Did the Armenian genocide actually happen?

[Luca]

simple questions, simple answers please.

[Marmara]

Yes

[Bosniensis]

They killed those orthodoxes yes...

well... millions of muslims were displaced from serbia, macedonia, greece as well...

there was extreme hostility, way stronger than moden one between anatolians turks and orthodoxes.

[İrle]

No.

[wvwvw]

Of course it did, and Germans aided in fact the Turks in that

Fast forward, today Germany supplies weapons to Turkey to use against Greece

[Bosniensis]

Of course it did, and Germans aided in fact the Turks in that

Fast forward, today Germany supplies weapons to Turkey to use against Greece

You had a choice to stay in Ottoman Empire and protect both your people and religion.

Now your Ecumenal Patriarchate is dead and western europeans are waging special war to exterminate you.

They sell weapons to turkey for money, it's not charity.

[Luca]

You had a choice to stay in Ottoman Empire and protect both your people and religion.

Now your Ecumenal Patriarchate is dead and western europeans are waging special war to exterminate you.

They sell weapons to turkey for money, it's not charity.

you make it sound like all turkish military advances are planned by western powers.

[Jana]

Yes.

[Queen B]

Yes, it did happen.

[Marmara]

Of course it did, and Germans aided in fact the Turks in that

Fast forward, today Germany supplies weapons to Turkey to use against Greece

Oh yes. We will nuke Greece.

[frdfgcg]

No.

[Porn Master]

why chinese don't moan and cry about chinese genocide by japanese? but armenians and jews do?

[frdfgcg]

Armenians like to make themselves look like victims.
I dont trust them.
They lived in Turkey for many centuries, no one oppressed them there, they were the most successful nation in Turkey.
Now they have invented the mythical genocide and are making themselves up as victims.
I don't believe this nation. In Russia they are known as the most arrogant and cunning people from the Caucasus.
As they say in Russia "Where the Armenian passed there is nothing to do to the Jew".

[Luca]

Jews like to make themselves look like victims.
I dont trust them.
They lived in Europe for many centuries, no one oppressed them there, they were the most successful nation in Europe.
Now they have invented the mythical genocide and are making themselves up as victims.
I don't believe this nation. In Germany they are known as the most arrogant and cunning people from the Caucasus.
As they say in German "Where the Jews passed there is nothing to do to the Jew".

hmmm... :rolleyes2:
For israel the whole holocaust thing is working pretty well. I honestly do not know about Armenia though.

[Annie999]

Yes, and Uruguay was the first country in the world to recognize it.

[Sturmgewehr]

why chinese don't moan and cry about chinese genocide by japanese? but armenians and jews do?

Because the Chinese are 1.5 Billion and a loss of even 100 million people would not be a big deal whereas Armenians and Jews are a speck of dust compared to the Huge Chinese population, I mean China can load its cannons with Chinese and it would not be a big deal.

The other reason is that Armenia also lost HUGE Chunks of land whereas China recovered what it lost.

[Decius]

Yes

[LoLeL]

Yes, and Uruguay was the first country in the world to recognize it.

Any specific reason for that?

[Pahli]

why chinese don't moan and cry about chinese genocide by japanese? but armenians and jews do?

If you ask some Chinese people on the street, some of them will still have hateful remarks about Japan, also in Korea, but their losses weren't as big compared to the Armenian genocide in terms of population loss by percentage

[Sturmgewehr]

If you ask some Chinese people on the street, some of them will still have hateful remarks about Japan, also in Korea, but their losses weren't as big compared to the Armenian genocide in terms of population loss by percentage

Actually Koreans really have a deep rooted hatred towards Japanese, they do not like the Japanese, the fact we do not hear much about it is because we do not care about it, it didnt happen in Europe so who gives a shit whereas the Holocaust and Armenian Genocide have a lot to do with European History and obviously you would hear a lot being said on that subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_Korea

[Livin]

We should not forget about Pontians and Assyrians also geonocide!!!

[Sturmgewehr]

We should not forget about Pontians and Assyrians also geonocide!!!

Yup, fuck'em.:bounce:

[LoLeL]

why chinese don't moan and cry about chinese genocide by japanese? but armenians and jews do?

Don't underestimate Japanese war crimes.

[Böri]

No.
Kurdo-Armenian civil war.

[Livin]

But i have to admit that Kurds were behind and not Turk folks.

[Joso]

why chinese don't moan and cry about chinese genocide by japanese? but armenians and jews do?

Chinese do cry about what Japanese did to them in WWII, in youtube videos there is always Chinese fighting with Japanese because of this

[FinalFlash]

why chinese don't moan and cry about chinese genocide by japanese? but armenians and jews do?

Chinese haven't felt the adverse effects of genocide the same way Armenians have you kemet looking we wuz kangz motherfucker. :)

[FinalFlash]

Armenians like to make themselves look like victims.
I dont trust them.
They lived in Turkey for many centuries, no one oppressed them there, they were the most successful nation in Turkey.
Now they have invented the mythical genocide and are making themselves up as victims.
I don't believe this nation. In Russia they are known as the most arrogant and cunning people from the Caucasus.
As they say in Russia "Where the Armenian passed there is nothing to do to the Jew".

Spoken like a true turk

[oszkar07]

It was a rather complicated set of affairs when you study the full history of it ,but end of the day I believe yes ... what happened to the Armenians was genocide.

[oszkar07]

No.
Kurdo-Armenian civil war.

Ottomans/Turks were not on side of Armenians and Kurds did their bidding too.
Not to mention the death marches.

[Böri]

Ottomans/Turks were not on side of Armenians and Kurds did their bidding too.
Not to mention the death marches.

And Russians were on the side of Armenians by the same logic.
When such stuff is discussed, however we never hear Russians being victim or so.

The truth it is that it was mainly a bloody Kurdo-Armenian civil war with a Kurdish victory and the wipping out of the Armenians where they lived for +2k years. Kurds immigrated to the region since 15th century.
İ agree that it is sad and horrible things happened. But will never accept the blame on my people nor on my state.
That would be falsification of history.

[Pahli]

And Russians were on the side of Armenians by the same logic.
When such stuff is discussed, however we never hear Russians being victim or so.

The truth it is that it was mainly a bloody Kurdo-Armenian civil war with a Kurdish victory and the wipping out of the Armenians where they lived for +2k years. Kurds immigrated to the region since 15th century.
İ agree that it is sad and horrible things happened. But will never accept the blame on my people nor on my state.
That would be falsification of history.

Your nation falsifies history to their own meta-ethnic advantage, nobody believed that bullshit nationalistic crap either.

Many Middle Eastern nations have done that, but not on such a scale as the genocides occuring during the late Ottoman and Young Turk era.

[Suinthila]

simple questions, simple answers please.


Did it?

[Cristiano viejo]

Happened.

[frdfgcg]

Happened.

Spanish conquerors killed 100 million South American Indians.
When will repent?

[Cristiano viejo]

Spanish conquerors killed 100 million South American Indians.
When will repent?

100? wow, interesting, when in all the continent (North, Central and South America) there were only 40 millions of Amerindians :lol:

[Bosniensis]

Happened.

We have a confirmation from a distant Spain that it happened.

Now that viejo has confrimed we can move on.

Spaniards posses a great knowledge on Balkan/Anatolian subjects.

xD

[Annie999]

Any specific reason for that?

What other reason than to reckon something that is true? We didnt gain anything by that. There are monuments, street and squares in my city rememoring armenian people and the genocide.

[Aren]

The thing with the Armenian-Assyrian-Pontic genocide is that ancient settlements and lands were lost and people have no ties their former land whatsoever since they weren't allowed to return. Turkey(and NW Iran) is almost completely empty of Assyrians, the Hakkari Assyrians were once the most populous of all Assyrians pre 1914.
Not sure about Armenians in Turkey nowadays but I can't imagine their numbers being particularly high.

The Kurdish involvment is underplayed though, I've heard personally from Turkish Kurds who have mentioned several times that they've heard stories from their grandparents of how they participated in the murdering of Hakkari and Mardin Assyrians in hope of claiming their land. I can't imagine having a grandparent that was a straight out mass murderer who was living without consequences like an ordinary person.

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAAq1zSXCug

[Luca]

Did it?

that is what I ask you guys.

[Suinthila]

that is what I ask you guys.

I must know. I have no clue.

[Tong]

yeah. all evidence points to it

[Cristiano viejo]

We have a confirmation from a distant Spain that it happened.

Now that viejo has confrimed we can move on.

Spaniards posses a great knowledge on Balkan/Anatolian subjects.

xD

You are not the most indicated person to talk about history, sorry.

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHMhzSdyvUs

[Gold-Shekel]

Hard one, on one hand Armenians got massacred and on the other many people ignore that European Muslims got exterminated and expelled or they use the Armenian thing to justify killing Muslims. It's hard really, it wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't instrumentalized.

Also, it seems like making this an essential thing is holding Armenia back, which serves the interest of Russia. That along with the Nagorno Karabag issue makes Armenia Russia's puppet.

[oszkar07]

Hard one, on one hand Armenians got massacred and on the other many people ignore that European Muslims got exterminated and expelled or they use the Armenian thing to justify killing Muslims. It's hard really, it wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't instrumentalized.

Also, it seems like making this an essential thing is holding Armenia back, which serves the interest of Russia. That along with the Nagorno Karabag issue makes Armenia Russia's puppet.


Yeh they were expelled from the Balkans before 1915 and ended up as poor refugee's in Turkey.
Another reason why the Armenians as a Christian Orthodox people in the region were not too popular.

Whilst I believe it was a Genocide and without speaking on behalf of the Armenians but rather in my oppinion I agree the continued bad -hostile relations between Armenia and her neighbours is an obstacle for Armenia. Building better relationships would be good but cant pretend this would be an easy or unchallenging process.

[frdfgcg]

Spoken like a true turk

As another Armenian here said, I am not Russian because Russians do not deny The Armenian genocide. He's right. Russians do not deny genocide simply because they do not know about it or they do not care about it. This is the case of the Armenians and the Turks, the Russians do not care about your fights. There's another thing. Most people in the world don't have critical thinking, they are stupid and uneducated. They believe whatever crap they're told on TV, in school, in College, and so on. They believe in the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the ZOG, the Jewish conspiracy, the massons, UFOs, the Bigfoot and all that. You see here one guy post video National Geographic. He learns history on TV. I prefer to believe the facts, my eyes and the truth. The truth is that the Armenian genocide is a big lie. In fact all the information is on the Internet what really happened. All this information is documented. Summarily. The Armenians with the support of Russia raised rebellion in the rear of the Turkish army. Simply put, they opened a second front against Turkey. Some Armenians were killed during the response of the Turkish army and during their deportation from the rear of the Turkish army. But where did the figure of 1.5 million? Nobody knows about this. Even the Armenians themselves are unable to explain it. About why I don't believe Armenians. I live in Russia, I have reason not to trust you, as well as the rest of the Caucasian peoples. I know the Caucasian mentality too well. These are notes of a Russian officer of the Russian army. An army that was an ally of the Armenians. Just read what the Russian officer writes about Armenians.
https://nomoderor.mirtesen.ru/blog/43947981833/Vsya-pravda-ob-"armyanskom-genotside"-v-ispovedi-russkogo-ofitse
He is also probably a Turk right?

[Pahli]

The thing with the Armenian-Assyrian-Pontic genocide is that ancient settlements and lands were lost and people have no ties their former land whatsoever since they weren't allowed to return. Turkey(and NW Iran) is almost completely empty of Assyrians, the Hakkari Assyrians were once the most populous of all Assyrians pre 1914.
Not sure about Armenians in Turkey nowadays but I can't imagine their numbers being particularly high.

The Kurdish involvment is underplayed though, I've heard personally from Turkish Kurds who have mentioned several times that they've heard stories from their grandparents of how they participated in the murdering of Hakkari and Mardin Assyrians in hope of claiming their land. I can't imagine having a grandparent that was a straight out mass murderer who was living without consequences like an ordinary person.

Well, you can kinda see the Kurdish "persecution" right after the genocides as karma, the Kurds of Turkey were basically just stupid tools in removing non-Muslim ethnicities, then they became the next ones.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It happened, unless someone wants to propose that more than one million of Armenians were abducted by aliens.

[Morena]

It happened, unless someone wants to propose that more than one million of Armenians were abducted by aliens.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. 2a56TIwJ_j_YeU7xhn3FOQHaGe%26pid%3D15.1&f=1

[Kamal900]

Well, you can kinda see the Kurdish "persecution" right after the genocides as karma, the Kurds of Turkey were basically just stupid tools in removing non-Muslim ethnicities, then they became the next ones.

Besides all that, they did apologized for it in the end. However, I don't like the idea of Armenians going the same line as Jews in Europe by banning anyone talking or questioning it without consequences like what happened in France. Freedom of speech and opinion should never be compromised for any group of people.

[Pahli]

Besides all that, they did apologized for it in the end. However, I don't like the idea of Armenians going the same line as Jews in Europe by banning anyone talking or questioning it without consequences like what happened in France. Freedom of speech and opinion should never be compromised for any group of people.

I agree, unfortunately some cunts are using that to only provoke, but thats freedom of speech I guess.

[Aren]

Well, you can kinda see the Kurdish "persecution" right after the genocides as karma, the Kurds of Turkey were basically just stupid tools in removing non-Muslim ethnicities, then they became the next ones.

Yeah I've mentioned it before, the irony is that they may inhabit the lands of Assyrians and Armenians now but they are still being treated like shit by Turkey. So yeah karma. Though ofc atleast they are actually living in Eastern Turkey and have somewhere in the middle east which they can call home. Australia alone probably has more Assyrians than Iran and Turkey combined.

[Aren]

Besides all that, they did apologized for it in the end. However, I don't like the idea of Armenians going the same line as Jews in Europe by banning anyone talking or questioning it without consequences like what happened in France. Freedom of speech and opinion should never be compromised for any group of people.

Very distasteful how this is the first thing you write in this thread. Everyone knows that there are very, very few people who deny the Holocaust and most people know about the Holocaust. Very different from the Armenian genocide where many people openly and publicly deny it, and the perpetrators are not even close to acknowledging it. I always roll my eyes when people use the exucse "freedom of speech" when they low key wanna distort such a loaded conversation.

[Kamal900]

Very distasteful how this is the first thing you write in this thread. Everyone knows that there are very, very few people who deny the Holocaust and most people know about the Holocaust. Very different from the Armenian genocide where many people openly and publicly deny it, and the perpetrators are not even close to acknowledging it. I always roll my eyes when people use the exucse "freedom of speech" when they low key wanna distort such a loaded conversation.

That doesn't excuse when people are thrown to prison because they have an opinion that certain people find offensive. Either you stick to the format or all right destroy it. I'm sick and tired of the double standards that are being played in the western world. Freedom of speech and expression should never be compromised.

Today, we live in a world where we can openly deny god's existance in the west, and yet, there are people as old as 88 years old are being thrown and hunted down just because they have an opinion that Jews don't like.

[Aren]

That doesn't excuse when people are thrown to prison because they have an opinion that certain people find offensive. Either you stick to the format or all right destroy it. I'm sick and tired of the double standards that are being played in the western world. Freedom of speech and expression should never be compromised.

Today, we live in a world where we can openly deny god's existance in the west, and yet, there are people as old as 88 years old are being thrown and hunted down just because they have an opinion that Jews don't like.

Oh how I wish middle easterners, especially Arabs and other muslims could write things like this but criticizing their own people and their own government. The things you mentioned regarding the Armenian genocide and how in some places you can't deny it(which I doubt is anywhere tbh) is a drop in the ocean if you compare it to all the breach of freedoms in the Arab world. Maybe start there instead of derailing a heated subject that was almost the end of two ancient people in modern day Turkey.

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5zR2xYhm4

[Böri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5zR2xYhm4

Sensitive story however there are logical flaws. Firstly, the total Armenian population was 1,5 million and she claims 1,5 million were killed. İf that was so she wouldnt be living now.
Second of all, she claims that her grandmother and relatives were 'rounded up by Turks' and 'given to harem of a man having 15 wives'
LOL. No Turk has 15 wives.
İ would say en route to Syria, maybe a Kurdish aga abducted her but I don't know how many Kurds have 15 wives back then. Very rare.

[frdfgcg]

Sensitive story however there are logical flaws. Firstly, the total Armenian population was 1,5 million and she claims 1,5 million were killed. İf that was so she wouldnt be living now.
Second of all, she claims that her grandmother and relatives were 'rounded up by Turks' and 'given to harem of a man having 15 wives'
LOL. No Turk has 15 wives.
İ would say en route to Syria, maybe a Kurdish aga abducted her but I don't know how many Kurds have 15 wives back then. Very rare.

It is enough that she is Armenian.
It's a person of interest.
For example, when Jews invented their Holocaust there were the following versions of the destruction of Jews.

A Potpourri of Nazi extermination methods

If we trace the evolution of the Holocaust yarn over the years since 1942, we stumble across one surprise after the other. In particular, innumerable methods of mass killing of which there is not the slightest mention in the later literature, are described in the most graphic detail, particularly:

a) pneumatic hammers

This method is described as follows in a report of the Polish resistance movement on Auschwitz (23):

"When the Kommandos went to work, they led them into the courtyard in the penal company where the executions took place by means of a 'pneumatic hammer'. They bound the prisoners' hands together behind their backs and brought them in, one after the other, naked, into the courtyard. They placed them in front of the barrel of an air gun, which was discharged without a sound. The hammer crushed the skull, and the compressed air destroyed the entire brain."

b) electric baths

As reported by the Polish resistance movement, the following method was also commonly used in Auschwitz (24):

"According to the report of an SS officer, the number of victims in the electrical chambers amounted, unofficially, to 2,500 per night. The executions took place in electrical baths..."

c) electrical assembly line killing

Another variant was described by Pravda on 2 February, five days after the liberation of Auschwitz:

"They (the Germans) opened up the so-called 'old graves' in the eastern part of the camp, removed the bodies, and wiped out the trace of the assembly line killing installation where hundreds of people were killed simultaneously with electrical current."

d) atomic bombs

At the Nuremberg Trial, US prosecutor Robert Jackson made the following accusation (25):

"A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; the explosive used developing temperatures of from four to five hundred degrees Centigrade."

e) burning alive

Elie Wiesel, honored with the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986, was interned at Auschwitz from the spring of 1944 until January 1945. In his memoirs of the camp, La Nuit, published in 1958, he never mentions the gas chambers -- not once, not with one single word -- even though 400,000 Hungarian Jews, among others, are said to have been gassed during his period of internment. (In the German translation, which appeared under the title of "Die Nacht zu begraben, Elischa", the gas chambers nevertheless make a miraculous appearance, for the simple reason that, whenever the word "crematoire" appears in the original, the translator has mistranslated it as "Gaskammer"). According to Wiesel, the Jews were exterminated in the following manner (26):

"Not far from us blazed flames from a pit, gigantic flames. They were burning something. A lorry drove up to the pit and dumped its load into the pit. They were small children. Babies! Yes, I had seen it, with my own eyes...Children in the flames (is it any wonder, that sleep shuns my eyes since that time?). We went there, too. Somewhat further along, was another, bigger pit, for adults. 'Father", I said, ' if that is so, I wish to wait no longer. I shall throw myself against the electrified barbed wire fence. That is better than lying around in the flames for hours."

How little Elie survived lying around in the flames for hours, by some miracle, will be revealed below.

f) steam chambers

In December 1945, at the Nuremberg Trial the following accusation was made regarding the mass killings at Treblinka (27):

"All victims had to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were driven into the death chambers... After being filled to capacity, the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all was over... From reports received may be assumed that several hundred thousands of Jews have been exterminated in Treblinka."

g) suffocation by pumping all the air out of the death chambers

This method was described by the Soviet-Jewish writer Vassily Grossman at Treblinka (28).

h) quicklime trains

At Belzec the Jews were killed according to eyewitness Jan Karski as follows (29):

"The floors of the car had been covered with a thick, white powder. It was quicklime. Quicklime is simply unslaked lime or calcium oxide that has been dehydrated. Anyone who has seen cement being mixed knows what occurs when water is poured on lim. The mixture bubbles and steams as the powder combines with the water, generating a large amount of heat. Here the lime served a double purpose in the Nazi economy of brutality. The moist flesh coming in contact with the lime is rapidly dehydrated and burned. The occupants of the cars would be literally burned to death before long, the flesh eaten from their bones. Thus, the Jews would "die in agony"", fulfilling the promise Himmler had issued "in accord with the will of the Fuehrer", in Warsaw, in 1942. Secondly, the lime would prevent decomposing bodies from spreading disease. It was efficient and inexpensive - a prefectly chosen agent for their purposes.

It took three hours to fill up the entire train by repetitions of this procedure. It was twilight when the forty six (I counted them) cars were packed. From one end to the other, the train, with its quivering cargo of flesh, seemed to throb, vibrate, rock, and jump as if bewitched. There would be a strangely uniform momentary lull and then, again, the train would begin to moan and sob, wail, and how. Inside the camp a few score dead bodies remained and a few in the final throes of death. German policemen walked around at leisure with smoking guns, pumping bullets into anything that by single motion betrayed an excess of vitality. Soon, not a single one was left alive. In the now quiet camp the only sounds were the inhuman screams that were echoes from the moving train. Then these, too, ceased. All that was now left was the stench of excrement and rotting straw and a queer, sickening, acidulous odour which, I thought, may have come from the quantities of blood that had been let, and with which the ground was stained. As I listened to the dwindling outcries from the train, I thought of the destination toward which it was speeding. My informants had minutes described the entire journey. The train would travel about eighty miles and finally come to a halt in an empty, barren field. Then nothing at all would happen. The train would stand stock-still, patiently waiting until death had penetrated into every corner of its interior. This would take from two to four days."

This Jan Karski was, by the way, appointed to chair a committee for "Scientific Research on the Holocaust" along with Elie Wiesel.i) chambers with submergible, electrified flooring. Stefan Szende, a Doctor of Philosophy, describes the extermination of the Jews at Belzec quite differently (30):"The death factory comprises an area approximately 7 km in diameter... The trains filled with Jews entered a tunnel into the underground rooms of the execution factory... The naked Jews were brought into gigantic halls. Several thousand people at one time could fit into these halls. The halls had no floor. The floor was of metal and was submergible. The floors of these halls, with their thousands of Jews, sank into a basin of water which lay beneath -- but only far enough so that the people on the metal plate were not entirely under water. When all the Jews on the metal plate were in the water up to over their hips, electrical current was sent through the water. After a few moments, all the Jews, thousands at once, were dead. Then they raised the metal plate out of the water. On it lay the corpses of the murder victims. Another shock of electrical current was sent through, and the metal plate became a crematory oven, white hot, until all the bodies were burnt to ashes... Each individual train brought three to five thousand, sometimes more, Jews. There were days on which the lines to Belzec supplied twenty or more trains. Modern technology triumphed in the Nazi system. The problem of how to execute millions of people, was solved."

j) blood poisoning

This method, described on 7 February 1943 in the New York Times ("... gas chambers and blood poisoning stations which were erected in the rural regions..."), appears to have gone into oblivion as soon as it was invented.

k) drowning

According to the Israeli Holocaust specialist Yehuda Bauer, the Rumanians in Odessa murdered 144,000 Soviet Jews, mostly by drowning (31). The same method of extermination was testified to by the underground press agent for the Warsaw ghetto, as well as for Babi Yar (32):

"Not a single Jew remains in Kiev, since the Germans have thrown the entire Jewish population of Kiev into the Dnieper."

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/hoh/chap5.html

[frdfgcg]

As we see there were "witnesses" too.

[Kamal900]

Oh how I wish middle easterners, especially Arabs and other muslims could write things like this but criticizing their own people and their own government. The things you mentioned regarding the Armenian genocide and how in some places you can't deny it(which I doubt is anywhere tbh) is a drop in the ocean if you compare it to all the breach of freedoms in the Arab world. Maybe start there instead of derailing a heated subject that was almost the end of two ancient people in modern day Turkey.

I never denied anything, so stop playing the victim here, okay? I'm talking about the fundamental meaning of free speech and opinion in any free and democratic society. People should never be thrown to prison for harboring an opinion that you or anyone else feel offensive. I never claimed that any Arab country is on the same level of freedom as countries like Noway or whatever, and I wish that we were.

Yes, the corrupt monarchies and dictators in the Arab world that sell their soul to the ZOG governments of the western world needs to be toppled down.

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq9FgRQcJXQ

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq9FgRQcJXQ

Thanks Very Much, Odin! That's a tragically candid interview with a genocide survivor, indeed, and the climax of a film documentary that's equally powerful. The 5 minute interview was taken from film documentary, about a women who goes in search for her grandmother's tragic fate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwj4e_f_1DI&t=913s

[adsız]

Armenians like to make themselves look like victims.
I dont trust them.
They lived in Turkey for many centuries, no one oppressed them there, they were the most successful nation in Turkey.
Now they have invented the mythical genocide and are making themselves up as victims.
I don't believe this nation. In Russia they are known as the most arrogant and cunning people from the Caucasus.
As they say in Russia "Where the Armenian passed there is nothing to do to the Jew".

This.

[Thanas Django]

This.

They lived in "Turkey" for many centuries?

They lived in Anatolia for millenia without a problem, when Turks were just an idea in Siberia and inner Mongolia.

Do gently get your little cocks and straddle off this thread.

[Thanas Django]

This.

They lived in "Turkey" for many centuries?

They lived in Anatolia for millenia without a problem, when Turks were just an idea in Siberia and inner Mongolia.

Do gently get your little cocks and straddle off this thread.

[renaissance12]

What is strange is the fact that Armenian genocide is often forgotten...

[adsız]

They lived in "Turkey" for many centuries?

They lived in Anatolia for millenia without a problem, when Turks were just an idea in Siberia and inner Mongolia.

Do gently get your little cocks and straddle off this thread.

Yes. They lived under Turkish rule for a 1000 years. You really dont know this?

[adsız]

Double.

[Armenian Bishop]

Armenians like to make themselves look like victims.
I dont trust them.
They lived in Turkey for many centuries, no one oppressed them there, they were the most successful nation in Turkey.
Now they have invented the mythical genocide and are making themselves up as victims.
I don't believe this nation. In Russia they are known as the most arrogant and cunning people from the Caucasus.
As they say in Russia "Where the Armenian passed there is nothing to do to the Jew".

I've seen you going around making copy pasted walls of genocide denial BS. Your viewpoint is laughable, and pretty much fits into the genocide denialist category: "Denial . . . is actually a continuation of the genocide, because it is a continuing attempt to destroy the victim group psychologically and culturally, to deny its members even the memory of the murders of their relatives."

http://www.genocidewatch.com/cost-of-denial


Spoken like a true turk

I 100% Agree, his line of ideas is in lockstep with the genocide denial rhetoric of Turkey and Azerbaijan. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[oszkar07]

It is enough that she is Armenian.
It's a person of interest.
For example, when Jews invented their Holocaust there were the following versions of the destruction of Jews.

A Potpourri of Nazi extermination methods

If we trace the evolution of the Holocaust yarn over the years since 1942, we stumble across one surprise after the other. In particular, innumerable methods of mass killing of which there is not the slightest mention in the later literature, are described in the most graphic detail, particularly:

a) pneumatic hammers

This method is described as follows in a report of the Polish resistance movement on Auschwitz (23):

"When the Kommandos went to work, they led them into the courtyard in the penal company where the executions took place by means of a 'pneumatic hammer'. They bound the prisoners' hands together behind their backs and brought them in, one after the other, naked, into the courtyard. They placed them in front of the barrel of an air gun, which was discharged without a sound. The hammer crushed the skull, and the compressed air destroyed the entire brain."

b) electric baths

As reported by the Polish resistance movement, the following method was also commonly used in Auschwitz (24):

"According to the report of an SS officer, the number of victims in the electrical chambers amounted, unofficially, to 2,500 per night. The executions took place in electrical baths..."

c) electrical assembly line killing

Another variant was described by Pravda on 2 February, five days after the liberation of Auschwitz:

"They (the Germans) opened up the so-called 'old graves' in the eastern part of the camp, removed the bodies, and wiped out the trace of the assembly line killing installation where hundreds of people were killed simultaneously with electrical current."

d) atomic bombs

At the Nuremberg Trial, US prosecutor Robert Jackson made the following accusation (25):

"A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; the explosive used developing temperatures of from four to five hundred degrees Centigrade."

e) burning alive

Elie Wiesel, honored with the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986, was interned at Auschwitz from the spring of 1944 until January 1945. In his memoirs of the camp, La Nuit, published in 1958, he never mentions the gas chambers -- not once, not with one single word -- even though 400,000 Hungarian Jews, among others, are said to have been gassed during his period of internment. (In the German translation, which appeared under the title of "Die Nacht zu begraben, Elischa", the gas chambers nevertheless make a miraculous appearance, for the simple reason that, whenever the word "crematoire" appears in the original, the translator has mistranslated it as "Gaskammer"). According to Wiesel, the Jews were exterminated in the following manner (26):

"Not far from us blazed flames from a pit, gigantic flames. They were burning something. A lorry drove up to the pit and dumped its load into the pit. They were small children. Babies! Yes, I had seen it, with my own eyes...Children in the flames (is it any wonder, that sleep shuns my eyes since that time?). We went there, too. Somewhat further along, was another, bigger pit, for adults. 'Father", I said, ' if that is so, I wish to wait no longer. I shall throw myself against the electrified barbed wire fence. That is better than lying around in the flames for hours."

How little Elie survived lying around in the flames for hours, by some miracle, will be revealed below.

f) steam chambers

In December 1945, at the Nuremberg Trial the following accusation was made regarding the mass killings at Treblinka (27):

"All victims had to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were driven into the death chambers... After being filled to capacity, the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all was over... From reports received may be assumed that several hundred thousands of Jews have been exterminated in Treblinka."

g) suffocation by pumping all the air out of the death chambers

This method was described by the Soviet-Jewish writer Vassily Grossman at Treblinka (28).

h) quicklime trains

At Belzec the Jews were killed according to eyewitness Jan Karski as follows (29):

"The floors of the car had been covered with a thick, white powder. It was quicklime. Quicklime is simply unslaked lime or calcium oxide that has been dehydrated. Anyone who has seen cement being mixed knows what occurs when water is poured on lim. The mixture bubbles and steams as the powder combines with the water, generating a large amount of heat. Here the lime served a double purpose in the Nazi economy of brutality. The moist flesh coming in contact with the lime is rapidly dehydrated and burned. The occupants of the cars would be literally burned to death before long, the flesh eaten from their bones. Thus, the Jews would "die in agony"", fulfilling the promise Himmler had issued "in accord with the will of the Fuehrer", in Warsaw, in 1942. Secondly, the lime would prevent decomposing bodies from spreading disease. It was efficient and inexpensive - a prefectly chosen agent for their purposes.

It took three hours to fill up the entire train by repetitions of this procedure. It was twilight when the forty six (I counted them) cars were packed. From one end to the other, the train, with its quivering cargo of flesh, seemed to throb, vibrate, rock, and jump as if bewitched. There would be a strangely uniform momentary lull and then, again, the train would begin to moan and sob, wail, and how. Inside the camp a few score dead bodies remained and a few in the final throes of death. German policemen walked around at leisure with smoking guns, pumping bullets into anything that by single motion betrayed an excess of vitality. Soon, not a single one was left alive. In the now quiet camp the only sounds were the inhuman screams that were echoes from the moving train. Then these, too, ceased. All that was now left was the stench of excrement and rotting straw and a queer, sickening, acidulous odour which, I thought, may have come from the quantities of blood that had been let, and with which the ground was stained. As I listened to the dwindling outcries from the train, I thought of the destination toward which it was speeding. My informants had minutes described the entire journey. The train would travel about eighty miles and finally come to a halt in an empty, barren field. Then nothing at all would happen. The train would stand stock-still, patiently waiting until death had penetrated into every corner of its interior. This would take from two to four days."

This Jan Karski was, by the way, appointed to chair a committee for "Scientific Research on the Holocaust" along with Elie Wiesel.i) chambers with submergible, electrified flooring. Stefan Szende, a Doctor of Philosophy, describes the extermination of the Jews at Belzec quite differently (30):"The death factory comprises an area approximately 7 km in diameter... The trains filled with Jews entered a tunnel into the underground rooms of the execution factory... The naked Jews were brought into gigantic halls. Several thousand people at one time could fit into these halls. The halls had no floor. The floor was of metal and was submergible. The floors of these halls, with their thousands of Jews, sank into a basin of water which lay beneath -- but only far enough so that the people on the metal plate were not entirely under water. When all the Jews on the metal plate were in the water up to over their hips, electrical current was sent through the water. After a few moments, all the Jews, thousands at once, were dead. Then they raised the metal plate out of the water. On it lay the corpses of the murder victims. Another shock of electrical current was sent through, and the metal plate became a crematory oven, white hot, until all the bodies were burnt to ashes... Each individual train brought three to five thousand, sometimes more, Jews. There were days on which the lines to Belzec supplied twenty or more trains. Modern technology triumphed in the Nazi system. The problem of how to execute millions of people, was solved."

j) blood poisoning

This method, described on 7 February 1943 in the New York Times ("... gas chambers and blood poisoning stations which were erected in the rural regions..."), appears to have gone into oblivion as soon as it was invented.

k) drowning

According to the Israeli Holocaust specialist Yehuda Bauer, the Rumanians in Odessa murdered 144,000 Soviet Jews, mostly by drowning (31). The same method of extermination was testified to by the underground press agent for the Warsaw ghetto, as well as for Babi Yar (32):

"Not a single Jew remains in Kiev, since the Germans have thrown the entire Jewish population of Kiev into the Dnieper."

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/hoh/chap5.html


It is enough that she is Armenian.
It's a person of interest.
For example, when Jews invented their Holocaust there were the following versions of the destruction of Jews.

A Potpourri of Nazi extermination methods ....

Yeh and the earth is Flat too.

[Armenian Bishop]

....

Yeh and the earth is Flat too.

I'm a bit confused. Does that mean you agree with his wall of BS, or are you saying that he lives in a fantasy? I'm assuming that you're saying that he's deluded, as deluded as those whom still claim that the world is flat.

[Armenian Bishop]

simple questions, simple answers please.

You started a good thread. Congratulations!

Here's my short and crisp answer: Yes, and nearly all of my Armenian ancestors perished in it, a century ago. The general consensus among scholars supports the Armenian version.

[oszkar07]

I'm a bit confused. Does that mean you agree with his wall of BS, or are you saying that he lives in a fantasy? I'm assuming that you're saying that he's deluded, as deluded as those whom still claim that the world is flat.

Put it this way, to me "flat earth" is the folly of radical conspiracy theorists.

[Böri]

For summary, it was a Kurdish-Armenian civil war in midst of WWI. Kurds won victory.
It was nothing like French genocide of Algerians and Blacks; or German genocide of Jews.
There was no state policy to destroy Armenian people from Turkish state. There are still tens of thousands of Armenians living in Turkey.
Anyone blaming contrary is either politically-motivated propaganda maker or deluded ape.

If Armenians want to moan they should do to Kurds who now live where they were living once upon a time.
İ see Armenians catching some Western Turks or.. even Balkan Turks and blaming them.
That's not serious.

[Teutone]

demiying it is like deniying the sun is hot

[Böri]

demiying it is like deniying the sun is hot

We didn't have concentration camps like Auschwitz, stocks of Zyklon-B gas... Where people were massively liquidated with opera-style music in background... With executionners wearing white gloves and charismatic uniforms... Then wipped out in crematories. No trace left behind...

[Teutone]

kuffar lives never were and never will be worthy for muslims

an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth should be our response, but not by genocide them but completely deport and exclude them from Europe.

[oszkar07]

For summary, it was a Kurdish-Armenian civil war in midst of WWI. Kurds won victory.
It was nothing like French genocide of Algerians and Blacks; or German genocide of Jews.
There was no state policy to destroy Armenian people from Turkish state. There are still tens of thousands of Armenians living in Turkey.
Anyone blaming contrary is either politically-motivated propaganda maker or deluded ape.

If Armenians want to moan they should do to Kurds who now live where they were living once upon a time.
İ see Armenians catching some Western Turks or.. even Balkan Turks and blaming them.
That's not serious.

How then do you explain the rounding up and killing of Armenian intellectuals.
The death marches to Syria.

[Teutone]

We didn't have concentration camps like Auschwitz, stocks of Zyklon-B gas... Where people were massively liquidated with opera-style music in background... Then wipped out in crematories. No trace left behind...

So? I got the balls and dignity to admit the holocaust happen, so whats your point?

[Böri]

How then do you explain the rounding up and killing of Armenian intellectuals.
The death marches to Syria.

Ever since 1910's Istanbul hosted always a small Armenian community.
Armenian schools and churches always present in Western Turkey and operating ever since.
If there was a planned state policy of systematic destruction, the job would be clean.
All those would be eliminated.
Relocation was forced by conditions (advancing Russian Imperial Army in the east) such as Armenian separatist gangs attacking Turkish army's lines from behind etc.

So, the events and policy implementations indicate towards preventive policies by the Turkish state. Not a planned destruction.

Armenians wanted to have independent state in the east. They entered into a civil war against Kurds, hoping Russian support against Turkish state.
İt didn't turn out as they expected.
Long story short.

[Böri]

BTW, many don't know but let us leave a note.

In 1915 when these events started.. Total Christian population of Turkey:
- 2 million Orthodox Asian Greeks (Pontic, Cappadocian, Ionian, Istanbulian living in central and western parts of the country)
- 1,5 million Apostolic Armenians (living mostly in eastern Turkey)

If Turks really had a destruction policy against Xtians, how come the 2 million Greeks weren't touched (they were exchanged with Greece in 1923)?

[Kamal900]

I'm a bit confused. Does that mean you agree with his wall of BS, or are you saying that he lives in a fantasy? I'm assuming that you're saying that he's deluded, as deluded as those whom still claim that the world is flat.

To me, he disagrees with his affirmation that the Armenian genocide didn't happen.

[Kamal900]

How then do you explain the rounding up and killing of Armenian intellectuals.
The death marches to Syria.

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoXED_7I3VA&index=62&t=207s&list=LLN3mMzbMtUm3mnzYjNFQBGw

The Arab bedouins in the video claimed that their ancestors had witnessed such an event, and there are bones underground to prove it. They saved as many Armenians as they can and took care the children as their own.

[Gangrel]

Of course it did.

[Böri]

Armenian population in the world as of now:
http://www.haias.net/news/_armenian-population.html

Argentina: 130k
Australia: 59k
Brazil: 40k
Canada: 80k
France: 450k
USA: 1 million

If all those Armenians still exist today, that's thanks to the Turkish state policy of their relocation.
Turkish military escorts led them to Syria and Lebanon. Protecting them from Kurdish and Arab gangs.
Later British and French warships picked those Armenians and distributed them to the world.


This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoXED_7I3VA&index=62&t=207s&list=LLN3mMzbMtUm3mnzYjNFQBGw

The Arab bedouins in the video claimed that their ancestors had witnessed such an event, and there are bones underground to prove it. They saved as many Armenians as they can and took care the children as their own.

Fuck off fat ass.
Arabs participated in the destruction of Christian Assyrians in southeastern Turkey with local Kurdish gangs. That's a well known fact.

[Böri]

European research and conclusion.
Arabs from Mesopotamian Turkey participated to the destruction of Christian Assyrians.


Murder By Higher Orders?
Kurds do display a readiness to work through the question of Kurd-Armenian relations and the Armenian genocide; however, above all when it comes to the issue of the position of the Kurds during the genocide, the differences of opinion among Kurdish intellectuals become evident. Orhan Miroglu, a journalist of the left-liberal newspaper „Taraf“, who comes from Mardin, wrote an article entitled, “1915, Denial and the Kurds”, on the anniversary of the genocide in 2011[6]. In it, he went into the reasons for the establishment of the Hamidian Regiments and mentioned their participation on the 1894-1896 massacres of the Armenians. Miroglu then comes to his actual subject, the genocide against the Armenians and Syrians/Assyrians as well as the role of the Kurds: "In 1915 Kurds played an important role in the massacres of Armenians and Assyrians. It is obvious that theirs was not a role of ordinary hired killers. Especially the extermination of Assyrians in Turabdin region was carried out by the joint efforts of local authorities, and Kurdish and Arab tribes. The Ittihadists hadn’t even a deliberate plan for Assyrians.“
Miroglu critizes the position of Kurdish intellectuals because they deny the Kurds‘ complicity: “We cannot say that Kurdish intellectuals displayed a good performance as regards recognition of their complicity in the crime. Our intellectuals attributed the massacres by the [Kurdish] tribes to their being provoced by the Ittihadists. This, he writes, is however not correct: “The massacres directly committed by Kurds cannot be accounted for by simply saying that they were obeying orders. They really believed or they had a stake in believing in the Ittihadists’ propaganda.” Miroglu criticizes that the Kurds evaded the genocide issue for a long time: “Therefore Kurdish intellectuals and politicians, until very recently, instead of facing the truth about the mass extermination of Armenians and Assyrians living in Kurdistan, found it more convenient to stick to stories of Armenians and Assyrians ‘saved’ [by Kurds].”
http://www.mirak-weissbach.de/News/Toros-Sarian.html

Arab camel jockeys weren't involved in the Armenian affair, because Arabs were living very south. Syrian and Iraqi border where Armenian population was lesser.
The Christians which Arabs were living nearby were the Assyrians.
Kurdish historian, politician Orhan Miroğlu clearly notes the Arabs were involved in the destruction of Assyrians.

In case of Turks, 'our Xtians' were Greeks in western Turkey.
The 2 million survived. Greece asked them to Turkey.
Population exchange happened.
Those Asian Greeks are now 35-40% of Greece's total population living mostly in northern Greece, territories which Greeks took from Bulgarians during Balkan wars and WWI.

[Armenian Bishop]

For summary, it was a Kurdish-Armenian civil war in midst of WWI. Kurds won victory.
It was nothing like French genocide of Algerians and Blacks; or German genocide of Jews.
There was no state policy to destroy Armenian people from Turkish state. There are still tens of thousands of Armenians living in Turkey.
Anyone blaming contrary is either politically-motivated propaganda maker or deluded ape.

If Armenians want to moan they should do to Kurds who now live where they were living once upon a time.
İ see Armenians catching some Western Turks or.. even Balkan Turks and blaming them.
That's not serious.

Sure the Kurds were involved in the massacres, but it's not that simple. In 1915, the Young Turks were directly involved in a premeditated genocide.

For example: There wasn't a Kurdish presence in the vicinity of Trebizond, a place where as many as 50,000 Armenians perished. Boatloads of Armenians were taken onto the Black Sea, where they were deliberately drowned by Turkish military units.

In August, 1915, Giacomo Gorrini (an Italian diplomat) observed the drowning of Armenian women and children in the Black Sea: "I saw thousands of innocent women and children placed on boats which were capsized in the Black Sea." His statement was published in the Toronto Globe, in a contemporaneous newspaper article.

A 2003 publication, by Gunter Levy, gives the same observation from Oscar Heizer. Heizer, an American Diplomat, observed the same thing in Trebizond: "Many of the children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea and thrown overboard. I myself saw where 16 bodies were washed ashore and buried by a Greek woman near the Italian monastery."

The examples of direct Turkish involvement in the killing of Armenians, during the century old genocide, are numerous enough to fill a big thick book, if not volumes and volumes of books. That one example is sufficient for now, to explain why the Kurds weren't acting alone, and in fact were acting with much encouragement from the government.

[Armenian Bishop]

To me, he disagrees with his affirmation that the Armenian genocide didn't happen.


Yes, you're right. I figured it out too.

[Kamal900]

European research and conclusion.
Arabs from Mesopotamian Turkey participated to the destruction of Christian Assyrians.



Arab camel jockeys weren't involved in the Armenian affair, because Arabs were living very south. Syrian and Iraqi border where Armenian population was lesser.
The Christians which Arabs were living nearby were the Assyrians.
Kurdish historian, politician Orhan Miroğlu clearly notes the Arabs were involved in the destruction of Assyrians.

In case of Turks, 'our Xtians' were Greeks in western Turkey.
The 2 million survived. Greece asked them to Turkey.
Population exchange happened.
Those Asian Greeks are now 35-40% of Greece's total population living mostly in northern Greece, territories which Greeks took from Bulgarians during Balkan wars and WWI.

Show your face then if you think you don't resemble us. As far as the Armenian question goes, the Kurds participated in the genocide that were given by their Turkish overlords back in Istanbul to carry out the plan for their own ends which was never given in the first place. The Young Turks were a Turkish nationalist organization that were ruling Turkey after the dissolution of the Ottoman empire, and the Kurds took their orders from them. Btw, the Turkic peoples of central asia also ride and use both the dromedary and the bactrian camels even to this very day.

[Kamal900]

Armenian population in the world as of now:
http://www.haias.net/news/_armenian-population.html

Argentina: 130k
Australia: 59k
Brazil: 40k
Canada: 80k
France: 450k
USA: 1 million

If all those Armenians still exist today, that's thanks to the Turkish state policy of their relocation.
Turkish military escorts led them to Syria and Lebanon. Protecting them from Kurdish and Arab gangs.
Later British and French warships picked those Armenians and distributed them to the world.



Fuck off fat ass.
Arabs participated in the destruction of Christian Assyrians in southeastern Turkey with local Kurdish gangs. That's a well known fact.

Now you're blaming on us, Turk? Again, show your face, Mr. Turan.

[Böri]

Sure the Kurds were involved in the massacres, but it's not that simple. In 1915, the Young Turks were directly involved in a premeditated genocide.

For example: There wasn't a Kurdish presence in the vicinity of Trebizond, a place where as many as 50,000 Armenians perished. Boatloads of Armenians were taken onto the Black Sea, where they were deliberately drowned by Turkish military units.

In August, 1915, Giacomo Gorrini (an Italian diplomat) observed the drowning of Armenian women and children in the Black Sea: "I saw thousands of innocent women and children placed on boats which were capsized in the Black Sea." His statement was published in the Toronto Globe, in a contemporaneous newspaper article.

A 2003 publication, by Gunter Levy, gives the same observation from Oscar Heizer. Heizer, an American Diplomat, observed the same thing in Trebizond: "Many of the children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea and thrown overboard. I myself saw where 16 bodies were washed ashore and buried by a Greek woman near the Italian monastery."

The examples of direct Turkish involvement in the killing of Armenians, during the century old genocide, are numerous enough to fill a big thick book, if not volumes and volumes of books. That one example is sufficient for now, to explain why the Kurds weren't acting alone, and in fact were acting with much encouragement from the government.

Even if those Trabzon stories are true (which I doubt), the Armenian gangs killed Turks too where they could find them.
There is a difference between murders and a genocide (which is planned systematic destruction).
If Armenians were deliberately, systematically destroyed you wouldn't still have an Armenian community in Istanbul; Istanbul is still having Armenian churches, schools etc to this day.
Hell you still have Armenian Patriarchate in Istanbul since the 15th century, and it existed without any breaks since then.

You had a civil war with mainly Kurds.
You lost it. That's the issue.
The only thing you can blame Turks about in a state level, it's that Turkish state favoured Kurds back then. That's right. But Turks didn't instigate conflicts.

Actually, one of the reasons over a million Armenians still exist and live in Western countries (France, US, Australia) and Latin America, that's thanks to Turkish military escorts.
Otherwise, Kurdish, Zaza and Arab gangs would probably be done with you completely without you can get to Levant coastline.

Turkish military escorts protected the mass of Armenian civilians from both WWI front conditions (Ottoman-Russian war) and the Kurdish-Armenian civil war happening there.

[Armenian Bishop]

Even if those Trabzon stories are true (which I doubt), the Armenian gangs killed Turks too where they could find them.
There is a difference between murders and a genocide (which is planned systematic destruction).
If Armenians were deliberately, systematically destroyed you wouldn't still have an Armenian community in Istanbul; Istanbul is still having Armenian churches, schools etc to this day.
Hell you still have Armenian Patriarchate in Istanbul since the 15th century, and it existed without any breaks since then.

You had a civil war with mainly Kurds.
You lost it. That's the issue.
The only thing you can blame Turks about in a state level, it's that Turkish state favoured Kurds back then. That's right. But Turks didn't instigate conflicts.

Actually, one of the reasons over a million Armenians still exist and live in Western countries (France, US, Australia) and Latin America, that's thanks to Turkish military escorts.
Otherwise, Kurdish, Zaza and Arab gangs would probably be done with you completely without you can get to Levant coastline.

Turkish military escorts protected the mass of Armenian civilians from both WWI front conditions (Ottoman-Russian war) and the Kurdish-Armenian civil war happening there.

Honestly, Turkish military escorts weren't innocent as angels. :picard2:
I don't have time or energy to explain it right now. It's late here.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXiP-vEPEJQ

My ancestral home town, a century ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzcrEKOYexw&t=111s

My ancestral hometown today.

[Böri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXiP-vEPEJQ

My ancestral home town, a century ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzcrEKOYexw&t=111s

My ancestral hometown today.

Yes. Muş. Today it's over 95% Kurdish and Zaza but you tell 'Turks did it'...

Turkish military escorts are the only reason why you have today over 1,5 million Armenian diaspora in Western and Latino countries.

Should Turks leave the Armenians on their own in 1910's with Kurdish, Zaza and Arab gangs around; none of them would be living today.

[Kamal900]

Yes. Muş. Today it's over 95% Kurdish and Zaza but you tell 'Turks did it'...

Turkish military escorts are the only reason why you have today over 1,5 million Armenian diaspora in Western and Latino countries.

Should Turks leave the Armenians on their own in 1910's with Kurdish, Zaza and Arab gangs around; none of them would be living today.

Arab gangs, lol. Many Arab bedouins saved many Armenians from the death march into Syrian desert, and they're living just fine in countries like Lebanon, Syria, UAE and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoXED_7I3VA&index=62&list=LLN3mMzbMtUm3mnzYjNFQBGw&t=213s

[Böri]

What's the proof those skulls belonging to Armenians weren't victims who were gunned down or cut by Kurds and Syrian Arabs?

If I speak here, that's because I have undeniable proofs for Turkish help to Armenian survival: such as the continued existence of Istanbul's Armenian community and its institutions, or the hundreds of thousands Armenians safely relocated to Levant coast (from whom the 1,5 million modern Armenians in diaspora in western countries descend).

[Thanas Django]

Yes. They lived under Turkish rule for a 1000 years. You really dont know this?

That wasn't the point of my post.

Having said that,

I bet you get secret little boners saying things like "they lived under Turkish rule for a 1000 years." little muslim pervert.

[Kivan]

Yes.

[Thanas Django]

Böri keeps running into dead-ends with nonsense arguments and thinks he can get out of the clinch by calling you fat or levantine or big nose.

What a trashcan poster.

[Kamal900]

Böri keeps running into dead-ends with nonsense arguments and thinks he can get out of the clinch by calling you fat or levantine or big nose.

What a trashcan poster.

I'm used to his ad-hominem attacks against me. Every time I tell him something that contradicts his statements against me or any group of people he goes all ballistic with racial slurs and etc.

[StonyArabia]

It was Kurdo-Armenian civil war it seems. RIP Armenian vicitims

[Thanas Django]

It was Kurdo-Armenian civil war it seems. RIP Armenian vicitims

Stop describing the taste of Turkish penis to us.

[sean]

Armenians sided with the Russian revolution over the Turkish one, in a (not very) shocking continuation of World War I. The Turks responded as brutally as you'd expect, killing not only the traitors (in their eyes), but everyone nearby as well. Thus, genocide.

But people forget to mention:

1. Germans actively encouraged the Turks to commit genocide.

2. Young Turks were the ones that committed it.

3. The Kurds actually helped the Turks commit mass genocide.

4. They didn't only genocide Armenians, they genocided Greeks and Assyrians as well.

5. Max von Oppenheim was the man that pioneered the genocide strategy and he was Jewish.

6. Young Turks were heavily influenced by wealthy Jewish businessmen from Greece.

[Roy]

Yes, and it's a shame that Turks are yet to acknowledge that.

[Tigranes]

Turkish Historian: Ottoman governors ‘spoke openly’ of how to exterminate population

“These letters indicate there was an actual, conscious decision taken to annihilate the empire’s Armenian population,” says Professor Taner Akçam.

Letters referring to a decision to “annihilate” all Armenians have been authenticated as the work of Bahaettin Şakir, one of the architects of the Armenian Genocide, according to a new study by Clark University history professor Taner Akçam. His paper, “When was the Decision to Annihilate the Armenians Taken?” appears in the Journal of Genocide Research.

Akçam writes that the signatures on the two letters, dated March 3 and April 7, 1915, match those of Şakir on other documents. Akçam also says he has unearthed new documents from the Ottoman Archives showing initial decisions to exterminate groups of Armenians were taken by a local branch of the paramilitary organization, Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa (Special Organization), led by provincial governors in December 1914.

The first letter studied by Akçam states that the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) “has decided to annihilate all of Armenians living within Turkey, not to allow a single one to remain, and has given the government broad authority in this regard.” The second letter reiterates this message. Previously, the authenticity of these letters was questioned but, according to Akçam, signature comparison indicates they were authored by Şakir — who, as head of the Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa, helped to plan and carry out the genocide.

The Armenian Genocide, the Ottoman government’s systematic extermination of 1.5 million Armenians, was carried out during and after World War I. While present-day Turkey accepts that many Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were killed in clashes with Ottoman forces during the war, it continues to contest the 1.5 million figure and denies that the killings were systematically orchestrated and constitute a genocide. This denial — which continues despite a recent United Nations Joint Allegation Letter demanding that the Turkish government investigate the treatment of Armenians from 1915 to 1923, establish the truth, and make reparations — has hinged on the patchy archival record.

“These letters indicate there was an actual, conscious decision taken to annihilate the empire’s Armenian population, and that it was taken before March 3, 1915,” says Akçam. “Moreover, there were other related decisions that preceded this final one, as a series of documents we discovered in the Ottoman Archives shows.”

These documents suggest that initial decisions to eliminate groups of Armenians were not taken by the Central Committee of the CUP and/or by the central government, but by governors in the provinces of Van and Bitlis.

“In their communications — both with Istanbul and with one another — the governors did not see the need to use vague language or euphemisms in referring to the annihilation of the Armenians, but spoke of it openly, even offering a number of tangible ideas regarding how such an extermination could or should be carried out,” Akçam says.



Policy decisions regarding the elimination of Armenians, while initially made at the regional level, would eventually serve to pressure the central government in Istanbul to adopt a more radical overall policy, he concludes.

Akçam is professor of history at Clark and holds the Robert Aram and Marianne Kaloosdian and Stephen and Marian Mugar Endowed Chair of Armenian Genocide Studies. One of the first Turkish intellectuals to acknowledge and openly discuss the Armenian Genocide, The New York Times referred to him as “The Sherlock Holmes of the Armenian Genocide.” His 2018 book, “Killing Orders: Talat Pasha’s Telegrams and the Armenian Genocide,” includes a document — a “smoking gun” — that points to the Ottoman government’s central role in planning the elimination of its Armenian population. A previous work, “The Young Turks’ Crime Against Humanity: The Armenian Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing in the Ottoman Empire,” was co-winner of the Middle East Studies Association’s Albert Hourani Book Award and named one of the “Best Books on the Middle East” by ForeignAffairs.com.

Among his many honors, Akçam received the 2018 Outstanding Upstander Award from the World Without Genocide organization; the Hrant Dink Spirit of Freedom and Justice Medal from the Organization of Istanbul Armenians and the Hrant Dink Freedom Award from the Armenian Bar Association (both in 2015); and the Heroes of Justice and Truth award at the Armenian Genocide Centennial commemoration in May 2015.

https://clarknow.clarku.edu/2019/07/...NYvqkA.twitter

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?295601-Taner-Ak%E7am-unearths-evidence-of-Ottoman-decision-to-%91annihilate%92-Armenians

[Tigranes]

http://www.armenews.com/local/cache-vignettes/L450xH686/hayeri-bnajnjman-masin-arajin--na158894.1-99045.jpg?1566940236

“[Madde] 4. Gerek merkezde ve gerek mülhakâtta rehber-i ihtilal [ihtilal önderi] olacak veyahut İslamlara tasallut edecekleri [saldıracakları] maznun [şüpheli] Ermenilerin şimdiden bi’t-tevkif [önceden tutuklanarak] İslamlara tasallutları görüldüğü takdirde imha edilmek üzere hemen Bitlis’e sevkleri.”

[Tigranes]

Historian Taner Akçam reveals another document of critical importance. In the telegram sent by III. Army Commander Mahmut Kamil Paşa to the regions from where Armenians had been deported, it was stated that the houses of the ones who hide Armenians will be burned.

http://admin.agos.com.tr/Upload/Agos/Images/2017/05/Screen%20shot%202017-05-03%20at%2017.48.07.png
Armenian transliteration of Mahmut Kamil Paşa's first telegram

Mahmut Kamil Paşa wrote another telegram about the same issue. On August 1, 1915, he sent another order to the regions as an explanation to the one sent on July 24. In this second telegram, he wrote the execution order does not apply to “the ones who host women and children who were officially settled [in Muslim houses] by the government”. He noted that the punishment “applies to ones, regardless of their religion, who hide Armenians without informing the government” and these people will be executed.

This order reveals a fact: in villages and towns, many Muslims were hiding Armenians in their houses and the government wanted to prevent it. This is why threat of burning the houses and execution was posed.

All these documents revealed during CUP trials in Istanbul are still kept confidential in secret vaults of the state! Since these documents couldn't have been found for years, they had been treated as “invalid in the absence of originals”. For years, there had been a strange coalition. The state hid the documents and some academics spread the claim that “since there is no original document, they cannot be regarded as evidence”.

http://admin.agos.com.tr/Upload/Agos/Images/2017/05/Screen%20shot%202017-05-03%20at%2017.49.47.png
Mahmut Kamil Paşa’s second telegram


Full Article: http://www.agos.com.tr/en/article/18403/the-houses-of-the-ones-who-hide-armenians-will-be-burned-and-they-will-be-executed

[Smeagol]

Max von Oppenheim was the man that pioneered the genocide strategy and he was Jewish.

Not exactly. He was a Catholic of half Jewish ancestry who was not considered Jewish when the Nazis took power and allowed to continue his work.

[Jehan]

I have talked with turks in real life about it once.
And they don't deny the killing of armenians. Just for them it was a war operation. As armenians rebels and side with russians during the war. Turkish army took action.

[wvwvw]

It was Kurdo-Armenian civil war it seems. RIP Armenian vicitims

This was not a civil since the Armenians were not attempting to take political control of all of Anatolia. The Armenians never invaded Turkey. It was the Turks who invaded Armenia and started massacring its people through a systematically organised state sponsored genocide beyond the scale of even Adolf Hitler.

The Kurds were incited to murder Armenians by being read passages form the the hate filled Koran by Ataturk and his speak writer. More pre-meditated genocide. Then Ataturk turn on the Kurds. His repression of Kurdish nationalism and even Kurdish identity was savage and predatory.

I should add there was no Turkey and NO more Ottoman empire at the time. The Turks attacked an independent Armenia in order to exterminate its people and seize the land. Even the ottoman empire recognised Armenian and its territory.

This genocide had nothing to do with the Russians. In fact the bloodthirsty murderer Kemal Attatur was even negotiating an alliance with the Russians at the time.

Besides Balkans, Turkey is the most hated country in the middle east next to Israel. The Arabs still remember the savage and babaric way they were treated by the Turks.

Lebanese president condemns Ottoman occupation, sparking Turkish anger
Sep 02 2019

Turkey has criticised Lebanese President Michel Aoun after he made a speech lamenting what he called state terror practiced by the Ottoman Empire during its four-century rule of the region.

“The state terror practiced by the Ottomans against the Lebanese, especially during World War One, caused hundreds of thousands of victims between famine, conscription and forced labour, without omitting the gallows through which they wanted to annihilate the spirit of emancipation and rebellion,” Aoun said.
https://ahvalnews.com/lebanon-turkey/lebanese-president-condemns-ottoman-occupation-sparking-turkish-anger

And recently a Jewish historian publiced a book claiming the Turks were more sadist than the Nazis.

[Pine]

5. Max von Oppenheim was the man that pioneered the genocide strategy and he was Jewish.



Why troll about something like this? He wasn't Jewish. His dad was born Jewish and converted to Catholicism. His mother had no connection to Jews, ethnic or otherwise. He wasn't in a position to design anything like that. The only source connecting him to the event is a letter from a high ranking Brit, alleging that he vocally supported such actions in Mosques after they had begun. The idea that the Ottomans were going to trust this guy with something like that is beyond how retarded your other posts are, and that's saying something.


6. Young Turks were heavily influenced by wealthy Jewish businessmen from Greece.

Conspiracy theorists love using vague, borderline meaningless terms like "influenced". Show what you're talking about.

The only Jew that I'm aware of who had any connection to the Armenian Genocide was Morgenthau - who tried to stop it.


The American government however, not wanting to get dragged into disputes, remained a neutral power in the conflict at the time and voiced little official reaction. Morgenthau held high-level meetings with the leaders of the Ottoman Empire to help alleviate the position of the Armenians, but the Turks waived and ignored his protestations. He famously admonished the Ottoman Interior Minister Talaat Pasha, stating: "Our people will never forget these massacres."[15] As the massacres continued unabated, Morgenthau and several other Americans decided to form a public fund-raising committee to assist the Armenians – the Committee on Armenian Atrocities (later renamed the Near East Relief) – raising over $100 million in aid, the equivalent of $1 billion today. Through his friendship with Adolph Ochs, publisher of the New York Times, Morgenthau also ensured that the massacres continued to receive prominent coverage. The New York Times published 145 articles in 1915 alone.[16]

Exasperated with his relationship with the Ottoman government, he resigned from the ambassadorship in 1916. Looking back on that decision in his The Murder of a Nation, he wrote he had come to see Turkey as "a place of horror. I had reached the end of my resources. I found intolerable my further daily association with men, however gracious and accommodating…who were still reeking with the blood of nearly a million human beings."[17] He published his conversations with Ottoman leaders and his account of the Armenian genocide in 1918 under the title Ambassador Morgenthau's Story.[18]


In June 1917 (((Felix Frankfurter))) accompanied Morgenthau, as a representative of the War Department, on a secret mission to persuade Turkey to abandon the Central Powers in the war effort. The mission had as its stated purpose to "ameliorate the condition of the Jewish communities in Palestine".[19] In 1918 Morgenthau gave public speeches in the United States warning that the Greeks and Assyrians were being subjected to the "same methods" of deportation and "wholesale massacre" as the Armenians, and that two million Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians had already perished.[20]

All this talk about Jews trying to drag the US into wars , and the one time it was arguably true, was to save Armenians.
All this talk about American Jews using US foreign policy in the Middle East to help Israelis, the one time such a lie did occur was to help Armenians under the pretense of helping Jews.

Only an utter mental gutter like TA can twist the truth this much.

[Samnium]

I have talked with turks in real life about it once.
And they don't deny the killing of armenians. Just for them it was a war operation. As armenians rebels and side with russians during the war. Turkish army took action.

The same I had a turk neighbor he said that Armenians had killed a lot of Turks before that genocide happens.

[sean]

Why troll about something like this? He wasn't Jewish. His dad was born Jewish and converted to Catholicism. His mother had no connection to Jews, ethnic or otherwise. He wasn't in a position to design anything like that. The only source connecting him to the event is a letter from a high ranking Brit, alleging that he vocally supported such actions in Mosques after they had begun. The idea that the Ottomans were going to trust this guy with something like that is beyond how retarded your other posts are, and that's saying something.

You are retarded. His dad only converted for marrying his mother. Kaiser Willy literally asked the Ottomans to call Jihad against the British and the French and get Turks and Arabs to attack them. He did this at the advice of his Mideast consultant Max Oppenheim.


It was Kaiser Wilhelm’s view that the British and the French, “all shared one colossal Achilles heel: they each ... ruled over millions of unruly Muslim subjects, whose resentment at being dictated to by infidels might easily be inflamed in a European war”. A plan, devised by Max von Oppenheim, called on the Germans and Muslims to fight “together shoulder to shoulder, for their very existence” to win “the greatest war that has ever erupted on this earth”.

https://www.ft.com/content/0b986f4a-8b33-11e2-8fcf-00144feabdc0

This 'Holy War' led to multiple genocides of Christian populations by the Young Turk government, these genocides included the ones against Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians all Christian groups. The aim however was supposed to be against the British.


Conspiracy theorists love using vague, borderline meaningless terms like "influenced". Show what you're talking about.

The Russians had plans to create a new Orthodox Middle East. The Armenian and Greek Christians would've been the new leaders.

Jews were loyal to the Ottoman Empire since the beginning, they fled to Thessaloniki, which remained under Ottoman rule until 1912. They were totally anti-Greek and were fully against Russia's plan. The Muslim and Jewish quarters of Smyrna remained unscathed while the Greek and Armenian quarters burned.


The only Jew that I'm aware of who had any connection to the Armenian Genocide was Morgenthau - who tried to stop it.

You omitted the Morgenthau Plan, which explicitly wanted to wipe Germans out. The German people have this man to thank for stopping the Morgenthau plan.

https://i.imgur.com/vg0vbOi.jpg


All this talk about Jews trying to drag the US into wars , and the one time it was arguably true, was to save Armenians. All this talk about American Jews using US foreign policy in the Middle East to help Israelis, the one time such a lie did occur was to help Armenians under the pretense of helping Jews.

The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.


Only an utter mental gutter like TA can twist the truth this much.

Why do Jews think they are welcome here? This is unbridled, unrestricted, free speech.

Here is the place where you'll find like minded company, go troll there.

https://www.reddit.com/

[Kamal900]

Yes, it did happen.

[wvwvw]

The same I had a turk neighbor he said that Armenians had killed a lot of Turks before that genocide happens.

For the Armenians the genocide of 1915 was the culmination of endless massacres and attempts at destruction as Muslim Turks took over their land and worked to completely obliterate them. Massacres, marches, enslavement, rape, torture, pillage and burning preceded this horrendous death march that Turks refuse to acknowledge even today.

In the 11th century Vaspourakan was ravaged by the Turks, and Ardzen, a wealthy city was plundered and torched with 150,000 enslaved. The Seljuk Turks then the Ottoman/Osmanli Turks carried out endless attacks.

In 1894 -1896 Turks attacked Armenian villages and massacred inhabitants (the Hamidian massacres). Massacres first occurred in Sasun, Istanbul, Trebiznd, Erurum, Urfa. The Armenians, already paying tribute to the Kurds, refused to pay further tribute to the Turkish authorities in Sasun. Turkish troops, Kurds and the Muslim population slaughtered the Sasun Armenians, raped the females, dashed children to death and burnt down villages. The Turkish commander Zeki Pasha was rewarded by the sultan (Bostom p 667).

Britain, France and Russia were upset and demanded reforms...the sultan pretended to accept watered-down reforms with many paper promises – he needed help to stave off Russian interference re the Orthodox Christian ‘dhimmi’ populations of Greeks, Serbs, and Armenians and hoped for western support.

A series of organised massacres (beginning and ending with a bugle call) occurred throughout eastern Turkey in the Armenian areas with 50,000-100,000 killed and shops etc destroyed.(Bostom p 667- 669). Preaching from mosques encouraged the attackers and promised them the rewards of Armenian property as allah decreed.

In Urfa, koranic verses were recited before people had their throats slit and women and children were burnt alive (8 thousand died) (Bostom p 669-670).

Massacres also occurred at Ayintab, Birecik, and Severek in Aleppo Province: (Aleppo city today is in Syria just S of Turkish border). The report of the British consul notes re Ayintab

“the butchers and tanners, with sleeves tucked up to the shoulders, armed with clubs and cleaves, cut down the Christians , with cries of ‘allahu akbar.’.....then when mid-day came they knelt down and said their prayers, and then jumped up and resumed their dreadful work......they fired the houses with petroleum.”..(Bostom p 670)

Soldiers and Muslims participated in the massacres at Birecik and Severek where the sexton and pastor were beheaded. (Bostom p 671)

In 1909, Armenians were massacred in Alana (S. Turkey) killing 15,000-30,000. Assyrians and Greeks were also attacked. Read the article "Slaughter of Christians in Asia Minor from the NYTimes 22/8/09 reproduced on this site 25/12/09 for the report of a witness to the aftermath -the sadism described by those who suffered it is trully distressing as is the utter destruction of villages.

1915-17: Armenian genocide: During WWI the ‘young Turks’ aimed to deport all Armenians from Anatolia to Mesopotamia—massacres, rape, kidnapping and looting accompanied the forced expulsion or DEATH MARCH along with starvation, illness, and even suicide. Eyewitness accounts verify the genocide.

The plight of the Armenians under centuries of vicious Islamic persecution is so utterly tragic. The fact that any Armenians survive is a miracle.

[Armenian Bishop]

For the Armenians the genocide of 1915 was the culmination of endless massacres and attempts at destruction as Muslim Turks took over their land and worked to completely obliterate them. Massacres, marches, enslavement, rape, torture, pillage and burning preceded this horrendous death march that Turks refuse to acknowledge even today.

In the 11th century Vaspourakan was ravaged by the Turks, and Ardzen, a wealthy city was plundered and torched with 150,000 enslaved. The Seljuk Turks then the Ottoman/Osmanli Turks carried out endless attacks.

In 1894 -1896 Turks attacked Armenian villages and massacred inhabitants (the Hamidian massacres). Massacres first occurred in Sasun, Istanbul, Trebiznd, Erurum, Urfa. The Armenians, already paying tribute to the Kurds, refused to pay further tribute to the Turkish authorities in Sasun. Turkish troops, Kurds and the Muslim population slaughtered the Sasun Armenians, raped the females, dashed children to death and burnt down villages. The Turkish commander Zeki Pasha was rewarded by the sultan (Bostom p 667).

Britain, France and Russia were upset and demanded reforms...the sultan pretended to accept watered-down reforms with many paper promises – he needed help to stave off Russian interference re the Orthodox Christian ‘dhimmi’ populations of Greeks, Serbs, and Armenians and hoped for western support.

A series of organised massacres (beginning and ending with a bugle call) occurred throughout eastern Turkey in the Armenian areas with 50,000-100,000 killed and shops etc destroyed.(Bostom p 667- 669). Preaching from mosques encouraged the attackers and promised them the rewards of Armenian property as allah decreed.

In Urfa, koranic verses were recited before people had their throats slit and women and children were burnt alive (8 thousand died) (Bostom p 669-670).

Massacres also occurred at Ayintab, Birecik, and Severek in Aleppo Province: (Aleppo city today is in Syria just S of Turkish border). The report of the British consul notes re Ayintab

“the butchers and tanners, with sleeves tucked up to the shoulders, armed with clubs and cleaves, cut down the Christians , with cries of ‘allahu akbar.’.....then when mid-day came they knelt down and said their prayers, and then jumped up and resumed their dreadful work......they fired the houses with petroleum.”..(Bostom p 670)

Soldiers and Muslims participated in the massacres at Birecik and Severek where the sexton and pastor were beheaded. (Bostom p 671)

In 1909, Armenians were massacred in Alana (S. Turkey) killing 15,000-30,000. Assyrians and Greeks were also attacked. Read the article "Slaughter of Christians in Asia Minor from the NYTimes 22/8/09 reproduced on this site 25/12/09 for the report of a witness to the aftermath -the sadism described by those who suffered it is trully distressing as is the utter destruction of villages.

1915-17: Armenian genocide: During WWI the ‘young Turks’ aimed to deport all Armenians from Anatolia to Mesopotamia—massacres, rape, kidnapping and looting accompanied the forced expulsion or DEATH MARCH along with starvation, illness, and even suicide. Eyewitness accounts verify the genocide.

The plight of the Armenians under centuries of vicious Islamic persecution is so utterly tragic. The fact that any Armenians survive is a miracle.

You know a lot about the Armenian Genocide, and it's much appreciated.

[valentinavalley2]

The main leader who carried out the genocide was a pomak in origin... shamefully another one was also Albanian, but the Albanian state didn’t participate, during those times there were a lot of “traitors” I’m not saying helping Turkey is a bad thing but it is bad when it’s to “end” a nation e.g. genocide.


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[PAGANE]

First strike against the Armenians. In 1890, 2.5 million Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire. The Russian empire supports the Armenian community and their attempts for autonomy, as it aims to weaken the Ottoman state. Due to the rapid expansion of the autonomy movement, Sultan Abdul Hamid II is taking action to retain power over the territories inhabited by Armenians.
In its attempts to spark a conflict, the High Gate has incited the Kurdish population against its Armenian neighbors. After the Kurds' massacre, the Armenians raised an uprising, which was suppressed by a regular Turkish asker and a Kurdish bashibozuk. During the suppression of the uprising in 1894, 50,000 Armenians died and many villages were set on fire. The degree of guilt of the Turkish government in these events is not well understood and is the subject of controversy, but it is undisputed that the atrocities against the Armenian community are carried out with the tacit consent of the Ottoman authorities. Two years later, Armenian revolutionaries seized the Ottoman Bank building in Constantinople to draw the international community's attention to the situation of their countrymen in the Ottoman Empire. Second strike against the Armenians. Russia and Turkey enter World War I as enemies. Turkish authorities consider Armenians in the country as Russia's "fifth column". In February 1915, all 60,000 mobilized Armenian soldiers were imprisoned in labor camps and subsequently killed. Armenians in the immediate vicinity of the front, as well as others from the interior of the country, set off on foot through the inhospitable desert lands of Syria and Mesopotamia. According to other sources, they were forcibly deported to caravans and surrounded by Turkish soldiers, after which they were killed purposefully on the road and in camps, incl. by starvation. Many Armenians have been killed and survivors of the end of the war cannot return to their homes. These Armenians emigrated to the Russian part of Armenia or Western Europe, North America and Australia. Disputes between Armenia and Turkey over the events surrounding the Armenian genocide are still pending. Armenia claims that the events that led to the pogrom against the Armenians are very well planned by the Turkish authorities and this entitles them to be classified as genocide. Turkey, on the other hand, still claims that the events of the First World War were not genocide, but that only some of the Turkish military had "gone a little further in their actions." In connection with Turkey's EU membership talks, Turkey's recognition of Armenian genocide has also been raised by renowned Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk, who said in a Turkish weekly in early 2005 that Turkey is responsible for the genocide over Armenians, killing over one million people. Genocide was the right word for deliberate and systematic action by the Ottoman Empire during World War I and shortly afterwards on the Armenian population. The Armenian genocide was characterized by massacres and forced mass deportation of more than 1,000,000 Armenians perpetrated by the Young Turks in the period 1915 and 1916. The casualties during this period are about 300,000 people The casualties during this period are about 300,000 people. In Bulgaria alone, 20,000 Armenians fled in the period 1894-1896. During the Balkan War (1912 - 1913), the number of Armenians in Bulgaria reached 35,000 and continued to grow. After the events of 1915 and 1922, another 22,000 Armenians settled in Bulgaria. Over the years, many Bulgarian Armenians have been displaced around the world, but many remain in Bulgaria.

[Annihilus]

In 1890, 2.5 million Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire

Can you back that up? The number seems to get bigger every time.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Yeah but it was done by the Jews (http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/02/kissing-kosher-ham-smearmonger-khatchig.html):


1.) Salonika was a hotbed of revolutionary Doenmeh, and otherwise Jewish, revolutionary activity.

2.) Many of the leaders of the "Young Turks" in "The Committee of Union and Progress" were Jews or crypto-Jews, and Freemasons, and many of these came from Salonika. Jewish, or crypto-Jewish leaders of the "Young Turks" included, but are by no means limited to, the following persons: Emmanual Carasso, Djavid Bey, Mustafa Kemal "Ataturk", and Dr. Nazim.

3.) The Committee of Union and Progress engaged in a conspiracy to overthrow the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire and seize control of the Empire. They planned this coup in Freemasonic lodges. They recruited conspirators into Freemasonry, and derived their leaders from Freemasonry.

4.) Judaism contains the Jewish myth of the "Amalekites". The Jewish religion compels Jews to exterminate the "Amalekites". Contemporary Jews in the Ottoman Empire referred to the Armenians as "Amalekites" and it is a long standing belief in Jewry that the Armenians are "Amalekites". The orders which the Jewish and crypto-Jewish leaders Talaat Pasha and Dr. Nazim issued for the extermination of the Armenians mirror Jewish religious commandments to "blot out" the Armenians, man, woman, and child.

5.) Zionist Jews wanted to take Palestine from the Ottoman Empire. Sultan Abdul Hamid II would not give it to them, nor would the Arabs give up their homes without a fight. Zionist Jews expected that they would have to dismember the Ottoman Empire in order to take Palestine and give it to Jewry.

6.) In 1911, correspondents for, and to, the Times of London pleaded with World Jewry to end the Jewish led destruction of Christians in the Ottoman Empire. Like our smearmonger Khatchig Mouradian, leading Jews accused those who told the truth about the Jewish role in the Armenian Genocide of Jewbaiting. Leading Jews in 1911 rebuffed the respectful pleas made in the Times to rescue the Armenians from Jewry, with proven lies and deliberate distortions. In 1915, the Jewish and crypto-Jewish leaders of the "Young Turks" exterminated 1.5 million Armenians, an act which Western Jewry was politely asked to prevent in 1911, thereby casting the guilt for the crime of the Armenian Genocide not just upon the Turks, Kurds, Armenian collaborators, Jewish financiers and Jews and crypto-Jews of Salonika, but upon World Jewry at large.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zxL6rMQ4fVqc/ (CHRISTOPHER JON BJERKNES ON THE JEWISH GENOCIDE OF THE ARMENIAN CHRISTIANS AND OTHER TOPICS)

[Ford]

Yes of course. It's a shame how two world wars and a genocide on Jews on European soil overshadowed the suffering the Armenians had to endure.

[PAGANE]

Can you back that up? The number seems to get bigger every time.

These are aggregate data for the period from 1894 to 1922. The figures of about 1,500,000 that were announced are for the period 1915-1922 and are data for the Christian Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire. We all know about the great processes of Islamization of the Christian peoples and population in the empire, including the Armenians. Much of today's Turkish population is a descendant of Islamized Armenians, resulting in a changed identity. I do not know if the number is increasing, but even to kill 1,000,000, this is genocide. Not to mention the expatriates and without right to visit their ancestors' birthplaces to this day. My husband's grandmother was a toddler when deported from her home, loaded on ships

[Annihilus]

These are aggregate data for the period from 1894 to 1922. The figures of about 1,500,000 that were announced are for the period 1915-1922 and are data for the Christian Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire. We all know about the great processes of Islamization of the Christian peoples and population in the empire, including the Armenians. Much of today's Turkish population is a descendant of Islamized Armenians, resulting in a changed identity. I do not know if the number is increasing, but even to kill 1,000,000, this is genocide. Not to mention the expatriates and without right to visit their ancestors' birthplaces to this day. My husband's grandmother was a toddler when deported from her home, loaded on ships

So what? My paternal side was deported from Greece. Bulgaria exiled a lot of Turks as recent as 1989 (I have nothing againts Bulgarians mind you). There is always more than one side to every story, for me it is just history. If non of if would have happened, none of us would exist today.

[Pine]

You are retarded. His dad only converted for marrying his mother. Kaiser Willy literally asked the Ottomans to call Jihad against the British and the French and get Turks and Arabs to attack them. He did this at the advice of his Mideast consultant Max Oppenheim.



https://www.ft.com/content/0b986f4a-8b33-11e2-8fcf-00144feabdc0

This 'Holy War' led to multiple genocides of Christian populations by the Young Turk government, these genocides included the ones against Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians all Christian groups. The aim however was supposed to be against the British.



The Russians had plans to create a new Orthodox Middle East. The Armenian and Greek Christians would've been the new leaders.

Jews were loyal to the Ottoman Empire since the beginning, they fled to Thessaloniki, which remained under Ottoman rule until 1912. They were totally anti-Greek and were fully against Russia's plan. The Muslim and Jewish quarters of Smyrna remained unscathed while the Greek and Armenian quarters burned.



You omitted the Morgenthau Plan, which explicitly wanted to wipe Germans out. The German people have this man to thank for stopping the Morgenthau plan.

https://i.imgur.com/vg0vbOi.jpg



The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.



Why do Jews think they are welcome here? This is unbridled, unrestricted, free speech.

Here is the place where you'll find like minded company, go troll there.

https://www.reddit.com/

"A Jew said something and that led to something utterly removed, which led to something else utterly removed, then more conflict happened, and the Jews are now to blame for the Armenian Genocide"

You really should've just pretended to have missed my reply.

[sean]

"A Jew said something and that led to something utterly removed, which led to something else utterly removed, then more conflict happened, and the Jews are now to blame for the Armenian Genocide"

Jews have a 2000 year ax to grind against Christianity and are trying to bring down Western Civilisation as a result. Armenian genocide was just one example.

What are the Jews doing right now? Deliberately provoking war between Christians and Muslims. They're encouraging western interventions in the Middle East, while also encouraging suicide attacks on Christians and flooding Muslims into Christian nations to provoke open civil war. Ultimately they want to weaken both religions.


You really should've just pretended to have missed my reply.

I was just correcting an intentional lie. Not my fault if you don't like it.

[PAGANE]

So what? My paternal side was deported from Greece. Bulgaria exiled a lot of Turks as recent as 1989 (I have nothing againts Bulgarians mind you). There is always more than one side to every story, for me it is just history. If non of if would have happened, none of us would exist today.


In 1989 Bulgaria did not expel them, but since they did not agree with the change of their names, they decided to leave the country and nobody killed them. Many of them returned to Bulgaria after some time. Moreover, those who stayed in Turkey retained their service and he was recognized in Turkey. They have dual citizenship and can vote in Bulgaria without living in it, which I do not find correct. even their children and grandchildren who were born in Turkey and do not even speak Bulgarian come to vote in Bulgaria-also incorrectly So do not compare the killings and expulsions of Armenians from their own lands with the events that happened in Bulgaria in the 1980s last century In 1914, following the Balkan Wars, the vast majority of the Anatolian Bulgarians were deported to Bulgaria, leaving their property behind. Yes, many things have happened, this is history and we cannot change it, but we can acknowledge the evil done and be the people who will never repeat these things

[Annihilus]

In 1989 Bulgaria did not expel them, but since they did not agree with the change of their names, they decided to leave the country and nobody killed them. Many of them returned to Bulgaria after some time. Moreover, those who stayed in Turkey retained their service and he was recognized in Turkey. They have dual citizenship and can vote in Bulgaria without living in it, which I do not find correct. even their children and grandchildren who were born in Turkey and do not even speak Bulgarian come to vote in Bulgaria-also incorrectly So do not compare the killings and expulsions of Armenians from their own lands with the events that happened in Bulgaria in the 1980s last century In 1914, following the Balkan Wars, the vast majority of the Anatolian Bulgarians were deported to Bulgaria, leaving their property behind. Yes, many things have happened, this is history and we cannot change it, but we can acknowledge the evil done and be the people who will never repeat these things

Please know your own history a bit better.

During the Russo-Ottoman war in 1877-1878, the number of Turks was halved from 1.6 million to 800,000 through flight, expulsion and killing.

During the Balkan wars (1912-1914) about 150,000 Turks were either expelled or killed in the territories annexed by Bulgaria.

Late 1984 and early 1985 the names of 800,000 people were Bulgarianised, that is, replaced with Slavic and Christian names, seen as Bulgarian.

In the summer of 1989, between May 30th and August 22nd, Bulgaria unilaterally expelled 360,000 Bulgarian citizens to neighbouring Turkey.

Bulgaria has committed large scale ethnic cleansing. You should be the last one to talk about what Turks did.

Remember I said my paternal side was expelled from Greece? Well before that they were expelled or fled from Bulgaria. My dad is almost full Bulgarian genetically.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Annihilus; 6236644] Моля, запознайте малко собствената си история.

По време на Руско-османската война през 1877-1878 г. броят на турците е намален наполовина от 1,6 милиона на 800 000 чрез бягство, прогонване и убиване.

По време на Балканските войни (1912-1914 г.) около 150 000 турци са били изгонени или убити на анексираните от България територии.

В края на 1984 г. и началото на 1985 г. имената на 800 000 души са българизирани, тоест заменени със славянски и християнски имена, разглеждани като български.

През лятото на 1989 г., между 30 май и 22 август, България едностранно прогони 360 000 български граждани в съседна Турция.

България извърши мащабно етническо прочистване. Трябва да си последният, който говори за това, което са направили турците.

Спомняте ли си, че казах, че бащината ми страна е изгонена от Гърция? Много преди това те бяха изгонени или избягали от България. Баща ми е почти пълен български генетично. [/ ЦИТОВЕ]


And the expelled Turks from the time after the Liberation of Bulgaria in 1878. until 1914 is it equal to the deliberate destruction of my people for 500 years through physical extermination and Islamization and the subsequent change of identity ?! And I am talking only about the Bulgarians, and this happened with all the Christian peoples of the Balkans, who had the misfortune to fall under the Ottomans' dependence. The Turks in Bulgaria after the War of 1877-78 who wanted to stay and not live in the Omani empire stayed and lived. Many of them fought for Bulgaria in the coming wars from the beginning of the 20th century. In 1878. Between 200 and 300 thousand were Bulgarian refugees from Edirne and White Sea Thrace and from all over Macedonia, who remained in the Ottoman Empire at that time. At the same time, a huge wave of Turks, Circassians and Tatars are leaving the villages and leaving for Turkey. In 1903, over 150,000 people were expelled from Aegean and Vardar Macedonia, still under the Ottomans. The biggest refugee wave towards Bulgaria is after the Inter-Allied War of 1913. over 350,000.
The names of the Turks in Bulgaria, which were changed in 1984. were returned in 1989. Today, everyone has Muslim names. And for 500 years of Islamization, suppose how many of these Turks in Bulgaria are really Turks, not descendants of Islamized Bulgarians.?! To remind of the mass Islamization of the Rhodope Mountains and the population that today professes Islam, but speaks to the Bulgarian Pomaks.

[Annihilus]

[QUOTE = Annihilus; 6236644] Моля, запознайте малко собствената си история.

По време на Руско-османската война през 1877-1878 г. броят на турците е намален наполовина от 1,6 милиона на 800 000 чрез бягство, прогонване и убиване.

По време на Балканските войни (1912-1914 г.) около 150 000 турци са били изгонени или убити на анексираните от България територии.

В края на 1984 г. и началото на 1985 г. имената на 800 000 души са българизирани, тоест заменени със славянски и християнски имена, разглеждани като български.

През лятото на 1989 г., между 30 май и 22 август, България едностранно прогони 360 000 български граждани в съседна Турция.

България извърши мащабно етническо прочистване. Трябва да си последният, който говори за това, което са направили турците.

Спомняте ли си, че казах, че бащината ми страна е изгонена от Гърция? Много преди това те бяха изгонени или избягали от България. Баща ми е почти пълен български генетично. [/ ЦИТОВЕ]


And the expelled Turks from the time after the Liberation of Bulgaria in 1878. until 1914 is it equal to the deliberate destruction of my people for 500 years through physical extermination and Islamization and the subsequent change of identity ?! And I am talking only about the Bulgarians, and this happened with all the Christian peoples of the Balkans, who had the misfortune to fall under the Ottomans' dependence. The Turks in Bulgaria after the War of 1877-78 who wanted to stay and not live in the Omani empire stayed and lived. Many of them fought for Bulgaria in the coming wars from the beginning of the 20th century. In 1878. Between 200 and 300 thousand were Bulgarian refugees from Edirne and White Sea Thrace and from all over Macedonia, who remained in the Ottoman Empire at that time. At the same time, a huge wave of Turks, Circassians and Tatars are leaving the villages and leaving for Turkey. In 1903, over 150,000 people were expelled from Aegean and Vardar Macedonia, still under the Ottomans. The biggest refugee wave towards Bulgaria is after the Inter-Allied War of 1913. over 350,000.
The names of the Turks in Bulgaria, which were changed in 1984. were returned in 1989. Today, everyone has Muslim names. And for 500 years of Islamization, suppose how many of these Turks in Bulgaria are really Turks, not descendants of Islamized Bulgarians.?! To remind of the mass Islamization of the Rhodope Mountains and the population that today professes Islam, but speaks to the Bulgarian Pomaks.

Bulgarians were Christianified at one point, do you honestly think the common people had anything to say in that? How is Christianization any different from Islamization?

And I don't mind being part Bulgarian, because Bulgars.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Annihilus; 6236726] Българите бяха християнизирани в един момент, наистина ли смятате, че обикновените хора имаха какво да кажат в това? По какъв начин християнизацията се различава от ислямизацията?

И аз нямам нищо против да бъда част от българина, защото българите. [/ ЦИТАТ]

The Christianization of the Bulgarians begins with their arrival in the Balkans and this is a gradual process, but inevitable because they enter into close relations and contacts with Byzantium, the local Christianized and Romanized to the 7th century Thracian population and the Slavs, especially those in the western Balkans, Macedonia and the area around Thessaloniki. The most important point is the admission of Christianity as the official state religion in the mid-9th century, dictated by political reasons. Then it is more a political act than a purely religious one. You ask me in what way is Christianization different from Islamization? Well, because there is no change in ethnic identification. You can be a Christian and stay Bulgarian, Serb, Greek, and more.