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ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:03 AM

2013 research said about Altai people explains :

" Interestingly, in western Truvinian sample, the frequency of haplogroup R1a1a was considerably lower than in the central sample. Based on the closeness of the Altai, which is populated by the representatives of a more Caucasoid South Siberian racial type, it would be reasonable to expect the west–east decrease of the R1a1a frequency on the territory of Tuva. However, this was not observed, and the change of the haplogroup frequency was rather the opposite, as the eastern samples demonstrated maximum frequency of this haplogroup. At the first glance, the result obtained is paradoxical. Specifically, in terms of anthropology, the most Caucasoid population of the western parts of Tuva displays the minimum of haplogroup R1a1a, while in the most Mongoloid population of Todja, the maximum of this haplogroup is observed. "

* This explains why DNA shows highest frequencies of R1a in Turks are always in the Mongoloids Turkic and never in Caucasoid Turkic
* This explains why there so many ancient burials of Mongoloid males with R1a with Europoid females who later became Turkified Caucasoid like Turkish, Azeris
* This explains why Kyrgyz who have 63% R1a but yet not one is pure Caucasian despite sharing 27-42.6% Caucasian maternal ancestry, 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 Kyrgyz have caucasian female ancestry but yet not one is pure Caucasian genetically.

ALSO THIS NEED TO POSTED AGAIN. AS IT'S STRONG ARGUMENT AGAINST THESE DELUSIONAL TURKISH CLAIMS.

( Pazyryk, 1600 years before the Turkification of Turkey )

Pazyryk culture ( R1a, N1b )

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "

( Anayino, 1500 years before the Turkfiication of Turkey )

Anayino culture

Sculptural reconstruction of men Lugovskyi burial
Ananyino culture. Gypsum. MMGerasimov work.

" Reconstruction of the mounds number 5, 6 show burial Stone Barn in racial make women Ural type men - striking features of Central Asian Mongoloid."

MALE : R1a Central Asian Mongoloid
FEMALE: H1a mtDNA Caucasian female

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641901/tyurk1.jpg

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641909/f-u1.jpg

Keep this in mind all Turkic tribes with R1a comes FROM MONGOLOID MALES !!!!!! R1a in India, Middle east, Europe have nothing to do with Turkic people's Mongoloid's R1a and this is a 900 trillion percent proven fact. Although the Turks R1a marker came from their Scythian great grandfathers who mixed with Siberian Turkic women but later became Mongoloid for 2-3 generation, this shows Turkic invaders were not only haplogroup Q, N but also R1a.

SINCE TURKISH THINKS TURKS R1A WAS EUROPOID BUT DNA AND ANTHROPOGY SAYS OTHERWISE.
Therefore it's impossible that R1a in India, Europe, Middle east could have existed from Turkic origin because Turks got their R1a from Indo-Europeans before Turkic people even existed.

Once again I rebuked all these disgusting proto-Turkic R1a fantasies propagated by foolish Turkish proganada websites and videos.

TURKISH PROPGANADA

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/Klyosov/Klyosov2012R1aDNA_AryansEn.htm <------ TURK PROPAGANDA Website
http://i68.tinypic.com/200yc91.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7yqdvqBmY8

FACTS
* North Indians who have the highest R1a in the world at 45-82% shows 0% Mongoloid admixture.
* North Indians not only spread haplogroup H, L to Europeans, Arabians, Turks but even R1a-z93 which of Indian type is 30% in Gypsies
* You are foolish if you think the only haplogroup Indian males spread to the west was L and H when most North Indians are R1a

Dominicanese

06-12-2018, 01:04 AM

i have R1

i thought it was aryan

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:13 AM

i have R1

i thought it was aryan

R1a has many different types. There's native European R1a, native South Asian R1a, native central Asian Turkic R1a. The R1a marker had evolved. But apparently delusional Turks think they are the ancestors of many different races however only Turks have R1a with Mongoloid admixture but the rest do not have but that still doesn't stop them from making misleading videos like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjk9GoQ8EvI

You can see the humiliating comments, They believe so much that they lie to as many people as they can. The Turks believe that if you tell a lie often than it would become true.
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
Wrong, R1b brought non-IE AGGLUTINATIVE languages into Europe, Basque and Bashkirs are the last remnants. Celtic is agglutinative, too, a totally non-IE feature. R1a in India is Scytho-Turkic not IE. The same can be said about R1a M458 in Eastern Europe and Finno-Ugric Z280!

R1a in India predated any Aryan invasion. The highest of R1a concentration in the world can be found in North India reaching 82% and none of them have Mongoloid DNA unlike Turkish population who have 7-15% R1a but have significant Mongoloid admixture. The gypsies and Indian migrant who spread R1a in Southern Arabia and Europe would also all be heavily South Asian admixed. There's no such thing as Indians with R1a looking like east Europeans.

R1a in Southeast Asia is well correlated with South Asian mtDNA in this map. All western eurasian haplogroups in Southeast Asia were contributed by South Asian population. Also all Southeast Asian have evidence of South Asian admixture the same for people of Arabian penisula where there's historical evidence of South Asian settlers, soldiers, migrants to Southern Arabia.

http://i60.tinypic.com/r0o2v6.png

Now Turkish shows substantial Mongoloid east Asian admixture that's because the Central Asian Turks carrying every western or eastern haplogroups would have all been hybridsized and racially mixed to begin with. An autosomal map already proves of your admixture. So a Turkish person with R1a could have some ancestors who look like a Vietnamese guy or more accurately a Kyrgyz male.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37103&d=1378454779[/QUOTE]

Dominicanese

06-12-2018, 01:15 AM

....

do u think it is plausible that it came from a mix of the two, supposely mongoloids and caucasians came from same origins

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 01:18 AM

R1a is only a tiny amount of turks but sure these r1a must be real mongol gokturks

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:20 AM

do u think it is plausible that it came from a mix of the two, supposely mongoloids and caucasians came from same origins

No. If that was the case than North Indians who have the highest R1a in the world would have Mongoloid admixture only Turks including Caucasoid ones with R1a have significant Mongoloid admixture. Turkic R1a and Indian R1a have different origins even though they share R1a-93z the difference is Turkic ones with R1a were already Mongoloid by the time they even formed a Turkic identity.

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:27 AM

R1a is only a tiny amount of turks but sure these r1a must be real mongol gokturks

The R1a in Turks were Indo-European men but they later became Mongoloid after mixing with Siberian. Than later Mongoloid R1a did the same with Indo-European women by intermixing. R1a in Turks were already Mongoloid before Turkic identity were even formed.

1 generation 50% ( Father R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
2 generation 25% ( Grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
3 generation 12.5% ( Great grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
4 generations 6.2% ( Great Great grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
5 generation 3.15% ( Great Great Great grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )

They can have R1a but their Indo-European can become from 50% to as low as 3.15%.

A turk claim Gokturks were Ashina Turks who properly R1a but who cares as long as they look Mongoloid. Do you care all these African American leaders with R1b fighting for the Black race ?
http://i48.tinypic.com/2cz4nwz.jpg

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 01:31 AM

the R1a in Turks were Indo-European men but they later became Mongoloid after mixing with Siberian. Than later Mongoloid R1a did the same with Indo-European women. R1a in Turks were already Mongoloid before Turkic identity were even formed.

1 generation 50% ( Father R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
2 generation 25% ( Grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
3 generation 12.5% ( Great grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
4 generations 6.2% ( Great Great grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )
5 generation 3.15% ( Great Great Great grandfather R1a with Turkic Siberian women )

They can have R1a but their Indo-European can become from 50% to as low as 3.15%.

Your data suggest that gokturk ancestors are indians not europeans

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 01:33 AM

Altai were not caucasoids but east eurasians mixed with ancestral north eurasians.

Marmara

06-12-2018, 01:34 AM

R1a wasn't Turkic, it was white Aryan originally.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 01:35 AM

We can already see in natives that they were basically ane and east eurasian so therefore altai and siberians were this way. This is how R1a gokturks were. Not european

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:37 AM

Your data suggest that gokturk ancestors are indians not europeans

Ancestors are a complicated thing. Can you claim that the Southeast Asians and Arabians who gotten their R1a from Indians had European ancestors ? Despite the fact R1a Indian was already South Asianized.

Can you claim that the ancestors Cameroon people who have 20-40% R1b were west European or Neolithic middle eastern farmers even though their ancestors thousand years ago were the Chadic people who have 92% R1b

https://joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p10166.jpg

The Gokturks were predominant Mongoloid racially people, never mind what haplogroup they shared.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2r6nx2b.jpg

Gokturk from Altai
http://i48.tinypic.com/2cz4nwz.jpg

An Gokturk V-VIII AD, Kyrgyzstan
http://i48.tinypic.com/kbpuf5.jpg

Gokturk from Mongolia
http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1207/6a/7aff2dd0817b.jpg
http://s11.radikal.ru/i183/1207/1b/c13fc0deb0fb.jpg

Gokturk museam by Russian and Mongolian archeologist

http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/1207/b0/50f0c23b037c.jpg
http://i058.radikal.ru/1207/c8/a8e06b42701c.jpg

Marmara

06-12-2018, 01:38 AM

Your data suggest that gokturk ancestors are indians not europeans

Do you take it seriously?

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:38 AM

R1a wasn't Turkic, it was white Aryan originally.

How many Turkish people think like you. You're very good.

Marmara

06-12-2018, 01:40 AM

How many Turkish people think like you. You're very good.

People who're actually interested in genetics with english skills capabable of reading research papers.

İrle

06-12-2018, 01:43 AM

Just get a life ButlerGypsy. It's been literally years you keep posting the same stuff all over internet. Enough is enough.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 01:47 AM

This is real r1b depigmented r1ethalites

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180612/5c4395d171bdd559f028e1368de3cf56.jpg

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 01:47 AM

Just get a life ButlerGypsy. It's been literally years you keep posting the same stuff all over internet. Enough is enough.

No I haven't posted so many stuff about Turks in the past 3 months.
Many Turkish on the internet till this day ( not including ones like Mamara ) are filled with superiority complex, look down on others, make superficial claims, claim as many thing as Turks, claim this and that.

Marmara

06-12-2018, 01:59 AM

This is real r1b depigmented r1ethalites

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180612/5c4395d171bdd559f028e1368de3cf56.jpg

That's a Western Hunter Gatherer, not R1a or R1b.

Also, he probably wasn't this dark. His skin is black in this reconstruction.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 02:03 AM

That's a Western Hunter Gatherer, not R1a or R1b.

Also, he probably wasn't this dark. His skin is black in this reconstruction.Its based on actual dna snp for his skin color. They can simulate how his skin color would likely be

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-12-2018, 02:04 AM

That's a Western Hunter Gatherer, not R1a or R1b.

Also, he probably wasn't this dark. His skin is black in this reconstruction.Whats his Y dna than?

Marmara

06-12-2018, 02:13 AM

Whats his Y dna than?

Probably I

DarknessWin

06-12-2018, 02:29 AM

i have R1

i thought it was aryan

Its gypsy = aryan.
Found in India and Pakistan

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 04:29 AM

Its gypsy = aryan.
Found in India and Pakistan

Gypsies have 30% of R1a

Uniprix

06-12-2018, 05:30 AM

Gypsies have 30% of R1a

Are you telling me Turks are Alis, Ching Chongs, and Indo-Aryans (Hindus) combined in one?

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 10:29 PM

Are you telling me Turks are Alis, Ching Chongs, and Indo-Aryans (Hindus) combined in one?

Turks origins are complicated but I wish never Turks never existed, all they in history was invade and conquer.

ButlerKing

06-12-2018, 11:02 PM

What does Turks have to say now ? you keep making propaganda youtube videos of R1a being Turkic but how can that be if R1a in Turkic are Mongoloids ?????

sailormoon

06-13-2018, 09:04 PM

The overall frequency of haplogroup R1a1a in the Tuvinian gene pool is lower than 12% and there are other West Eurasian haplogroups such as I1, I2a1, J*, J2*, J2a1b1, and R1b* in the Tuvinian population. Comparing R1a1a frequencies alone cannot explain how the Tuvinians look like anthropologically and Haplogroup Q1a3 (M346) may play a bigger part, which was found at 25.6% in the East and 8.3% in the West (Kharkov et al. 2013). The more Caucasoid-looking population in the western parts of Tuva have less Asian admixture and haplogroup Q is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among native peoples of Central Asia and Northern Siberia.

Haplogroup Q1a3 was found in 14% of all Tuvinian
specimens. This haplogroup was detected with the
highest frequency in the eastern samples (25%), while
it was absent in the samples from the south of the
republic. Q1a3 demonstrated the east–west gradient
of decreasing frequencies. The highest for Tuvinians
frequency of haplogroup Q1a3, observed in mountain
taiga and southeastern regions, as well as in Todja,
probably results from geographic inaccessibility of
these regions and, as a consequence, from relative
genetic isolation of local populations. Under these
conditions, in the gene pool of the Tuva population, the
highest proportion of ancient component was preserved.
Alternatively, this situation can be associated with the fact
that the gene pool of Todja Tuvinians was formed with
more active participation of Kets, who are characterized
by the high frequency of haplogroup Q1a3.

The proportion of haplogroup R1a1a in the total
gene pool of Tuvinians is somewhat lower (12%). This
lineage is characterized by high frequencies in the
populations of South Siberia. Furthermore, R1a1a
dominates in Altaians, constituting 60% [10].
Interestingly, in western Truvinian sample,
the frequency of haplogroup R1a1a was considerably
lower than in the central sample. Based on the close
ness of the Altai, which is populated by the represen
tatives of a more Caucasoid SouthSiberian racial
type, it would be reasonable to expect the west–east
decrease of the R1a1a frequency on the territory of
Tuva. However, this was not observed, and the change
of the haplogroup frequency was rather the opposite,
as the eastern samples demonstrated maximum fre
quency of this haplogroup. At the first glance, the
result obtained is paradoxical. Specifically, in terms of
anthropology, the most Caucasoid population of the
western parts of Tuva displays the minimum of haplo
group R1a1a, while in the most Mongoloid population
of Todja, the maximum of this haplogroup is observed.

In Tuvinians, single samples of the other seven west
Eurasian (Caucasoid) haplogroups were observed (E,
I1, I2a1, J*, J2*, J2a1b1, and R1b*). Thus, in Tuvin
ians, the Caucasoid component is rather diverse, and
probably has east European, as well as Central Asian
origin. The five geographical groups of Tuivinians
demonstrated no statistically significant differences in
the summarized frequencies of west Eurasian haplo
groups, which can be associated with the antiquity of
the distribution of the Caucasoid population over the
territory of formation of the Tuvinian gene pool.

http://www.medgenetics.ru/UserFile/File/Doc/Evolution%20Doc/Kharkov-RJG-2013-49%2812%29-1236-1244-Y-Tuva.pdf

Kamal900

06-13-2018, 09:06 PM

R1a wasn't Turkic, it was white Aryan originally.

I would really call it "white" since such terms is based on political or cultural grounds. I would say that it's a Caucasoid genetic marker from central Asia since the clade that Turks that carry is Z-93 which is not the same as those found among Slavs and other Europeans. Hell, the Jewish Levites and the Shammari Arab bedouins, who are neither Aryans or Whites, carry over 40% of such markers which is indeed of central asian origins.

Marmara

06-13-2018, 09:10 PM

I would really call it "white" since such terms is based on political or cultural grounds. I would say that it's a Caucasoid genetic marker from central Asia since the clade that Turks that carry is Z-93 which is not the same as those found among Slavs and other Europeans. Hell, the Jewish Levites and the Shammari Arab bedouins, who are neither Aryans or Whites, carry over 40% of such markers which is indeed of central asian origins.

Do you mean you wouldn't call it white? Modern carriers of Z-93 are non-white however the originally carriers were white, extremely white actually.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?247974-Andronovo-GEDmatch-results

These people were the original Z93 carriers, they mixed with neolithic Asians and lost their whiteness.

Ülev

06-13-2018, 09:11 PM

......

Kamal900

06-13-2018, 09:12 PM

Do you mean you wouldn't call it white? Modern carriers of Z-93 are non-white however the originally carriers were white, extremely white actually.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?247974-Andronovo-GEDmatch-results

These people were the original Z93 carriers, they mixed with neolithic Asians and lost their whiteness.

In the past, yes. They were originally like that before they mixed with the locals of central and west asia which they later on migrated to India and becoming the modern day Indo-Aryan groups today.

Yaglakar

06-14-2018, 07:49 AM

It's funny how geneticists draw historical conclusions based on Wikipedia. I've seen many times how genetic papers jump to historical conclusions with very weak superficial understanding of processes. Perhaps, geneticists ought to do genetics and leave interpretation and historical conclusions to historians?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Tuwakarte2.png

Tuva is mostly mountainous, the lowlands or the steppe is to the west. It is rational that Indo-European pastoral activity in the area would have been limited to western parts which are less mountainous.

However ambiguity emerges, the Eastern Steppe did not experience a language shift which is linked to Indo-European activity elsewhere. The least sparsely populated area to which Indo-European came did not experience a language shift. How is that possible? Mystery...

ButlerKing

06-14-2018, 10:05 AM

ButlerKing

06-14-2018, 10:07 AM

Do you mean you wouldn't call it white? Modern carriers of Z-93 are non-white however the originally carriers were white, extremely white actually.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?247974-Andronovo-GEDmatch-results

These people were the original Z93 carriers, they mixed with neolithic Asians and lost their whiteness.

They properly didn't look White. Original Caucasoid humans had dark skinned and properly resemble middle easterners and north Indians more.

Nomad

06-14-2018, 10:21 AM

Dear Butler,we Turks have different components.

Caucasoid+Little Mongoloid: Azerbaijan,Turkey,South Turkmenistan

Mongoloid+Little Caucasoid:Afghan Turkic peoples,Kazakhs,Uzbeks,Northern Turkmens

Pontid+Alpinid or Turanid:Tatars,Bashkir,Chuvash,Kumyk-Balkar-Karachai

We are mixed and mixing since darkest ages.I am mixed of Turkmen,Turkish,Gypsy and Anatolian admixed.there is no pure people in the world including andamaners too.

Mr_anadolu

06-14-2018, 11:11 AM

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-14-2018, 11:56 PM

I rather be a Mongol than to be Mixed I rather be a Turkic than to be Mixed I rather be Anatolian than to be Mixed. For me being Mixed is a no no that means my ancestors got raped by either by the nomads or the other way around.

Not really you have ancestors were still raped likely you just dont know it because now they formed under a newer identity or was the same ethnicity.

ButlerKing

06-15-2018, 02:02 AM

I rather be a Mongol than to be Mixed I rather be a Turkic than to be Mixed I rather be Anatolian than to be Mixed. For me being Mixed is a no no that means my ancestors got raped by either by the nomads or the other way around.

And the irony is every Turkic ethnic group are mixed.....

Norka

06-15-2018, 02:07 AM

I rather be a Mongol than to be Mixed I rather be a Turkic than to be Mixed I rather be Anatolian than to be Mixed. For me being Mixed is a no no that means my ancestors got raped by either by the nomads or the other way around.

I have something to say that will break your little heart...you are mixed.

Norka

06-15-2018, 02:07 AM

And the irony is every Turkic ethnic group are mixed.....

So are you curry.

ButlerKing

06-15-2018, 02:10 AM

So are you curry.

So are you Tatar but the difference is South Asians = West Eurasian Caucasoid mixed with ASI/Veddoid proto-Caucasoid but for Turks is Mongoloid and Caucasoid

Norka

06-15-2018, 02:16 AM

So are you Tatar but the difference is South Asians = West Eurasian Caucasoid mixed with ASI/Veddoid proto-Caucasoid but for Turks is Mongoloid and Caucasoid

Please explain your obsession with Turkic peoples? I'm curious you have so many threads dedicated to fighting some unknown battle.

Hub Cap

06-15-2018, 02:28 AM

ButlerKing

06-15-2018, 04:36 AM

What a silly thread.

R1a in Turkics comes from Scythian men and others like them, who were Caucasoid, and also White, who bred with Mongoloid women in Cental Asia.

R1a, probably Iranic males in Mongolia 2000 years ago:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20091844

That is 100% true, the ancestors of the first Turkic people with R1a existed through Indo-European men interbreeding with Mongoloid women ( properly long before Scythians ) in Southern Siberia. I stated that many times before and that's how R1a Mongoloid Turks were created and I've always said that was the case.

HOWEVER Turks with R1a were already mongoloid throughout history and it's the same when they all interbreeded with the Caucasoid Iranic females. The time estimation suggests when the Turks receive R1a from Indo-European is very long time ago like 4000-6000 years ago properly while Turks as a ethnic identity existed only 2200 years ago.
Turks who spread R1a were already Mongoloid mens by the time they started invading central Asia's Indo-European population by either raping Caucasoid women, or peaceful intermarriage, aswell with Turkification and this explains why there are so many burials of Europoid females with these R1a Mongoloid males. It is absurd to think Turkic invaders were only strictly Mongoloid haplogroup Q, N when the Caucasoid-Mongoloid Turk R1a properly contributed most of it's DNA when they interbreed with Caucasoid women.

THE EVIDENCE IS HERE ---------> " West Eurasian mtDNA ranges from 27% to 42.6% in the Kyrgyz[38] with Haplogroup mtDNA H being the most predominant marker at 21.3% among the Kyrgyz.[38] " For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District[32] share Haplogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA) with Ishkashimis (68%),[30] Tajiks of Panjikent (64%),[33][34] Pashtuns (51%),[35] and Bartangis (40%).[30][36] Low diversity of Kyrgyz R1a1 indicates a founder effect within the historical period.[33] Other groups of Kyrgyz show considerably lower haplogroup R frequencies and almost lack haplogroup N.[37]

How can a ethnic population with 35-63% R1a with 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA but without having one individual being pure Caucasoid ? I really can't think of the reason other than Turkic R1a were already Mongoloid long before they even stepped foot on central Asia. Some Kyrgyz have low percent R1a but even the ones high Caucasoid haplogroup in both Y-DNA and mtDNA look super Mongoloid as heck.

https://nation.com.pk/print_images/medium/2015-01-21/over-1-000-protest-against-charlie-hebdo-in-kyrgyzstan-1421789795-3399.jpg

This also explains on the fact why Kyrgyz Mongoloid but have 27% to 42.6% Caucasian maternal ancestry ( 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 Kyrgyz out of 5.3 million people ) If Turkic R1a invaders were not predominant Mongoloid how come there isn't even 1% of Kyrgyz today are genetically pure Europid, not even one single Kyrgyz individual shows a pure DNA. All modern day Kyrgyz are predominate Mongoloid from 60-80% by genetics without even one sample being evem less 50% Mongoloid suggesting all the Caucasoid components have been in interbred.

ALSO:

Mixed Marriage...Interreligious, Interracial, Interethnic
By Dr. Robert H. Schram
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=mQDUAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE73xkWwIX-TzPQvmtgnphyAVosV4BJ32LFMSFS0iK9UfAZkTMeUCv4M4JXJN w3UQoxv890eWR35Ccn7r1SEG-pb5SYm5VWAXOH6XMx2iDXSn7qvSm2MnMtEHgeeYjUpQ8KGxazJ 6

" Among Kirgiz men living in Uzbekistan and married to non-Kirgiz women, 9.6% had married Russians, 25.6% Uzbeks, and 34.3% Tatars. "

They are R1a but their face are still like this when they marry the Russian women

https://pp.vk.me/-8LE0RWyB14W5FqwYnV1pjRjtkmDDuz3Sr_EXQ/bN3KoAhTPkc.jpg
https://pp.vk.me/Xioo_ZJyD8tPg51wQYNjQxEBBZQDIUffxHZLjA/K8VktVnb61M.jpg

This is the first genetic evidence that a male of distinctive Indo-European lineages (R1a1) was present in the Xiongnu of Mongolia. This might indicate an Indo-European migration into Northeast Asia 2,000 years ago.

NORTHEAST ASIA <------ It's not the same thing as Southern Siberia, Central Asia.

" In common usage, the term Northeast Asia typically refers to a region including China.[2][3] In this sense, the core countries constituting Northeast Asia are China, Japan, Mongolia, North Korea, and South Korea.[4] "

This is the map of Northeast Asia

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Map_of_East_Asia.png/275px-Map_of_East_Asia.png

As for the Xiongnu

The Xiongnu founders. Mongoloid R1a males existed thousand years before the existence of Arpad dynasty.

" According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the DNA found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia belonged to C3, D4 and including R1a. Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.[20] "

" According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the paternal Y-chromosome R1a, which is considered as an Indo-European marker, was found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia, As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people[13] and the present-day people of Central Asia[14] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.[15] "

Even the haplogroup Q that is in Mongoloid Turkics today, comes from Indo Europeans who were Caucasoid. Their semi-Mongoloid appearance comes from their maternal ancestry. But Caucasoid features are under-observed in Turkics by dickheads like ButlerKing.

Absolutely impossible. All the haplogroup Q is only high in Mongoloids.

" Q-M242 is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among Native Americans and several peoples of Central Asia and Northern Siberia. It is also the predominant Y-DNA of the Akha tribe in northern Thailand and the Dayak people of Indonesia. "

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

Further prove that hapologroup Q is mongoloid is that Kets have 90% haplogroup Q but with 52% Caucasoid maternal ancestry and yet they are still predominant Mongoloid genetically.

http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Anthropogenesis-VajdaKetDNA.jpg

Haha, wrong again.

The R1a Andronovo culture from which the Scythians and other nomadic Indo-Europeans and nomadic Indo-Iranians got their R1a from was light skinned, blond and light brown haired, blue eyed, etc.

Aryans existed long before haplogroup Adronovo and Scythians. Original Aryans had dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes. Also don't get over your head like all Indians with R1a would already looked typically South Asian since 8000 years ago. The Migrants, settlers, soldiers from North Indian men to Southern Arabia, Iran would have a contributed a small fraction of it's R1a while the rest of the R1a being indigenous to Iran, Arabians. The South Asian male haplogroup spreader were not only haplogroup H, L, J , most of them would have been R1a if they came from North India and this is why there is South Asian ancestry in southern Arabia, also don't confuse the dominant haplogroup of gypsies males who interbred with European women with north Indian men with European women.

R1a in Turkics = Caucasoid males with Mongoloid females. Original Turks were haplogroup N1, but after they ran in to nomadic R1a non-Turks, they became majority R1a, either because Scythians raped the everloving fuck out of them, or the Mongoloid women just preferred Scythian men.

Agreed but you're wrong aswell. There were no Turks when R1a existed in Turks they were properly just a isolated Siberian group, the Turkic identity only existed in 200-400 BC, even the first known mention of the term Turk was around only 500 AD. Mongoloid Turks properly already had R1a even before Scythians existed, it was properly contributed by ancient Indo-European males not Scythians. The point of this thread is Turks R1a couldn't have come from Caucasoid Turkic because ancient Turks were Mongoloid not Caucasoid so Turkish people cannot relate R1a with Caucasoid Turks because it is only the Turks who have R1a that have Mongoloid admixture where as Europeans and South Asians with R1a do not.

(50 years ) 1st Generation 50/50 Scythian father R1a / Mongoloid mother
(100 years ) 2nd Generation 25/75 Scythian grandfather R1a / Mongoloid mother <----- Ancient Turkic people DNA were properly born in this generation
(150 years ) 3rd Generation 12/88 Scythian great grandfather R1a/ Mongoloid mother
(200 years) 4th Generation 6/94 Scythian great great grandfather R1a / Mongoloid mother

In only 200 years they be from 50% Mongoloid to 94% Mongoloid and we are talking about freaking 2000-3000 years after Turkic ethnicity existed.

1 in 4 (27%) to 1 in 2 (42.6% ) Kyrgyz shows Caucasian maternal ancestry without even a single individual being pure Caucasoid is STRONG EVIDENCE that R1a in Turks were Mongoloid. Just like African American men have 20-40% R1b depending on the states they live but don't try to tell me they aren't Black when they start hitting on a white girl. Many of the strong African American black nationalist are R1b even many of them would be R1b but the father would always be treated like a Caucasoid.

R1a Turks such as Kyrgyz described as blond, blue eyed, long nosed, etc nearly 2000 years ago, so clearly the R1a men they mixed with could not have been majority dark.

Kyrgyz were never once described as being blonde, blue eyed. They were described as red hair, green eyes but this is disputed as red hair in this world are low, there's no ethnic group today with dominant red hair. Also Kyrgyz were conquered by the Mongolic Khitans and intermixed with them. Also ancient Chinese and ancient Indians tend to mistake a variety shades of brown as red hair while ginger hair was treated as orange. So it's possible red hair in Kyrgyz was most likely brown hair, because there's no modern day population with more than 16% red hair.

ALSO ON YENESY KIRGHIZ ANTHROPOLOGY SUGGEST PREDODMINANT MONGOLOID

Studies in Siberian Ethnogenesis, Issue 2
edited by Henry N. Michael

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=DDU5DwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE71bt8zUDG_G_-f72rRsxjc5_m_uSrz_sC1lxJwTYEUAoRp2YRc6bprf_hYMoCI9 hzdizZJfWnNFjt2IyAAPDXNkPm-94UE2F3qQ5fENh1wvgU0G_eEbGBQ9WIhWYHe_ByrTtDr1

" The dominant type of the Yenesy Kyrgyz was Mongoloid, but there is an indisputable admixture of Europoid elements in their composition. The specific position of this admixture is approximately the same as with the modern Kirgiz.[18] "

Here is the masks made by Yenesei Kyrgyz themselves. You can clearly see Mongoloid facial features and their draw hair type in a type of brunet/brown instead of red. Shades of Brown hair is very common even among the Uralic Mongoloids like the Kets, Selkups and some Nenets.

http://club.sina.com.cn.sinastorage.com/09/11/25/1250372304_470bd189425f3e64ad9394c067f29830.jpg

Hub Cap

06-15-2018, 02:45 PM

That is 100% true, the ancestors of the first Turkic people with R1a existed through Indo-European men interbreeding with Mongoloid women ( properly long before Scythians ) in Southern Siberia.

Not long before the Scythians, and perhaps not even long before the the first century AD.

HOWEVER Turks with R1a were already mongoloid throughout history and it's the same when they all interbreeded with the Caucasoid Iranic females. The time estimation suggests when the Turks receive R1a from Indo-European is very long time ago like 4000-6000 years ago properly while Turks as a ethnic identity existed only 2200 years ago.

They never interbred with Caucasoid Iranic females. There is no time estimation suggestion that Turks received R1a 4000-5000 years ago. As the study I posted said, the oldest evidence of a fully West Eurasian male in Mongolia is only 2000 years old.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20091844

This is the first genetic evidence that a male of distinctive Indo-European lineages (R1a1) was present in the Xiongnu of Mongolia. This might indicate an Indo-European migration into Northeast Asia 2,000 years ago.

Nobody has ever suggesting R1a in Turks comes from 4000-6000 year old interbreeding events in their ancient ancestors. Every study places it within the time period of 2000-1800 years ago.

Turks who spread R1a were already Mongoloid mens by the time they started invading central Asia's Indo-European population by either raping Caucasoid women, or peaceful intermarriage, aswell with Turkification and this explains why there are so many burials of Europoid females with these R1a Mongoloid males.

There are no burials of Europoid females with Mongoloid R1a males, you pulled that one out of you ass. The only thing you have posted so far is 60 year old stupid Soviet descriptions of Pazyryk burials with Mongoloid features. The Pazyryk people were Y-DNA haplogroup N, not R1.

It is absurd to think Turkic invaders were only strictly Mongoloid haplogroup Q, N when the Caucasoid-Mongoloid Turk R1a properly contributed most of it's DNA when they interbreed with Caucasoid women.

Q is not a Mongoloid haplogroup, and in central Asians it comes from Caucasoid males (probably usually Scythithians) breeding with East Asian females.

The oldest Q in central Asia is from Afontova Gora 3, they were over 80% West Eurasian autosomally 14,000 years ago and closer to Europeans than to East Asians.

Also, by the time there were substantial numbers of R1a Turks, there were few Caucasoid women left in the nomadic steppe lifestyle, most of them lived in Persia and were never raped or interbred with by Turks (Turks spent almost 1000 years being the vassals and slaves of Iranians).

THE EVIDENCE IS HERE ---------> " West Eurasian mtDNA ranges from 27% to 42.6% in the Kyrgyz[38] with Haplogroup mtDNA H being the most predominant marker at 21.3% among the Kyrgyz.[38] " For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District[32] share Haplogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA) with Ishkashimis (68%),[30] Tajiks of Panjikent (64%),[33][34] Pashtuns (51%),[35] and Bartangis (40%).[30][36] Low diversity of Kyrgyz R1a1 indicates a founder effect within the historical period.[33] Other groups of Kyrgyz show considerably lower haplogroup R frequencies and almost lack haplogroup N.[37]

How can a ethnic population with 35-63% R1a with 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA but without having one individual being pure Caucasoid ?

Many of those people are fully Caucasoid, and Kyrgyz are not fully Mongoloid despite what you keep saying the cherry picked photos you keep posting.

However, what you're forgetting is that MTDNA doesn't code for phenotype, and that Kyrgyz also have a lot of East Asian autosomal DNA.

One interbreeding even between Scythian Caucasoid males and East Asian Turkic females is not going to make their descendants look fully Caucasoid after 1800 years with still mostly East Eurasian autosomal DNA.

Just like most Mexicans don't look fully European even though the males typically 90% European Y-DNA, hundreds of years after the fact.

I really can't think of the reason other than Turkic R1a were already Mongoloid long before they even stepped foot on central Asia. Some Kyrgyz have low percent R1a but even the ones high Caucasoid haplogroup in both Y-DNA and mtDNA look super Mongoloid as heck.

No they don't.

This also explains on the fact why Kyrgyz Mongoloid but have 27% to 42.6% Caucasian maternal ancestry ( 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 Kyrgyz out of 5.3 million people ) If Turkic R1a invaders were not predominant Mongoloid how come there isn't even 1% of Kyrgyz today are genetically pure Europid, not even one single Kyrgyz individual shows a pure DNA. All modern day Kyrgyz are predominate Mongoloid from 60-80% by genetics without even one sample being evem less 50% Mongoloid suggesting all the Caucasoid components have been in interbred.

All it proves is that Mongoloid females were adopted in to the Caucasoid population but males much less so.

Among Kirgiz men living in Uzbekistan and married to non-Kirgiz women, 9.6% had married Russians, 25.6% Uzbeks, and 34.3% Tatars. "

They are R1a but their face are still like this when they marry the Russian women

Around 2000 years after they got their R1a, they looked like that, yes.

1500 years ago? Not so much.

NORTHEAST ASIA <------ It's not the same thing as Southern Siberia, Central Asia.

So you think it took them longer to get to Central Asia where they already were? :lol:

" According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the DNA found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia belonged to C3, D4 and including R1a. Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.[20] "

" According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the paternal Y-chromosome R1a, which is considered as an Indo-European marker, was found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia, As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people[13] and the present-day people of Central Asia[14] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.[15] "

Yes these are your old Wikipedia entries which were deleted a long time ago, but you keep spamming.

The Xiongnu were dolicocephalic because they were mixed with Caucasoid and they weren't fully or even mostly Mongoloid, either.

Absolutely impossible. All the haplogroup Q is only high in Mongoloids.

" Q-M242 is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among Native Americans and several peoples of Central Asia and Northern Siberia. It is also the predominant Y-DNA of the Akha tribe in northern Thailand and the Dayak people of Indonesia. "

Native Americans are not fully Mongoloid and neither are Siberians. Today Q is highest in people who are Mongoloid (because of their autosomal DNA they get from their maternal line) but that doesn't change the fact that the oldest population with Q in central Asia (14,000 years ago) was West Eurasian shifted and not East Asian Mongoloid.

The Q was brought to Turks by Indo-European Caucasoid males and Scythians. Xiongnu and Huns had the same clades as the Scythians and the Scythians were predominantly White, so it's a done deal. Q in Turkics comes from Caucasoid males, not from the Dayak of Indonesia.

Aryans existed long before haplogroup Adronovo and Scythians. Original Aryans had dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes. Also don't get over your head like all Indians with R1a would already looked typically South Asian since 8000 years ago. The Migrants, settlers, soldiers from North Indian men to Southern Arabia, Iran would have a contributed a small fraction of it's R1a while the rest of the R1a being indigenous to Iran, Arabians. The South Asian male haplogroup spreader were not only haplogroup H, L, J , most of them would have been R1a if they came from North India and this is why there is South Asian ancestry in southern Arabia, also don't confuse the dominant haplogroup of gypsies males who interbred with European women with north Indian men with European women.

Haha, no they didn't. Not only did the original Aryans not have dark skin, dark hair, their subhuman ancestors didn't, either.

Afontova Gora 3 blond hair 14,000 years ago:

Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora#Afontova_Gora_3

Blond hair steppe origins, ANE:

The derived allele of the KITLG SNP rs12821256 that is associated with – and likely causal for – blond hair in Europeans [4,5] is present in one hunter-gatherer from each of Samara, Motala and Ukraine (I0124, I0014 and I1763), as well as several later individuals with Steppe ancestry. Since the allele is found in populations with EHG but not WHG ancestry, it suggests that its origin is in the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) population. Consistent with this, we observe that earliest known individual with the derived allele is the [Siberian] ANE individual Afontova Gora 3 which is directly dated to 16130-15749 cal BCE (14710±60 BP, MAMS-27186: a previously unpublished date that we newly report here).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Agreed but you're wrong aswell. There were no Turks when R1a existed in Turks they were properly just a isolated Siberian group, the Turkic identity only existed in 200-400 BC, even the first known mention of the term Turk was around only 500 AD. Mongoloid Turks properly already had R1a even before Scythians existed, it was properly contributed by ancient Indo-European males not Scythians. The point of this thread is Turks R1a couldn't have come from Caucasoid Turkic because ancient Turks were Mongoloid not Caucasoid so Turkish people cannot relate R1a with Caucasoid Turks because it is only the Turks who have R1a that have Mongoloid admixture where as Europeans and South Asians with R1a do not.

Butlerking running around in circles, driven to hysteria over Scythian males. :lol:

Many ancient Turks were Caucasoid after nomadic Iranians gave them their Y-DNA Q and R1a.

Kyrgyz were never once described as being blonde, blue eyed. They were described as red hair, green eyes but this is disputed as red hair in this world are low, there's no ethnic group today with dominant red hair. Also Kyrgyz were conquered by the Mongolic Khitans and intermixed with them. Also ancient Chinese and ancient Indians tend to mistake a variety shades of brown as red hair while ginger hair was treated as orange. So it's possible red hair in Kyrgyz was most likely brown hair, because there's no modern day population with more than 16% red hair.

Wrong, they were described as blond haired, blue eyed, red faced, big nosed.

Red hair is low in the world today, but back in those times it was indeed more common in both Caucasoid and Mongoloid populations.

For instance, in the the Tarim Basin, over 50% had red hair, it's proven.

The light pigmentation alleles can change very quickly in 100 years time. For instance in the 1800s, America was near 90% blue eyed. By 1950 it was less than 50% blue eyed, and today it is only 16% blue eyed.

In the early 20th century it was very common to see black people with red hair such Malcom X. Today you rarely see them.

ALSO ON YENESY KIRGHIZ ANTHROPOLOGY SUGGEST PREDODMINANT MONGOLOID
" [B]The dominant type of the Yenesy Kyrgyz was Mongoloid, but there is an indisputable admixture of Europoid elements in their composition. The specific position of this admixture is approximately the same as with the modern Kirgiz.[18] "

Here is the masks made by Yenesei Kyrgyz themselves. You can clearly see Mongoloid facial features and their draw hair type in a type of brunet/brown instead of red. Shades of Brown hair is very common even among the Uralic Mongoloids like the Kets, Selkups and some Nenets.

The features of the mask are still predominantly Europoid and his hair is clearly blond not brown.

Other masks:

In 2009, a genetic study of ancient Siberian cultures, the Andronovo culture, tha Karasuk culture, the Tagar culture and the Tashtyk culture, was published in Human Genetics.[2] Six Tashtyk remains of 100–400 AD from Bogratsky region, Abakano-Pérévoz I, Khakassia were surveyed.[2] Extractions of mtDNA from four individuals was determined to belong to the Western Eurasian HV, H, N9a, and T1, while the other carried the East Asian haplogroup C.[2] Extractions of Y-DNA from the remains of one individual was determined to be of Y-chromosome haplogroup Western Eurasian R1a1, which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans.[2] All individuals surveyed were determined to be Caucasoid, and were except for one individual light-eyed and light-haired.[2]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Tashtyk_culture01.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Tashtyk_culture02.jpg

So it's a done deal, Yenisei Kyrgyz were predominantly Europoid and blond haired, blue eyed like Xiongnu and many modern Western Mongolians, who are 90% R1a.

ButlerKing

06-16-2018, 10:49 AM

Not long before the Scythians, and perhaps not even long before the the first century AD.

Trust me, you're not going to be able to win over my arguments. Okay I will explain to you with two replies.

Andronovo expansion to South Siberia ( where the Turkic originated from ) already existed since 1400 BC to 2300 BC which is 3800 to 4600 years ago and this is only the most proven earliest estimate, a far more earlier estimate is even possible.

Haplogroup R1a migrations ----->http://i65.tinypic.com/x6aoso.jpg <------- LOOK AND CHECK IT PROPERLY WITH YOUR EYES

It was way before a male 2000 years ago.

There is no time estimation suggestion that Turks received R1a 4000-5000 years ago. As the study I posted said, the oldest evidence of a fully West Eurasian male in Mongolia is only 2000 years old.

Funny are you seriously trying to claim a single male individual from a 2000 years old West Eurasian male are the ancestors of all modern Turkic people. That male was from Mongolia during the times of Xiongnu while Scythian-Siberian skulls are much older than that. For your info even the Scythians during the iron age were already partially Mongoloid mixed

" two Scytho-Siberian skeletons found in the Altai Republic, were phenotypically males "of mixed Euro-Mongoloid origin". One of the individuals was found to carry the F2a maternal lineage, and the other the D lineage, both of which are characteristic of "East Eurasian" populations.[129] "

" Ancient genome-wide analysis on samples from the southern Ural region, East Kazakhstan and Tuva, shows that Iron Age Scythians were a mix of Yamnaya people from the Russian Steppe and East Asian populations, similar to the Han and the Nganasan (Samoyedic people from northern Siberia). The East Asian admixture is pervasive across diverse present-day people from Siberia and Central Asia. "

They never interbred with Caucasoid Iranic females.

Of course they they INTERBRED WITH MILLIONS OF IRANIC CAUCASOID WOMEN as evident by the massive percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA in every Turkic and Mongol ethnic group and by the way the South Asian mtDNA in this Turkic has absolutely nothing to do with South Asians ( Indians, Sri Lankan female ect) in terms of physical appearance.

http://i50.tinypic.com/25hirzk.jpg

The South Asian mtDNA from central Asia was already a Caucasoid Iranic component long before Turkic and Mongol interbred with them like 6000 years later. They would have maybe look like the European looking people of Kashmir in Pakistan/North India such as the Hunza, Kalash they have 80% West Eurasian and 20% South Asian mtDNA ( aswell as 21.5% South Asian Y-DNA ) but look typically European/Or Iranic. Also ancient Central Asia already had a veddoid population so a ancient central Asian with south Asian mtDNA and Y-DNA could look like a blonde hair Swedish with very north european look. Even long before (properly fake ) Aryan invasion to South Asia there was already a veddoid invasion to Central Asia and Arabia.

So say Kyrgyz here in that study the Kyrgyz mtDNA is only 27% but add the 9% South Asian mtDNA than real Iranic Caucasoid mtDNA is 36%.
Iranic Caucasoid mtDNA in Kyrgyz ranges from 27-42.6%
Iranic Caucasoid-South Asian mtDNA in Kyrgyz is 5-9%
Combine both of them than Central Asia Iranic Caucasoid women mtDNA contribution to Kyrgyz is 32% to 51.6%

South Asian Y-DNA is lower in this study only 3.9% but that's only in that study. In the other study South Asian Y-DNA is 5%
R1a is also lower here being 37%. So it depends on the study South Asian Y-DNA in Kyrgyz is R2* in brown color which is not common but most common in Dravidian speakers and to a lesser extend north Indian

http://i65.tinypic.com/8yvrx5.gif

Also ancient southern Iranic people from central asia already had 10% South Asian mtDNA and Y-DNA but they were a Iranic Caucasoized by that time. So a Mongoloid who bangs a ancient Caucasoid Iranic female with south Asian mtDNA is still just a typically Iranic looking women. The reason for higher South Asian mtDNA but lower South Asian Y-DNA could be explain by the fact that before the Mongol-Turkic invasions happened in the 13th century they both had 10% same level of south Asian Y-DNA and mtDNA, but after the invasion by Mongol-Turkic most of the intermarriages were done by Mongoloid males with Mongoloid Y-DNA + predominate mongoloid males with Caucasoid haplogroup with Central Asian Iranic Caucasoid women having mostly Caucasoid mtDNA with maybe some mongoloid mtDNA with little South Asian mtDNA.

Mongoloid males = Pure Mongoloid/Or almost pure Mongoloid with Mongoloid Y-DNA or mtDNA.
Predominately Mongoloid males = Genetically 60-80% Mongoloid but carry either Caucasoid Y-DNA and mtDNA.

These two types invaded central Asian and intermixed with Caucasoid females of central asia, Europe Caucasus, middle east, west siberia

THE BIGGEST EVIDENCE IS HERE

Kyrgyz have 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA (realistically 32-51.6% if you add South Asian mtDNA)
Kyrgyz 70-80% Mongoloid in this study
http://i64.tinypic.com/11vp7k5.jpg

And here all Kyrgyz groups shows 60 to 70% Mongoloid DNA, with exception of Kyrgyz living in Tajikistan and southwestern Kyrgyzystan which used to be Tajiks lands and they interbred with the Tajiks there..

Only Iranic Tajiks and Iranic Tajiks in Uzbekistan are predominately Caucasoid ( purple circle),
all the other Turkic shows are almost all half to predominate Mongoloid ( colored in yellow )
IF THEY DIDN'T interbred with Caucasoid iranic women than why can't you find a native Kyrgyz with pure 100% Europoid DNA ( even more than 50% are non-existant from every study I've seen )

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TJCuJVizYSI/AAAAAAAAClY/KT6PkWSIZnM/s1600/centralasianmartinez.jpg

Nobody has ever suggesting R1a in Turks comes from 4000-6000 year old interbreeding events in their ancient ancestors. Every study places it within the time period of 2000-1800 years ago.

There are no burials of Europoid females with Mongoloid R1a males, you pulled that one out of you ass. The only thing you have posted so far is 60 year old stupid Soviet descriptions of Pazyryk burials with Mongoloid features. The Pazyryk people were Y-DNA haplogroup N, not R1.

You are talking about the migration to Northeast Asia/Mongolia not Siberia. The fact that there is so many burials of Mongoloid males R1a with Europoid women shows Turkic people with R1a were already Mongoloidized.

The Pazyryk people had haplogroup N and R1a. The first study was only based only 2 male samples who had haplogroup N, other studies had shown 9 males with 6 of them being R1a. The ruling elite were properly haplogroup N while commoners R1a

Evidence of Mongoloid males burried with Caucasoid females

Source --->
History Unearthed: A Survey of Eighteen Archaeological Sites Throughout the World[/U]

Leonard Woolley
E. Benn Limited, 1958 - 184 pages

https://books.google.co.uk/googlebooks/images/no_cover_thumb.gif

" Though almost 3000 miles separate the Scythian Empire from Pazyryk, both belonged to a world shared by peoples of different origins and languages (in one burial the man is of Mongoloid, the woman of Indo-European type) with a common burials of Europoid females and part Mongoloid males

Ars Orientalis: The Arts of Islam and the East, Volume 4

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=KlMhAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71c0KEtEmY8eJ0ZvzhqmuQyKzilMeTyx96dwVvm BTHSrKcpAfHTAoBCMOUmjA-q_NG2_u6FN5gbxkbUD84uSvpvqJhGtddMI4l3H2il2Th5ED03L eE

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "

MORE EVIDENCE ???? Even the anthropologic of Bulgar invaders from Volga region, Ukraine and Moldova the males were more Mongoloid than the in appearance although predominately Caucasian with substantial Mongoloid appearance but females were pure caucasian and that's between Bulgar invaders who mixed and assimilated with the local European population ( Original Bulgar were obviously Mongoloid mixed with Iranic people )

" The paleoanthropological material from all sites in Volga region, Ukraine and Moldova attributed to the Bulgars testify complex ethno-cultural processes.[210] The material shows the assimilation between the local population and the migrating newcomers.[202] In all sites can be traced the anthropological type found in the Zlivka necropolis near the village of Ilichevki, the district of Donetsk, of brachiocranic Caucasoid with small East Asian admixtures but with Bulgar males being more Mongoloid than females.[211][202][210] Despite the morphological proximity, there is a visible impact of the local population, in the Volga region of Finno-Ugric and ancient Turkic, in Ukraine of Sarmatian-Alans, and in Moldova of Slavic people.[210] The comparative analysis showed large morphological proximity between the medieval and modern population of the Volga region.[210] The examined graves in Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania showed different somatic types, including Caucasoid-Mediterranean and less often East Asian.[165]

Facial reconstruction of Bulgar male (not even a pure Bulgar )

http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0807/88/f750ddb7501a.jpg

Facial reconstruction of Bulgar female

http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0811/b8/48745460128a.jpg[/QUOTE]

" An examined population from an abandoned medieval cemetery showed mixed in anthropological terms with brachicranial Caucasoid type as the primary representatives followed by the Mongoloid admixed type. Women's were not significantly different from men but were more Caucasoid than men.Apparently, carriers of Mongoloid elements was a male part of the population that came to this territory as conquerors.[75] This finding is consistent with a model in which the Turkic languages were gradually imposed in Central Asia and East European Plain on Scythian and Uralic peoples with relatively little genetic admixture, another possible example of a language shift through elite dominance.[76][77] Ibn Fadlan, who visited Volga Bulgaria in the 10th century, describes the appearance of the Bulgars as "ailing" (pale) and "not ruddy" like the Rus' people.[78] "[/QUOTE] "

Q is not a Mongoloid haplogroup, and in central Asians it comes from Caucasoid males (probably usually Scythithians) breeding with East Asian females.

The oldest Q in central Asia is from Afontova Gora 3, they were over 80% West Eurasian autosomally 14,000 years ago and closer to Europeans than to East Asians.

You're such a amateur. This is the problem with amateur people, people like you end up looking at certain parts of DNA without local the overall and than what happens ????????? You end up being a fool who spread info in forums, amateur blogs.

Oh really..... You don't analyze properly do you ????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora <----- do some research

" According to some sources, AG-2 belongs to a now-rare Y-DNA haplogroup, Q1a1 (also known as Q-F746 and Q-NWT01).[12] "

Y-DNA haplogroup, Q1a1 time estimation 5,000 - 7,000 years ago <----- Lol 7000 years ago max
The remains are dated to around 17,000 BP[11] (16,930-16,490 BP[12]). <----- Only
Haplogroup Q-M242 ( the origin of all haplogroup ) 17,200 to 31,700 years ago [1][2][3] (approximately 24,500 years BP) ago

Q1a1 which would be roughly just in 2500 BC to 3500 BC. plenty of societies and civilization were already created in this time.

Also bear in mind Afotova Gora is Mongoloid

Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources, Issues 1-3
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=qEcsAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71cWxbId6_Moo1x_VWo1jT6ZMb44C7EcHV4bHbW 9yw8yv7Sl_p7fzhexsg0Zns4fr-BPOZFoCDUWqgbpXzF2n9GwPR26z5KW2NnCMxu_ucil_OJkqo

" have suggested that the Afontova Gora people, if not all Upper Paleolithic Siberians, were Mongoloids (Alexeev 1998) "
" by the finding of a child's skull with clearly defined Mongoloid characteristics in the Upper Paleolithic site of Afontova Gora II "
" Paleoanthropologists who have studied these remains consider them to bear "Mongoloid" characteristics"

Also, by the time there were substantial numbers of R1a Turks, there were few Caucasoid women left in the nomadic steppe lifestyle, most of them lived in Persia and were never raped or interbred with by Turks (Turks spent almost 1000 years being the vassals and slaves of Iranians).

Wishful thinking. How can you say there only a few Caucasoid women left when every Mongoloid Turkic have from 27 to 58% Caucasoid mtDNA. Even by the time Mongoloid Uyghurs conquered the Tocharian people, the Tocharians were still genetically 80-90% Caucasoid and this is proven by the fact that even today in modern day Uyghurs there are still surviving descendants of modern Southern Uyghurs with 80% Caucasoid genetics in southern Xinjiang. Tocharians lived in southern Xinjiang mostly with some in the north the Mongoloid Uyghurs migrated to Northern Xinjiang and and as result Uyghurs from the North are more Mongoloid.

Lol I don't know where you get your info but look at the history of Central Asia and Persia had been ruled by Turkic, Mongol a lot of times. We all know Persians/Iranians were a powerful people who created some powerful empire who conquered egypt, anatolia, parts of Arabia, Caucasus, Pakistan parts of northwest India for quite sometimes but Turks ruled Iran for possibly 1500 years. You say Turks spend 1000 years being vassals and slaves of Iranians ??? yeah right. Do you know how many Turkic empires through history have ruled over Persia ? Also how can you say 1000 years when Turks only started appearing in central Asia at around 6th cetntury and from that time Iranian/Persia was always under Turkic control, including under Mongol, Arabs. Also Indian empire also ruled Afghanistan and the very eastern part of Iran before and that was when Persians were a strong people but Turkic had always ruled Iranians almost never the other way around.

Many of those people are fully Caucasoid, and Kyrgyz are not fully Mongoloid despite what you keep saying the cherry picked photos you keep posting

However, what you're forgetting is that MTDNA doesn't code for phenotype, and that Kyrgyz also have a lot of East Asian autosomal DNA.

One interbreeding even between Scythian Caucasoid males and East Asian Turkic females is not going to make their descendants look fully Caucasoid after 1800 years with still mostly East Eurasian autosomal DNA.

PROVE TO ME I'M CHERRY PICKING ONLY MONGOLOID KIRGHIZ. Go ahead and prove me wrong with genetic data and physical anthropology of kirghiz ( Pure Caucasoid Kirghiz ? DNA study none, pictures none, evidence none. )

Kyrgyz have 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA ( realistically 32-50% if you include South Asian) , it's impossible that the female with Caucasoid mtDNA were not interbreed by Mongoloid males and Mongoloid-Europoid mix males otherwise where the heck are the surviving Caucasian female population of Kyrgyzstan today ?? At least 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 Kyrgyz female should look pure caucasoid ( realistically 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 if we include south Asian mtDNA )

It's only possible if the mtDNA is 100% Mongoloid OTHERWISE IS IMPOSSIBLE for you to say no Caucasoid females were interbred with Mongoloid males and Mongoloid-Europoid females.

Just like most Mexicans don't look fully European even though the males typically 90% European Y-DNA, hundreds of years after the fact.

Mexican Y-DNA and mtDNA is totally different scenario. No doubt at least 68.7% of the intermixing between European men and Amerindian Mexican natives. There's no way it was ever lower than that.

Say Northeast Mexicans for example

Amerindian Y-DNA in Northeast Mexico Y-DNA is only like 4.4%

http://i.imgur.com/72L4SRL.png

Caucasian mtDNA is 31.3% <----- even if less say 4.4% Amerindian males mixed with Caucasian females that still leaves out roughly 26.9% Caucasoid mtDNA however from what I've seen all Mexican mestizo are mixed.

http://i.imgur.com/72L4SRL.png

Scenario
68.7% European males mixed with Amerindian Mexican females
26.9% Meztizo Mexican males mixed European females
4.4% of Amerindian males mixed with European females

The rest of the Caucasoid mtDNA would have been absorbed by the Meztizo male population ( just like Meztizo women with Amerindian mtDNA with European male). This could be due to the fact that many European fathers wants their sons/daughters to marry European. This makes sense.

It is the white fathers that allowed their mix race sons to marry caucasian women, 95% of fathers around the world want the best for their sons. Even racist fathers barely discriminate their own flesh and blood son with a few exceptions unless he is one of those special type of bastards.

It's the same thing with (Chindians ) Indian/Chinese mix in Singapore and Malaysia. 90% of all the Indian/Chinese sons/daughter are always persuaded to marry with Indian family especially when their fathers side are Indians. In Singapore most marriages are between Indian men and Chinese women the while a minority of marriage are Chinese men and Indian women i's the same with Malaysia. Indian men always wins Chinese men in interracial marriage and reality is no Indian men wants to Chinese men to marry Indian women but than again no Indian man wants to see Indian women marry non-Indians but sadly some Indian women just don't care. It's a male pride thing you can't help however but when it comes to Chindian men nearly all the marriages of Chindian men are with Indian women despite most of them looking like Mongoloid males with dark skin but the same applies with Chindian women with Indian. Offpsring born from Indian father/Chinese mother (especially from the father side ) always persuade their sons/daughter to marry with Indians to have a higher social standing even when their son looks like a 100% slightly darker version of a Chinese guy, the fathers want their sons to carry their surname to next generation and would eventually be diluted be diluted of their chinese genes, if Chindian men marries Indian women their Y-DNA and mtDNA becomes South Asian but they are still 3/4 Indian and 1/4 Chinese genetically

For Indians the only exception of intermarriage with Indian women are African Black/Indian sons and this is properly a combination of caste system, colonial mentality, perceptions they have with Black Africans who generally have skin darker even than dalits and are associated with low social status, low civilization in eyes of Indians but still you will find plenty

So nothing surprising to find Mongoloid Turkic R1a males with large percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA in Kyrgyz
If it weren't because of Turkic invaders who either raped or intermarriege with Caucasoid women than it's because their Scythian fathers or Iranic Caucasoid father allowed their half Mongoloid sons to marry all Caucasoid women they want.

All it proves is that Mongoloid females were adopted in to the Caucasoid population but males much less so.

Not if they were Mongoloid males with a Caucasoid haplogroup. Unlike Mexican who have little Amerindian Y-DNA, the Turkic already have large percentages of Mongoloid Y-DNA adding to the fact ancient Turks already have many caucasoid Y-DNA haplogroups and adding to these facts all Turkic people have large percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA from 40-90%. depending on the Turkic ethnic group.

In Kyrgyz case Mongoloid males and mix Mongoloid-Caucasoid males interbred Iranic females and the same for vice versa with caucasoid male.

Yes these are your old Wikipedia entries which were deleted a long time ago, but you keep spamming.

The Xiongnu were dolicocephalic because they were mixed with Caucasoid and they weren't fully or even mostly Mongoloid, either.

So what if they weren't fully Mongoloid, they were still full Mongoloid. Many African Americans are dolicphealic does that change the fact the white men still call them N*iggers ???

They were predominately Mongoloid.

http://i50.tinypic.com/14buxit.jpg

" A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu mtDNA sequences can be classified as belonging to Asian haplogroups, and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups. This finding indicates that contact between European and Asian populations preceded the start of Xiongnu culture, and confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century BC Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002). "

"In the 1920s, Pyotr Kozlov's excavations of the royal tombs at the Noin-Ula burial site in northern Mongolia that date to around the first century CE provided a glimpse into the lost world of the Xiongnu. Other archaeological sites have been unearthed in Inner Mongolia and elsewhere; they represent the Neolithic and historical periods of the Xiongnu's history.[108] Those included the Ordos culture, many of them had been identified as the Xiongnu cultures. The region was occupied predominantly by peoples showing Mongoloid features, known from their skeletal remains and artifacts. Portraits found in the Noin-Ula excavations demonstrate other cultural evidences and influences, showing that Chinese and Xiongnu art have influenced each other mutually. Some of these embroidered portraits in the Noin-Ula kurgans also depict the Xiongnu with long braided hair with wide ribbons, which is seen to be identical with the Ashina clan hair-style.[109] Well-preserved bodies in Xiongnu and pre-Xiongnu tombs in the Mongolian Republic and southern Siberia show both Mongoloid and Caucasian features.[110] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.[111] Russian and Chinese anthropological and craniofacial studies show that the Xiongnu were physically very heterogenous, with six different population clusters showing different degrees of Mongoloid and Caucasoid physical traits. These clusters point to significant cross-regional migrations (both east to west and west to east) that likely started in the Neolithic period and continued to the medieval Mongolian period.[11]'

Yeah, a good example of a Dolichocephalic Mongoloid..... It stills Mongoloid regardless if he is mix or not

https://aloftyexistence.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/daniel-henney.jpg

Native Americans are not fully Mongoloid and neither are Siberians. Today Q is highest in people who are Mongoloid (because of their autosomal DNA they get from their maternal line) but that doesn't change the fact that the oldest population with Q in central Asia (14,000 years ago) was West Eurasian shifted and not East Asian Mongoloid.

Your logic does not make sense. Haplogroup Q existed 24,000 BP years ago (17,000 to to 31,700 years ago). Oldest male Central Asia may be Q but haplogroup originated from Siberia (most sources points to this ) and it's ancestors migrated to route from Southeast Asia.

The Q was brought to Turks by Indo-European Caucasoid males and Scythians. Xiongnu and Huns had the same clades as the Scythians and the Scythians were predominantly White, so it's a done deal. Q in Turkics comes from Caucasoid males, not from the Dayak of Indonesia.

Hahahaha.... how it is possible if the ancestors of haplogroup Q migrated from Southeast Asia to Siberia than to Central Asia.

Karafet et al. (2014), stated: "rapid diversification process of K-M526 likely occurred in Southeast Asia, with subsequent westward expansions of the ancestors of haplogroups R and Q."[6]

Absolutely impossible if it were Caucasoid than haplogroup Q should be significant in a Caucasoid population
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

Also apart from Kets and Selkuks having 90% haplogroup Q with more than 50% Caucasoid mtDNA are still Mongoloid both genetically/physically

The Turkmen of Iran are also a good example having nearly 43% haplogroup Q with 90% Caucasoid mtDNA (although 22% of it's also South Asian it was properly Persianized long before intermixing with Mongoloid Turkic males with Q) and many Turkmen yet still looks heavily Mongoloid.

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/WorldHaplogroupsMaps/TurkmenY_DNA_Iran.gif

Q is Mongoloid for sure

http://i46.tinypic.com/4t3pr8.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1436/1305972490_31c7abf361.jpg

Afontova Gora 3 blond hair 14,000 years ago:

Yeah....like the Black Australian aborigines and solomon islander had blonde hair 25,000 years ago and they are pure.

ALSO YOU ARE MISLEADING IT ONLY SAYS " Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.[15] "

Carrying this allehe does not make him blonde. One can say Afontova got his blonde hair from Caucasoid mtDNA R1b

Like the Mongoloid Uralic and Yenesian ethnicity like the Nenets, Mansi, Kets, Selkup, Khanty people who have 50-68.5% Caucasoid mtDNA

https://img.index.hu/cikkepek/kultur/galeria/me18.jpg
http://kazym.ethnic-tour.ru/kazym/images/d.jpg

Haplogroup Q dated approximately 24,500 years BP <------

READ PROPERLY

" Q-M242 is believed to have arisen around the Altai Mountains area (or South Central Siberia),[2] approximately 17,000[2] to 31,700 years ago.[3] However, the matter remains unclear due to limited sample sizes and changing definitions of Haplogroup Q: early definitions used a combination of the SNPs M242, P36.2, and MEH2 as defining mutations. "

Karafet et al. (2014), stated: "rapid diversification process of K-M526 likely occurred in Southeast Asia, with subsequent westward expansions of the ancestors of haplogroups R and Q."[6]

ButlerKing

06-16-2018, 11:06 AM

Butlerking running around in circles, driven to hysteria over Scythian males. :lol:

Many ancient Turks were Caucasoid after nomadic Iranians gave them their Y-DNA Q and R1a.

You are so confused lol.

Wrong, they were described as blond haired, blue eyed, red faced, big nosed.

Red hair is low in the world today, but back in those times it was indeed more common in both Caucasoid and Mongoloid populations.

For instance, in the the Tarim Basin, over 50% had red hair, it's proven.

The light pigmentation alleles can change very quickly in 100 years time. For instance in the 1800s, America was near 90% blue eyed. By 1950 it was less than 50% blue eyed, and today it is only 16% blue eyed.

In the early 20th century it was very common to see black people with red hair such Malcom X. Today you rarely see them.

Nice exaggeration there. In ancient Indian, Chinese, Iran traditions ginger type hair was associate with orange hair while red is type of brunette.

How can I be wrong when you don't even have a source to prove ancient Kirghiz were blonde hair, blue eyes ????
How can they blonde, blue eyed if they described them as red hair, green eyes ???? But than again the ancient Romans described the Germans as blonde hair blue eye when in reality most of them have brown hair. If it's blonde, blue eyes than the changes of them being Mongoloid is much more higher. The Nenets. Mansi, Khani people have Mongoloids with blonde hair. The ancient Chinese to Qing dynasty described many Siberian Mongoloid ethnicity with blonde hair, blue eyes and the same with Southeast Asian Hmong being described as blonde, blue eyes.

Light hair/Light eyes maybe alien to East Asian Mongoloid but definately not Alien to the Siberian Mongoloid, Hmong mongoloids who have a significant percent of people with light eyes, light hair

Stop comparing comparing east asians mongoloids with siberian mongoloids

https://pre00.deviantart.net/5e1f/th/pre/f/2016/187/c/c/the_blue_light_grey_and_green_eyes_map_of_world_by _schrodinger_excidium-da8zmr4.png

What a huge like tarim basin only had like 2% red hair. I can easily ancient Mongoloid had much lighter hair in the past than today.
Most likely ancient Kyrgyz were type of brunnete being treated as red hair because gingers in the past were associated with orange or the color of a carrot.

Red hair is never higher than 20% in the ethnic group with most red hair.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE-bMLYXgAE6sPY.jpg

The features of the mask are still predominantly Europoid and his hair is clearly blond not brown.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Tashtyk_culture01.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Tashtyk_culture02.jpg

So it's a done deal, Yenisei Kyrgyz were predominantly Europoid and blond haired, blue eyed like Xiongnu and many modern Western Mongolians, who are 90% R1a.

No it's not done. You basically overstretch Europoid traits to the way you want.

First mask looks predominately Mongoloid
Second mask looks at least more than half Mongoloid
third mask looks at least more than half Mongoloid

What makes you think they didn't look like these Yenesian Mongoloid-Europoids who are blonde, blue eyes ?????

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gdroq_aO8Zw/SqqoJy-5U5I/AAAAAAAACM4/Tlc9j1Br9oA/s400/45370.jpg
https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/24fe88db4ddb4abda082c524fc99dd63/nenets-reindeer-breeders-b9prhy.jpg

Heck even this half Irish-German half Chinese looks like the first mask but more Europoid than the mask.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/f2d0e617fff63d82d4ff1d7436d261e1/tumblr_o9qwdgbt4m1rw3bo0o1_250.png

Xiongnu and many modern Western Mongolians, who are 90% R1a.

Xiongnu was mostly haplogroup N,Q,C and only the Knoton population have 90% R1a but they are only 12,000 people and are properly just the descendants of few Turkic men who mixed with Mongols.
Look at DNA again
http://i50.tinypic.com/25hirzk.jpg

Hub Cap

06-17-2018, 09:01 PM

Andronovo expansion to South Siberia ( where the Turkic originated from ) already existed since 1400 BC to 2300 BC which is 3800 to 4600 years ago and this is only the most proven earliest estimate, a far more earlier estimate is even possible.

That maps shows nothing whatever to do with the mixing of R1a males with the ancestors of Turks.

Funny are you seriously trying to claim a single male individual from a 2000 years old West Eurasian male are the ancestors of all modern Turkic people.

No, the paper is claiming that this is the oldest example of a West Euraisan male in Mongolia mixed with Mongoloids, in the area where the ancestors of Turks came from.

That male was from Mongolia during the times of Xiongnu while Scythian-Siberian skulls are much older than that. For your info even the Scythians during the iron age were already partially Mongoloid mixed

" two Scytho-Siberian skeletons found in the Altai Republic, were phenotypically males "of mixed Euro-Mongoloid origin". One of the individuals was found to carry the F2a maternal lineage, and the other the D lineage, both of which are characteristic of "East Eurasian" populations.[129] "

This has nothing to do with Turks.

This is the paper you are misquoting but did not cite:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15022363

We extracted DNA from two skeletons belonging to the Sytho-Siberian population, which were excavated from the Sebÿstei site (dating back 2,500 years) in the Altai Republic (Central Asia). Ancient DNA was analyzed by autosomal short tandem repeats (STRs) and by the sequencing of the hypervariable region 1 (HV1) of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region. The results showed that these two skeletons were not close relatives. Moreover, their haplogroups were characteristic of Asian populations. Comparison with the haplogroup of 3,523 Asian and American individuals linked one skeleton with a putative ancestral paleo-Asiatic population and the other with Chinese populations. It appears that the genetic study of ancient populations of Central Asia brings important elements to the understanding of human population movements in Asia.

The haplogroup F2a is not even found in most Turks and this study did not sequence Y-DNA; there is no evidence either of the two supposed males in this study were R1a, much less that they had anything to do with the R1a, overwhelmingly Caucasoid Western Scythians who interbred with the ancestors of Turks.

Of course they they INTERBRED WITH MILLIONS OF IRANIC CAUCASOID WOMEN as evident by the massive percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA in every Turkic and Mongol ethnic group and by the way the South Asian mtDNA in this Turkic has absolutely nothing to do with South Asians ( Indians, Sri Lankan female ect) in terms of physical appearance.

"Caucasoid" MTDNA isn't "massive" in Turkics, only a minority of Turkics have much Caucasoid MTDNA. Caucasoid MTDNA in Turkics isn't even evidence of Turkic males interbreeding with Iranic females; it's a large number of female East Asians being adopted in to Caucasoid populations, or a large number of Caucasoid males with smaller numbers of Caucasoid females displacing East Asian males.

The South Asian mtDNA from central Asia was already a Caucasoid Iranic component[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B] long before Turkic and Mongol interbred with them like 6000 years later. They would have maybe look like the European looking people of Kashmir in Pakistan/North India such as the Hunza, Kalash they have 80% West Eurasian and 20% South Asian mtDNA ( aswell as 21.5% South Asian Y-DNA )

Nonsense.

but look typically European/Or Iranic. Also ancient Central Asia already had a veddoid population so a ancient central Asian with south Asian mtDNA and Y-DNA could look like a blonde hair Swedish with very north european look. Even long before (properly fake ) Aryan invasion to South Asia there was already a veddoid invasion to Central Asia and Arabia.

The Andronovo-Aryan invasion of India isn't fake. A veddoid invasion of central Asia is pure ButlerKing fantasy.

So say Kyrgyz here in that study the Kyrgyz mtDNA is only 27% but add the 9% South Asian

That's not White.

mtDNA than real Iranic Caucasoid mtDNA is 36%.[/B]
Iranic Caucasoid mtDNA in Kyrgyz ranges from 27-42.6%
Iranic Caucasoid-South Asian mtDNA in Kyrgyz is 5-9%
Combine both of them than Central Asia Iranic Caucasoid women mtDNA contribution to Kyrgyz is 32% to 51.6%

Not even close.

Also ancient southern Iranic people from central asia already had 10% South Asian mtDNA and Y-DNA but they were a Iranic Caucasoized by that time. So a Mongoloid who bangs a ancient Caucasoid Iranic female with south Asian mtDNA is still just a typically Iranic looking women. The reason for higher South Asian mtDNA but lower South Asian Y-DNA could be explain by the fact that before the Mongol-Turkic invasions happened in the 13th century they both had 10% same level of south Asian Y-DNA and mtDNA, but after the invasion by Mongol-Turkic most of the intermarriages were done by Mongoloid males with Mongoloid Y-DNA + predominate mongoloid males with Caucasoid haplogroup with Central Asian Iranic Caucasoid women having mostly Caucasoid mtDNA with maybe some mongoloid mtDNA with little South Asian mtDNA.

Until you remember that that's not what happened, because the Iranic nomads were thoroughly Mongoloid by the time of Mongols and the "Mongoloids" never had Mongoloid Y-DNA.

Mongoloid males = Pure Mongoloid/Or almost pure Mongoloid with Mongoloid Y-DNA or mtDNA.
Predominately Mongoloid males = Genetically 60-80% Mongoloid but carry either Caucasoid Y-DNA and mtDNA.

These two types invaded central Asian and intermixed with Caucasoid females of central asia,

Except this never happened.

Kyrgyz have 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA (realistically 32-51.6% if you add South Asian mtDNA)
Kyrgyz 70-80% Mongoloid in this study
http://i64.tinypic.com/11vp7k5.jpg

And here all Kyrgyz groups shows 60 to 70% Mongoloid DNA, with exception of Kyrgyz living in Tajikistan and southwestern Kyrgyzystan which used to be Tajiks lands and they interbred with the Tajiks there..

Only Iranic Tajiks and Iranic Tajiks in Uzbekistan are predominately Caucasoid ( purple circle),
all the other Turkic shows are almost all half to predominate Mongoloid ( colored in yellow )
IF THEY DIDN'T interbred with Caucasoid iranic women than why can't you find a native Kyrgyz with pure 100% Europoid DNA ( even more than 50% are non-existant from every study I've seen )

Does this moron even realize he is looking at an autosomal chart that has nothing to do with sex chromosomes?

You are talking about the migration to Northeast Asia/Mongolia not Siberia. The fact that there is so many burials of Mongoloid males R1a with Europoid women shows Turkic people with R1a were already Mongoloidized.

There are no such burials.

The Pazyryk people had haplogroup N and R1a. The first study was only based only 2 male samples who had haplogroup N, other studies had shown 9 males with 6 of them being R1a. The ruling elite were properly haplogroup N while commoners R1a

The ruling elite were not N and only a minority of the male remains are Mongoloid, as you have been shown many times.

Evidence of Mongoloid males burried with Caucasoid females

Ars Orientalis: The Arts of Islam and the Eas

Not a single shred of evidence of Mongoloid R1a males buried with Caucasoid females.

You're also selectively quoting excerpts from Google Books while ignoring the fact that many of the burials are not even Mongoloid.

Pazyryk male, Caucasoid:

https://museumstudiesabroad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_0613.jpg

Depiction of an elite male from Pazyryk. The man is fully Caucasoid.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FXE5D4/pazyryk-culture-scythian-iron-age-archaeological-culture-6th-3rd-centures-FXE5D4.jpg

MORE EVIDENCE ???? Even the anthropologic of Bulgar invaders from Volga region, Ukraine and Moldova the males were more Mongoloid than the in appearance although predominately Caucasian with substantial Mongoloid appearance but females were pure caucasian and that's between Bulgar invaders who mixed and assimilated with the local European population ( Original Bulgar were obviously Mongoloid mixed with Iranic people )

Not a single evidence of R1a Mongoloids was posted that day. Most of the old Soviet classifications of skulls were incorrect and made by incompetent "researchers".

[B]Facial reconstruction of Bulgar [U]male (not even a pure Bulgar )

http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/8/f7db7501a.jpg

Soviet non-science, made by incompetents. There is nothing Mongoloid about the skull.

An examined population from an abandoned medieval cemetery showed mixed in anthropological terms with brachicranial Caucasoid type as the primary representatives followed by the Mongoloid admixed type. Women's were not significantly different from men but were more Caucasoid than men.Apparently, carriers of Mongoloid elements was a male part of the population that came to this territory as conquerors.[75] This finding is consistent with a model in which the Turkic languages were gradually imposed in Central Asia and East European Plain on Scythian and Uralic peoples with relatively little genetic admixture, another possible example of a language shift through elite dominance.[76][77] Ibn Fadlan, who visited Volga Bulgaria in the 10th century, describes the appearance of the Bulgars as "ailing" (pale) and "not ruddy" like the Rus' people.[78]

More Soviet garbage, this has been refuted by modern genetics. As the quote says this idea was made to fit a model, one which has now been overturned.

You're such a amateur. This is the problem with amateur people, people like you end up looking at certain parts of DNA without local the overall and than what happens ????????? You end up being a fool who spread info in forums, amateur blogs.

That's funny coming from the guy who has routinely conflated autosomal admixture with sex chromosomal admixture for the past 10 years. There is nothing amateur about this.

Oh really..... You don't analyze properly do you ????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora <----- do some research

" According to some sources, AG-2 belongs to a now-rare Y-DNA haplogroup, Q1a1 (also known as Q-F746 and Q-NWT01).[12] "

Y-DNA haplogroup, Q1a1 time estimation 5,000 - 7,000 years ago <----- Lol 7000 years ago max
The remains are dated to around 17,000 BP[11] (16,930-16,490 BP[12]). <----- Only
Haplogroup Q-M242 ( the origin of all haplogroup ) 17,200 to 31,700 years ago [1][2][3] (approximately 24,500 years BP) ago

Q1a1 which would be roughly just in 2500 BC to 3500 BC. plenty of societies and civilization were already created in this time.

This has nothing to do with ANE and blond hair.

Also bear in mind Afotova Gora is Mongoloid

No, Afontova Gora is not Mongoloid. The DNA has confirmed they were West Eurasian shifted and not East Asian.

" have suggested that the Afontova Gora people, if not all Upper Paleolithic Siberians, were Mongoloids (Alexeev 1998) "
" by the finding of a child's skull with clearly defined Mongoloid characteristics in the Upper Paleolithic site of Afontova Gora II "
" Paleoanthropologists who have studied these remains consider them to bear "Mongoloid" characteristics"

More Soviet-educated retards. There are no Mongoloid characteristics at Afontova Gora and they also lack defining dental characteristics of East Asians.

Wishful thinking. How can you say there only a few Caucasoid women left when every Mongoloid Turkic have from 27 to 58% Caucasoid mtDNA.

They have 27% Caucasoid DNA which makes it a minority.

Even by the time Mongoloid Uyghurs conquered the Tocharian people, the Tocharians were still genetically 80-90% Caucasoid

No they weren't. They were 20-30% Mongoloid over 1500 years before Christ existed. By the time of the Uighur invasions they would already have been over 50% Mongoloid. Late Tocharian self-depictions look like Eurasian Mongoloids.

and this is proven by the fact that even today in modern day Uyghurs there are still surviving descendants of modern Southern Uyghurs with 80% Caucasoid genetics in southern Xinjiang. Tocharians lived in southern Xinjiang mostly with some in the north the Mongoloid Uyghurs migrated to Northern Xinjiang and and as result Uyghurs from the North are more Mongoloid.

Ahahahhaha, no they aren't you dipshit. They don't have anywhere near 80% Caucasoid, and the only studies giving them high percentage of Caucasoid admixture compared them to Mongoloid-admixed populations.

"[...] These markers estimated the admixture rate of the Uyghur population to be around 50% East Asian ancestry by comparing Uyghurs to East Asians and Europeans. However, we suspect that the estimate of Xu and Jin may be considerably biased by insufficient reference population coverage. [...] However, the population coverage in their analysis was relatively sparse. They only analyzed Japanese, northern Chinese, and a very small sample (n = 10) of Mongols for the East Asian reference. For Europeans, they included some southern European populations, Russians, and Adygei. It is doubtful that this sparse population coverage can yield precise results. [...] Other anthropological studies also estimated Uyghurs to have ~30% western proportions, closer to our estimate. [...] In conclusion, we argue that the Uyghurs' genetic structure is more similar to East Asians than to Europeans[...] When we have collected more data on these 34 populations, we should be able to refine these estimates."

Uighurs are, at the very, very most, 30% European.

Lol I don't know where you get your info but look at the history of Central Asia and Persia had been ruled by Turkic, Mongol a lot of times. We all know Persians/Iranians were a powerful people who created some powerful empire who conquered egypt, anatolia, parts of Arabia, Caucasus, Pakistan parts of northwest India for quite sometimes but Turks ruled Iran for possibly 1500 years. You say Turks spend 1000 years being vassals and slaves of Iranians ??? yeah right.

Turks are one of the most defeated people in world history, Iranians ruled them for hundreds of years.

Do you know how many Turkic empires through history have ruled over Persia ? Also how can you say 1000 years when Turks only started appearing in central Asia at around 6th cetntury and from that time Iranian/Persia was always under Turkic control, including under Mongol, Arabs. Also Indian empire also ruled Afghanistan and the very eastern part of Iran before and that was when Persians were a strong people but Turkic had always ruled Iranians almost never the other way around.

Here's what was happening with Turks in 6th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Perso-Turkic_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Perso-Turkic_War

PROVE TO ME I'M CHERRY PICKING ONLY MONGOLOID KIRGHIZ. Go ahead and prove me wrong with genetic data and physical anthropology of kirghiz ( Pure Caucasoid Kirghiz ? DNA study none, pictures none, evidence none. )

Nobody ever said there were pure Kyrgyz Caucasoids, that was your own fucktarded assumption.

Kyrgyz have 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA ( realistically 32-50% if you include South Asian) , it's impossible that the female with Caucasoid mtDNA were not interbreed by Mongoloid males and Mongoloid-Europoid mix males otherwise where the heck are the surviving Caucasian female population of Kyrgyzstan today ?? At least 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 Kyrgyz female should look pure caucasoid ( realistically 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 if we include south Asian mtDNA )

More copy and pasting. And no, MTDNA doesn't code for phenotype.

It's only possible if the mtDNA is 100% Mongoloid OTHERWISE IS IMPOSSIBLE for you to say no Caucasoid females were interbred with Mongoloid males and Mongoloid-Europoid females.

You said Turkic Mongoloid males with Caucasoid Iranic females. Big difference.

Mexican Y-DNA and mtDNA is totally different scenario. No doubt at least 68.7% of the intermixing between European men and Amerindian Mexican natives. There's no way it was ever lower than that.

Say Northeast Mexicans for example

Amerindian Y-DNA in Northeast Mexico Y-DNA is only like 4.4%

Caucasian mtDNA is 31.3% <----- even if less say 4.4% Amerindian males mixed with Caucasian females that still leaves out roughly 26.9% Caucasoid mtDNA however from what I've seen all Mexican mestizo are mixed.

Scenario
68.7% European males mixed with Amerindian Mexican females
26.9% Meztizo Mexican males mixed European females
4.4% of Amerindian males mixed with European females

The rest of the Caucasoid mtDNA would have been absorbed by the Meztizo male population ( just like Meztizo women with Amerindian mtDNA with European male). This could be due to the fact that many European fathers wants their sons/daughters to marry European. This makes sense.

It is the white fathers that allowed their mix race sons to marry caucasian women, 95% of fathers around the world want the best for their sons. Even racist fathers barely discriminate their own flesh and blood son with a few exceptions unless he is one of those special type of bastards.[/quote]

Make believe.

So nothing surprising to find Mongoloid Turkic R1a males with large percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA in Kyrgyz

Except you never found that, the Caucasoid MTDNA in Kyrgyz is low.

If it weren't because of Turkic invaders who either raped or intermarriege with Caucasoid women than it's because their Scythian fathers or Iranic Caucasoid father allowed their half Mongoloid sons to marry all Caucasoid women they want.

It was neither.

Not if they were Mongoloid males with a Caucasoid haplogroup. Unlike Mexican who have little Amerindian Y-DNA, the Turkic already have large percentages of Mongoloid Y-DNA

They have no more Mongoloid Y-DNA than the average Mexican has Amerindian Y-DNA. Your Northern Mexicans have the highest European Y-DNA, btw.

adding to the fact ancient Turks already have many caucasoid Y-DNA haplogroups and adding to these facts all Turkic people have large percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA from 40-90%. depending on the Turkic ethnic group.

Hahahahahaha.

You've gotta stop speaking out of your ass, man.

It's only a small number of Turkics who have more than 40% "Caucasoid" MTDNA. The majority have majority Caucasoid Y-DNA and majority Mongoloid MTDNA.
The ones with much Caucasoid MTDNA are small minorities or minorities in their own countries (Kazakhs).

In Kyrgyz case Mongoloid males and mix Mongoloid-Caucasoid males interbred Iranic females and the same for vice versa with caucasoid male.[/quote[

No, it's Caucasoid males with Mongoloid-Caucasoid females. Kyrgyz never mixed with Caucasoid Iranic females.

[quote]So what if they weren't fully Mongoloid, they were still full Mongoloid. Many African Americans are dolicphealic does that change the fact the white men still call them N*iggers ???

They weren't and aren't fully Mongoloid.

They were predominately Mongoloid.

" A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu mtDNA sequences can be classified as belonging to Asian haplogroups, and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups. This finding indicates that contact between European and Asian populations preceded the start of Xiongnu culture, and confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century BC Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002). "

More of your old Wikipedia edits.

"In the 1920s, Pyotr Kozlov's excavations of the royal tombs at the Noin-Ula burial site in northern Mongolia that date to around the first century CE provided a glimpse into the lost world of the Xiongnu. Other archaeological sites have been unearthed in Inner Mongolia and elsewhere; they represent the Neolithic and historical periods of the Xiongnu's history.[108] Those included the Ordos culture,

More Soviet ignorance.

Yeah, a good example of a Dolichocephalic Mongoloid..... It stills Mongoloid regardless if he is mix or not

He is not Mongoloid.

Your logic does not make sense. Haplogroup Q existed 24,000 BP years ago (17,000 to to 31,700 years ago). Oldest male Central Asia may be Q but haplogroup originated from Siberia (most sources points to this ) and it's ancestors migrated to route from Southeast Asia.

The Southeast Asian migration route is a theoretical model that is not supported by any archaeological evidence, and even if it were:

That does not mean that it is Mongoloid (oldest inhabitants of Southeast Asia are not Mongoloid

and

It doesn't change the fact that the 14,000 year old Q population from Afontova Gora was genetically shifted towards Europeans and not East Asians (Fu).

Karafet et al. (2014), stated: "rapid diversification process of K-M526 likely occurred in Southeast Asia, with subsequent westward expansions of the ancestors of haplogroups R and Q."[6]

This has nothing to do with Mongoloids.

Absolutely impossible if it were Caucasoid than haplogroup Q should be significant in a Caucasoid population
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG[/img

It was. It was significant in Afontova Gora, Scythians, etc. It is significant in modern Jews who are Caucasoid. The reason Haplogroup Q is predominant in Mongoloid populations today is because it is the result of Caucasoid males migrating East and mixing with Mongoloid females, and so it is now in populations that are predominantly Mongoloid, autosomally.

Even Native Americans can have some Caucasoid features and pass for white.

Nobody can say this Cheyenne man, haplogroup Q looks Mongoloid. He didn't get this look from his East Eurasian autosomal, he got it from his West Eurasian autosomal.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/26/c0/c426c09f84f7b5199205652dcd746147.jpg

Also apart from Kets and Selkuks having 90% haplogroup Q with more than 50% Caucasoid mtDNA are still Mongoloid both genetically/physically

They get their Q from Caucasoid males, still often look Caucasoid physically:

https://secrethistory.su/uploads/posts/2014-01/1389037588_ket.jpg

The Turkmen of Iran are also a good example having nearly 43% haplogroup Q with 90% Caucasoid mtDNA (although 22% of it's also South Asian it was properly Persianized long before intermixing with Mongoloid Turkic males with Q) and many Turkmen yet still looks heavily Mongoloid.

Turkmen are not heavily Mongoloid.

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Q is Mongoloid for sure

Q is Caucasoid.

Yeah....like the Black Australian aborigines and solomon islander had blonde hair 25,000 years ago and they are pure.

They didn't have blond hair 25,000 years ago.

ALSO YOU ARE MISLEADING IT ONLY SAYS " Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.[15] "

Carrying this allehe does not make him blonde. One can say Afontova got his blonde hair from Caucasoid mtDNA R1b

MTDNA r1b:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(mtDNA)

What an idiot.

Like the Mongoloid Uralic and Yenesian ethnicity like the Nenets, Mansi, Kets, Selkup, Khanty people who have 50-68.5% Caucasoid mtDNA

https://img.index.hu/cikkepek/ku.jpg

[B]Haplogroup Q dated approximately 24,500 years BP <-----

" Q-M242 is believed to have arisen around the Altai Mountains area (or South Central Siberia),[2] approximately 17,000[2] to 31,700 years ago.[3] However, the matter remains unclear due to limited sample sizes and changing definitions of Haplogroup Q: early definitions used a combination of the SNPs M242, P36.2, and MEH2 as defining mutations. "

Karafet et al. (2014), stated: "rapid diversification process of K-M526 likely occurred in Southeast Asia, with subsequent westward expansions of the ancestors of haplogroups R and Q."[6]

Not a single evidence of anything to do with Mongoloids was seen that day.

Hub Cap

06-17-2018, 09:18 PM

You are so confused lol.

Nice exaggeration there. In ancient Indian, Chinese, Iran traditions ginger type hair was associate with orange hair while red is type of brunette.

Absolutely wrong and the hair samples from the Tashtyk samples prove it so. Yenisei Kyrgyz were golden haired, ashen blond. Case closed.

How can I be wrong when you don't even have a source to prove ancient Kirghiz were blonde hair, blue eyes ????

Multiple sources attest to this which you have already seen and you already posted a photo of blond hair in a Yenisei Kyrgyz.

How can they blonde, blue eyed if they described them as red hair, green eyes ????

They didn't, they were described as blond haired, blue eyed, tall. The only reference to redness in Kyrgyz was in the redness (ruddiness) of their skin.

But than again the ancient Romans described the Germans as blonde hair blue eye when in reality most of them have brown hair

Most Germans have brown hair today. Most Germans in those times were blond.

If it's blonde, blue eyes than the changes of them being Mongoloid is much more higher. The Nenets. Mansi, Khani people have Mongoloids with blonde hair.

No, the chances that they are predominantly Caucasoid and Caucasoid-admixed people is much higher. Nenets, Mansi, Khani are all minorities far away.

The ancient Chinese to Qing dynasty described many Siberian Mongoloid ethnicity with blonde hair, blue eyes and the same with Southeast Asian Hmong being described as blonde, blue eyes.

No they didn't.

Light hair/Light eyes maybe alien to East Asian Mongoloid but definately not Alien to the Siberian Mongoloid, Hmong mongoloids who have a significant percent of people with light eyes, light hair

Because they are mixed with Caucasoids.

Stop comparing comparing east asians mongoloids with siberian mongoloids

https://pre00.deviantart.net/5e1f/th/pre/f/20yes_map_of_world_by_schrodinger_excidium-da8zmr4.png

The only one doing that here is you.

What a huge like tarim basin only had like 2% red hair.

The Tarim Basin complex remains had over 50% red hair.

Red hair is never higher than 20% in the ethnic group with most red hair

Red hair is never more than 20% in modern populations. In the patriarchal past however, it was much, much higher.

First mask looks predominately Mongoloid
Second mask looks at least more than half Mongoloid
third mask looks at least more than half Mongoloid

Hahahhahahah, the level of delusion is astounding here; how can you not be ashamed of yourself? The masks are predominantly Caucasoid. Also most of the Mongoloid-looking masks of the Yenisei appear to be children, the same is true for the allegedly "Mongoloid" burials at Pazyryk.

Note that ButlerKing likes to post pictures of CHILDREN who he thinks look Mongoloid... Ignoring the fact that people look more Mongoloid when they are children.

What makes you think they didn't look like these Yenesian Mongoloid-Europoids who are blonde, blue eyes ????

>Posts black and white photos
>Claims they are blue eyed and blond

In reality they aren't blond because they aren't as Caucasoid as the Yenisei Kyrgyz of the ancient world. The Yenisei Kyrgyz WERE blond and blue eyed, because they were earlier in time and had been bred specifically to look more Caucasoid, with Caucasoid admixture in larger MB chunks than modern Yeniseians.

even this half Irish-German half Chinese looks like the first mask but more Europoid than the mask.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/f2d0e617fff63d82d4ff1d7436d261e1/tumblr_om1rw3bo0o1_250.png

Retarded, shameless.

Xiongnu was mostly haplogroup N,Q,C and only the Knoton population have 90% R1a but they are only 12,000 people and are properly just the descendants of few Turkic men

Xiongnu as a group were not predom N or C. The Q they had came from Caucasoid Q1 Scythian and Indo European males.

İrle

06-17-2018, 09:31 PM

^Q is Caucasoid Scythian my ass. Half the Haplogroups exist in Eurasia are already claimed by the forum keyboard warriors as "Indo-Yurop-Scythian-Caucasoid-white" HGs. Now it is the turn of Q? lel.

Hub Cap

06-17-2018, 09:36 PM

İrle

06-17-2018, 09:46 PM

The Haplogroup Q1a in modern central Asians is found in multiple Caucasoid Scythian samples and even the Afontova Gora remains were predominantly European, not East Asian shifted.

Q1a in central Asians comes from Caucasoid Scythians. You can deal with that fact or you can jump off a cliff, the choice is yours.

What the fuck is "predominantly European"? Almost all the Scythians have East Eurasian admix. And their Y-DNA got nothing to do with that.

There are no facts here, only your authistic screeching. Q's origin is clear.

Hub Cap

06-17-2018, 10:20 PM

All Europeans also have "East Eurasian admix":

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qCEiV81NI0c/UDJP0Y-C_LI/AAAAAAAAFjs/WJLXbhylaCM/s1600/f4_Sardinian_X_Han_San.png

What you fail to realize is that "East Eurasian admix" isn't the same thing as looking or being remotely East Asian or Mongoloid. Q's origin in central Asia is clear: genetically West Eurasian non-Mongoloid Indo-Europeans.

Now might be the time to seriously consider whether or not you are going to jump off of that cliff.

İrle

06-17-2018, 10:28 PM

You no brainer dimwit, Scythian-Sakas are around 30-50% East Eurasian genetically and they are pred R1a. Q is not represented and have a clear Siberian origin. Scythian is an umberalla term and has no ethnic value, excluding the the ones in Ukranian steppes.
Show me a single source that claims Q is West Eurasian HG and brought by "Scythians" among Turkic peoples.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 02:27 AM

^ Somebody's severely ignorant.

Afontova Gora is the oldest haplogroup Q in the steppes, at 14,000 years old they are closer to Europeans than to East Asians.

https://www.cell.com/trends/genetics/fulltext/S0168-9525(17)30210-X?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com% 2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS016895251730210X%3Fshowall%3Dt rue

First, sampling of Siberian individuals from ∼24–17 ka from the Lake Baikal region (i.e., Mal’ta 1 and Afontova Gora 3) showed that they share a stronger connection to Europeans than to Asians, but that they share the strongest connection to Native Americans

Scythians weren't 30=50% East Eurasian, what a complete load of shit. You pulled that one out of your ass.

Q1a is from Scythians and is associated with Indo European migrations eastward.

Information from the biggest steppe paper of the year so far:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36102-137-ancient-human-genomes-from-across-the-Eurasian-steppes

A few things of note from the GEDMatch list:

- Two Alanic samples from the Caucasus belonged to Q1a2-YP4000 (now found in Siberia, Poland and Chechnya), Q1a2-L330 (Mongolic/Turkic branch found among the Kazakhs) and R1a-Z93 (S23592, now found among the Poles, Chechens, Bashkirs, Tatars, Kazakhs, Altaians). Previous Alanic samples from the North Caucasus belonged to G2a (probably local Caucasian) and R1a-Z93.

- The Alanic Q1a2-YP4000 is a direct descendant of the Q1a2-YP4004 found in the Bronze Age Glazkov culture in the Baikal region. This clade is also found among modern Tatars. The other Q1a2-L330 was also found in that culture as its YP1102 subclade (found among modern Kazakhs). Hence the Alans were of partial Hunnic descent, despite being an Iranian tribe.

- Sarmatian Huns had R1a-Z93 and Q1a2-YP771 (now found in Slavic Russians and Hungarians).

- Tian Shan Huns carried Q1a1-L715 (now found in the North Caucasus (Kabardins), Poland and Hungary) and Q1b2-YP755 (now found in Pakistan and NW India), but also N1c, R1a-Z93 (YP1456, now found among the Bashkirs, Kyrgyzs and Altaians) and oddly also a number of Middle Easter lineages such as E-V22 (Central Europe, Arabian peninsula, Azerbaijan and NE China near Korea) and L1a1 (Y31213, found in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia)

- Tian Shan Saka predating the Tian Shan Huns already carried R1a-Z93 (Z2125), Q1a2-L330 (the same as in Bronze Age Baikal and in the Caucasian Alans) and J2a1-Y13534 (found in the Middle East, North Africa, South Asia and Western Europe).

- Tagar Scythians possessed R1a-Z93 (Z2125) and Q1a2-L933 lineages. The latter is now found in Kerala (southern tip of India!), Yemen, Georgia, Turkey, Czechia and Britain! Apart from the slightly older Indian sample, all have a TMRCA between 5000 and 6000 years, so probably of Steppic origin. It's amazing how far the Scythians migrated and, above all, how wide their geographic reach was, leaving descendants from southern India to Britain and from Siberia to Yemen. And that's just for Siberian Scythians! (as Q1a2 wasn't found in Central Saka or European Scythians).

- Central Scythians (Saka) belonged to R1a-Z93 (YP1456), Q1b2-YP4500 (same as in Tian Shan Huns) and E-M123 (Y31991, now found in Poland, Bulgaria, Lebanon and Qatar)

- The four XiongNu samples only carried O3 and Palaeolithic branches of R1b (not of Indo-European origin).

Overall the two dominant lineages of the Scythians, Huns and Alans appear to have been Q1a and R1a-Z93. These are the only two haplogroups that constantly show up in every culture from every region and period. There is also surprisingly little difference between the Scythians and the Huns. On the other hand, the XiongNu and Mongols carried completely different haplogroups (C2b, O3 and R1b-L278), which means that the Huns were in fact not of XiongNu/Mongol descent as most people thought, but of almost purely (Altaian) Scythian descent.

What is amazing is that almost all the branches of Y-haplogroup Q1a, except the Amerindian, Scandinavian and Levantine/Jewish ones, have been found among the Huns. I was therefore right in my assumption made about 7-8 years ago that the Huns (and explained in my haplogroup Q page) were the ones who spread most of the Q1a1 and Q1a2 lineages.

You are out of your got damn mind if you think Q1a doesn't come from Scythians. Scythians and other IndoEuropeans spread that mofo all over Eurasia, that's why Turks have it.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 03:20 AM

That maps shows nothing whatever to do with the mixing of R1a males with the ancestors of Turks.

Than that is your own wishful thinking

No, the paper is claiming that this is the oldest example of a West Euraisan male in Mongolia mixed with Mongoloids, in the area where the ancestors of Turks came from.

Mongolia does not represent Northeast Asia. You are so damn wrong in many levels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheimat#Turkic

" There is considerable dispute over the time and place of origin of the Turkic languages, with candidates for their ancient homeland ranging from the Transcaspian steppe to Manchuria in Northeast Asia and South-Central-Siberia.[25][26][27] "

This has nothing to do with Turks.

This is the paper you are misquoting but did not cite:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15022363

And did you see what the source says ????

" We extracted DNA from two skeletons belonging to the Sytho-Siberian population, which were excavated from the Sebÿstei site (dating back 2,500 years) in the Altai Republic (Central Asia). Ancient DNA was analyzed by autosomal short tandem repeats (STRs) and by the sequencing of the hypervariable region 1 (HV1) of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region. The results showed that these two skeletons were not close relatives. Moreover, their haplogroups were characteristic of Asian populations. Comparison with the haplogroup of 3,523 Asian and American individuals linked one skeleton with a putative ancestral paleo-Asiatic population and the other with Chinese populations. It appears that the genetic study of ancient populations of Central Asia brings important elements to the understanding of human population movements in Asia. "

So claiming R1a that appears in Mongoloid Turks only 2000 years ago is out of the question, 2500 years ago is 500 BC at least and this most likely not even the earliest R1a date.

The haplogroup F2a is not even found in most Turks and this study did not sequence Y-DNA; there is no evidence either of the two supposed males in this study were R1a, much less that they had anything to do with the R1a, overwhelmingly Caucasoid Western Scythians who interbred with the ancestors of Turks.

If they are Scytho-Siberians than they can only be R1a like almost all Scythian men
MtDNA F2a haplogroup is found in moderate frequencies in Turks, in Kyrgyz 15%

"Caucasoid" MTDNA isn't "massive" in Turkics, only a minority of Turkics have much Caucasoid MTDNA. Caucasoid MTDNA in Turkics isn't even evidence of Turkic males interbreeding with Iranic females; it's a large number of female East Asians being adopted in to Caucasoid populations, or a large number of Caucasoid males with smaller numbers of Caucasoid females displacing East Asian males.

Obviously is massive.

18 million Kazakhs 1 in 2 have Caucasoid mtDNA, so 7.3 million have Caucasoid maternal mtDNA or 9 million Kazakhs have Iranic women mtDNA if you add South Asian mtDNA aswell
5.3 million Kyrgyz 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 have Caucasoid mtDNA 1.4 million to 2.2 million have Caucasoid mtDNA or 1.6 million to 2.7 million Kyrgyz have Iranic mtDNA if you add South Asian mtDNA aswell.

And Kazakhs, Kyrgyz are all heavily mixed being predominately Mongoloid.

Nonsense.

Not nonsense, all you Iranic people have a small degree of South Asian ancestry. So their South Asian mtDNA have nothing to do with Indian women but rather ancient Iranic already have it to a small degree.

The Andronovo-Aryan invasion of India isn't fake. A veddoid invasion of central Asia is pure ButlerKing fantasy.

You wish the ravidoid & Veddoid skulls have been found in pre-Indo-European cultures of Central Asia, so it comes as no surprise that there is some South Asian DNA inherited i.a. by Turkics.

Anau culture in Turkmenistan (5th millennium BC)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_2.jpg

Suyargan culture in Uzbekistan (2nd millennium BC)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_3.jpg[/QUOTE]

That's not White.

Yes they are white for example, the Pamiri, Tajiks have 5-12% South Asian ancestry while the Burusho, Hunza, Kalash people of Kashmir have 21% South Asian ancestry but their facial features are white even if they have South Asian mtDNA.

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/_pamiri-girls-in-vanj1.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2350/2740063681_bbecab5cb0.jpg
http://www.belfun.com/Amaury/images/20010821%20Hunza%20Girl.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1045/1455790392_6a65c2ab33.jpg

Not even close.

Iranic women mtDNA where never just 100% pure west Eurasian, it already has small percentage of South Asian mtDNA. There's no Iranic population from central Asia to middle east that doesn't have South Asian mtDNA.
But just like there is South Asian mtDNA there is also South Asian Y-DNA in all of them but generally it's little in western irenics such as Kurdish, Caucasus while is significant in Afghans, Kashmir and to a lesser extend in Iran, is also presented in central Asia.

Until you remember that that's not what happened, because the Iranic nomads were thoroughly Mongoloid by the time of Mongols and the "Mongoloids" never had Mongoloid Y-DNA.

The Mongol invaders obviously have Mongoloid Y-DNA but the Europoid-Mongoloid invaders would have both Mongoloid Y-DNA and Europoid Y-DNA.

We still have Pamiri, Tajiks as evidence of Europoid population. Central Asia were still a mix of pure Europoid with predominately Europoid by the times Mongol and Turkic invaded to Central Asia as evident from the skulls before the 13th century.

Genetic origins
" The modern Uzbek population represents varying degrees of diversity derived from the high traffic invasion routes through Central Asia. Once populated by Iranian tribes and other Indo-European people, Central Asia experienced numerous invasions emanating out of Mongolia that would drastically affect the region. According to recent genetic genealogy testing from a University of Oxford study, the genetic admixture of the Uzbeks clusters somewhere between the Iranian peoples and the Mongols."

Except this never happened.

Of course it happened, that's why Central Asians Mongoloid-Europoids have large percentages of Caucasoid mtDNA.

Does this moron even realize he is looking at an autosomal chart that has nothing to do with sex chromosomes?

Autosomal DNA charts are 100% proof that EVERY CAUCASOID MTDNA has been continamated with sex chromosomes from Mongoloid males or Mongoloid-Europpid males.

Kyrgyz who have 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA ( 32-51.6% Iranic women mtDNA; majority west Eurasian, minority south Asian )

If they interbreed with the Mongoloid males and Mongoloid-Europoid males than we should be seeing 1.6 million to 2.6 million Kyrgyz as pure Europoid or even predominately at least, which obviously isn't the case for even a single individual.

There are no such burials.

yes there was

The ruling elite were not N and only a minority of the male remains are Mongoloid, as you have been shown many times.

The Mongoloid existed in Pazyryk because the Mongoloid invaded and subsumed them

In Siberia
By Colin Thubron
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=g1RFkyWPiY0C&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE72I-UesMk5zzzVMq_lQ-e62ZDEH9Bv5ZFx_SUom0vmRzr9mMpEYbTJ32pGajbpUTOOOo9Q mRV-Dz4ttEK3FXnqWE0bOPcCqVlrkpZ5vJRshZZNwttRwmRwEIZIgI CAgm175-KyO
" These embalmed faces the anthropological war between Asia and Europe sounds again. In Pazyryk, by the fifth century BC, an invading Mongoloid people was subsuming the Indo-Europeans. "

Not a single shred of evidence of Mongoloid R1a males buried with Caucasoid females.

The Pazyryk alone is already evidence even without it we can see Kirghiz have large percent of Caucasoid mtDNA which proves they absorbed Caucasoid females.

You're also selectively quoting excerpts from Google Books while ignoring the fact that many of the burials are not even Mongoloid.

Pazyryk male, Caucasoid:

https://museumstudiesabroad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_0613.jpg

Depiction of an elite male from Pazyryk. The man is fully Caucasoid.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FXE5D4/pazyryk-culture-scythian-iron-age-archaeological-culture-6th-3rd-centures-FXE5D4.jpg

I will post this again
In Siberia
By Colin Thubron
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=g1RFkyWPiY0C&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE72I-UesMk5zzzVMq_lQ-e62ZDEH9Bv5ZFx_SUom0vmRzr9mMpEYbTJ32pGajbpUTOOOo9Q mRV-Dz4ttEK3FXnqWE0bOPcCqVlrkpZ5vJRshZZNwttRwmRwEIZIgI CAgm175-KyO
" These embalmed faces the anthropological war between Asia and Europe sounds again. In Pazyryk, by the fifth century BC, an invading Mongoloid people was subsuming the Indo-Europeans. "

Not a single evidence of R1a Mongoloids was posted that day. Most of the old Soviet classifications of skulls were incorrect and made by incompetent "researchers".

How is not evidence? The Kirghiz having high R1a with high Caucasoid mtDNA is already great evidence.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 03:25 AM

That maps

Soviet non-science, made by incompetents. There is nothing Mongoloid about the skull.

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAD READ PROPERLY. They are still predominately Caucasoid but I can clearly see significant Mongoloid facial features.

Besides being 1/3 Mongoloid don't always shows Mongoloid features, many of them don't show it.

Like this guy who is part Chinese. So even if you choose not see Mongoloid features it doesn't change the fact he could be a mix race with predominant Europoid facial features that you find many mix race families.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Premiere+Paramount+Pictures+Project+Almanac+OiygRa 2JWWHl.jpg

More Soviet garbage, this has been refuted by modern genetics. As the quote says this idea was made to fit a model, one which has now been overturned.

You didn't refute jack and nor do modern genetics says any of that other than your own cherrypicked words.

This has nothing to do with ANE and blond hair.

It has to do with the fact haplogroup Q is nowhere close to being Caucasoid. Haplogroup Q is like 10,000 years old than your Afontova with a mtDNA R1b

No, Afontova Gora is not Mongoloid. The DNA has confirmed they were West Eurasian shifted and not East Asian.

Being west Eurasian shifted does not mean he doesn't look Mongoloid as their morphologies weren't developed at that stage.

Just like Ainu have Caucasian like morphologies but are East Asian genetically, just like Negrito's have east Asian genetically.

More Soviet-educated retards. There are no Mongoloid characteristics at Afontova Gora and they also lack defining dental characteristics of East Asians.

And what evidence do you have exactly ?

They have 27% Caucasoid DNA which makes it a minority.

That's only the lowest percentage that you have given and besides 27% = 1 in 4 people, and you're not even including South Asian which would have come from Iranic women that would make it 36% which is slightly more than 1/3

No they weren't. They were 20-30% Mongoloid over 1500 years before Christ existed. By the time of the Uighur invasions they would already have been over 50% Mongoloid. Late Tocharian self-depictions look like Eurasian Mongoloids.

Ahahahhaha, no they aren't you dipshit. They don't have anywhere near 80% Caucasoid, and the only studies giving them high percentage of Caucasoid admixture compared them to Mongoloid-admixed populations.

Uighurs are, at the very, very most, 30% European.

RIGHT... if by the time of Uyghur invasion if they would been over 50% Mongoloid like you said how and here we still have several samples of Caucasoid admixture being 90% and 85% evidence of ancient Tocharian blood running in southern Uyghurs of Tarim Basin

We still have evidence surviving descendants of almost pure Tocharian Uyghurs

1 Uyghur sample being 90% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
1 Uyghur sample being 85% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
1 Uyghur sample being 77% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
3 Uyghur sample being 70-75% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
7 Uyghur samples being 60-69% Caucasoid west Eurasian

Is already proof ancient Tocharian/Iranians of Tarm Basin were most of them were 85-90% Caucasoid/west Eurasian on average, with some being 77% in the past.

So the Caucasoid/and predominately Caucasoid Tocharians intermixing with invaders Mongoloid/and predominately Mongoloid Uyghurs
Which formed the modern day Northern Uyghurs being anything 30%, 35,% 48% Caucasoid/west Eurasian while Southern Uyghurs are 52, 60%, 68% Caucasoid West Eurasian on average.

CEU = Central European
UIG = Uighur

( Even in this Uyghurs of Hotan most of them are 60% West Eurasian/Caucasoids )
http://i63.tinypic.com/wk45n9.jpg

DNA STUDY ON UIGHURS

" One study, using samples from Hetian (Hotan) only, found that Uyghurs have 60% European ancestry and 40% East Asian ancestry.[131] A further study showed slightly greater European component (52% European) in the Uyghur population in southern Xinjiang, but slightly greater East Asian component (47% European) in the northern Uyghur population.[132] Another study used a larger sample of individuals from a wider area, and found only about 30% European component to the admixture.[133] "

Southern Uyghurs are much more Caucasoid than Northern Uygurs and that makes 100% sense because original Tocharian/Iranians were in South Xinjiang which is Tarim Basin.

Dzungaria (Red) and the Tarim Basin (Blue)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Xinjiang_regions_simplified.png

You can misinterpret to the way you but you can never make it as fact. It is history and DNA that's what make it facts not your own belief

According to the paper by Li et al.:

... the western East Asians are more closely related to Uyghurs than the eastern East Asians. ... STRUCTURE cannot distinguish recent admixture from a cline of other origin, and these analyses cannot prove admixture in the Uyghurs; however, historical records indicate that the present Uyghurs were formed by admixture between Tocharians from the west and Orkhon Uyghurs (Wugusi-Huihu, according to present Chinese pronunciation) from the east in the 8th century AD. The Uyghur Empire was originally located in Mongolia and conquered the Tocharian tribes in Xinjiang. Tocharians such as Kroran have been shown by archaeological findings to appear phenotypically similar to northern and central Europeans, whereas the Orkhon Uyghur people were clearly Mongolians. The two groups of people subsequently mixed in Xinjiang to become one population, the present Uyghurs. We do not know the genetic constitution of the Tocharians, but if they were similar to western Siberians, such as the Khanty, admixture would already be biased toward similarity with East Asian populations.

Turks are one of the most defeated people in world history, Iranians ruled them for hundreds of years.

Lol. Let me show you a piece of your worst nightmares, hahahaha. maybe Iranians did ruled them for 200 years but Turks ruled over thousand years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkic_dynasties_and_countries

Here's what was happening with Turks in 6th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Perso-Turkic_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Perso-Turkic_War

Dude, you really have no idea do you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkic_dynasties_and_countries

The Gokturks were already ruling Central Asia Iranians even before your Perso-Turkic war started
http://i48.tinypic.com/2r6nx2b.jpg

Nobody ever said there were pure Kyrgyz Caucasoids, that was your own fucktarded assumption.

And I never said they were Mongoloid, I said they were mixed which you denied.

More copy and pasting. And no, MTDNA doesn't code for phenotype.

You said Turkic Mongoloid males with Caucasoid Iranic females. Big difference.

By Turkic Mongoloid males obviously I'm talking about the ones who look predominately Mongoloid appearance and look nearly no different to your average pure Chinese guy. Just African American males, they have 20-45% R1b (depending on the state they live ) but still doesn't change the fact they are black or negroid-caucasoid with a black appearance

When talking about Europoid-Mongoloid I'm talking about the ones predominate Mongoloid types like Kyrgyz,
not like Tajiks, Azeris ( who have substantial Mongoloid admixture ) who are also Europoid-Mongoloid but with predominate Caucasoid types

In Russia, most of the rape crimes against Caucasoid women are done by central Asian muslim migrants.

( By the way this posted by Acchan board and stormfront, not by me )

Russian child rape doubled in 2016 thanks to central asian muslim migrants from Tajkistan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.

1 in 3 rapes in Moscow commited by illegal immigrants.

80% of raped in St. Petersburg commited by migrants.

Russian women and children are raped by central asian perso-turko-mongolic bulls.

75% of rapes done by foreigners, 90% of them are from Central Asia (2016)

( Translate Russian to English )

https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsledcom.ru%2Fnews%2Fitem%2F1069718% 2F%3Ftype%3Dnews%26more_link%3D1&edit-text=&act=url

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.interfax.ru/world/495056

http://tass.com/russia/716730

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vikkersss/64611068/45379/45379_1000.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/2wobzoj.jpg

2 Kyrgyz and 1 Uzbek/Azeri gang-raped a white girl.
https://s11.stc.all.kpcdn.net/share/i/4/721482/wx1080.jpg

Mongoloid Turk attempting to rape a white girl was beaten to pulp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Erel_YgRFw[/QUOTE]

Except you never found that, the Caucasoid MTDNA in Kyrgyz is low.

1.6 million to 2.6 million Kyrgyz out of 5.3 million Kyrgyz having Caucasoid mtDNA is NOT LOW.

I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KYRGYZ GROUP

Kyrgyz Y-DNA
The genetic makeup of the Kyrgyz is consistent with their origin as a mix of tribes.[30][31] For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District[32]Other groups of Kyrgyz show considerably lower haplogroup R frequencies and almost lack haplogroup N.[37]

Caucasoid Y-DNA 52% ( R1a, R1b, J, I ), Mongoloid Y-DNA 44% ( O, C, Q, N ), South Asian Y-DNA 3.9% ( R2 )

http://i65.tinypic.com/8yvrx5.gif

Kyrgyz mtDNA
West Eurasian mtDNA ranges from 27% to 42.6% in the Kyrgyz[38] with Haplogroup mtDNA H being the most predominant marker at 21.3% among the Kyrgyz.[38]

Caucasoid mtDNA 31% ( H, J, I ) and Mongoloid mtDNA 55% ( D, B, G, C, N9, F, M9 ) , South Asian mtDNA 3.9% ( M9 ) 10% unclassified haplogroups ( coloured in white )
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/WorldHaplogroupsMaps/KyrgyzMT_DNA.gif

They have no more Mongoloid Y-DNA than the average Mexican has Amerindian Y-DNA. Your Northern Mexicans have the highest European Y-DNA, btw.

They have like 20x more. So stop dreaming

Hahahahahaha.

You've gotta stop speaking out of your ass, man.

It's only a small number of Turkics who have more than 40% "Caucasoid" MTDNA. The majority have majority Caucasoid Y-DNA and majority Mongoloid MTDNA.
The ones with much Caucasoid MTDNA are small minorities or minorities in their own countries (Kazakhs).

In Kyrgyz case Mongoloid males and mix Mongoloid-Caucasoid males interbred Iranic females and the same for vice versa with caucasoid male.

No, it's Caucasoid males with Mongoloid-Caucasoid females. Kyrgyz never mixed with Caucasoid Iranic females.

Small number when there are millions of them ?

How does explain the 32-51.6% Iranic Caucasoid mtDNA with Iranicized South Asian mtDNA in Kyrgyz ? This 1/3 to 1/2 of Kyrgyz people have Caucasoid maternal female DNA ancestry.

They weren't and aren't fully Mongoloid.

Last time I checked African Americans aren't fully negroid either.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/11/uyafr.png

He is not Mongoloid.

Seriously, don't even come at me with that crap. That's like saying a half Indian/half European guy who marries a white women but looks Indian enough is not a South Asian.
He is Mongoloid enough when he kisses Eliza Couple. Don't believe than do some research and watch his videos with those white models, actress, everyone thinks he is simply default Asian guy

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WBTsJd3fIoE/maxresdefault.jpg

He looks barely distinguishable from the pure Asian guy on the right

http://malaysiaelf.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/6/2/38628135/6982580_orig.jpg

The Southeast Asian migration route is a theoretical model that is not supported by any archaeological evidence, and even if it were:

That does not mean that it is Mongoloid (oldest inhabitants of Southeast Asia are not Mongoloid

Oldest inhabitants of Indo-China are Mongoloid but not the southeast Asian region such as Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Phillipines, Indonesia

and

It doesn't change the fact that the 14,000 year old Q population from Afontova Gora was genetically shifted towards Europeans and not East Asians (Fu).

His mtDNA is R1b is the reason for his shifted dna toward Europeans also 14,000 years old is nothing when you compare to the original 24,500 years old where Q originated from this.

This has nothing to do with Mongoloids.

It shows that haplogroup was already in the modern Mongoloid region before it even appeared in the Caucasoid area.

It was. It was significant in Afontova Gora, Scythians, etc. It is significant in modern Jews who are Caucasoid. The reason Haplogroup Q is predominant in Mongoloid populations today is because it is the result of Caucasoid males migrating East and mixing with Mongoloid females, and so it is now in populations that are predominantly Mongoloid, autosomally.

Even Native Americans can have some Caucasoid features and pass for white.

No they can't pass for white (except for the one mixed for Europeans )
But for your info even many Taiwanese aborigines can pass for Caucasoid features

Your confusing proto-Mongoloid archaic traits with Caucasoids.

Some Taiwan aborigines are also born with Caucasoid like traits but DNA shows they have 0% genetic relations with Caucasoids.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2edxv5z.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/50ijax.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/30iz5fn.jpg

Nobody can say this Cheyenne man, haplogroup Q looks Mongoloid. He didn't get this look from his East Eurasian autosomal, he got it from his West Eurasian autosomal.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/26/c0/c426c09f84f7b5199205652dcd746147.jpg

Neo-Mongoloids are what Asian Mongoloid look like, while proto-Mongoloid is what Ainu and any Native Americans look like

Nobody can say these Taiwanese aborigine with haplogroup O looks Mongoloid. East Asian Mongoloid features began being fully developed during the ice age and created the Chinese/Mongol look.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2ed823a.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2r3uue0.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/xzlaq.png

They get their Q from Caucasoid males, still often look Caucasoid physically:

https://secrethistory.su/uploads/posts/2014-01/1389037588_ket.jpg

No they look typically proto-Mongoloid. Ancient Mongoloids before the ice age look like Ainu, some Taiwan aborigine tribes, Native Americans, it's after the ice age like 12,000-20,000+ years that most of them except the Hokkaido, island of Taiwan and the new world of America's preserved their proto-Mongoloid traits even if they share the same type of Y-DNA and mtDNA with East Asian/Siberian Mongoloids (or Asia Mongoloids ) who all evolved into the Neo-Mongoloid types.

Turkmen are not heavily Mongoloid.

BECAUSE OF THIS

" Genetic studies on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) restriction polymorphism confirmed that Turkmen were characterized by the presence of local Iranian mtDNA lineages, similar to the Eastern Iranian populations, but high male Mongoloid genetic component observed in Turkmens populations with the frequencies of about 20%.[20] This most likely indicates an ancestral combination of Turkic and Iranian groups that the modern Turkmen have inherited and which appears to correspond to the historical record which indicates that various Iranian tribes existed in the region prior to the migration of Turkic tribes: "

Bode, C.A. "The Yamud and Goklan tribes of Turkomania". Journal of the London Ethnological Society, vol. 1, 1848, pp. 60–78.

"
The Turkomans observe a difference between their children from Turkoman mothers, and those from the Persian female captives whom they take as wives, and the Kazakh women whom they purchase from the Uzbeks of Khiva. The Turkomans of pure race enjoy full privileges, while the others are not allowed to contract marriages with Turkoman women of pure blood, but must choose themselves wives among the half-castes and Kazakh captives. "

Abolition of slavery

" The Russian administration liberated the slaves of the Kazakhs in 1859.[27] However, isolated abductions of Russians or Ukrainians by Kazakhs for the slave markets of Central Asia continued until the Tsars' conquest of Khiva and Bukhara in the 1860s.[28] At major markets in Bukhara, Samarkand, Karakul, Karshi and Charju, slaves consisted mainly of Iranians and Russians, and some Kalmuks; they were brought there by Turkmen, Kazakh and Kyrgyz.[29] A notorious slave market for captured Russian and Persian slaves was centered in the Khanate of Khiva from the 17th to the 19th century.[30] During the first half of the 19th century alone, some one million Persians, as well as an unknown number of Russians, were enslaved and transported to Central Asian khanates.[31][32] When Russian troops took Khiva in 1873 there were 29,300 Persian slaves, captured by Turkoman raiders.[citation needed] According of Josef Wolff (Report of 1843–1845) the population of the Khanate of Bukhara was 1,200,000, of whom 200,000 were Persian slaves.[33] "

Q is Caucasoid.

They didn't have blond hair 25,000 years ago.

Nope, sorry you're wrong.

Haplogroup Q is 1000000% Mongoloid for sure.

MTDNA r1b:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(mtDNA)

What an idiot.

Not a single evidence of anything to do with Mongoloids was seen that day.

Precisely, which means even the allehe for blonde hair, and even it's west Eurasian DNA cannot be attributed as haplogroup Q

Because one, Haplogroup Q existed since 24,500 years ago while you male is only 14,000 years ago, two your R1b mtDNA is the reason Afotova is predominately west Eurasian.

1 generation

Father Y-DNA Mongoloid haplogroup Q with mother Caucasoid mtDNA haplogroup R1b = son 50% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
Son marry another Caucasoid women = 75% Caucasoid/west Eurasian, their grandson son = 88% Caucasid/west Eurasian
Grandson marry Caucasoid women = their great grandson son 94% Caucasoid/west Eurasian.

SO YOU PROVE NOTHING, YOU PROVE 0%

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 03:56 AM

Than that is your own wishful thinking

Your entire online existence for the past 15 years has consisted in posting your wishful thoughts, motivated by your own psychological insecurities and mental illness.

Mongolia does not represent Northeast Asia. You are so damn wrong in many levels

Yes it does. Eastern Mongolia is positively in northeast Asia.

And did you see what the source says ????

" We extracted DNA from two skeletons belonging to the Sytho-Siberian population, which were excavated from the Sebÿstei site (dating back 2,500 years) in the Altai Republic (Central Asia). Ancient DNA was analyzed by autosomal short tandem repeats (STRs) and by the sequencing of the hypervariable region 1 (HV1) of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region. The results showed that these two skeletons were not close relatives. Moreover, their haplogroups were characteristic of Asian populations. Comparison with the haplogroup of 3,523 Asian and American individuals linked one skeleton with a putative ancestral paleo-Asiatic population and the other with Chinese populations. It appears that the genetic study of ancient populations of Central Asia brings important elements to the understanding of human population movements in Asia. "

So claiming R1a that appears in Mongoloid Turks only 2000 years ago is out of the question, 2500 years ago is 500 BC at least and this most likely not even the earliest R1a date.

This has nothing whatever to do with Turks. This is not a population that was related to Turks.

If they are Scytho-Siberians than they can only be R1a like almost all Scythian men
MtDNA F2a haplogroup is found in moderate frequencies in Turks, in Kyrgyz 15%

Absolute horseshit, read the sources I just posted. The predominant haplogroups of Scythians are R1a and Q1a. There is no evidence F2a was found in ancient Kyrgyz or Turks in general.

[SIZE=3]18 million Kazakhs 1 in 2 have Caucasoid mtDNA, so 7.3 million have Caucasoid maternal mtDNA or 9 million Kazakhs have Iranic women mtDNA if you add South Asian mtDNA aswell
5.3 million Kyrgyz 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 have Caucasoid mtDNA 1.4 million to 2.2 million have Caucasoid mtDNA or 1.6 million to 2.7 million Kyrgyz have Iranic mtDNA if you add South Asian mtDNA aswell.

"18 million Kazakhs", no there aren't. The population of Kazakhstan (17.8 million) is barely 50% Kazakh.

The majority of Turks are majority East Eurasian female MTDNA.

And Kazakhs, Kyrgyz are all heavily mixed being predominately Mongoloid.

The Kyrgyz are not predominantly Mongoloid in the physical sense.

Not nonsense, all you Iranic people have a small degree of South Asian ancestry. So their South Asian mtDNA have nothing to do with Indian women but rather ancient Iranic already have it to a small degree.

No, it's Indian women captured during the Andronovo invasions.

The Mongol invaders obviously have Mongoloid Y-DNA but the Europoid-Mongoloid invaders would have both Mongoloid Y-DNA and Europoid Y-DNA.

There is no trace of Mongols leaving a Y-DNA trace. All the descendants of Mongols in West Eurasia are predominantly Caucasoid R1, I, J, etc. Also, C isn't a Mongoloid haplogroup, it is West Eurasian.

We still have Pamiri, Tajiks as evidence of Europoid population.

Not even close.

Central Asia were still a mix of pure Europoid with predominately Europoid by the times Mongol and Turkic invaded to Central Asia as evident from the skulls before the 13th century.

No, it wasn't.

Genetic origins
" The modern Uzbek population represents varying degrees of diversity derived from the high traffic invasion routes through Central Asia. Once populated by Iranian tribes and other Indo-European people, Central Asia experienced numerous invasions emanating out of Mongolia that would drastically affect the region. According to recent genetic genealogy testing from a University of Oxford study, the genetic admixture of the Uzbeks clusters somewhere between the Iranian peoples and the Mongols."

Outdated and irrelevant quote from before we had comprehensive Y-DNA studies on the region.

Of course it happened, that's why Central Asians Mongoloid-Europoids have large percentages of Caucasoid mtDNA.

They do not.

Autosomal DNA charts are 100% proof that EVERY CAUCASOID MTDNA has been continamated with sex chromosomes from Mongoloid males or Mongoloid-Europpid males.

LMFAO @ the child-like ignorance of this statement.

Kyrgyz who have 27-42.6% Caucasoid mtDNA ( 32-51.6% Iranic women mtDNA; majority west Eurasian, minority south Asian )

If they interbreed with the Mongoloid males and Mongoloid-Europoid males than we should be seeing 1.6 million to 2.6 million Kyrgyz as pure Europoid or even predominately at least, which obviously isn't the case for even a single individual.

Nonsense. Again, MTDNA does not code for phenotype at all.

Having a west eurasian Y-chromosome and west Eurasian MTDNA profile does not even suggest a person will look Europoid.

yes there was

The Mongoloid existed in Pazyryk because the Mongoloid invaded and subsumed them

In Siberia
By Colin Thubron
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=g1RFkyWPiY0C&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE72I-UesMk5zzzVMq_lQ-e62ZDEH9Bv5ZFx_SUom0vmRzr9mMpEYbTJ32pGajbpUTOOOo9Q mRV-Dz4ttEK3FXnqWE0bOPcCqVlrkpZ5vJRshZZNwttRwmRwEIZIgI CAgm175-KyO
" These embalmed faces the anthropological war between Asia and Europe sounds again. In Pazyryk, by the fifth century BC, an invading Mongoloid people was subsuming the Indo-Europeans. "

No they did not. Colin Thubron is a novelist (fiction author) and a "travel writer" not an anthropologist or archeologist and is relying on the same outdated, Soviet trash that you have been posting here.

The Pazyryk alone is already evidence even without it we can see Kirghiz have large percent of Caucasoid mtDNA which proves they absorbed Caucasoid females.

No, it does not. How many times do I have to show you why?

I will post this again

There is no need to post Colin Thubron's poorly researched fiction. He does not even have a doctorate's degree in writing (his profession).

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 04:31 AM

Absolutely wrong and the hair samples from the Tashtyk samples prove it so. Yenisei Kyrgyz were golden haired, ashen blond. Case closed.

Except you don't have a single source that Yenisie Kyrguz were blonde. You really just bullcrap talk without checking out any facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashtyk_culture

" The Tashtyk culture was first surveyed by the Russian archaeologist Sergei Teploukhov.[3] Teploukhov suggested that it had been initially Indo-European dominated, only to become overcome by the Yenisei Kirghiz around the 3rd century AD.[3] The Yenisei Kirghiz are often associated with the Tashtyk culture.[4] "

" During his excavations of the Oglahty cemetery south of Minusinsk, Leonid Kyzlasov discovered a number of mummies with richly decorated plaster funerary masks showing Western Eurasian features, though this would not rule out some East Asian admixture, as revealed by ancient DNA (see below). There were also intact fur hats, silk clothes, and footwear (now in the Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg). "

Do you know what this means? The Yenesie Kirghiz who were Turkic absorbed the Indo-European Tashtyk culture and forming the ancient Yenesie Kirghiz.

Properly most ancient Tashtyk culture people were Caucasoid but those mask exhibit Europoid features mixing with Mongoloid features

Ancient Population of Siberia and Its Cultures - Page 40

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=f5ZAAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE73b1eNXu-mwoZdL4GCmHXKxp5ncuYXb6vTRabMSIq02MYlnMq2Mh6VLjyOY TI78zx16eKldkBt26eXj-Gkr90o4g_-XEhqU2qf7_BhzJNTTLaAwFr8

"These masks exhibit quite well the features resulting from the mixing of the Europoid with the Mongoloid peoples. "

Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=f5ZAAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71KjVW8qZZueJ9XfWtqLa7mL8eqDZG-R-nhbMAeV6Yf857Ze3XNk4SSMnNaAcEe8k0Vty4hwa6AcNEaJla1 rqJxwDRE2F2yJdG3GH0e2E6dr4d23DI
"Mongoloid penetration into Central Asia is the skeletal material obtained from graves of the subsequent Tashtyk culture of Minusinsk Krai "
" Mongoloid skulls discovered in the burials of the Tashtyk culture"
" First stage are related Mongoloid skulls discovered in the burials of the Tashtyk culture,4 in the uplands of the Altay mountains,6 and apparently in eastern Kazakhstan where, "

Multiple sources attest to this which you have already seen and you already posted a photo of blond hair in a Yenisei Kyrgyz.

0 source of Kirghiz being blonde
0 pictures of Kirghiz being blonde
0 faces from you.

That's pretty much from you.

They didn't, they were described as blond haired, blue eyed, tall. The only reference to redness in Kyrgyz was in the redness (ruddiness) of their skin.

No evidence, just empty words

Most Germans have brown hair today. Most Germans in those times were blond.

No evidence all talk.

No, the chances that they are predominantly Caucasoid and Caucasoid-admixed people is much higher. Nenets, Mansi, Khani are all minorities far away.

Nenets, Mansi, Khanty, Selkuks, Kets had a higher population back than before diseases depleted their populations

Because they are mixed with Caucasoids.

So it still doesn't change the fact they are Mongoloid-Europoids of predominant Mongoloid type. They can have docilephic skull shape with blue eyes, blonde hair but they are still predominately Mongoloid like these Turkic

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e07187e7f5114161e5592ce1f3482702

Besides there are pure Mongoloids who are blonde, blue eyes like Hmong people

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/07/fe/f4/07fef4136ca795539824df23206f75c8--white-people-attractive-people.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6fba1a5aa3eb1b349b3e188b7327d355-c

The only one doing that here is you.

The Tarim Basin complex remains had over 50% red hair.

No proof. Interpretations with empty words.

Red hair is never more than 20% in modern populations. In the patriarchal past however, it was much, much higher.

No proof. Interpretations with empty words.

Hahahhahahah, the level of delusion is astounding here; how can you not be ashamed of yourself? The masks are predominantly Caucasoid. Also most of the Mongoloid-looking masks of the Yenisei appear to be children, the same is true for the allegedly "Mongoloid" burials at Pazyryk.

The mask could easily be interpreted as Mongoloid-Caucasoid. It's just

Note that ButlerKing likes to post pictures of CHILDREN who he thinks look Mongoloid... Ignoring the fact that people look more Mongoloid when they are children.

Your logic makes no sense.

>Posts black and white photos
>Claims they are blue eyed and blond

In reality they aren't blond because they aren't as Caucasoid as the Yenisei Kyrgyz of the ancient world. The Yenisei Kyrgyz WERE blond and blue eyed, because they were earlier in time and had been bred specifically to look more Caucasoid, with Caucasoid admixture in larger MB chunks than modern Yeniseians.

This guy easily looks like those masks that you think are Europoid

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44343&d=1391920298

Lol. I already shown you plenty of blonde hair-blue eyes Siberian Mongoloid-Europoids

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/nenets-students-must-learn-russian-maria-stenzel.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/sazg5j.jpg
http://alphapipe.imagefarm.s3.amazonaws.com/fwp0000263-Seretetto%20Tribe.jpg.jpg
http://s1083.photobucket.com/albums/j381/aaa_aaa/eurasian_nenets_183288841_329496898_zpslisjmiuk.jp g
https://www.mindenpictures.com/cache/pcache2/90725826.jpg
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/rf-dudinka-06.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9d364f84f66ee52c6a4825590fe58b63-c

There's absolutely every chance for blonde hair, blue eye Yenesie Kirghiz and people of the later Tashtyk culture ( not early ones but late Tashtyk ones ) to have look like Mongoloid-Europoids like them.

If there was no Siberian Mongoloid or Mongoloid-Europoids without blonde hair, red hair, blue eyes, green eyes than everything you say would be 100% correct but these pictures prove you completely wrong and they have it in large percentage. Also yenesei Kirghiz and Tashtyk came from Siberia.

Xiongnu as a group were not predom N or C. The Q they had came from Caucasoid Q1 Scythian and Indo European males.

Haplogroup Q is obviously Mongoloids. There is no Caucasoid population with high haplogroup Q , only Mongoloid with high haplogroup Q.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 04:42 AM

Your entire online existence for the past 15 years has consisted in posting your wishful thoughts, motivated by your own psychological insecurities and mental illness.

Lol I like how you lose the debate.

Yes it does. Eastern Mongolia is positively in northeast Asia.

South Siberia is not Northeast Asia.

This has nothing whatever to do with Turks. This is not a population that was related to Turks.

They would become the ancestors of the Turkic ethnicity.

Absolute horseshit, read the sources I just posted. The predominant haplogroups of Scythians are R1a and Q1a. There is no evidence F2a was found in ancient Kyrgyz or Turks in general.

Scythians had 9/10 R1a with only 1 haplogroup Q1a, nice try but one haplogroup Q doesn't prove it's Scythian. No one said F2a has to be in ancient Kyrgyr or Turks. The Kyrgyz having high R1a with significant percent of mtDNA F is evidence of that.

"18 million Kazakhs", no there aren't. The population of Kazakhstan (17.8 million) is barely 50% Kazakh.

Lol barely 50% of Kazakhs.......

The majority of Turks are majority East Eurasian female MTDNA.

Still a very large percentage of them are West Eurasian mtDNA

The Kyrgyz are not predominantly Mongoloid in the physical sense.

They are so Mongoloid looking that that Chinese, Koreans are also beaten by neo-Nazis because of the rape crimes Kyrgyz commits against Russian women and other female Caucasoid ethnicity in Russia.
That is why there's videos of Russian targeting Central Asian Mongoloids and darker types semetic looking Caucasoids because they consider them uncivilized and commit crimes

https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/33/photos/58000/kyrgyzstan-army-388058.jpg

No, it's Indian women captured during the Andronovo invasions.

0% there's more Indian Y-DNA originally but this depleted after the Mongol-Turkic massacred large percent of the Iranic. There was no South Asian women during the time of Mongol-Turkic invasion.

There is no trace of Mongols leaving a Y-DNA trace. All the descendants of Mongols in West Eurasia are predominantly Caucasoid R1, I, J, etc. Also, C isn't a Mongoloid haplogroup, it is West Eurasian.

Haplogroup C is Mongoloid is proven by the fact that Hazara have 65% Caucasoid/West Eurasian mtDNA with some South Asian and they are still slightly more Mongoloid than Caucasoid

And in any population with haplogroup C-M217 there's always Mongoloid looking people followed with Mongoloid DNA.

Lol saying all the descendants of Mongols in west Eurasian are predominately Caucasoid is the same shit with saying all the Anglo-Indians from India and from UK are predominately Indian. Or the same shit with the Sudanese Arabs being predominately Black.

Can you explain to me why gygpsies are predominately west Eurasian ????? :)

Not even close.

No, it wasn't.

Outdated and irrelevant quote from before we had comprehensive Y-DNA studies on the region.

Again just your denial feelings

Your own wishful thinking

LMFAO @ the child-like ignorance of this statement.

Your denial opinions.

Nonsense. Again, MTDNA does not code for phenotype at all.

Having a west eurasian Y-chromosome and west Eurasian MTDNA profile does not even suggest a person will look Europoid.

Not only that there's no proof Q is west Eurasian, just because of 14,000 year male when it existed 24,500 years ago.

No they did not. Colin Thubron is a novelist (fiction author) and a "travel writer" not an anthropologist or archeologist and is relying on the same outdated, Soviet trash that you have been posting here.

This is your own denial feelings

No, it does not. How many times do I have to show you why?

There is no need to post Colin Thubron's poorly researched fiction. He does not even have a doctorate's degree in writing (his profession).

Again just your denial beliefs.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 04:48 AM

You didn't refute jack and nor do modern genetics says any of that other than your own cherrypicked words.

You have been refuted several times.

It has to do with the fact haplogroup Q is nowhere close to being Caucasoid. Haplogroup Q is like 10,000 years old than your Afontova with a mtDNA R1b

Not Q1 which is what Afontova Gora is.

There is no +20,000 year old sample of Haplogroup Q.

Being west Eurasian shifted does not mean he doesn't look Mongoloid as their morphologies weren't developed at that stage.

Not even being East Eurasian shifted means you will look Mongoloid. Plenty of Native Americans barely have Mongoloid features despite being East Eurasian shifted. Afontova Gora did not have Mongoloid dental morphology and at least one of them had blond hair so it's over; they were Caucasoid.

Just like Ainu have Caucasian like morphologies but are East Asian genetically, just like Negrito's have east Asian genetically.

Ainu aren't genetically East Asian. Modern Ainu are mixed.

And what evidence do you have exactly ?

The Morphology of Human Teeth from Afontova Gora II, Southern Siberia, and Their Status Relative to the Dentition of Other Upper Paleolithic Northern Eurasians

A.V. Zubova and T.A. Chikisheva.

That's only the lowest percentage that you have given and besides 27% = 1 in 4 people, and you're not even including South Asian which would have come from Iranic women that would make it 36% which is slightly more than 1/3

There is not even certainty that the South Asian MTDNA isn't Mongoloid much less Caucasoid. Even the 27% figure doesn't denote Caucasoid MTDNA.

if by the time of Uyghur invasion if they would been over 50% Mongoloid like you said how and here we still have several samples of Caucasoid admixture being 90% and 85% evidence of ancient Tocharian blood running in southern Uyghurs of Tarim Basin

There aren't.

We still have evidence surviving descendants of almost pure Tocharian Uyghurs

Is already proof ancient Tocharian/Iranians of Tarm Basin were most of them were 85-90% Caucasoid/west Eurasian on average, with some being 77% in the past.[/quote]

I already took you through this, they aren't more than 50% Caucasoid in any case.

So the Caucasoid/and predominately Caucasoid Tocharians intermixing with invaders Mongoloid/and predominately Mongoloid Uyghurs

Never happened.

Even in this Uyghurs of Hotan most of them are 60% West Eurasian/Caucasoids )
http://i63ic.com/wk45n9.jpg

You don't know how to read.

......More useless photos discarded...

You can misinterpret to the way you but you can never make it as fact. It is history and DNA that's what make it facts not your own belief

I already posted the facts, in fact a full explanation of the facts, but you choose not to believe it because it is something you don't want to see. Uighurs are, at most, 30% European.

... the western East Asians are more closely related to Uyghurs than the eastern East Asians. ... STRUCTURE cannot distinguish recent admixture from a cline of other origin, and these analyses cannot prove admixture in the Uyghurs; however, historical records indicate that the present Uyghurs were formed by admixture between Tocharians from the west and Orkhon Uyghurs (Wugusi-Huihu, according to present Chinese pronunciation) from the east in the 8th century AD. The Uyghur Empire was originally located in Mongolia and conquered the Tocharian tribes in Xinjiang. Tocharians such as Kroran have been shown by archaeological findings to appear phenotypically similar to northern and central Europeans, whereas the Orkhon Uyghur people were clearly Mongolians. The two groups of people subsequently mixed in Xinjiang to become one population, the present Uyghurs. We do not know the genetic constitution of the Tocharians, but if they were similar to western Siberians, such as the Khanty, admixture would already be biased toward similarity with East Asian populations.

Hahahaha, another non-quote from a novelist fiction author.

The Kroran people weren't at all similar to northern and central Europeans with their BROWN SKIN

https://i.imgur.com/DMHaxbG.jpg

Page 180, Language in Time and Space, Bauer and Pinault

Lol. Let me show you a piece of your worst nightmares, hahahaha. maybe Iranians did ruled them for 200 years but Turks ruled over thousand years

Gokturks blah blah blah

Nonsense.

And I never said they were Mongoloid, I said they were mixed which you denied.

By Turkic Mongoloid males obviously I'm talking about the ones who look predominately Mongoloid appearance and look nearly different to your average pure Chinese guy.

Non-existent.

ust African American males, they have 20-45% R1b (depending on the state they live ) but still doesn't change the fact they are black or negroid-caucasoid with a black appearance

No they aren't. They are qualitatively deviant from pure Africans on just about every metrical measurement and skin, hair coloration.

When talking about Europoid-Mongoloid I'm talking about the ones predominate Mongoloid types like Kyrgyz,

They aren't.

In Russia, most of the rape crimes against Caucasoid women are done by central Asian muslim migrants.

This has nothing whatever to do with the subject at hand, it is filler for your stupid posts.

1.6 million to 2.6 million Kyrgyz out of 5.3 million Kyrgyz having Caucasoid mtDNA is NOT LOW.

Yes it is, also considering how low their Mongoloid Y-DNA is.

Caucasoid Y-DNA 52% ( R1a, R1b, J, I ), Mongoloid Y-DNA 44% ( O, C, Q, N ), South Asian Y-DNA 3.9% ( R2 )

Oh, so south Asian DNA isn't Caucasoid now?

Q and C aren't either, doubtful whether N is Mongoloid considering how few Mongoloid remains there are in Pazyryk.

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How does explain the 32-51.6% Iranic Caucasoid mtDNA with Iranicized South Asian mtDNA in Kyrgyz ? This 1/3 to 1/2 of Kyrgyz people have Caucasoid maternal female DNA ancestry.

No matter how many times you repeat this statement, it will not make it true.

He is Mongoloid enough when he kisses Eliza Couple. Don't believe than do some research and watch his videos with those white models, actress, everyone thinks he is simply default Asian guy

No he isn't and "videos" aren't a source.

He looks barely distinguishable from the pure Asian guy on the right

http://malaysiaelf.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/6/2/38982580_orig.jpg

The other Asian is mixed and has had plastic surgery to increase his Caucasoid appearance.

Oldest inhabitants of Indo-China are Mongoloid but not the southeast Asian region such as Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Phillipines, Indonesia

No they are not.

His mtDNA is R1b is the reason for his shifted dna toward Europeans also 14,000 years old is nothing when you compare to the original 24,500 years old where Q originated from this.

No it is not and R1b is not a European haplogroup.

There has never been a 24,000 year old fossil that yielded Haplogroup Q, that is an estimate not based on physical evidence. Even Mal'ta-Buret was West Eurasian shifted, so there is no doubt that Q would be as well.

It shows that haplogroup was already in the modern Mongoloid region before it even appeared in the Caucasoid area.

It shows nothing and there is no such thing as a "Mongoloid area".

No they can't pass for white (except for the one mixed for Europeans )
But for your info even many Taiwanese aborigines can pass for Caucasoid features

Your confusing proto-Mongoloid archaic traits with Caucasoids.

Some Taiwan aborigines are also born with Caucasoid like traits but DNA shows they have 0% genetic relations with Caucasoids.

Neo-Mongoloids are what Asian Mongoloid look like, while proto-Mongoloid is what Ainu and any Native Americans look like

That Native American and that Ket have zero "Proto Mongoloid" features; they are fully Caucasoid morphologically.

Nobody can say these Taiwanese aborigine with haplogroup O looks Mongoloid. East Asian Mongoloid features began being fully developed during the ice age and created the Chinese/Mongol look.

Not even close, there is not a single ice age fossil with a Chinese/Mongol look.

No they look typically proto-Mongoloid.

They do not have a single proto-Mongoloid feature.

Ancient Mongoloids before the ice age look like Ainu, some Taiwan aborigine tribes, Native Americans, it's after the ice age like 12,000-20,000+ years that most of them except the Hokkaido, island of Taiwan and the new world of America's preserved their proto-Mongoloid traits even if they share the same type of Y-DNA and mtDNA with East Asian/Siberian Mongoloids (or Asia Mongoloids ) who all evolved into the Neo-Mongoloid types.

The Ainu look nothing like Native Americans and there is no proto-Mongoloid feature to speak of.

" Genetic studies on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) restriction polymorphism confirmed that Turkmen were characterized by the presence of local Iranian mtDNA lineages, similar to the Eastern Iranian populations, but high male Mongoloid genetic component observed in Turkmens populations with the frequencies of about 20%.[20] This most likely indicates an ancestral combination of Turkic and Iranian groups that the modern Turkmen have inherited and which appears to correspond to the historical record which indicates that various Iranian tribes existed in the region prior to the migration of Turkic tribes: "

Bode, C.A. "The Yamud and Goklan tribes of Turkomania". Journal of the London Ethnological Society, vol. 1, 1848, pp. 60–78.

Another non-source, non-genetics major misquoting sources.

" The Russian administration liberated the slaves of the Kazakhs in 1859.[27] However, isolated abductions of Russians or Ukrainians by Kazakhs for the slave markets of Central Asia continued until the Tsars' conquest of Khiva and Bukhara in the 1860s.[28] At major markets in Bukhara, Samarkand, Karakul, Karshi and Charju, slaves consisted mainly of Iranians and Russians, and some Kalmuks; they were brought there by Turkmen, Kazakh and Kyrgyz.[29] A notorious slave market for captured Russian and Persian slaves was centered in the Khanate of Khiva from the 17th to the 19th century.[30] During the first half of the 19th century alone, some one million Persians, as well as an unknown number of Russians, were enslaved and transported to Central Asian khanates.[31][32] When Russian troops took Khiva in 1873 there were 29,300 Persian slaves, captured by Turkoman raiders.[citation needed] According of Josef Wolff (Report of 1843–1845) the population of the Khanate of Bukhara was 1,200,000, of whom 200,000 were Persian slaves.[33] "

This has nothing to do with the formation of Turks and R1a.

http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.LLVOmNwSCzlQlXXytkOlIwHaIQ

Haplogroup Q is 1000000% Mongoloid for sure.

Precisely, which means even the allehe for blonde hair, and even it's west Eurasian DNA cannot be attributed as haplogroup Q

Doesn't change the fact that there were West Eurasian blond-haired Q people on the steppes 13,000 years ago.

Because one, Haplogroup Q existed since 24,500 years ago

Not a single shred of evidence to back up this statement. When you find it and make sure that it's East Eurasian and not West Eurasian, let us know.

while you male is only 14,000 years ago, two your R1b mtDNA is the reason Afotova is predominately west Eurasian.

R1b is not a west eurasian haplogroup and you have no evidence of any of that.

Father Y-DNA Mongoloid haplogroup Q with mother Caucasoid mtDNA haplogroup R1b = son 50% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
Son marry another Caucasoid women = 75% Caucasoid/west Eurasian, their grandson son = 88% Caucasid/west Eurasian
Grandson marry Caucasoid women = their great grandson son 94% Caucasoid/west Eurasian.

If Haplogroup Q were Mongoloid, you wouldn't have Haplogroup Q Native Americans with Caucasoid features, despite being majority East Eurasian shifted due to their maternal lineages.

Time for you to own up to the reality, my defeated little haplocuck. Haplogroup Q is Caucasoid male.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:00 AM

Lol I like how you lose the debate.

There's no debate here really, it's quite unfair tbh, just me sitting around kicking a fat little micro-penised Asian boy as he refuses to accept the facts. For a moment, I almost felt as though I could sense a smidgen of guilt building up inside of me, until I realize it was a fart.

South Siberia is not Northeast Asia.

That is also not the origin of Turkic languages.

They would become the ancestors of the Turkic ethnicity.

No they would not.

Scythians had 9/10 R1a with only 1 haplogroup Q1a, nice try but one haplogroup Q doesn't prove it's Scythian. No one said F2a has to be in ancient Kyrgyr or Turks. The Kyrgyz having high R1a with significant percent of mtDNA F is evidence of that.

Nonsense. R1a and Q1a are the predominant haplogroups of Scythians. Kyrgyz do not have significant F2a.

Lol barely 50% of Kazakhs......

Still a very large percentage of them are West Eurasian mtDNA

Nothing near 18 million Kazakhs in this world, uh huh. alright.

Kazakhs: minority in "their" own country, minority among Turks.

They are so Mongoloid looking that that Chinese, Koreans are also beaten by neo-Nazis because of the rape crimes Kyrgyz commits against Russian women and other female Caucasoid ethnicity in Russia.

Russian Neo Nazi assaults are not a viable source in this "debate" (read: sadomasochistic slaughter)

0% there's more Indian Y-DNA originally but this depleted after the Mongol-Turkic massacred large percent of the Iranic. There was no South Asian women during the time of Mongol-Turkic invasion.

That never happened.

And yes there were Indian women at the time of the Mughal invasion.

Haplogroup C is Mongoloid is proven by the fact that Hazara have 65% Caucasoid/West Eurasian mtDNA with some South Asian and they are still slightly more Mongoloid than Caucasoid

Haplogroup C is Caucasoid as proven by the fact that the oldest haplogroup C is from Europe, in a West Eurasian shifted population, with Caucasoid features.

And in any population with haplogroup C-M217 there's always Mongoloid looking people followed with Mongoloid DNA.

Mongoloid East Eurasian autosomal DNA.

Lol saying all the descendants of Mongols in west Eurasian are predominately Caucasoid is the same shit with saying all the Anglo-Indians from India and from UK are predominately Indian. Or the same shit with the Sudanese Arabs being predominately Black.

No, it's the truth.

Can you explain to me why gygpsies are predominately west Eurasian ????? :)

Do you want me to read it to you as a bed-time story? :--)

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 05:03 AM

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 05:15 AM

What the fuck is "predominantly European"? Almost all the Scythians have East Eurasian admix. And their Y-DNA got nothing to do with that.

There are no facts here, only your authistic screeching. Q's origin is clear.

Exactly

" Ancient genome-wide analysis on samples from the southern Ural region, East Kazakhstan and Tuva, shows That Iron Age Scythians were a mix of Yamnaya people from the Russian Steppe and East Asian populations, similar to the Han and the Nganasan (Samoyedic people from northern Siberia). The East Asian admixture is pervasive across diverse present-day people from Siberia and Central Asia. "

Ngannasans have 87-92% haplogroup Q which is the highest in the world and are 100% Mongoloid genetically

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/rclil1.jpg

https://images.nature.com/lw926/nature-assets/ncomms/2017/170303/ncomms14615/images/ncomms14615-f7.jpg[/QUOTE]
They are basically a mix of EHG, CHG and East Eurasian.

Scythian_Pazyryk 1: 65% East Eurasian
Scythian_Pazyryk 2: 55% East Eurasian
Scythian_AldyBel 1: 30% East Eurasian
Scythian_AldyBel 2: 50% East Eurasian
Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 1: 25% East Eurasian
Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 2: 50% East Eurasian
Scythian_Samara: 12% East Eurasian
Sarmatian: 10% East Eurasian

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:17 AM

Hahaha.... HOW SADI love how you quoted your comment from Kingjohn, a forum member of Ethnicity:Ashkenazi/Sephardic. Yeah he is theapricity to and like to promote the fact that Q1a is Indo-European because he himself has Q1a

I never quoted Kingjohn you idiot, I quoted Maciamo, the founder of the website. He isn't Jewish.

Refute the fucking facts, not your assumptions about a man's ethnicity.

There's not even one piece of Y-DNA of Huns

What an imbecile, yes there is.

Also Scythians were described as tall, big bodied, handsome while Huns were described as short, ugly, small bodied, small hands, small feet. HOW CAN THE BE SAME ???

That is incorrect and the description you speak of is fantastical, from a biased source. Not legitimate.

ncient genome-wide analysis on samples from the southern Ural region, East Kazakhstan and Tuva, shows That Iron Age Scythians were a mix of Yamnaya people from the Russian Steppe and East Asian populations, similar to the Han and the Nganasan (Samoyedic people from northern Siberia). The East Asian admixture is pervasive across diverse present-day people from Siberia and Central Asia. "

Already addressed this garbage copypasta.

They were mixed , this is known by anyone with minimal knowledge about genetics, something that you apparently don't have. Read this paper and put it in your mind.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615
The Iron Age Scythians are arrayed along a cline from Yamnaya to Ami (a population of East Asian ancestry that experienced no admixture), consistent with having ancestry from populations genetically similar to these two groups.

Over-generalization.

Scythian_Pazyryk 1: 65% East Eurasian
Scythian_Pazyryk 2: 55% East Eurasian
Scythian_AldyBel 1: 30% East Eurasian
Scythian_AldyBel 2: 50% East Eurasian
Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 1: 25% East Eurasian
Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 2: 50% East Eurasian
Scythian_Samara: 12% East Eurasian
Sarmatian: 10% East Eurasian

Pazyryks don't represent Scythians, moron.

You just keep clutching from an escape, don't you. :lol:

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:22 AM

Exactly

Ngannasans have 87-92% haplogroup Q which is the highest in the world and are 100% Mongoloid genetically

n

Yet again you lie. Nganasan score West Eurasian admixture and their population is less than 1000 so they're highly bottlenecked, not an accurate picture. They also have some West Eurasian features.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 05:26 AM

There's no debate here really, it's quite unfair tbh, just me sitting around kicking a fat little micro-penised Asian boy as he refuses to accept the facts. For a moment, I almost felt as though I could sense a smidgen of guilt building up inside of me, until I realize it was a fart.

Lol Get your facts checked loser. The world largest penis in the world is a Indian man, and even the largest penis pornstar in U.K is a half Indian man.

South Asians are not the same as East Asian. In U.K Indians/Pakistani are Asians while Mongoloids are all refered to as Chinese.

That is also not the origin of Turkic languages.

Your own individual opinion

No they would not.
Your own individual opinion

Nonsense. R1a and Q1a are the predominant haplogroups of Scythians. Kyrgyz do not have significant F2a.

Your own individual opinion. Scythians have 9/10 R1a and only 1/10 Q1a. How can they both be predominant haplogroups ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_F_(mtDNA)

Kyrgyz shows 15% mtDNA F.

Nothing near 18 million Kazakhs in this world, uh huh. alright.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs

Kazakhs: minority in "their" own country, minority among Turks.

Minority in their own country ????????????????????

Russian Neo Nazi assaults are not a viable source in this "debate" (read: sadomasochistic slaughter)

No. The evidence is Kyrgyz are so Mongoloid physically to the Russians that they always get targeted. Many Chinese became victims of it aswell to sharing mostly physical similarities.
That's the point. Who care's if they not pure Mongoloid is the same crap with African Americans not being pure Negroids.

That never happened.

Your own opinion.

And yes there were Indian women at the time of the Mughal invasion.

Why are talking about Mughals ?

Haplogroup C is Caucasoid as proven by the fact that the oldest haplogroup C is from Europe, in a West Eurasian shifted population, with Caucasoid features.

There's no study showing haplogroup C-M217 is Caucasoid. Saying it's Caucasoid is like saying Australian aborigines haplogroup C and South Indian dalits with C is Caucasoid.
One individual does not prove it's Caucasoid. I can easily say all the haplogroup E in Europe are from Negroid

South Indians and Australian aborigines had haplogroup C before Caucasoid, heck even Mongoloids had before Caucasoid and your here digging some Caucasoid male with south Asian looks with a haplogroup C6 (THE YOUNGEST OF ALL )

Mongoloid East Eurasian autosomal DNA.

so?

No, it's the truth.

Do you want me to read it to you as a bed-time story? :--)

Boring

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 05:29 AM

There's no study showing haplogroup C-M217 is Caucasoid. Saying it's Caucasoid is like saying Australian aborigines haplogroup C and South Indian dalits with C is Caucasoid.
One individual does not prove it's Caucasoid. I can easily say all the haplogroup E in Europe are from Negroid

South Indians and Australian aborigines had haplogroup C before Caucasoid, heck even Mongoloids had before Caucasoid and your here digging some Caucasoid male with south Asian looks with a haplogroup C6 (THE YOUNGEST OF ALL )

so?

Boring

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Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:32 AM

Hahahahha🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Butlerking has found a fan in this morbidly obese third world toad, "Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin".

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 05:33 AM

Yet again you lie. Nganasan score West Eurasian admixture and their population is less than 1000 so they're highly bottlenecked, not an accurate picture. They also have some West Eurasian features.

There are many Ngannasans sub-groups. The once's who mixed recent Slavic Russians and other Uralic, Turkic ethnicities, but other remains pure. Also there was a smallpox outbreak which depleted their popiulation

Pure Ngannasans are here
http://www.circumarctic.com/image/data/Peoples/Nganasans/Nganasans-1.jpg
http://www.circumarctic.com/image/data/Artists/Chunanchar/Alexei-Chunanchar-7.jpg

Mixed Ngannasans

" In the 19th century, a member of the Dolgans, a Turkic people who lived east of the Nganasans, was also absorbed by the Nganasans, and his descendants formed an eponymous clan, which today, though linguistically fully Samoyedic, is still acknowledged as being Dolgan in origin.[15]

Dolgans have 25-31% west Eurasian/Caucasoid admixture

Your logic is funny even Kyrgyz R1a is bottleneck, so what's your point ??? I don't see any Q bottleneck in Europe or in Caucasoid countries.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 05:36 AM

Butlerking has found a fan in this morbidly obese third world toad, "Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin".Hahahahahahaha. Dumb ass. I am in no way obese. My genes dont even allow me to get obese unlike you. You monkey brain.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:42 AM

Lol Get your facts checked loser. The world largest penis in the world is a Indian man, and even the largest penis pornstar in U.K is a half Indian man.

Check your facts mate, Filipinos are the most powerful race in the world.

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South Asians are not the same as East Asian.

South Asian MTDNA often is.

Your own individual opinion. Scythians have 9/10 R1a and only 1/10 Q1a. How can they both be predominant haplogroups ?

You pulled that one out of your ass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_F_(mtDNA)

Kyrgyz shows 15% mtDNA F.

Not f2a.

]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs

Minority in their own country ????????????????????

Yes, the DNA studies you quoted for Kazakhs were for Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, which is barely half Kazakh.

No. The evidence is Kyrgyz are so Mongoloid physically to the Russians that they always get targeted. Many Chinese became victims of it aswell to sharing mostly physical similarities.
That's the point. Who care's if they not pure Mongoloid is the same crap with African Americans not being pure Negroids.

That is not even remotely evidence.

There's no study showing haplogroup C-M217 is Caucasoid. Saying it's Caucasoid is like saying Australian aborigines haplogroup C and South Indian dalits with C is Caucasoid.
One individual does not prove it's Caucasoid. I can easily say all the haplogroup E in Europe are from Negroid

Multiple studies showing C in West Eurasian Caucasoid fossils. Aboriginal Australians are sometimes classified as Caucasoid because they share some features with Caucasoids and they were Caucasoid before they got admixed with Denisovans.

South Indians and Australian aborigines had haplogroup C before Caucasoid, heck even Mongoloids had before Caucasoid and your here digging some Caucasoid male with south Asian looks with a haplogroup C6 (THE YOUNGEST OF ALL )

Hahahahahaha, there is no evidence of a south asian or an australian aboriginal with haplogroup C older than the haplogroup C remains from the western Russian paleolithic period.

What a wimp.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:44 AM

Hahahahahahaha. Dumb ass. I am in no way obese. My genes dont even allow me to get obese unlike you. You monkey brain.

Why are you speaking in full stops? Did you send this post via telegraph or are you really that much of a mentally degraded third world fucktard?

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 05:49 AM

I never quoted Kingjohn you idiot, I quoted Maciamo, the founder of the website. He isn't Jewish.

Refute the fucking facts, not your assumptions about a man's ethnicity.

Is that so ? I though you copied the comment from Anthropogenetic.

Well it's funny because he was the one quoted haplogroup Q is Mongoloid that means he wasn't talking about Scythians haplogroup Q being Indo-European simply not being Xiongnu/Mongol descent but from the Altay/Mongoloid region who has large percent of haplogroup Q. Also for your info he is the one who also agree Scythians are Mongoloid-Europpids.

He even makes it clear haplogroup Q is Mongoloid and data info had been edited for 8 years already.

Here is research on Haplogroup Q

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36102-137-ancient-human-genomes-from-across-the-Eurasian-steppes

" the presence of Northeast Asian admixture can only be explained by the 2% of Q1b1 among Levantine men, the only paternal lineage of Mongoloid origin in the region. "

REFUTE THAT FACT

That is incorrect and the description you speak of is fantastical, from a biased source. Not legitimate.

Your own opinion

Already addressed this garbage copypasta.

Over-generalization.

Pazyryks don't represent Scythians, moron.

You just keep clutching from an escape, don't you. :lol:

Your own opinion again. You don't have any counter-arguements

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 05:53 AM

Why are you speaking in full stops? Did you send this post via telegraph or are you really that much of a mentally degraded third world fucktard?Im not a third worlder. But unlike you, your people are cucks.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 05:58 AM

Im not a third worlder. But unlike you, your people are cucks.

The third world robot makes another nonsensical statement.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:03 AM

Is that so ? I though you copied the comment from Anthropogenetic.

Well it's funny because he was the one quoted haplogroup Q is Mongoloid that means he wasn't talking about Scythians haplogroup Q being Indo-European simply not being Xiongnu/Mongol descent but from the Altay/Mongoloid region who has large percent of haplogroup Q. Also for your info he is the one who also agree Scythians are Mongoloid-Europpids.

No he doesn't you sputtering third world dickwad. Haplogroup Q isn't Mongoloid and his own website notes that it spread throughout Eurasia by Indo-European invasions. By Caucasoid males.

He even makes it clear haplogroup Q is Mongoloid and data info had been edited for 8 years already.

Nope.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36102-137-ancient-human-genomes-from-across-the-Eurasian-steppes

" the presence of Northeast Asian admixture can only be explained by the 2% of Q1b1 among Levantine men, the only paternal lineage of Mongoloid origin in the region. "

REFUTE THAT FACT

There is nothing in that link that says that.

You are finished here.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:05 AM

Check your facts mate, Filipinos are the most powerful race in the world.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OL4s_8I6YaM/VUali-dl95I/AAAAAAAAiMU/D5n_v5RWi5E7X7ik5Bj9EQ0DABbQDt2IQCPcB/s1600/11026582_828835723872221_3139606192295712210_n.png

What the heck ?????

South Asian MTDNA often is.

South Asian mtDNA in Iranic population had been western Eurasian Iranized.

You pulled that one out of your ass.

Right, if my pulled it out my ass than you should be grateful I mentioned only one haplogroup Q ( I Just remember one Q ). Scythians were found with R1a, G, J but not Q in almost every study except. There's no Q in Scythian, Sakas, Alans

" Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. However, this comparison was made on the basis of STRs. Since the 2009 study by Keyser et al, population and geographic specific SNPs have been discovered which can accurately distinguish between "European" R1a (M458, Z280) and "South Asian" R1a (Z93)[134] Re-analyzing ancient Scytho-Siberian samples for these more specific subclades will further elucidate if the Eurasian steppe populations have an ultimate Eastern European or EurAsian origin, or perhaps, both. This, in turn, might also depend on which population is studied, i.e. Herodotus' European "classical' Scythians, the Central Asian Sakae or un-named nomadic groups in the far east (Altai region) who also bore a 'Scythian" cultural tradition. "

In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 10 Alanic burials on the Don River, DNA could be abstracted from a total of 7. 4 of them turned out as belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 of them had mtDNA I.[135]

" In 2015 the Institute of Archaeology in Moscow conducted researches on various Sarmatian-Alan and Saltovo-Mayaki culture Kurgan burials. In these analyses, the two Alan samples from 4th to 6th century AD turned out with yDNAs G2a-P15 and R1a-z94, while from the three Sarmatian samples from 2nd to 3rd century AD two turned out both with yDNA J1-M267 and one with R1a.[136] And the three Saltovo-Mayaki samples from 8th to 9th century AD turned out with yDNAs G, J2a-M410 and R1a-z94 respectively.[137] " "

Not f2a.

Now how would you know that ?

Yes, the DNA studies you quoted for Kazakhs were for Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, which is barely half Kazakh.

What you talking about ? Kazakhs from Kazakhstan is 13 million.

That is not even remotely evidence.

Your own opinion.

Multiple studies showing C in West Eurasian Caucasoid fossils. Aboriginal Australians are sometimes classified as Caucasoid because they share some features with Caucasoids and they were Caucasoid before they got admixed with Denisovans.

Not no single study shows C is west Eurasian. Australian aborigines are classified as proto-Australoids
Pretty good bullshit talking. Denisovans do not even look like humans and you think that's Caucasoid ???? hahahahaha.

No amount dumb bullcrap talk from you will make sense. Here is study of a put Australian aborigine skull. A Australian aborigine banging a white women is pretty much the same as African American man doing that

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Workii_tribe_of_Gilbert_River_Australoid.png

Hahahahahaha, there is no evidence of a south asian or an australian aboriginal with haplogroup C older than the haplogroup C remains from the western Russian paleolithic period.

What a wimp.

Haplogroup C
Possible time of origin 53,000 years BP [1]
Possible place of origin South Asia

You do know your so called fake Aryan invasion only existed several thousand years ago so there's no way haplogroup C comes from west Eurasians.
There's no racial link between South Asians C, Australian aborigines C, Mongoloids C , One individual European (with a South Asian look ) C

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:09 AM

No he doesn't you sputtering third world dickwad. Haplogroup Q isn't Mongoloid and his own website notes that it spread throughout Eurasia by Indo-European invasions. By Caucasoid males.

Or maybe because mis-interpreted everything what others says.

Read what the bottom part says again

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

"the presence of Northeast Asian admixture can only be explained by the 2% of Q1b1 among Levantine men, the only paternal lineage of Mongoloid origin in the region. "

Nope.

Lol You have no counter-arguement.

There is nothing in that link that says that.

You are finished here.

Link here --------------------> https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Right at the bottom

I understand it's difficult for you to admit because you're in a very indenial state right now.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:11 AM

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Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:12 AM

There are many Ngannasans sub-groups. The once's who mixed recent Slavic Russians and other Uralic, Turkic ethnicities, but other remains pure. Also there was a smallpox outbreak which depleted their popiulation

It was always very, very small.

" In the 19th century, a member of the Dolgans, a Turkic people who lived east of the Nganasans, was also absorbed by the Nganasans, and his descendants formed an eponymous clan, which today, though linguistically fully Samoyedic, is still acknowledged as being Dolgan in origin.[15]

Dolgans have 25-31% west Eurasian/Caucasoid admixture

Your logic is funny even Kyrgyz R1a is bottleneck, so what's your point ??? I don't see any Q bottleneck in Europe or in Caucasoid countries.

Kyrgyz were never reduced to 1000 people isolated in the middle of nowhere, all kinds of inbreeding going on. The Nganasasns you posted aren't pure and you don't get to pick what is pure and what isn't to suit your agenda.

Reason you don't see Q bottlenecks in Europe is because Q generally hasn't really been a prominent haplogroup anywhere but especially not in West Eurasia. Q seems to be a picky eater and only wants to live in isolated, remote places with northeast Eurasian women.

But that doesn't change the fact that Q1a in the steppe and north Asia was spread by populations that were West Eurasian and had not Mongoloid features.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:14 AM

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q

Most early and basal clades seem south asian related. Could be mongoloid / south asian origin

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:14 AM

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Native American Q is mostly Q3 and many have Caucasoid features.

Q on the steppes is primarily Q1a, and got around by the spread of Indo European languages, was already West Eurasian not East Eurasian shifted by 14,000 years ago.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:20 AM

It was always very, very small.

Your own personal opinion again

Kyrgyz were never reduced to 1000 people isolated in the middle of nowhere, all kinds of inbreeding going on. The Nganasasns you posted aren't pure and you don't get to pick what is pure and what isn't to suit your agenda.

Reason you don't see Q bottlenecks in Europe is because Q generally hasn't really been a prominent haplogroup anywhere but especially not in West Eurasia. Q seems to be a picky eater and only wants to live in isolated, remote places with northeast Eurasian women.

But that doesn't change the fact that Q1a in the steppe and north Asia was spread by populations that were West Eurasian and had not Mongoloid features.

All your own personal opinion again.

Not a single prove Q1a is west Eurasian.

The ancestor of haplogroup Q is K-M526 and it spread from Southeast Asia than to Northern China than to Siberia, than to Central Asia and finally to Europe, Middle east.

Q-M242 is believed to have arisen around the Altai Mountains area (or South Central Siberia),[2] approximately 17,000[2] to 31,700 years ago.[3] However, the matter remains unclear due to limited sample sizes and changing definitions of Haplogroup Q: early definitions used a combination of the SNPs M242, P36.2, and MEH2 as defining mutations.
Karafet et al. (2014), stated: "rapid diversification process of K-M526 likely occurred in Southeast Asia, with subsequent westward expansions of the ancestors of haplogroups R and Q."[6]

"Q-M242 is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among Native Americans and several peoples of Central Asia and Northern Siberia. It is also the predominant Y-DNA of the Akha tribe in northern Thailand and the Dayak people of Indonesia. "

The Akha tribe are pure Mongoloid and Dayak people of Indonesia are almost pure Mongoloid and any west Eurasian admixture they have is from south Asians.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:23 AM

Or maybe because mis-interpreted everything what others says.

Read what the bottom part says again

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

"the presence of Northeast Asian admixture can only be explained by the 2% of Q1b1 among Levantine men, the only paternal lineage of Mongoloid origin in the region. "

Okay, next time post the appropriate link. And the obvious answer to this is that it is outdated and that we now have Afontova Gora proving that Q isn't Mongoloid and that the 2% Mongoloid admixture has nothing to do with Q1b or Q1a (the haplogroup in question here), and that Q was present at Andronovo-Sintashta and among Scythians.

Lol You have no counter-arguement.

Lol @ this dummy projecting. Look, if you don't have an argument, just shut up.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:25 AM

Native American Q is mostly Q3 and many have Caucasoid features.

Q on the steppes is primarily Q1a, and got around by the spread of Indo European languages, was already West Eurasian not East Eurasian shifted by 14,000 years ago.

They are not Caucasoid. Saying they are Caucasoid because of their proto-Mongoloid traits (which look pseudo-Caucasoid )

is like saying Taiwan aborigines ( some of the tribes ) are a Caucasoid population being ruled by a Chinese Mongoloid race

" Hisao Baba and Shuichiro Narasaki of the Department of Anthropology at the National Science Museum, in Tokyo, Japan, said that it is broadly accepted that Zhoukoudian Upper Cave Man and maybe Liujian Man were "so-called proto-Mongoloids" who did not have a completely developed Mongoloid complex.[98] " <----- meaning not the Chinese/Mongol/Korean/Japanese with extreme east Asian Mongoloid features that can be described as ching chong looking

http://i67.tinypic.com/2ed823a.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2r3uue0.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/xzlaq.png
http://i67.tinypic.com/j80cbo.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ROqRoHtn8uc/maxresdefault.jpg

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:27 AM

Native American Q is mostly Q3 and many have Caucasoid features.

Q on the steppes is primarily Q1a, and got around by the spread of Indo European languages, was already West Eurasian not East Eurasian shifted by 14,000 years ago.Their genes are hardly west eurasian related. They have more east eurasian genes than west eurasian. In fact they are about 60 percent east eurasian and the rest is mostly ancestral north eurasian.

As some one who is part native american. I Know.

Haplogroup q seems like a south asian origin as most early q clades seem south asian. Like bangladesh pakistan india ect

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:31 AM

Okay, next time post the appropriate link. And the obvious answer to this is that it is outdated and that we now have Afontova Gora proving that Q isn't Mongoloid and that the 2% Mongoloid admixture has nothing to do with Q1b or Q1a (the haplogroup in question here), and that Q was present at Andronovo-Sintashta and among Scythians.

Lol if it was outdated they would edit it dummy

Y-DNA haplogroup, Q1a1 time estimation 5,000 - 7,000 years ago <----- Lol 7000 years ago max
The remains are dated to around 17,000 BP[11] (16,930-16,490 BP[12]). <---- 14,000 years ago
Haplogroup Q-M242 ( the origin of all haplogroup ) 17,200 to 31,700 years ago [1][2][3] <_------ (approximately 24,500 years BP) ago

A VERY HUGE GAP OF TIME.

Also bear in mind Afotova Gora is Mongoloid

Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources, Issues 1-3
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=qEcsAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71cWxbId6_Moo1x_VWo1jT6ZMb44C7EcHV4bHbW 9yw8yv7Sl_p7fzhexsg0Zns4fr-BPOZFoCDUWqgbpXzF2n9GwPR26z5KW2NnCMxu_ucil_OJkqo

" have suggested that the Afontova Gora people, if not all Upper Paleolithic Siberians, were Mongoloids (Alexeev 1998) "
" by the finding of a child's skull with clearly defined Mongoloid characteristics in the Upper Paleolithic site of Afontova Gora II "
" Paleoanthropologists who have studied these remains consider them to bear "Mongoloid" characteristics"

Lol @ this dummy projecting. Look, if you don't have an argument, just shut up.

Whatever, you been proven wrong

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:31 AM

Your own personal opinion again

Nope, it's an actual fact. Just like all the other inhabitants at that latitude, Nganasans always had a small population. Very, very small.

Not a single prove Q1a is west Eurasian.

Absolute proof given multiple times, violently ignored by a thrashing baby.

The ancestor of haplogroup Q is K-M526 and it spread from Southeast Asia than to Northern China

Not a single physical proof of this, conjecture.

to Siberia, than to Central Asia and finally to Europe, Middle east.

Was European shifted the entire way.

Q-M242 is believed to have arisen around the Altai Mountains area (or South Central Siberia),[2] approximately 17,000[2] to 31,700 years ago.[3] However, the matter remains unclear due to limited sample sizes

As well as a non-existent fossil evidence.

"Q-M242 is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among Native Americans and several peoples of Central Asia and Northern Siberia. It is also the predominant Y-DNA of the Akha tribe in northern Thailand and the Dayak people of Indonesia. "

And they are different clades, most not Q1a.

The Akha tribe are pure Mongoloid and Dayak people of Indonesia are almost pure Mongoloid and any west Eurasian admixture they have is from south Asians.

Not pure Mongoloid, but look Mongoloid because autosomally East Eurasian shifted.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:37 AM

Their genes are hardly west eurasian related. They have more east eurasian genes than west eurasian. In fact they are about 60 percent east eurasian and the rest is mostly ancestral north eurasian.

As some one who is part native american. I Know.

Haplogroup q seems like a south asian origin as most early q clades seem south asian. Like bangladesh pakistan india ect

Just keep on blathering while being an illiterate subhuman. Afontova Gora is closer to Europeans than to West Eurasians.

I'm sure your Mestizo heritage enabled you to decipher the facts without even reading or knowing about them.

"First, sampling of Siberian individuals from ∼24–17 ka from the Lake Baikal region (i.e., Mal’ta 1 and Afontova Gora 3) showed that they share a stronger connection to Europeans than to Asians

Source:

https://www.cell.com/trends/genetics/fulltext/S0168-9525(17)30210-X?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com% 2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS016895251730210X%3Fshowall%3Dt rue&code=cell-site

Native Americans are autosomally majority East Eurasian which is why they have Mongoloid features, but they are also part EHG which is why they have some Caucasoid features.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:38 AM

And they are different clades, most not Q1a.

Not pure Mongoloid, but look Mongoloid because autosomally East Eurasian shifted.

They should east eurasian shifted. They are east asians.

But haplogroup q is much more extremely rare in europe. Almost non existant with just a few light pockets. Probably descendants mongoloid hunnic ancestors.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:40 AM

Just keep on blathering while being an illiterate subhuman. Afontova Gora is closer to Europeans than to West Eurasians.

I'm sure your Mestizo heritage enabled you to decipher the facts without even reading or knowing about them.

Source:

https://www.cell.com/trends/genetics/fulltext/S0168-9525(17)30210-X?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com% 2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS016895251730210X%3Fshowall%3Dt rue&code=cell-site

Native Americans are autosomally majority East Eurasian which is why they have Mongoloid features, but they are also part EHG which is why they have some Caucasoid features.

Idiot i literally can test it with my parents dna and kennewick man. They are not west eurasian. You are just a dumbfuck eurotard who wishes he was part of the mongoloid heritage and history. Go watch your hentai porn weebo eurotard

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:40 AM

Nope, it's an actual fact. Just like all the other inhabitants at that latitude, Nganasans always had a small population. Very, very small.

Actually Ngannasans were haplogroup N

It's Kets who have 92% haplogroup Q with 52% Caucasoid mtDNA. The Kets people are only 1,600 and many have Russian ancestry from maternal side, they are Kets-Russian mix.

http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Anthropogenesis-VajdaKetDNA.jpg

The Mongoloid Kets
https://hague6185.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/800px-35-keti.jpg
http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/Origins-of-the-Ket-People-of-Siberia.jpg

Kets-Russian mix

http://sdld.narod.ru/img/gallery/Picture22.jpg

Absolute proof given multiple times, violently ignored by a thrashing baby.

Not a single physical proof of this, conjecture.

Was European shifted the entire way.

As well as a non-existent fossil evidence.

And they are different clades, most not Q1a.

Not pure Mongoloid, but look Mongoloid because autosomally East Eurasian shifted.

Again no effective counter-argument.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:42 AM

not Caucasoid. Saying they are Caucasoid because of their proto-Mongoloid traits (which look pseudo-Caucasoid )

The Native American I posted does not have a single "proto-Mongoloid" feature, he passes for fully European but with a darker than average skin coloration.

Lol if it was outdated they would edit it dummy

"They" it's one man's website and he can't spend all his time online because he doesn't collect welfare like you do.

Y-DNA haplogroup, Q1a1 time estimation 5,000 - 7,000 years ago <----- Lol 7000 years ago max
The remains are dated to around 17,000 BP[11] (16,930-16,490 BP[12]). <---- 14,000 years ago
Haplogroup Q-M242 ( the origin of all haplogroup ) 17,200 to 31,700 years ago [1][2][3] <_------ (approximately 24,500 years BP) ago

Not a single physical proof for any of this. The Afontova Gora sample is proof Q1a existed 14000 years ago.

All you are doing here is proving that these stupid "estimates" are just that -- estimates not based in physical proof and often wrong.

Also bear in mind Afotova Gora is Mongoloid

It is not the least bit Mongoloid no matter how many times you copy and paste your retarded Soviet-educated hogwash.

The genetic results, and also Zubova's analysis, prove they were not Mongoloid.

Whatever, you been proven wrong

No matter how many times you say this, it won't make it true. :lol:

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:44 AM

People in the first picture aren't Kets and they derive their look from their Caucasoid Q side, not from any maternal "European" admixture. They aren't Russian admixed.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:45 AM

People in the first picture aren't Kets and they derive their look from their Caucasoid Q side, not from any maternal "European" admixture. They aren't Russian admixed.sonny chiba is caucasian to you

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:47 AM

Idiot i literally can test it with my parents dna and kennewick man. They are not west eurasian. You are just a dumbfuck eurotard who wishes he was part of the mongoloid heritage and history. Go watch your hentai porn weebo eurotard

Well okay bobblehead you can believe whatever you want as long as you remember this very important quote:

First, sampling of Siberian individuals from ∼24–17 ka from the Lake Baikal region (i.e., Mal’ta 1 and Afontova Gora 3) showed that they share a stronger connection to Europeans than to Asians

Native Americans = EHG + East Eurasian females.

Have a little more pride in your Caucasoid DNA.

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:52 AM

Just keep on blathering while being an illiterate subhuman. Afontova Gora is closer to Europeans than to West Eurasians.

I'm sure your Mestizo heritage enabled you to decipher the facts without even reading or knowing about them.

Source:

https://www.cell.com/trends/genetics/fulltext/S0168-9525(17)30210-X?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com% 2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS016895251730210X%3Fshowall%3Dt rue&code=cell-site

Native Americans are autosomally majority East Eurasian which is why they have Mongoloid features, but they are also part EHG which is why they have some Caucasoid features.

That doesn't mean anything.

Is the same with Ainu and some Taiwan aborigines showing Caucasoid features even though their DNA is 100% Asian, even their teeths are mongoloid.

While for Ma'lta and Afontova apart from the fact they were described as Mongoloid features they also have Mongoloid admixture to a predominately Mongoloid and minority degree

The blue here is Mongoloid East Eurasian, East Asian/Siberian. Malta is 1/3 blue related with Mongoloid (or Amerindians )

One afontova sample is 80% East Eurasian Mongoloid and the other is 15%

http://i67.tinypic.com/s2yutx.jpg

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 06:54 AM

Well okay bobblehead you can believe whatever you want as long as you remember this very important quote:

Native Americans = EHG + East Eurasian females.

Have a little more pride in your Caucasoid DNA.

Wishful thinking........

even before their migration to Americas they were already mixed.

Native Americans halogroup Q is Mongoloid

The west Eurasian markers in native Americans are Y-DNA R1b and mtDNA X2.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 06:56 AM

Wrong again malta boy is half ane. And only 33 percent west eurasian euro genes ane k7. And on gedroasia hes 94 percent ane. Malta boy is mostly ane. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/c8b2f255d8388a1c28463499dc979a08.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/9f98e343758854c9fa576d4eed96d67f.jpg

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 06:57 AM

That doesn't mean anything.

...It means Q is West Eurasian and spread throughout Eurasia by West Eurasian males, Q1a, not related to East Asians 14,000 years ago.

Afontova Gora: Q1a1, Caucasoid, European.

Is the same with Ainu and some Taiwan aborigines showing Caucasoid features even though their DNA is 100% Asian, even their teeths are mongoloid.

Their DNA isn't 100% Asian, especially not Y-DNA of Ainu. Ainu are Y-DNA D which is related to E, which is found among Caucasoid-like Subsaharan Africans.

Ainu don't have Mongoloid teeth, either.

While for Ma'lta and Afontova apart from the fact they were described as Mongoloid features they also have Mongoloid admixture to a predominately Mongoloid and minority degree

They were not described as Mongoloid by anyone except some incompetent Soviet scientists, over 70 years ago, who are famous for retracting their old work. You post regurgitated examples of this from the 1990s, but by the 21st century everyone knows that their remains, the few which are not so fragmentary and deformed as to be sampled, are not Mongoloid at all.

And most importantly, they are genetically European not East Asian

One afontova sample is 80% East Eurasian Mongoloid and the other is 15%

Trash, they are not even 20% East Eurasian you buffoon.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 07:00 AM

Wrong again malta boy is half ane. And only 33 percent west eurasian euro genes ane k7. And on gedroasia hes 94 percent ane. Malta boy is mostly ane. https://uploadsf.jpg

ANE is a make-believe population that is EHG. As I showed you, in the latest paper from Qiaomei Fu on Afontova Gora and Malta Buret, they are closer to Europeans than to East Asians, just like Qiaomei Fu's earlier, more famous paper states clearly.

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 07:01 AM

ANE is a make-believe population that is EHG. As I showed you, in the latest paper from Qiaomei Fu on Afontova Gora and Malta Buret, they are closer to Europeans than to East Asians, just like Qiaomei Fu's earlier, more famous paper states clearly.

Are not west eurasian or east asian. in the model they are considered divergent. But later europeans get mixed with them.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 07:02 AM

Wishful thinking........

even before their migration to Americas they were already mixed.

Native Americans halogroup Q is Mongoloid

The west Eurasian markers in native Americans are Y-DNA R1b and mtDNA X2.

Projecting...

Haplogroup Q is Caucasoid and MTDNA X2 is a clade that may not be Caucasoid.

Hub Cap

06-18-2018, 07:05 AM

Are not west eurasian or east asian. in the model they are considered divergent. But later europeans get mixed with them.

They aren't divergent at all they are a mixture of ancient Caucasoid European and Mongoloid. The Afontova Gora 3 is European shifted not east Asian and therefore not Mongoloid, and with an MTDNA haplgoroup (R1b) that is not typical of European aboriginals. nor even modern Europeans. Haplogroup Q is Caucasoid as fuck, some Native Americans look more Caucasoid than actual West Eurasians.

This is not a "proto-Mongoloid" it is a Caucasoid.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f3/ba/ec/f3baec45f841ae25213cbf28445c7336.jpg

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 07:08 AM

...It means Q is West Eurasian and spread throughout Eurasia by West Eurasian males, Q1a, not related to East Asians 14,000 years ago.

Afontova Gora: Q1a1, Caucasoid, European.

No haplogroup Q ancestors came from Southast Asia. And only Mongoloids have haplogroup Q and every population of mix race origin like Iranian Turkmen, Kets, Selkups who have predominate haplogroup Q always have predominate Caucasoid mtDNA and are still predominant Mongoloid.

Their DNA isn't 100% Asian, especially not Y-DNA of Ainu. Ainu are Y-DNA D which is related to E, which is found among Caucasoid-like Subsaharan Africans.

Ainu don't have Mongoloid teeth, either.

Haplogroup D shows 100% East Eurasian genetics, not even 0.1% of west Eurasian DNA exist. Ainu belong to the Sundadont Mongoloid teeth pattern which is typical of southern Mongoloids.

I can easily haplogroup E in southern Europe originated from Negroids since it's 90-100% in Sub-Saharan Bantu

They were not described as Mongoloid by anyone except some incompetent Soviet scientists, over 70 years ago, who are famous for retracting their old work. You post regurgitated examples of this from the 1990s, but by the 21st century everyone knows that their remains, the few which are not so fragmentary and deformed as to be sampled, are not Mongoloid at all.

And most importantly, they are genetically European not East Asian

No that is your own indenial feeling. They are genetically partially Mongoloid aswell.

Trash, they are not even 20% East Eurasian you buffoon.

Well buffoon, they are far from being pure west Eurasian. Both native Americans and Europeans have Mal'ta-like admixture, European not linked more than that. Mal'ta boy was really far from both natives and Europeans genetically.

http://i67.tinypic.com/s2yutx.jpg

He definitely wouldn't looked like your average European or Mongoloid. Just like the first Europeans looked awkward as heck and looked nothing like a modern west eurasians

For your info these two are genetically west Eurasian but put next to a modern West Eurasian women and every American would say it's the Niggers with white women.

100% West Eurasians who look like predominant Negroids in facial features

https://d1o50x50snmhul.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/07103012/cheddar_man_for_web-800x533.jpg
https://archive.is/P7d9c/830c72d5a110bd15d3cd2cbadc95bd9add5c2aac.jpg

ButlerKing

06-18-2018, 07:12 AM

They aren't divergent at all they are a mixture of ancient Caucasoid European and Mongoloid. The Afontova Gora 3 is European shifted not east Asian and therefore not Mongoloid, and with an MTDNA haplgoroup (R1b) that is not typical of European aboriginals. nor even modern Europeans. Haplogroup Q is Caucasoid as fuck, some Native Americans look more Caucasoid than actual West Eurasians.

This is not a "proto-Mongoloid" it is a Caucasoid.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f3/ba/ec/f3baec45f841ae25213cbf28445c7336.jpg

Unless you have facts to prove it up otherwise it's your own superficial as fuck opinion.

I could easily say they look like that due to R1b or they already have R1b ( don't know if R1b is indegenious or European colonist )

Or hell one say they look like that maybe due to from mtDNA X aswell ( west Eurasian in Natives ) which is 3% to 25% in Native Americans depending on the tribe. Who's to say your Native American Caucasoid faces isn't from that ????? How do you know if it's a R1b man, a Native American with recent colonial ancestry or maybe he is indeed a male with mtDNA X ????

Haplogroup X is found in approximately 7% of native Europeans,[3] and 3% of all Native Americans from North America.[4] But it can range from 3% to 25% so even on the mtDNA side of Native Americans is significant enough let alone R1b. No evidence is due to haplogroup Q.

" Although it occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas, it is a bigger haplogroup in northern North America, where among the Algonquian peoples it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA X types.[13][14] It is also present in lesser percentages to the west and south of this area—among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-chah-nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[15]"

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 07:12 AM

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 07:33 AM

They look nothing like west eurasian.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/c3d8f010898052b19aa778a5757f5aff.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/ed85c847a530e83d5f5231d2a171bc39.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/af75d5d4f0c7c4fc25cb9c42a4a7e5c6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/ef31a118ab67a422647c4ad222cd5334.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/f706b70be3131bd05920a552ec63ce6d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/310e45657eae5c2915164896ba5bf8b8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/60a82dee8ae17f47675a6fae74420d1e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/99c26fa998780635be8541cf21f152a6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/b20aa317f51079c71e599587386d6551.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/d1c2db5cc2f9181604417cfc1cb0cfde.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/5040744d6cc1aa9fee2aa5fd9b166415.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/c76015a3bc81cf7fbefaf0570f8a9d7d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/0f67ce1bc0984ac8f7ddc91e225ff38c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/e0dba26026618da082430a6ae1664a67.jpg

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-18-2018, 07:37 AM

Unless you have facts to prove it up otherwise it's your own superficial as fuck opinion.

I could easily say they look like that due to R1b or they already have R1b ( don't know if R1b is indegenious or European colonist )

Or hell one say they look like that maybe due to from mtDNA X aswell ( west Eurasian in Natives ) which is 3% to 25% in Native Americans depending on the tribe. Who's to say your Native American Caucasoid faces isn't from that ????? How do you know if it's a R1b man, a Native American with recent colonial ancestry or maybe he is indeed a male with mtDNA X ????

Haplogroup X is found in approximately 7% of native Europeans,[3] and 3% of all Native Americans from North America.[4] But it can range from 3% to 25% so even on the mtDNA side of Native Americans is significant enough let alone R1b. No evidence is due to haplogroup Q.

" Although it occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas, it is a bigger haplogroup in northern North America, where among the Algonquian peoples it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA X types.[13][14] It is also present in lesser percentages to the west and south of this area—among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-chah-nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[15]"Kenewick man is tested already and shown that his dna is related to east siberian people. His dna is about 60 percent east eurasian and most of the rest is ane like I stated and he is x2.
Kennewick man was also found in california. Not north eastern United states and is about 9k years ago
Edit he was found in washington.

Yaglakar

06-18-2018, 08:43 AM

ButlerKing

06-19-2018, 10:15 AM

Kenewick man is tested already and shown that his dna is related to east siberian people. His dna is about 60 percent east eurasian and most of the rest is ane like I stated and he is x2.
Kennewick man was also found in california. Not north eastern United states and is about 9k years ago
Edit he was found in washington.

The same study confirmed the mitochondrial haplogroup X2a and the Y-chromosome haplogroup Q-M3 of Kennewick Man, both lineages are found almost exclusively among modern Native Americans.[50]

ButlerKing

06-19-2018, 10:24 AM

Projecting...

Haplogroup Q is Caucasoid and MTDNA X2 is a clade that may not be Caucasoid.

"Sub-group X2 appears to have undergone extensive population expansion and dispersal around or soon after the Last Glacial Maximum, about 21,000 years ago. It is more strongly present in the Near East, the Caucasus, and Southern Europe and somewhat less strongly present in the rest of Europe. Particular concentrations appear in Georgia (8%), Orkney (in Scotland) (7%), and amongst the Israeli Druze community (27%). Subclades X2a and X2g are found in North America, but are not present in native South Americans.[6] "

Fossils excavated at the Late Neolithic site of Kelif el Boroud (Kehf el Baroud) in Morocco, which have been dated to around 3,000 BCE, have also been observed to carry the X2 subclade.[8] Iberia Chalcolithic (X2b, La Chabola de la Hechicera, 1/3 or 33%; X2b, El Sotillo, 1/3 or 33%; X2b, El Mirador Cave, 1/12 or ~8%) cultures.[9]

You are wrong in freaking everything like always.
Haplogroup Q is 100% Mongoloid.

Yreka

06-21-2018, 01:42 AM

And where are Scythians and Sarmatians? :rolleyes: Right, they have been vanquished and annihilated by Xiongnu/Hunnu. Moon over the sun, silver over gold, hail proto-Turks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vHy393XeKg

xiongnu/hun primary yDNA haplogroups in central asia are R1a1 and Q1a1, so scythians and aryans are their daddies.

also, change your y-dna haplogroup. genghis khan didn't belong to any c clade. that was an R1 man.

Yreka

06-21-2018, 02:06 AM

They look nothing like west eurasian

you post mainly women and children. it's the men who look west eurasian shifted.

http://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gif

you little piglet even had the audacity to say that the caucasoid looking natives are "fake indians" and mixed. they were real chiefs in real tribes with a very real history with the US government. here's some sioux born in the mid-early 1800s.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/02/3f/c3023f08d018814f479ac1b67770849f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/39/14/72391484af9327366ded105be1f519d7.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/fb/f0/30fbf07a5b4e07d85d085f70330618d5.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t2diDcpkpXk/VMrjCcbS2rI/AAAAAAAAFow/_eT2_SOzvGU/s1600/Short%2BBull.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/b3/82/afb38229555499a9c0f2f6d856d5a444.jpg

https://gm-piction-live.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/primary_asset/s3/assets/4326.4667_recto_PRIMARY_o6.jpg?itok=G_pkL7Pm

ButlerKing

06-21-2018, 07:48 AM

you post mainly women and children. it's the men who look west eurasian shifted.

http://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gif

you little piglet even had the audacity to say that the caucasoid looking natives are "fake indians" and mixed. they were real chiefs in real tribes with a very real history with the US government. here's some sioux born in the mid-early 1800s.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/02/3f/c3023f08d018814f479ac1b67770849f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/39/14/72391484af9327366ded105be1f519d7.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/fb/f0/30fbf07a5b4e07d85d085f70330618d5.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t2diDcpkpXk/VMrjCcbS2rI/AAAAAAAAFow/_eT2_SOzvGU/s1600/Short%2BBull.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/b3/82/afb38229555499a9c0f2f6d856d5a444.jpg

https://gm-piction-live.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/primary_asset/s3/assets/4326.4667_recto_PRIMARY_o6.jpg?itok=G_pkL7Pm

Lol what a dumb post, men and women have same DNA, you can't have dumb crap such as shifted DNA for only one gender without including the others, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE AND STUPID.
You post pictures of North Americans and we all know they who have R1b and mtDNA X while Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin post South American people that's the difference you pea brain.

Here are South American men

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380817/young.jpg

Lol saying they are Caucasoids is pretty much saying these guys are also Caucasoid.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2ed823a.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2r3uue0.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/xzlaq.png
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ROqRoHtn8uc/maxresdefault.jpg

punkybrewster

06-21-2018, 07:52 AM

So are you Tatar but the difference is South Asians = West Eurasian Caucasoid mixed with ASI/Veddoid proto-Caucasoid but for Turks is Mongoloid and Caucasoid

Why do you have such a keen interest in a low IQ group like Turks as an Indian living in Britain?

punkybrewster

06-21-2018, 08:12 AM

The same study confirmed the mitochondrial haplogroup X2a and the Y-chromosome haplogroup Q-M3 of Kennewick Man, both lineages are found almost exclusively among modern Native Americans.[50]

.....

ButlerKing

06-21-2018, 08:33 AM

xiongnu/hun primary yDNA haplogroups in central asia are R1a1 and Q1a1, so scythians and aryans are their daddies.

also, change your y-dna haplogroup. genghis khan didn't belong to any c clade. that was an R1 man.

Do you really think I don't know who you are ???

R1a is rare apart from a few in Xiongnu however Mongoloid haplogroup Q is the predominant marker of Xiongnu.
" it was determined that of the 12 men there were: Q1a*(xQ-M120, xQ-M25, xQ-M3) - 6, Q1b (M378) - 4 (two separate tombs), Q*(xQ1a, xQ1b)-2 (unable to determine subclade) "

Obviously haplogroup Q is Mongoloid

1) It's high percentage only in Mongoloid
2) It's always high in mixed Mongoloid ethnic group who have very high haplogroup Q but also very high Caucasoid mtDNA
3) There is no Caucasoid ethnic group with high haplogroup Q or even with significant Q
4) The fact that Selkups, Kets, Iranian Turkmen have such high haplogroup Q but very high Caucasoid mtDNA and still look Caucasoid.
5) Haplogroup Q reaches very high many Southeast Asian and southern China minority population and still show 100% Mongoloid genetics

R1a is obviously Caucasoid except for the Turks

1) R1a is highest in Caucasoids except for Mongoloid Turks who's ancestors were Caucasoid Indo-European
2) It originated from Indo-European Caucasoid men intermarrying Mongoloid women
3) R1a in Turkic always have large percentage of Caucasoid mtDNA suggesting Turks were Mongoloid males with R1a ( although I acknowledge the marker originates from Indo-European )
4) South Asian males have spread R1a to Europe, Arabia, Southeast Asia. Long before European did but all South Asian males have varying degrees of South Indian ( ASI/Weddoid admixture )

also, change your y-dna haplogroup. genghis khan didn't belong to any c clade. that was an R1 man.

That is just a theory besides they were all Mongoloid anyway even Kublai Khan his grandson described his grandson with typical Mongol features.

aryans are their daddies.

Aryan are their daddies.... original Aryans were North Indians (oh... let me guess.... Eurocentrist trash North Indians are not true Aryans because their Aryan fathers intermixed with Dravidian speakers ? ). South Asian Aryan Caucasoids males had spread R1a in Europe, Arabia, Southeast Asia long before Europeans even spread their R1a to South Asia. Yeah sure.... typical eurocentrist who thinks South Asia was the result of Aryan men and Dravidian women but keep dreaming there is like 30-50% of West Eurasian mtDNA in North India. You seemed very pissed when I mentioned how Mongoloids and Mongoloid-Europoid ethnicities ruled over your Central Asia Aryan but you enjoy it when it's about Aryan men lording over other race of women to make other feel inferior.

Why are you as a American white male give a damn about Asian Mongoloid males messing over Caucasian women when your country promotes African black men with your white women porno which is far worst in my opinion. Better give it up, America There's like more than 6000 porn videos of Asian men with white women and many of them are famous American white women "AMWF" this shows Asian men are easily capable of taking your white American female pornstars because your women are extremely submissive to money and forbidden fantasies, well it don't surprise me if you can do porno with dogs, elephants, horses ect than what wouldn't you do, a corrupt society like America has no right to talk about Aryan/Caucasoid supremacy because your the first people to betray the pride of the Caucasoid race. Btw as a person who watches porn a lot however once you jacked off once you really lose interest in doing it again for the day that is why most people are playing video games like fornite or other esports games to release frustrations and it works.

http://i68.tinypic.com/a59da1.jpg

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

06-24-2018, 01:22 PM

you post mainly women and children. it's the men who look west eurasian shifted.

http://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gif

you little piglet even had the audacity to say that the caucasoid looking natives are "fake indians" and mixed. they were real chiefs in real tribes with a very real history with the US government. here's some sioux born in the mid-early 1800s.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/02/3f/c3023f08d018814f479ac1b67770849f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/39/14/72391484af9327366ded105be1f519d7.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/fb/f0/30fbf07a5b4e07d85d085f70330618d5.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t2diDcpkpXk/VMrjCcbS2rI/AAAAAAAAFow/_eT2_SOzvGU/s1600/Short%2BBull.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/b3/82/afb38229555499a9c0f2f6d856d5a444.jpg

https://gm-piction-live.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/primary_asset/s3/assets/4326.4667_recto_PRIMARY_o6.jpg?itok=G_pkL7PmOnly the first one kind of looks caucasoid maybe. The rest look like siberian natives /asians...

They just have big noses. Its not necessarily a caucasoid trait... its an adaptation trait. Its why amazonian/tropical natives have flat noses and look like austronesians alot. (As austronesians have flat noses) Because natives are paleo mongoloids. Not caucasoids.

ButlerKing

02-19-2019, 11:46 AM

Btw if anything the South Asian people with R1a are more related to West Asian type R1a this explains why west Eurasian admixture in India are all in the west Asian side.

ButlerKing

02-19-2019, 11:53 AM

you post mainly women and children. it's the men who look west eurasian shifted.

http://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gifhttp://www.longdog.freeuk.com/smilies/embarassed.gif

you little piglet even had the audacity to say that the caucasoid looking natives are "fake indians" and mixed. they were real chiefs in real tribes with a very real history with the US government. here's some sioux born in the mid-early 1800s.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/02/3f/c3023f08d018814f479ac1b67770849f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/39/14/72391484af9327366ded105be1f519d7.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/fb/f0/30fbf07a5b4e07d85d085f70330618d5.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t2diDcpkpXk/VMrjCcbS2rI/AAAAAAAAFow/_eT2_SOzvGU/s1600/Short%2BBull.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/b3/82/afb38229555499a9c0f2f6d856d5a444.jpg

https://gm-piction-live.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/primary_asset/s3/assets/4326.4667_recto_PRIMARY_o6.jpg?itok=G_pkL7Pm

Same thing can done with Native American women

https://xicanation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tumblr_lp7m8yXTmc1qf9zb0o1_1280.jpg
https://i.redd.it/tx7o14dt9y511.jpg
http://www.witness-this.com/content/uploads/2016/07/19th-century-portraits-of-native-american-women_7.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YXkAAOSwPhdVTnOd/s-l300.jpg

Proto-Shaman

02-27-2019, 12:23 PM

R1a wasn't Turkic, it was white Aryan originally.

How can R1a not beingz Turkic when beingz Aryan originally? Makes no sense.

https://i.imgur.com/IG49GTl.png

ButlerKing

02-27-2019, 07:50 PM

How can R1a not beingz Turkic when beingz Aryan originally? Makes no sense.

https://i.imgur.com/IG49GTl.png

Since when did east Kazakhstan have such high R1a ??? Does the map show them with 50% R1a or 30% R1a ?

Proto-Shaman

02-28-2019, 10:11 AM

Since when did east Kazakhstan have such high R1a ??? Does the map show them with 50% R1a or 30% R1a ?
Kazakhs have diverse local origins, some have 80% G1, some have 70% C, in this map the southeast has a lot of R1a with 50%. This is the last published big data spatial map for R1a: https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201450/figures/3

These are SNP's:
https://i.imgur.com/pak6FRv.jpg

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 10:47 AM

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 10:52 AM

Kazakhs have diverse local origins, some have 80% G1, some have 70% C, in this map the southeast has a lot of R1a with 50%. This is the last published big data spatial map for R1a: https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201450/figures/3

These are SNP's:
https://i.imgur.com/pak6FRv.jpg

In general Kazakhs are Mongoloid paternally haplogroup and Kyrgyz Caucasian paternally haplogroup. This is what Y-DNA should show in general...

Some are mostly haplogroup C 80.5%, Some a mostly haplogroup O 65.5%, some are mostly haplogroup Q 60.5% , some are mostly haplogroup N 50.5%

That means Kazakhs Mongoloid haplogroup was not only mostly C but in general we all should agree the Kazakhs Y-DNA is mostly haplogroup C2-M217

According to a large-scale Kazakhstani study published in 2017, Kazakh males belong to Y-DNA haplogroups C2-M217 (658/1294 = 50.85%, including 322/1294 = 24.88% C-M401, 225/1294 = 17.39% C-M86, 80/1294 = 6.18% C-M407, and 31/1294 = 2.40% C-M217(xM401, M48, M407)), R-M207 (157/1294 = 12.13%, including 78/1294 = 6.03% R1a-M198, 41/1294 = 3.17% R1b-M478, 21/1294 = 1.62% R1b-M269, 13/1294 = 1.00% R2-M124 (predicted), and 4/1294 = 0.31% R-M207(xM198, M478, M269, M124)), O-M175 (140/1294 = 10.82%, including 122/1294 = 9.43% O-M134, 9/1294 = 0.70% O-M122(xM134), and 9/1294 = 0.70% O-M175(xM122)), J-M304 (106/1294 = 8.19%, including 53/1294 = 4.10% J2a-M410 (predicted), 50/1294 = 3.86% J1-M267 (predicted), and 3/1294 = 0.23% J-M304(xJ1, J2a)), N-M231 (69/1294 = 5.33%, including 49/1294 = 3.79% N-M46, 16/1294 = 1.24% N-P43, and 4/1294 = 0.31% N-M231(xP43, M46)), G-M201 (64/1294 = 4.95%, including 44/1294 = 3.40% G1-M285, 18/1294 = 1.39% G2-P287, and 2/1294 = 0.15% G-M201(xM285, P287)), Q-M242 (41/1294 = 3.17%), E-M35 (23/1294 = 1.78%), I-M170 (20/1294 = 1.55%, including 11/1294 = 0.85% I2a-L460 (predicted), 5/1294 = 0.39% I1-M253 (predicted), and 4/1294 = 0.31% I2b-L415 (predicted)), D-M174 (6/1294 = 0.46%), L-M20 (4/1294 = 0.31% (predicted)), H (3/1294 = 0.23% (predicted)), T (2/1294 = 0.15% (predicted)), and K* (1/1294 = 0.08%).

[54] However, the distribution was inhomogeneous for some Y-DNA haplogroups: Q-M242 was found predominantly among members of the Qangly tribe (27/40 = 67.50%), C-M407 was found predominantly among members of the Qongyrat tribe (64/95 = 67.37%), O-M134 was found predominantly among members of the Naiman tribe (102/155 = 65.81%), N-M46 was found predominantly among members of the Syrgeli tribe (21/32 = 65.63%), J1-M267 (predicted) was found predominantly among members of the Ysty tribe (36/57 = 63.16%), G1-M285 was found predominantly among members of the Argyn tribe (26/50 = 52.00%), R1b-M478 was found predominantly among members of the Qypshaq tribe (12/29 = 41.38%), and R1a-M198 was found with notable frequency among members of the Suan (13/41 = 31.71%) and Oshaqty (8/29 = 27.59%) tribes and among members of the Qoja caste of Islamic scholars and gentlemen (6/30 = 20.00%), although C-M401 was more common than R1a-M198 among members of the Suan and Oshaqty tribes (25/41 = 60.98% and 11/29 = 37.93%, respectively). Because of this lack of homogeneity among Kazakhs in regard to Y-chromosome DNA, the real percentage of present-day Kazakhs who belong to each Y-DNA haplogroup

BUT ACCORDING TO THAT MAP. Kyrgyz R1a is also wrong since it shows all Kyrgyz have high R1a.

KYRGYZ are no doubt mostly R1a but on here it's 38%

http://i65.tinypic.com/8yvrx5.gif

" For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District[33] Haplogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA). Low diversity of Kyrgyz R1a1 indicates a founder effect within the historical period.[34]. The Kyrgyz R1a have relatives in the Altay region just 1200 years ago, consistent with the migration theory.[35] Other groups of Kyrgyz show considerably lower haplogroup R frequencies and almost lack haplogroup N.[36] "

From Russian study of Kyrgyz Y-DNA

R1a - 55.3%,
С3 - 25.5%,
O - 8.5%,
N1 - 4.2%,
R1b - 4.2%,
J2 - 2.1%

Although R1a is a low as 38% to as high as 63% in Kyrgyzstan we should all agree it is their general Y-DNA. What's bizarre is the 25.5% of Kyrgyz haplogroup C3 ( Now C2-M127 ) with 8.5% O but the other study with haplogroup O being 25.5% and C being only 10% but R1b remains in general the same.

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 11:31 AM

I disagree with this study

Why?

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 11:38 AM

Why?

Because not all Kyrgyz groups have high R1a some groups have it only 38% or 55.5%. High R1a in Kyrgyz is only in the Jumal district and Kyrgyz of China from 63-68%.

Most Kazakhs are haplogroup C2-M217 which are from the Mongoloid Mongolians invasions. The G, R1a haplogroup is only in minority tribes.

Kyrgyz R1a mostly Caucasian paternal R1a but your map shows all Kyrgyzstan with over 60% R1a when it's clearly wrong or maybe it's only 40%???? The blue color shades doesn't match with 60% but more with 40%.

ANYWAY R1a in India have nothing to do with Turkic.

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 11:42 AM

Because not all Kyrgyz groups have high R1a some groups have it only 38% or 55.5%. High R1a in Kyrgyz is only in the Jumal district and Kyrgyz of China from 63-68%.

Most Kazakhs are haplogroup C2-M217 which are from the Mongoloid Mongolians invasions. The G, R1a haplogroup is only in minority tribes.

Kyrgyz R1a mostly Caucasian paternal R1a but your map shows all Kyrgyzstan with over 60% R1a when it's clearly wrong or maybe it's only 40%???? The blue color shades doesn't match with 60% but more with 40%.

ANYWAY R1a in India have nothing to do with Turkic.
Well, that's the reason why Pashtun R1a fell down on the map, but not for Kyrgyz. Spatial maps with over 10.000 samples are very representative I think.

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 11:46 AM

Well, that's the reason why Pashtun R1a fell down on the map, but not for Kyrgyz. Spatial maps with over 10.000 samples are very representative I think.

How many samples for Kyrgyz ?

Actually 10,000 samples is nothing if almost all the samples came from a few districts ( which would generally have 121,000 to 250,000 people ) anyway and Kyrgyz have 5.5 million people.

I rather trust a 5,000 samples sampled from every part of the country with 100 each.

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 11:48 AM

How many samples for Kyrgyz ?

Actually 10,000 samples is nothing if almost all the samples came from a few districts ( which would generally have 121,000 to 250,000 people ) anyway and Kyrgyz have 5.5 million people.

I rather trust a 5,000 samples sampled from every part of the country with 100 each.
Don't talk and give me study with more than 10.000, you are deluting my quoting section.

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 11:55 AM

Don't talk and give me study with more than 10.000, you are deluting my quoting section.

There's no study with 10,000 samples

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 11:56 AM

There's no study with 10,000 samples
My study was. So give me more than 10.000. OR SHUT UP.

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 11:58 AM

My study was. So give me more than 10.000. OR SHUT UP.

There isn't such a high study of samples ever for central Asia.

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 12:02 PM

My study was. So give me more than 10.000. OR SHUT UP.

You Turks, you have East Asian Mongoloids paternal haplogroups when you have C2-M217, O-M175, Q, N , D

Even when you have R1a, J1, J2, E you are also a Mongoloid admixture people.

Turkic people are contaminated by Jackie Chan DNA.

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 12:03 PM

There isn't such a high study of samples ever for central Asia.
You fucking bollywood cunt, SHUT UP

"...using a panel of 16 244 male subjects from 126 populations sampled across Eurasia, we identified 2923 R1a-M420 Y-chromosomes..."
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201450

YOU ARE DELUTING MY QUOTING SECTION!

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 12:09 PM

You fucking bollywood cunt, SHUT UP

"...using a panel of 16 244 male subjects from 126 populations sampled across Eurasia, we identified 2923 R1a-M420 Y-chromosomes..."
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201450

YOU ARE DELUTING MY QUOTING SECTION!

There isn't such a high study of samples ever NOT FOR for central Asia.

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 12:18 PM

There isn't such a high study of samples ever NOT FOR for central Asia.
THIS WAS NOT THE TOPIC YOU LITTLE DIRTY DERAILING BOLLYWOOD CLOWN BASTARD CENTRAL ASIA IS PART OF EURASIA THERE IS NO BIGGER STUDY THAN THIS AND NOW GET LOST

"...Each map was generated using the frequencies from Supplementary Table 4 among 14 461 individuals, distributed across 119 population samples..."

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 09:42 PM

THIS WAS NOT THE TOPIC YOU LITTLE DIRTY DERAILING BOLLYWOOD CLOWN BASTARD CENTRAL ASIA IS PART OF EURASIA THERE IS NO BIGGER STUDY THAN THIS AND NOW GET LOST

"...Each map was generated using the frequencies from Supplementary Table 4 among 14 461 individuals, distributed across 119 population samples..."

Hey 14,461 individuals with 119 population samples is WAY TOO LOW for freaking Eurasia

14,461 individuals 119 populations would be very good for the Indian subcontinent although even that isn't enough to cover all the different ethnic groups, tribes, language groups, local identity in India.
https://therealnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/eurasia.jpg

Proto-Shaman

03-01-2019, 11:11 PM

Hey 14,461 individuals with 119 population samples is WAY TOO LOW for freaking Eurasia

14,461 individuals 119 populations would be very good for the Indian subcontinent although even that isn't enough to cover all the different ethnic groups, tribes, language groups, local identity in India.
https://therealnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/eurasia.jpg
THEN GIVE ME BIGGER STUDY

El_Abominacion

03-01-2019, 11:13 PM

türkiye stronk

ButlerKing

03-01-2019, 11:19 PM

THEN GIVE ME BIGGER STUDY

First show me what is the sample population from Kyrgyzstan out of all that 14,461 individuals for EURASIA.

Proto-Shaman

03-02-2019, 12:05 AM

First show me what is the sample population from Kyrgyzstan out of all that 14,461 individuals for EURASIA.
Positive tested for R1a:
104 from 160 Kyrgyz = ~65%
30 from 67 Nepalese = ~45%
57 from 163 Indians = ~35%

I calculated it myself. Just for you.

ButlerKing

03-02-2019, 09:16 PM

Positive tested for R1a:
104 from 160 Kyrgyz = ~65%
30 from 67 Nepalese = ~45%
57 from 163 Indians = ~35%

I calculated it myself. Just for you.

Only a puny 104 ??? Heh. I bet they tested only one district. If it was 2500 samples like the study of Kazakhs I showed you it be more reliable.

163 from Indians.... fore examples it will only be accurate if they test 200 samples from every tribe and ethnicity.

Proto-Shaman

03-05-2019, 08:30 PM

Only a puny 104 ??? Heh. I bet they tested only one district. If it was 2500 samples like the study of Kazakhs I showed you it be more reliable.

163 from Indians.... fore examples it will only be accurate if they test 200 samples from every tribe and ethnicity.
That study is unbeatable :)

Proto-Shaman

04-24-2019, 06:10 AM

fore examples it will only be accurate if they test 200 samples from every tribe and ethnicity.
I found the right amount.
https://i.imgur.com/FaBygDW.png

ButlerKing

05-23-2019, 02:17 PM

I found the right amount.
https://i.imgur.com/FaBygDW.png

New dehli of North Indian descent should be 68% R1a. New dehli attracts many opportunist from central and south Indian people.

There's clearly something inaccurate in these studies. I have feeling they are mixing North India tribal together to produce these low R1a results

Pandit

05-23-2019, 02:53 PM

Its gypsy = aryan.
Found in India and Pakistan

It's so ironic when Turkoids like Greeks with his swarthy Hairy brown skin and black mena body tries to act superior lol. Do you really think that people in East gives 2 hoots about your opinion ? To outsiders you guys are wogs and Nogs of Europe.

Just be proud of your brown skin and MENA blood, don't be a laughing stock for Nords/True Europeans and other non whites.

Proto-Shaman

05-30-2019, 01:13 PM

New dehli of North Indian descent should be 68% R1a. New dehli attracts many opportunist from central and south Indian people.

There's clearly something inaccurate in these studies. I have feeling they are mixing North India tribal together to produce these low R1a results

don't talk bullshit, prove it.

Proto-Shaman

05-30-2019, 01:15 PM

It's so ironic when Turkoids like Greeks with his swarthy Hairy brown skin and black mena body tries to act superior lol. Do you really think that people in East gives 2 hoots about your opinion ? To outsiders you guys are wogs and Nogs of Europe.

Just be proud of your brown skin and MENA blood, don't be a laughing stock for Nords/True Europeans and other non whites.

J2a Aryans :picard1:

PaleoEuropean

05-30-2019, 01:30 PM

J2a Aryans :picard1:

J2 supplanted the R and G Aryans, J was in Anatolia and the Levant long after the Aryans became a distinct people. A lot of J2 came from the Arab Conquests. This is very basic common knowledge.

https://realiran.org/national-geographic-iranian-natives-genetic-makeup-is-56-percent-arabian/

Crimson Winds

06-19-2019, 03:37 PM

J2 supplanted the R and G Aryans, J was in Anatolia and the Levant long after the Aryans became a distinct people. A lot of J2 came from the Arab Conquests. This is very basic common knowledge.

https://realiran.org/national-geographic-iranian-natives-genetic-makeup-is-56-percent-arabian/

G Aryans? Do you know its literally the thing that Aryan replaced?

Ayetooey

06-19-2019, 03:40 PM

This is well know; R1 is proto mongoloid; Caucasoid=I1/I2 and certain neolithic HG.

PaleoEuropean

06-19-2019, 03:47 PM

G Aryans? Do you know its literally the thing that Aryan replaced?

G is what made Indo-Aryans not Mongloid and provided them with an Iranian tongue. G and R merged to form the Iranian Culture and spread out along the Caucus together.

Crimson Winds

06-19-2019, 03:50 PM

G is what made Indo-Aryans not Mongloid and provided them with an Iranian tongue.

No Iranian tongue was R too. They just assimilated Caucasians.

Ülev

06-19-2019, 03:54 PM

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207511-Happy-I-m-not-R1a