Western-Central Mexico

[Carlito's Way]

this one is from the most euro region of Jalisco, which is Los Altos de Jalisco, people who are less than 10% Amerindian are common there

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.19
2 West_Med 23.4
3 East_Med 14.54
4 Baltic 10.21
5 Amerindian 7.1
6 Red_Sea 3.64
7 Northeast_African 2.7
8 West_Asian 1.43
9 Siberian 1.35
10 Oceanian 0.22
11 Sub-Saharan 0.17
12 South_Asian 0.05
13 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 8.76
2 Spanish_Extremadura 9.08
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.27
4 Spanish_Galicia 9.75
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.86
6 Spanish_Valencia 10.52
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.86
8 Spanish_Andalucia 10.86
9 Spanish_Cataluna 10.88
10 North_Italian 11.56
11 Spanish_Cantabria 11.91
12 Spanish_Aragon 12.89
13 Southwest_French 13.43
14 French 13.71
15 Tuscan 15.45
16 West_German 18.55
17 South_Dutch 18.87
18 Romanian 20.68
19 West_Sicilian 20.97
20 Serbian 21.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Portuguese + 7.6% Pima @ 2.51
2 91.4% Portuguese + 8.6% North_Amerindian @ 2.6
3 92.2% Portuguese + 7.8% Mayan @ 2.63
4 93.2% Portuguese + 6.8% Karitiana @ 2.64
5 92.2% Spanish_Murcia + 7.8% Pima @ 3.25
6 91.2% Spanish_Murcia + 8.8% North_Amerindian @ 3.3
7 90.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 9.4% North_Amerindian @ 3.32
8 92% Spanish_Murcia + 8% Mayan @ 3.4
9 93% Spanish_Murcia + 7% Karitiana @ 3.44
10 91.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 8.6% North_Amerindian @ 3.44
11 91.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 8.2% Pima @ 3.55
12 92.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.5% Pima @ 3.58
13 91.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 8.5% Mayan @ 3.7
14 93.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.8% Karitiana @ 3.75
15 92.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 7.4% Karitiana @ 3.79
16 92.3% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.7% Mayan @ 3.79
17 92.1% Spanish_Galicia + 7.9% Pima @ 4.15
18 91% Spanish_Galicia + 9% North_Amerindian @ 4.21
19 92.9% Spanish_Galicia + 7.1% Karitiana @ 4.23
20 91.8% Spanish_Galicia + 8.2% Mayan @ 4.26

[Carlito's Way]

this one is from the most populated region of Michoacan, its also where the least amerindian admix people tend to live

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.11
2 West_Med 23.13
3 East_Med 18.87
4 Amerindian 6.54
5 Baltic 6.05
6 Red_Sea 5.35
7 Northeast_African 2.85
8 West_Asian 1.47
9 Oceanian 1.21
10 Siberian 0.25
11 Sub-Saharan 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 10.52
2 Spanish_Murcia 10.72
3 Portuguese 10.77
4 North_Italian 11.5
5 Spanish_Andalucia 11.96
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.08
7 Spanish_Valencia 12.24
8 Spanish_Galicia 12.28
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.74
10 Spanish_Cataluna 13.36
11 Tuscan 13.4
12 Spanish_Aragon 14.57
13 Spanish_Cantabria 14.7
14 Southwest_French 16.84
15 French 17.24
16 West_Sicilian 18.04
17 Italian_Abruzzo 19.3
18 Greek_Thessaly 20.65
19 West_German 22.38
20 East_Sicilian 22.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.7% Spanish_Murcia + 7.3% Pima @ 6.95
2 93.4% Spanish_Murcia + 6.6% Karitiana @ 6.96
3 92.4% Spanish_Murcia + 7.6% Mayan @ 6.97
4 92.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.1% Pima @ 7.02
5 93.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.4% Karitiana @ 7.03
6 92.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.3% Mayan @ 7.08
7 92.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.9% North_Amerindian @ 7.14
8 91.8% Spanish_Murcia + 8.2% North_Amerindian @ 7.16
9 93.5% Portuguese + 6.5% Karitiana @ 7.28
10 92.6% Portuguese + 7.4% Mayan @ 7.3
11 92.9% Portuguese + 7.1% Pima @ 7.3
12 92.1% Portuguese + 7.9% North_Amerindian @ 7.5
13 86.8% Spanish_Murcia + 13.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.6
14 83.8% Spanish_Murcia + 16.2% Egyptian @ 7.67
15 79.4% Spanish_Murcia + 20.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 7.75
16 91.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 8.1% Pima @ 7.82
17 86.9% Spanish_Murcia + 13.1% Saudi @ 7.84
18 84.5% Spanish_Murcia + 15.5% Bedouin @ 7.84
19 92.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 7.3% Karitiana @ 7.85
20 84.4% Spanish_Murcia + 15.6% Palestinian @ 7.85

[Zuh]

Basically all Southern Spanish admixture.

[Carlito's Way]

another one from Michoacan, also from the same region as the guy above

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.48
2 West_Med 23.36
3 East_Med 18.73
4 Amerindian 10.22
5 Baltic 7.37
6 West_Asian 4.2
7 Red_Sea 2.18
8 Northeast_African 1.99
9 Sub-Saharan 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 13.03
2 Spanish_Extremadura 13.99
3 Portuguese 14.28
4 Spanish_Murcia 14.37
5 Tuscan 14.42
6 Spanish_Andalucia 15.04
7 Spanish_Valencia 15.27
8 Spanish_Galicia 15.58
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.65
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.02
11 Spanish_Cataluna 16.18
12 Spanish_Cantabria 17.53
13 Spanish_Aragon 17.93
14 West_Sicilian 18.25
15 Italian_Abruzzo 19.03
16 Southwest_French 19.12
17 French 19.28
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.72
19 Romanian 21.59
20 East_Sicilian 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.1% North_Italian + 9.9% Karitiana @ 4.96
2 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% Mayan @ 5.03
3 89.2% North_Italian + 10.8% Pima @ 5.17
4 88.2% North_Italian + 11.8% North_Amerindian @ 6.22
5 88.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.1% Pima @ 6.59
6 89.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 10.1% Karitiana @ 6.59
7 87.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.1% Pima @ 6.62
8 88.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.5% Mayan @ 6.64
9 89.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 10.9% Karitiana @ 6.64
10 88.1% Spanish_Murcia + 11.9% Mayan @ 6.73
11 87.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.5% Mayan @ 6.73
12 88.6% Spanish_Murcia + 11.4% Pima @ 6.75
13 89.7% Spanish_Murcia + 10.3% Karitiana @ 6.75
14 88.3% Portuguese + 11.7% Mayan @ 6.95
15 89.8% Portuguese + 10.2% Karitiana @ 6.96
16 88.8% Portuguese + 11.2% Pima @ 7.01
17 87.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.3% North_Amerindian @ 7.12
18 88% Spanish_Valencia + 12% Pima @ 7.26
19 87.6% Spanish_Valencia + 12.4% Mayan @ 7.29
20 86.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.3% North_Amerindian @ 7.29

[Carlito's Way]

Basically all Southern Spanish admixture.

yup, i told you, there is hardly anyone being shifted towards basques/southwest france because they never contributed genetically only in certain areas of mexico but like i said, most basque surnames came via southern spaniards and central spaniards and not from basques themselves

[Carlito's Way]

another from michoacan, from the same region as those two other michoacanos

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 25.76
2 North_Atlantic 24.46
3 East_Med 16.69
4 Baltic 9.46
5 Amerindian 9.15
6 West_Asian 6.7
7 Red_Sea 3.15
8 Northeast_African 2.24
9 Oceanian 0.93
10 East_Asian 0.6
11 Siberian 0.5
12 Sub-Saharan 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 12.93
2 Tuscan 13.27
3 West_Sicilian 15.87
4 Greek_Thessaly 16.06
5 Spanish_Extremadura 16.16
6 Portuguese 16.56
7 Italian_Abruzzo 16.76
8 Spanish_Andalucia 17.2
9 Spanish_Galicia 17.39
10 Spanish_Murcia 17.4
11 Spanish_Valencia 18.11
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.34
13 Central_Greek 18.54
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 18.59
15 East_Sicilian 18.68
16 Bulgarian 18.88
17 Spanish_Cataluna 18.89
18 Romanian 18.98
19 South_Italian 19.7
20 Spanish_Cantabria 19.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% North_Italian + 11.2% Mayan @ 4.96
2 89.3% North_Italian + 10.7% Pima @ 5.17
3 90.3% North_Italian + 9.7% Karitiana @ 5.29
4 88% North_Italian + 12% North_Amerindian @ 5.57
5 89% Tuscan + 11% Mayan @ 6.35
6 89.6% Tuscan + 10.4% Pima @ 6.63
7 90.6% Tuscan + 9.4% Karitiana @ 6.71
8 88.4% Tuscan + 11.6% North_Amerindian @ 7.09
9 87.7% North_Italian + 12.3% East_Greenlander @ 8.57
10 86.5% North_Italian + 13.5% West_Greenlander @ 8.81
11 88.3% Tuscan + 11.7% East_Greenlander @ 9.65
12 87% Tuscan + 13% West_Greenlander @ 9.68
13 87.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 12.9% North_Amerindian @ 10.11
14 88.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.8% Mayan @ 10.18
15 88.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.3% Pima @ 10.19
16 86.1% North_Italian + 13.9% MA-1 @ 10.33
17 86.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.9% North_Amerindian @ 10.36
18 87.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.3% Pima @ 10.38
19 87.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.7% Mayan @ 10.39
20 89.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 10.1% Karitiana @ 10.41

[Carlito's Way]

i will post more later when im not too busy, and i will post those from different amerindian percentage, not just the low amerindian admix ones but also the ones who are 50-60% amerindian

[Leto]

i will post more later when im not too busy, and i will post those from different amerindian percentage, not just the low amerindian admix ones but also the ones who are 50-60% amerindian
What is your estimation of how many Mexicans are 80% European and more and how many are 80% Amerindian and more?

[Carlito's Way]

What is your estimation of how many Mexicans are 80% European and more and how many are 80% Amerindian and more?

i have no idea to be honest with you
its hard to guess but both have to be around the same range

[GiCa]

Why do some get north italian as first?

Might be that the eastern shift? Althought Italians are not eastern shifted in a native sense

[Carlito's Way]

Why do some get north italian as first?

Might be that the eastern shift? Althought Italians are not eastern shifted in a native sense

i think its because north italians score more middle eastern compared to Spaniards even southern Spaniards so it gets shifted to that direction

[Leto]

I've found an interesting Mexican guy. He looks quite European to me despite being around 30% non-Caucasoid.


https://youtu.be/5jLvOywSlls

69.1% European
24.7% East Asian & Native American
1.9% Western Asian & North African
1.4% Sub-Saharan African
2.9% unassigned

For more details watch the video

[steven tipton]

Question, Whats with the high italian percentage in jalisco ..it seems very clear across the board

[Erronkari]

Very interesting!
It seems that they should have an important sephardic jewish contribution.
Except the first, others have clearly more East Med % than regular iberians!
Or the reason of that should be another?

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Cool results, they score so high North Italian and there is one person that scored even greeks before iberians! Mexico's caucasian admixture always shows peculiar traits and thats not because of recent immigration like the situation of Argentina.

[Zuh]

Cool results, they score so high North Italian and there is one person that scored even greeks before iberians! Mexico's caucasian admixture always shows peculiar traits and thats not because of recent immigration like the situation of Argentina.

I think east med /Italian is actually real Jewish ancestry in mexicans

[Erronkari]

I think east med /Italian is actually real Jewish ancestry in mexicans

It's exactly what I thought...

[Carlito's Way]

I think east med /Italian is actually real Jewish ancestry in mexicans

Not always the case, remember, there were many Italians who came with the Spanish to colonize Mexico
Northeastern Mexicans have colonial Italian ancestry from those Italian settlers

In most cases, yes it comes from the Jewish ancestry
in other cases, it is actual Italian heritage

there were also Greeks in colonial Mexico as well

[Carlito's Way]

Question, Whats with the high italian percentage in jalisco ..it seems very clear across the board

I am working on a spreadsheet that I gathered from 23andMe
that one is much better when it comes to Italian ancestry

the ones coming out with noticeable Italian ancestry are Northeastern Mexicans

[Carlito's Way]

Cool results, they score so high North Italian and there is one person that scored even greeks before iberians! Mexico's caucasian admixture always shows peculiar traits and thats not because of recent immigration like the situation of Argentina.

because Mexico had the most diverse colonial population unlike other Latin Americans which consisted of 99% Iberians
in Mexico, the Spanish had brought with them Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, French to colonize Mexico

Colonial Mexico was the most diverse nation in the world
it had a diverse European population, it had an Asian population, an African population, there were Jews and even Romani

[steven tipton]

yea my moms sister did an ancestry test it came out with 9% italian, also 6% french they have roots in jalisco..
you think that can be actual italian ancestry or just a mix

[steven tipton]

damn were southern spanish..that sucks.. what about bajio region "aguascalientes, jalisco, and guanajuato"..
is it primarily south ..

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I think east med /Italian is actually real Jewish ancestry in mexicans

After Argentina for obvious reasons, Mexico shows the second most east shifted caucasian input in Latin America! I really would like to know more about the exodus of jewish families to New Spain and why this happened. The most east shifted caucasian input seems to be find on:

1)Argentina
2)Mexico
3)DR
4)PR
5)Cuba or Venezuela?

I think many Central Americans can be in this top5 since they were part of New Spain, but they have few results and its rare to find good information about them. But Honduras, El Savador, Nicaragua and Guatemala could easily change this top5 a lot.

Interesting how the Brazil and Uruguay despite the big italian immigration dont have east shifted results, I suppose thats because the Northeast Italian ancestry plot inside the Southern French, Iberian or Swiss clusters.