestral to proto-Germanic and others.


Unetice Culture (c. 2300-1600 BCE)

Associated with the diffusion of Proto-Germanic and Proto-Celto-Italic speakers.

[Peterski]

Wikipedia is often not a reliable source IMO.

And by the way the Swedish sample of S21 is older than the Bohemian one:

http://i.imgur.com/pg2bEQX.png

The Bohemian sample is from 2200-1700 BC.

[Annie999]

My known ancestry is 56% italian.

Genetically:
23andme : 41% after the phasing changed to 31% (+ 18% pan south euro)
AncestryDNA: 49%
My Heritage: 55,9%

[Morena]

Iberian

[TEUTORIGOS]

According to AncestryDNA estimate

1.)52% Celtic Irish/Scottish

2.)British/English-Norse

[Teutonski]

MyHeritage says Northwest European 88%

Also stop saying I am Polish Peter, no Gedmatch or Test said this, im only 12% Baltic.

[Peterski]

im only 12% Baltic.

How does being Baltic exclude being Polish? There are Baltic Poles as well.

And they often have Baltid phenotypes (do you know what is a Baltid phenotype?).

Poles from Masovia are genetically Baltic. Warsaw is even a Baltic toponym:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246681-Are-every-toponyms-and-hydronyms-with-suffix-quot-va-quot-exclusively-Baltic


I came across some opinions that every toponyms and hydronyms with the suffix "-va" (such as Moskva, Pskov (Pleskava), Warszaw (Varshava), Jelgava ) originate from Baltic languages, how accurate is that?

Any opinions?

[Teutonski]

How does being Baltic exclude being Polish? There are Baltic Poles as well.

And they often have Baltid phenotypes (do you know what is a Baltid phenotype?).

Poles from Masovia are genetically Baltic. Warsaw is even a Baltic toponym:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246681-Are-every-toponyms-and-hydronyms-with-suffix-quot-va-quot-exclusively-Baltic

Noone of my ancestors was a Polish national

[Peterski]

Noone of my ancestors was a Polish national

:picard1: Simply because you have not traced your family tree back to the 1400s-1600s.

It was back at that time when Masuria was settled by immigrants from Poland.

[Ülev]

Moskva - from Mosque

[Teutonski]

:picard1: Simply because you have not traced your family tree back to the 1400s-1600s.

It was back at that time when Masuria was settled by immigrants from Poland.

So how can I be Polish, what kind of logic is that.

[Peterski]

So how can I be Polish, what kind of logic is that.

In terms of ethnicity, language and culture. I'm not talking about you but part of your ancestors.

BTW, none of my ancestors was a German national before 1871 either (after that date, between 1871 and WW1, 100% of my ancestors were German nationals - but before 1871 none of them was).

Germany didn't exist before 1871. I doubt we can even talk about Germans as a people in 1870.

Before 1871 there were Prussian nationals, Saxon nationals, etc. but not German.

I think Germany after 1871 was a construct similar to Yugoslavia.

[Ülev]

So how can I be Polish, what kind of logic is that.
"mine, mine, mine logic" - btw common in many countries, ahaha

https://youtu.be/p-3e0EkvIEM
or
https://youtu.be/H4BNbHBcnDI

[Teutonski]

In terms of ethnicity, language and culture. I'm not talking about you but part of your ancestors.

Ethnicity 0% slav

Polish culture? The only thing I got in common with Polish is the Religion and universal culture that comes with it.

Language? Wut?

You got German in you and I never claimed you are German, you try to polonize a guy that is closer to dutch people than to most other Germans

[Peterski]

Check this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236884-Germanness-in-the-19th-century

Quote:


The romantic writer Heinrich von Kleist, although himself a nationalist, acknowledged the contradictions of identity found in 19th century Germany, imagining a young nationalist confronting his father with an assertion of German nationality, and the father’s indignant reply that the son was born in Meissen and is therefore a Saxon, tartly observing that this mythical land of “Germany” can be found on no map, and its people in no census.

[Thracian]

Nope, I think that ancestral to Germanics is the Nordic Bronze Age and/or Jastorf.



Really? You said your results were rather Russian-like.

I think that you confuse with someone else. I have never said my results Russian-like. Some GM calculators give me Russian around 40% for 2 way oracles and 25% for 4 way oracles. Most likely my Slavic component comes from Western Ukraine or Poland according to my Y-DNA.

[Teutonski]

Check this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236884-Germanness-in-the-19th-century

Quote:

I dont care what you or any historical person says, german identity and germany are facts

[Kelmendasi]

Balkan/SE Euro

[Peterski]

Noone of my ancestors was a Polish national

Well you said you still have relatives in Poland so they are surely Polish nationals.

[Teutonski]

Well you said you still have relatives in Poland so they are surely Polish nationals.

My great Grandfather would be the last DIRECT ancestors living and diying in Masuria, he was a German national and genetically and a NSDAP member.

One Sister of my Grandfather has a Polish husband and is a Polish national, love them and her polish husband, kids etc

I just dont like when you lie about me

[Peterski]

I just dont like when you lie about me

You called Angela Merkel 100% Polish but you don't like when your own Polishness is exaggerated?

Anyway can you post your DNA Land too?

[Teutonski]

You called Angela Merkel 100% Polish but you don't like when your own Polishness is exaggerated?

Anyway can you post your DNA Land too?

I never said she is 100% Polish I said her father is for sure, and DNALAND is useless confusing baltic with Balkan and Slavic, like you said on your own lol

[Carlito's Way]

Italian

[Carlito's Way]

I'm genetically 100% papi

[Dick]

Slavic

[Leto]

I never said she is 100% Polish I said her father is for sure, and DNALAND is useless confusing baltic with Balkan and Slavic, like you said on your own lol
When will we see Ang-Allah's DNA results? People claim she is part Jewish, but I'm almost sure she isn't.

[Teutonski]

When will we see Ang-Allah's DNA results? People claim she is part Jewish, but I'm almost sure she isn't.

Who knows what she is, she is 100% a cultural marxist, played a opputunistic role in the GDR regime and investigations about her links at the Stasi under the nickname "Im Erika" where stopped and evidence got lost.

Which is a common thing in wannabe free demiocracy Germany, our intelligence agency is corrupted and a servant of the ruling class.

[8888]

Before 1871 there were Prussian nationals, Saxon nationals, etc. but not German.

I think Germany after 1871 was a construct similar to Yugoslavia.

Yeah, but Germanic ethnos, race, culture always existed since Germanic ethnogenesis. Ethnos =/= modern nations. So, yeah, Pan-Germania includes Austrians (most of them at least), South Tyroleans, Baltic Germans etc. You strike me as a frustrated Pole who is ashamed of being a Polack raped by Germanics for centuries, that's why you're trying to deconstruct Germanic identity.

[Kamal900]

Slavic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmMgBAeFWQ

[Thambi]

south asian/south indian

[Ülev]

I would like "Yugoslavian", therefore doesn't matter if Illyrian or Thracian, I said that as a fan of dr Jovan Deretić

[Peterski]

Yeah, but Germanic ethnos, race, culture always existed since Germanic ethnogenesis.

But Germanic =/= German, just like Slavic =/= Russian.

But of course both German imperialists and Russian imperialists claim that everything which is Slavic is Russian and everything which is Germanic is German, respectively.

[Bobby Martnen]

Anglo-Saxon.

[Teutonski]

But Germanic =/= German, just like Slavic =/= Russian.

But of course both German imperialists and Russian imperialists claim that everything which is Slavic is Russian and everything which is Germanic is German, respectively.

Bullshit, we never claim Scandinavia or Brittian are German but GERMANIC.

You are lost in your mentality really

[Bobby Martnen]

In terms of ethnicity, language and culture. I'm not talking about you but part of your ancestors.

BTW, none of my ancestors was a German national before 1871 either (after that date, between 1871 and WW1, 100% of my ancestors were German nationals - but before 1871 none of them was).

Germany didn't exist before 1871. I doubt we can even talk about Germans as a people in 1870.

Before 1871 there were Prussian nationals, Saxon nationals, etc. but not German.

I think Germany after 1871 was a construct similar to Yugoslavia.

Germans have been an ethnicity much longer than they have been a unified state.

The fact that Pennsylvania Dutch* are called that, and not "Pennsylvania Rhinelanders", indicates that German ethnic consciousness existed long before Bismarck unified Germany.

* "Dutch" was the standard English word for Germans centuries ago.

[Peterski]

Bullshit, we never claim Scandinavia or Brittian are German but GERMANIC.

But Nazi Germany claimed that Poland used to be Gothic so they had to "regain" it.

And they kidnapped blonde Polish children claiming they had to be "Re-Germanized".

Also in 1940 you actually did claim that England had to be "reclaimed" by Germany.

What about the German invasions of Denmark and Norway in 1940?

[Peterski]

What about Prussian-Danish wars for Schleswig ???

There was German "Drang Nach Norden" as well.

[Teutonski]

But Nazi Germany claimed that Poland used to be Gothic so they had to "regain" it.

And they kidnapped blonde Polish children claiming they had to be "Re-Germanized".

Also in 1940 you actually did claim that England had to be "reclaimed" by Germany.

What about the German invasions of Denmark and Norway in 1940?

Do you know that nazi times were from 1933-1945? I guess you dont, cause you act like they ruled for 100years not just for 12 years.

[Bobby Martnen]

When will we see Ang-Allah's DNA results? People claim she is part Jewish, but I'm almost sure she isn't.

ANGELA MERKEL GEDMATCH

EAST MED: 33.33
WEST ASIAN: 33.33
RED SEA: 33.33

[Alessio]

Don't have one major component, I guess I'm a mix between Northwestern and Southern European.

[Teutonski]

What about Prussian-Danish wars for Schleswig ???

There was German "Drang Nach Norden" as well.

Why would we have war with them if they are German brothers? You contradict yourself, German brothers like Austrians freely joined the Reich and we went to WW1 with as sign of unity.

[Marinus]

Pretty evenly Northwestern Iberia and Southwestern Britain.

[Bobby Martnen]

What about Prussian-Danish wars for Schleswig ???

There was German "Drang Nach Norden" as well.

Sleswick was German land under Danish occupation. Good thing Bismarck liberated it.

[Peterski]

Do you know that nazi times were from 1933-1945? I guess you dont, cause you act like they ruled for 100years not just for 12 years.

We have a saying "przezorny zawsze ubezpieczony" ("one who is cautious is always secure").

So we have to be wary of Germans.

We know that you are no longer Nazis but there is a "sleeping Nazi" inside every German. :)

[Leto]

But Germanic =/= German, just like Slavic =/= Russian.

But of course both German imperialists and Russian imperialists claim that everything which is Slavic is Russian and everything which is Germanic is German, respectively.
Nah, we usually say that the East Slavs are Russian (in a broader sense) which was really the case up until the Soviet period when all the nation building accelerated in the former empire. But very few people would seriously say West and South Slavs are Russians, lol.

[8888]

Sleswick was German land under Danish occupation. Good thing Bismarck liberated it.

Yeah, some of the territories of current Poland, Czechoslovakia and Russia also need to be regained. New Germania will rise.

[Teutonski]

We have a saying "przezorny zawsze ubezpieczony" ("one who is cautious is always secure").

So we have to be wary of Germans.

We know that you are no longer Nazis but there is a "sleeping Nazi" inside every German. :)

Wary us how much you want, I even want you to build a wall at our border please. We want to have nothing to do with eastern Europe.

[Teutonski]

Nah, we usually say that the East Slavs are Russian (in a broader sense) which was really the case up until the Soviet period when all the nation building accelerated in the former empire. But very few people would seriously say West and South Slavs are Russians, lol.

Leave it he is stuck in the Polish victim mentallity, very much like the jews he likes so much.

Everything negative gets blamed on Germans and Russians lol

[Ülev]

Nah, we usually say that the East Slavs are Russian (in a broader sense) which was really the case up until the Soviet period when all the nation building accelerated in the former empire. But very few people would seriously say West and South Slavs are Russians, lol.


Poland is a geopolitical funnel that has been important to Russian military history over several times. It's in the Northern European Plain, which means that any army that approaches Russia has a decently predictable route to approach the country from (between the Baltic sea and the Carpathian mountains). The whole reason why Russia wants Poland in the first place is to create as much distance between Moscow and Russian heartland and NATO territory. The whole mindset of Russia for the last 20 years since the collapse of the USSR has been mostly defensive. Since Russia was the smallest it had been in centuries.

Don't forget that Russia has minorities in the Baltic countries that it can use as pieces if it wishes. They also want access to their Baltic port of Kaliningrad, which is surrounded by hostile countries. Russia's whole reason for the annexation of Crimea was to get direct access to warmwater ports. Never trust the idea of Russian nationalism, its based on literal inflation and expansion.

[Norb]

We have a saying "przezorny zawsze ubezpieczony" ("one who is cautious is always secure").

So we have to be wary of Germans.

We know that you are no longer Nazis but there is a "sleeping Nazi" inside every German. :)

you dont have to worry about a 'sleeping 'Nazi'' Peterski they are never coming back, Germans are the most brainwashed in Europe..

[Peterski]

Sleswick was German land under Danish occupation. Good thing Bismarck liberated it.

Schleswig is just Germanized, but originally it was Danish.

The oldest capital city of Denmark - Hedeby - is in Schleswig.

The Eider River was the border between Danes and Saxons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eider_%28river%29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Nordens_Historie_-_S%C3%B8nderjylland.gif

Most of the Germans in this area are just Danes in denial.

[Leto]

ANGELA MERKEL GEDMATCH

EAST MED: 33.33
WEST ASIAN: 33.33
RED SEA: 33.33
Ahaha. And why 0% SSA? The number of blacks in Germany has increased dramatically under her leadership.

[Bobby Martnen]

Schleswig is just Germanized, but originally it was Danish.

The oldest capital of Denmark - Hedeby - is in Schleswig.

The Eider River was the border between Danes and Saxons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eider_%28river%29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Nordens_Historie_-_S%C3%B8nderjylland.gif

Most of the Germans in this area are just Danes in denial.

Danes are confused Germans who got lost in the woods.

[Bobby Martnen]

Ahaha. And why 0% SSA? The number of blacks in Germany has increased dramatically under her leadership.

Because although she's had a lot of SSA in her, it's not in her DNA. It's in a different part of her...

[alnortedelsur]

Ahaha. And why 0% SSA? The number of blacks in Germany has increased dramatically under her leadership.

She is a traitor to her own people. Fuck with that anti German and anti European woman.

[Ülev]

Danes are confused Germans who got lost in the woods.

hello Albanian friend, what about greater Albania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Albania)?

[Bobby Martnen]

hello Albanian friend, what about greater Albania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Albania)?

Kosovo je Srbija

[Teutonski]

Kosovo je Srbija

Kosovo je Poland like all of Europe according to Peterski the Polish Adolf :D

[Teutonski]

Pjetr Hitlerczijeckzki

[Leto]

Keep the spirit of Nazism alive in Poland! lol :lol:

[Leto]

She is a traitor to her own people. Fuck with that anti German and anti European woman.
Yeah, that feeling when even a Venezuelan Hispanic is too white for the German government ;)

[Peterski]

Leave it he is stuck in the Polish victim mentallity

What?

I'm not the one whining about my country committing a cultural suicide or being overran by the Moslems.

It's a warrior mentality, I want to fight someone but everyone is already defeated. :(

[Teutonski]

One user once called Peterski a slavic gypsy but instead of goods he steals national identities and terriotories

[Teutonski]

What?

I'm not the one whining about my country committing a cultural suicide or being overran by the Moslems.

It's a warrior mentality, I want to fight someone but everyone is already defeated. :(



LOL. Jews think that I like Germans and Germans think that I like Jews. It's good you are so confused.

You never were a threat to us, that a bunch of lowlife Immigrants are more a threat to Germany than 1000+years living next to Poland, says everything about what kind of warriors you are.

[Peterski]

You never were a threat to us, that a bunch of lowlife Immigrants are more a threat to Germany than 1000+years living next to Poland, says everything about what kind of warriors you are.

LOL.

Do you realize that Germany was never able to defeat Poland in any war without Russian help? And if you think we are not a threat then wait for WW3 and we'll see where your eastern border will be.

[Teutonski]

LOL. Do you realize that Germany was never able to defeat Poland in any war without Russian help? And if you think we are not a threat then wait for WW3 and we'll see where your eastern border will be.

Who gives a shit? I have no desire in defeating you, I have a desire to build a hughe and big wall at our border. Its good for you and for us kurwa

[Peterski]

After WW3 we will restore the old Slavic names of your cities:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=99597

Berlin - Braliń or Berolin
Hamburg - Bogbór
Munich - Mnichów
Frankfurt - Frankobród
Koeln - Kolin
Leipzig - Lipsk
Dresden - Drezno
Zwickau - Ćwikawa or Świków
Chemnitz - Kamienica
Schwerin - Swarzyn or Zwierzyn
Potsdam - Postąpin
Rostock - Roztoka
Magdeburg - Dziewiń
Halle a.d. Saale - Dobrogóra
Jena - Jenawa
Gera - Gierzawa
Erfurt - Jarobród
Cottbus - Chociebuż
Regensburg - Rzeźno
Fuerth - Bród
Moguncja - Mogucz
Wolfsburg - Wilków
Luebeck - Lubeka, Bukowiec

[Leto]

@Teutone, in the age of globalism and mass migration hating on the English and the Poles is a bit silly and even detrimental. Today we have different challenges and far bigger threats than some petty feuds. Just my opinion. Today ideology divides people more than ethnicity. I would have far more in common with an American right-wing Christian conservative than with a Russian liberal atheist, for example.

[Jana]

:lmao:

[Teutonski]

@Teutone, in the age of globalism and mass migration hating on the English and the Poles is a bit silly and even detrimental. Today we have different challenges and far bigger threats than some petty feuds. Just my opinion. Today ideology divides people more than ethnicity. I would have far more in common with an American right-wing Christian conservative than with a Russian liberal atheist, for example.

I hate on Poles? He hates on German and act like a nazi

[Marmara]

West Asian

[Teutonski]

After WW3 we will restore the old Slavic names of your cities:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=99597

Berlin - Braliń or Berolin
Hamburg - Bogbór
Munich - Mnichów
Frankfurt - Frankobród
Koeln - Kolin
Leipzig - Lipsk
Dresden - Drezno
Zwickau - Ćwikawa or Świków
Chemnitz - Kamienica
Schwerin - Swarzyn or Zwierzyn
Potsdam - Postąpin
Rostock - Roztoka
Magdeburg - Dziewiń
Halle a.d. Saale - Dobrogóra
Jena - Jenawa
Gera - Gierzawa
Erfurt - Jarobród
Cottbus - Chociebuż
Regensburg - Rzeźno
Fuerth - Bród
Moguncja - Mogucz
Wolfsburg - Wilków
Luebeck - Lubeka, Bukowiec

I am totally scared

[Peterski]

hates on German and act like a nazi

Good that you finally realized that German Nazis were the biggest Germanophobes in history.

Hitler even said: "Germans are a weak people, they were unable to capture Moscow for me!".

[Teutonski]

Good that you finally realized that German Nazis were the biggest Germanophobes in history.

Hitler even said: "Germans are a weak people, they were unable to capture Moscow for me!".

Finally my ass kurwa

[Jana]

Today we have different challenges and far bigger threats than some petty feuds. Just my opinion. Today ideology divides people more than ethnicity. I would have far more in common with an American right-wing Christian conservative than with a Russian liberal atheist, for example.

Hmm, why are than Ukrainians and Russians at war with each other ?

Truth is, if European identity is to survive old rivalries and opposite interests will remain unless we perish, I think.

I don't expect peace with our neighbours in this century at all for example, it would be naive to think...

[alnortedelsur]

Yeah, that feeling when even a Venezuelan Hispanic is too white for the German government ;)

I identify mostly with my Spanish background, but I am also on behalf of the European preservation, and the preservation of each European ethnicity. She and her executive cabinet are the German equivalent to the anti Spanish political party Podemos.

These people are destroying Europe. I'm not fully European, but it pisses me off that the continent where most of my background is from, gets ruined, and its population being replaced because of these corrupt leftie politicians who only care for themselves and not for the collective.

[Leto]

Hmm, why are than Ukrainians and Russians at war with each other ?

Truth is, if European identity is to survive old rivalries and opposite interests will remain unless we perish, I think.

I don't expect peace with our neighbours in this century at all for example, it would be naive to think...
That's a difficult question. The UA revolution was obviously instigated from abroad (McCain, Nuland, Biden and Soros were all there from the start). Anyway, that was my opinion. I don't hate Ukrainians at all, I simply think they are deeply deluded.
The Balkans are a political mess. But larger European nations have better views on each other.

[Ülev]

meanwhile in the South-West Poland, so called "recovered territories"

https://s33.postimg.cc/h9vlxldi7/deutsche.jpg

[Leto]

I identify mostly with my Spanish background, but I am also on behalf of the European preservation, and the preservation of each European ethnicity. She and her executive cabinet are the German equivalent to the anti Spanish political party Podemos.
Great point, I agree. :thumb001:

[Teutonski]

That's a difficult question. The UA revolution was obviously instigated from abroad (McCain, Nuland, Biden and Soros were all there from the start). Anyway, that was my opinion. I don't hate Ukrainians at all, I simply think they are deeply deluded.
The Balkans are a political mess. But larger European nations have better views on each other.

You dont see any problem that the brittish royals and the US empire coorperate with jews against "white" intrests since couple of houndred years? Imagine islamisation and cultural marxism like cancer, and imagine the ones that are causing it (anglo.saxon - zionist connection) are like smoking. You can get a chemical therapy and even beat the cancer, but would you keep smoking after that? I hope this analogy makes sense.

[Peterski]

You never were a threat to us

What makes you think that we even tried to be a threat?

From the 1300s onwards Poland was more focused on eastward expansion than westward.


He hates on German

What evidence do you have? Saying that you are part Polish is not hating on Germans LOL.

[Teutonski]

What makes you think that we even tried to be a threat?

From the 1300s onwards Poland was more focused on eastward expansion than westward.



What evidence do you have? Saying that you are part Polish is not hating on Germans LOL.

That you cannot even relfect what you said few pages ago already speaks about the lost case talking to you.

[Jana]

That's a difficult question. The UA revolution was obviously instigated from abroad (McCain, Nuland, Biden and Soros were all there from the start). Anyway, that was my opinion. I don't hate Ukrainians at all, I simply think they are deeply deluded.
The Balkans are a political mess. But larger European nations have better views on each other.

Yes, but Ukrainian identity existed before that , they simply don't want to be Russians. Problem is that half of Ukraine is inhabited by ethnic Russians and Crimea never belonged to Ukraine in the first place. But they still have right to exist, right ?

I don't think French or English views are superior to our region. They still deeply despise each other, just they play fake nice while here people openly hate each other. I hope it changes tough, ofcourse.

[Leto]

You dont see any problem that the brittish royals and the US empire coorperate with jews against "white" intrests since couple of houndred years? Imagine islamisation and cultural marxism like cancer, and imagine the ones that are causing it (anglo.saxon - zionist connection) are like smoking. You can get a chemical therapy and even beat the cancer, but would you keep smoking after that? I hope this analogy makes sense.
They don't represent the interests of the ordinary white people in those countries. Trump is far from a fascist or a religious fanatic but as soon as she spoke out against globalism, he was raked over the coals by the entire establishment.

[Peterski]

Also IIRC you claimed that Merkel is Polish.

And she is definitely a threat to Germany.

[Teutonski]

They don't represent the interests of the ordinary white people in those countries. Trump is far from a fascist or a religious fanatic but as soon as she spoke out against globalism, he was raked over the coals by the entire establishment.

Trump fooled the entire nation and anti-globalist movement, his daughter married a jew and his jewish son in law is manipulating him. Dont be naive about the Anglo-Saxons man

[Peterski]

I hate on Poles?

Yes. For example you just claimed I acted like a Nazi, which is offensive for a Pole.

Also it is sooo leftist and cultural marxist. They see Fascists and Nazis everywhere.

[Leto]

Yes, but Ukrainian identity existed before that , they simply don't want to be Russians. Problem is that half of Ukraine is inhabited by ethnic Russians and Crimea never belonged to Ukraine in the first place. But they still have right to exist, right ?

I don't think French or English views are suprerior to our region. They still deeply despise each other, just they play fake nice while here people openly hate each other. I hope it changes tough, ofcourse.
Okay, but what do you suggest? Embracing full globalism and intermixing? Or a total war?
I think you out there in Croatia don't have to deal with foreign races and religions in large numbers, so to you Orthodox Serbs are still the most foreign group.

[Leto]

Trump fooled the entire nation and anti-globalist movement, his daughter married a jew and his jewish son in law is manipulating him. Dont be naive about the Anglo-Saxons man
Globalists have no national allegiance. Yes, Trump is a disappointment. But I think they simply didn't allow him to implement his agenda.

[Jana]

Okay, but what do you suggest? Embracing full globalism and intermixing? Or a total war?
I think you out there in Croatia don't have to deal with foreign races and religions in large numbers, so to you Orthodox Serbs are still the most foreign group.

Well we have islam here, and it makes no problem because Bosniaks are Europeans and speak same language, they were always secular (but this has rapidly changed after war, so it may become problem)

Serbs aren't foreign, just Serbia never gave up from it's imperialism towards Croats and Bosniaks so we feel they are threat , especially with current leadership who participated in war against us.

I think difference between western Europe and Croatia is that here foreigners could never impose their culture, or harass locals. They would end up dead, while westerners are more tolerant and liberal.

[Gwydion]

Genetically: British Isles generally, Great Britain more specifically, and Celtic Britain (judging by my closeness to ancient Celtic Britons on MDLP K11 and other calculators vis-a-vis Anglo-Saxons and other Germanics) even more specifically. Y-DNA also associated with Celts.

Genealogically: British (mostly English by percentage but a Scottish paternal lineage and some Welsh), then Irish, then German. More distantly (18th century and beyond) is ancestry from the Low Countries, more Dutch but also some Walloon as well as Northern French bordering modern Belgium.

In short, Britain and especially Celtic Britain for me.

[Teutonski]

Globalists have no national allegiance. Yes, Trump is a disappointment. But I think they simply didn't allow him to implement his agenda.

They simply used him from the beginning, I mean I was fooled by him too, but if you reflect to what he said before and check about his family, it could have been clear that he will not keep any promise

[Peterski]

Keep the spirit of Nazism alive in Poland! lol :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwfmBJXeNhY

Going Fascist is the best strategy for Poland in Hearts of Iron IV:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rAAGwiQ3C4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnZ7eL-HAHk

[Leto]

"Liberals" and "centrists" love looking down and despising the so called "far-right" (identitarians, white nationalists, etc.) calling them Nazis, bigots, idiots, etc. But the funny thing is that those people (many of them, not all) actually try to put aside all the past feuds and resentments in order to work together for the common good. Their opponents, on the other hand, tend to preach diversity (non-Europeans, non-Christians) while hating on other Europeans. For example, in Britain you can almost freely talk shit about Poles or Russians, but you can't do the same with blacks and Muslims.

[Ülev]

provincial town in the UK(raine)
https://youtu.be/vnnEOPl0Ap8

provincial town in the East (but East Germany)
https://youtu.be/zUJ2rPvPvoE

why is that?

[Jana]

"Liberals" and "centrists" love looking down and despising the so called "far-right" (identitarians, white nationalists, etc.) calling them Nazis, bigots, idiots, etc. But the funny thing is that those people (many of them, not all) actually try to put aside all the past feuds and resentments in order to work together for the common good. Their opponents, on the other hand, tend to preach diversity (non-Europeans, non-Christians) while hating on other Europeans. For example, in Britain you can almost freely talk shit about Poles or Russians, but you can't do the same with blacks and Muslims.

They think worse about blacks and muslims, just they won't say because they could end up being punished while nobody will punish their bashing of Poles or Russians.

[Leto]

They think worse about blacks and muslims, just they won't say because they could end up being punished while nobody will punish their bashing of Poles or Russians.
I think Nigel Farage said he was against the EU migration but didn't mind the Commonwealth migration (Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Jamaica). ;)

[Teutonski]

"Liberals" and "centrists" love looking down and despising the so called "far-right" (identitarians, white nationalists, etc.) calling them Nazis, bigots, idiots, etc. But the funny thing is that those people (many of them, not all) actually try to put aside all the past feuds and resentments in order to work together for the common good. Their opponents, on the other hand, tend to preach diversity (non-Europeans, non-Christians) while hating on other Europeans. For example, in Britain you can almost freely talk shit about Poles or Russians, but you can't do the same with blacks and Muslims.

First of all real Europeans care more about ethnicty than races, secondly you got races in Europe that caused all of this houndred years ago, and your Tsar was part of it. But the main blame is the Anglo-Saxons

[Jana]

I think Nigel Farage said he was against the EU migration but didn't mind the Commonwealth migration (Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Jamaica). ;)

Lol, that's crazy. But I wouldn't mind if Britain went down, they elites did so much evil to the world including to my people.

[8888]

Poland still exists only because of Anglo help. If it were left alone it would have been destroyed by Germans thousands of times. All your men killed and your women that could qualify racially used as wombs for big Aryan Germanic men. Roundheaded Poles would disappear in one or two generations.

Germans >> Poles, that's ovious and everyone knows it.

[Leto]

Yes, but Ukrainian identity existed before that , they simply don't want to be Russians. Problem is that half of Ukraine is inhabited by ethnic Russians and Crimea never belonged to Ukraine in the first place. But they still have right to exist, right ?

Not half. I guess like 75-80% identify as Ukrainian. But many of them speak Russian in everyday life. I'm not saying Ukraine should be eliminated as a sovereign state or anything like that. But basing your entire identity on hatred towards your brother people is simply crazy. We're all descendants of the Rus, I'm of Bel/Rus parentage basically and we've always viewed us as one people. There's millions of people with Ukrainian ancestry in Russia and they are no different from the rest. To me only the Ukrainian-speaking Rusyn West is like a different ethnic group, but people to the east of Kiev are not so much.

[Jana]

Not half. I guess like 75-80% identify as Ukrainian. But many of them speak Russian in everyday life. I'm not saying Ukraine should be eliminated as a sovereign state or anything like that. But basing your entire identity on hatred towards your brother people is simply crazy. We're all descendants of the Rus, I'm of Bel/Rus parentage basically and we've always viewed us as one people. There's millions of people with Ukrainian ancestry in Russia and they are no different from the rest. To me only the Ukrainian-speaking Rusyn West is like a different ethnic group, but people to the east of Kiev are not so much.

All East Slavs descend from Rus. It's crazy how homogenous they are considering large territories they inhabit.

I hope peace between East Slavs and South Slavs too, West Slavs already have it :)

[Leto]

Lol, that's crazy. But I wouldn't mind if Britain went down, they elites did so much evil to the world including to my people.
Their elite has never represented the common people. You are unfair, Britain has given a lot to the world, tons of inventors and scientists. Hell, even parliamentarism was born there.

[Insuperable]

Lol, that's crazy. But I wouldn't mind if Britain went down, they elites did so much evil to the world including to my people.

What exactly did they do to Croatia? I think you and Robocop are extremely annoying and short sighted no offence, especially with your good Samartian caring about evil in the world side vs european nation. It is time to move forward and move all grudges aside, especially when it comes to european countries. I for example don't want any European nation to go down, including Serbs (on contrary I wish them everything the best).

[Jana]

Their elite has never represented the common people. You are unfair, Britain has given a lot to the world, tons of inventors and scientists. Hell, even parliamentarism was born there.

I am fan of British culture. But not of their politics. British interests started WW1 which led to WW2 in the end and destruction of classical European culture.

Don't forget how many people they killed all over the world.

[Leto]

All East Slavs descend from Rus. It's crazy how homogenous they are considering large territories they inhabit.

I hope peace between East Slavs and South Slavs too, West Slavs already have it :)
Yeah, but I mean Ukrainians to the west of Kiev are more different from Russians culturally (and even phenotypically) than people in Odessa, Nikolaev or Kharkov. Even their folk costumes are approaching those of their Western and Southwestern neighbors.

[Jana]

What exactly did they do to Croatia? I think you and Robocop are extremely annoying and short sighted no offence, especially with your good Samartian caring about evil in the world side. It is time to move forward and move all grudges aside, especially when it comes to european countries. I for example don't want any European nation to go down, including Serbs (on contrary I wish them everything the best).

Creation of Yugoslavia for a start. Returning Croatian war prisoners to communists who slaughtered them after that. Maybe you don't care but I do, my aunt's husband was killed there and he was not a Ustasha :rolleyes:

[Peterski]

Poland still exists only because of Anglo help. If it were left alone it would have been destroyed by Germans thousands of times.

You are an idiot. Poland would have been part of the Axis if not Anglo guarantees to Poland:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245917-Soviet-Invasion-of-Poland-1939&p=5163420&viewfull=1#post5163420

Slovakia for example was an Axis state. Ukrainian nationalists were also part of the Axis.

In "Mein Kampf" there is no mention of Poland when Hitler wrote about his deadly enemies.

He did, however, mention Britain and especially France:

https://i.imgur.com/EkIX1GL.png

https://i.imgur.com/gex6OCh.png

From: https://archive.org/stream/RobertsStephenTheHouseThatHitlerBuilt/Roberts%2C%20Stephen%20-%20The%20House%20that%20Hitler%20Built#page/n351/mode/2up

[MercifulServant]

Paleo Balkan/Thraco Illyrian

[Peterski]

I am fan of British culture. But not of their politics. British interests started WW1 which led to WW2 in the end and destruction of classical European culture.

Modris Eksteins claims exactly the opposite - that Britain represented classical European culture, and Germany represented its enemy:

http://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=the_rites_of_spring

"(...) For Eksteins, the First World War was a conflict between the old established world order based on Enlightenment ideals, and represented primarily by Great Britain and, to some extent, by France, and, on the other hand, Germany, the representative of the new ideas of the modern world struggling for liberation and emancipation from the old order. (...)"

But he does agree with you that modernism won (so Germany lost the war, but its modernist worldview won it) and classical culture lost.

[Jana]

Modris Eksteins claims exactly the opposite - that Britain represented classical European culture, and Germany represented its enemy:

http://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=the_rites_of_spring

"(...) For Eksteins, the First World War was a conflict between the old established world order based on Enlightenment ideals, and represented primarily by Great Britain and, to some extent, by France, and, on the other hand, Germany, the representative of the new ideas of the modern world struggling for liberation and emancipation from the old order. (...)"

But he does agree with you that modernism won (so Germany lost the war, but its modernist worldview won it) and classical culture lost.

That's interesting point of view, but British started losing economic race with Germany and that's the reason they supported destabilisation of Austria-Hungary in the Balkans, because the knew Germany will join the war.

If there was no war, Britain would lose it's leading power status and it would be overtaken by growing German Empire.

[Peterski]

That's interesting point of view, but British started losing economic race with Germany and that's the reason they supported destabilisation of Austria-Hungary in the Balkans, because the knew Germany will join the war.

If there was no war, Britain would lose it's leading power status and it would be overtaken by growing German Empire.

Anyway 19th century Germany did not represent Classical or Enlightenment values. Don't you have "History of Political and Legal Doctrines" classes in law schools in Croatia? Germany was already embracing radical ideologies in the 1800s. Communism was born in Germany, as was Nazism, as was Marxism, etc.

[Insuperable]

Creation of Yugoslavia for a start. Returning Croatian war prisoners to communists who slaughtered them after that.

Should Hungary hate Britain because of Trianon, should Austria today hate Britain because of Tyrol etc? During WW1 Serbs with Italy were deciding how to split Croatia so Croats willingly decided to enter Yugoslavia so they don't end up like Hungary or Austria. Even if you throw that reason out of the window number of Croats at the time were pan-Slavic and wanted Yugoslavia. British didn't create Yugoslavia for fuck sakes, Yugoslavia was a brainchild of South Slavic people. If you blame that on British than you should blame all allied WW1 powers.


Maybe you don't care but I do, my aunt's husband was killed there and he was not a Ustasha :rolleyes:

British authorities set up a meeting with spokesman of the Bleiburg group and partisan commissioner. They agreed that it would be the best that they surrender to Yugoslav authorities under the condition that they must not be harmed. Later, British and American authorities agreed that those who didn't want to surrender to Tito have to be relocated to a camp in Northern Italy, but due to complications they were unintentionally delivered to Tito's partisans who didn't care about any agreements. And who gives a fuck about your aunt's husband or anyone else? Should all Croats now hate British because of your or someone's else uncle? Croats did a lot of shit during WW2, do you want some people to still have grudge against Croats? Think critically, not hypocritically and move on. Yes, it was a sad day, but many nations in Europe can find three billion times more reasons to hate some other nation and you find such stupid reason.

[Peterski]

British started losing economic race

So are we talking about classical culture or about the industrial revolution?

[Ülev]

The Brits rule the world, sometimes with a little "help" (? or just helping) Russia (USSR), that was the reason the Third Reich failed

[Peterski]

The peak of the Western Civilization was about 1850, so before the rise of Germany:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8rsb7qILgE

[Ülev]

if there are any similarities, then between 'ze' Russians and Anglosphere, not with Germans

http://viralscape.com/celebrity-russian-lookalikes/

[Leto]

The peak of the Western Civilization was about 1850, so before the rise of Germany:

Germans invented and discovered a shit load of things, they are one of the greatest peoples in the world. The West is unthinkable without Germany. You can imagine the West without, say, Iceland or even Belgium, but without Germany... I don't think so.

[Peterski]

Germans invented and discovered a shit load of things, they are one of the greatest peoples in the world. The West is unthinkable without Germany. You can imagine the West without, say, Iceland or even Belgium, but without Germany... I don't think so.

4/5 of the world's most important inventions are British or from former British colonies:

https://i.imgur.com/TSKxY97.png

And among the remaining 1/5 the largest contribution is actually French not German.

[Joso]

Homo Sapiens Sapiens

[Ülev]

but nowadays Chinese Geely have built a factory in Belarus, where Belarusian workers works with German and Japan robots with German and Japan software, R1a not so strong :( why is that?

why Russian UAZ use korean gearboxes etc?

[Leto]

4/5 of the world's most important inventions are British or from former British colonies:

https://i.imgur.com/TSKxY97.png
Come on, you can't imagine modern science without the countless German scientists. Japan was a feudal society up until the 20th century.

[Leto]

but nowadays Chinese Geely have built a factory in Belarus, where Belarusian workers works with German and Japan robots with German and Japan software, R1a not so strong :( why is that?

why Russian UAZ use korean gearboxes etc?
Russia is almost nothing today in terms of technology.

Meanwhile R1a Indians are taking over the Sillicon valley :D

[Jana]

Not commenting any further, it's off topic anyaway :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Peterski]

Japan was a feudal society up until the 20th century.

Yeah before 1900 their contribution to science was 0, but since that time they contributed a lot, so they have 5% of all most important inventions in world's history now (the majority of humanity's inventions have been invented in the 1900s and 2000s, but the rate of innovation - number of inventions per 1 million inhabitants - is already declining in the West since ca. 1850; of course this does not include Japan).

[Ülev]

Russia is almost nothing today in terms of technology.

Meanwhile R1a Indians are taking over the Sillicon valley :D

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245076-Is-Windows-10-the-worst-OS-ever/page2


indian programmers are cheap losers they write cheap crap programs

[Peterski]

countless German scientists

Over 1/5 of scientists in Germany in 1870-1950 were ethnically Jewish (including Einstein):

https://i.imgur.com/CDKVE4R.png


Not commenting any further, it's off topic anyaway :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Germans exterminated Jews because they were envious of Jews who dominated their country. See for example the figure above, over 20% of significant figures in Germany were Jews, despite being just 1% of Germany's total population. This includes a Jew such as Albert Einstein, who emigrated to the US in the 1930s.

Germans did NOT pass the Israel test:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfN2IvnIA4M

[Peterski]

very much like the jews he [Peterski] likes so much

I like the Jews because I passed the Israel test, and you didn't.

When will you pay Poland for exterminating Our Beloved Jews?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2hCH5ANJBE&t=333s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2hCH5ANJBE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Ejj8uGJ3k

[Ülev]

Немецкие технологии / German technologies

a video from YT and epic comment from the WWII winners side:

Эту страну мы победили, и они все равно круче нас по технике и чистоте! / This country we won, and they are still better than us in technology and cleanliness!

so make conclusion yourself



https://youtu.be/jGrUQ_AE14Y

[Dick]

She is probably not, Serbs didn't mix with Germans much because of religious difference. There are exception, but if she gets Irish/Welsh it definitelly points towards the Celts.

Dragan Mance(half and half) and Nadja Higl(i think only her grandfather is Swabian, rest Serb) are mixed for example. There are more.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nadja+Higl+Swimming+Day+Six+13th+FINA+World+KCHE0M-bI-3l.jpg

[Moje ime]

Dragan Mance(half and half) and Nadja Higl(i think only her grandfather is Swabian, rest Serb) are mixed for example. There are more.



Those are examples from 20 century and from Vojvodina.

[Jana]

Dragan Mance(half and half) and Nadja Higl(i think only her grandfather is Swabian, rest Serb) are mixed for example. There are more.

My grand-grandfather was half German and and half Serb, but it was very rare mix.

[MercifulServant]

My grand-grandfather was half German and and half Serb, but it was very rare mix.

You have serb ancestry?

[Jana]

You have serb ancestry?

Yes, 1/16, they were R1a-M458. Serbo Makeridov is my cousin

[Moje ime]

Yes, 1/16, they were R1a-M458

Where he lived, if you want to say?

[Ülev]

Yes, 1/16, they were R1a-M458. Serbo Makeridov is my cousin


summon rethel.

[Jana]

Where he lived, if you want to say?

They were from Lika, but oldest son got a administration job in Zemun, and there were many Germans there, he married a girl from Alsace :)

[MercifulServant]

Yes, 1/16, they were R1a-M458. Serbo Makeridov is my cousin

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