New Lebanese Muslim result. 15% West/Northern European input!

[Haider]

100% Beiruti Sunni. 15% of combined North/West European (Atlantic, Baltic, North Sea, East Euro) input. This is the second Sunni result I see that comes out like this. I know that I used to think that Shiites were more European on average and they are (around 10%), but Sunnis definitely have the most outlying ones, probably due to historical reasons. She's also very West Asian/Anatolian influenced.

https://i.imgur.com/venrKBrl.jpg

Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.64
2 West_Asian 23.76
3 Atlantic 10.02
4 Red_Sea 9.87
5 West_Med 6.12
6 Baltic 3.29
7 Northeast_African 1.94
8 North_Sea 1.82
9 Sub-Saharan 1.27
10 Oceanian 1.02
11 Amerindian 0.45
12 South_Asian 0.44
13 Eastern_Euro 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 5.7
2 Syrian 8.63
3 Iranian_Jewish 10
4 Assyrian 10.22
5 Cyprian 10.36
6 Kurdish_Jewish 10.5
7 Lebanese_Christian 11.44
8 Lebanese_Druze 11.56
9 Jordanian 11.97
10 Samaritan 12.43
11 Palestinian 12.67
12 Georgian_Jewish 12.78
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.13
14 Turkish 13.32
15 Sephardic_Jewish 14.42
16 Armenian 15.47
17 Azeri 15.62
18 Kurdish 16.46
19 Bedouin 16.53
20 Libyan_Jewish 16.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% North_Ossetian @ 5.4
2 95% Lebanese_Muslim + 5% Adygei @ 5.44
3 95.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.6% Kabardin @ 5.47
4 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Chechen @ 5.48
5 95.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.7% Georgian @ 5.48
6 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Abhkasian @ 5.5
7 95.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.3% Balkar @ 5.5
8 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Turkish @ 5.51
9 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% La_Brana-1 @ 5.51
10 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Ossetian @ 5.51
11 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% Kumyk @ 5.52
12 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% North_German @ 5.53
13 97.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.6% Irish @ 5.53
14 91.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.6% Azeri @ 5.54
15 96.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.9% Lezgin @ 5.54
16 97.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.5% West_Scottish @ 5.55
17 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% French_Basque @ 5.55
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Austrian @ 5.55
19 92.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.6% Kurdish @ 5.56
20 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% Southeast_English @ 5.57

[Wrong]

Crusader blood.

[StonyArabia]

Crusader admix, and again showing the brutality of the Crusades

[Bobby Martnen]

Why would Crusaders mix with Moslems, though? It makes no sense

[Wrong]

Crusader admix, and again showing the brutality of the Crusades
Nope. Many of them can be recent converts during Osman rule.

[Bosniensis]

Yeah she is mixed, but still cute.. I like her.

[Haider]

I think it gotta be more than just Crusader input, considering Shiites/Druzes usually score 10% North/West Euro at most, but some Sunnis like her can score up to 15%. I suspect there might be some post-Crusade, Ottoman era input as well.

[Tacitus]

I think it gotta be more than just Crusader input, considering Shiites/Druzes usually score 10% North/West Euro at most, but some Sunnis like her can score up to 15%. I suspect there might be some post-Crusade, Ottoman era input as well.

Bushnak blood.

[Aren]

Oh and here I though she would score high North Sea and Baltic indicating actual Northern Euro input

[Sikeliot]

High Atlantic implies to me something from France or Italy -- probably Italo-Norman input.

If it was Bosniak or Greek there would be inflated "Baltic" associated with it that is not showing up.

To me, the highlighted here are the most telling:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% North_Ossetian @ 5.4
2 95% Lebanese_Muslim + 5% Adygei @ 5.44
3 95.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.6% Kabardin @ 5.47
4 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Chechen @ 5.48
5 95.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.7% Georgian @ 5.48
6 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Abhkasian @ 5.5
7 95.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.3% Balkar @ 5.5
8 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Turkish @ 5.51
9 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% La_Brana-1 @ 5.51
10 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Ossetian @ 5.51
11 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% Kumyk @ 5.52
12 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% North_German @ 5.53
13 97.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.6% Irish @ 5.53
14 91.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.6% Azeri @ 5.54
15 96.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.9% Lezgin @ 5.54
16 97.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.5% West_Scottish @ 5.55
17 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% French_Basque @ 5.55
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Austrian @ 5.55
19 92.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.6% Kurdish @ 5.56
20 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% Southeast_English @ 5.57

[Lucas]

100% Beiruti Sunni. 15% of combined North/West European (Atlantic, Baltic, North Sea, East Euro) input. This is the second Sunni result I see that comes out like this. I know that I used to think that Shiites were more European on average and they are (around 10%), but Sunnis definitely have the most outlying ones, probably due to historical reasons. She's also very West Asian/Anatolian influenced.

https://i.imgur.com/venrKBrl.jpg

Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.64
2 West_Asian 23.76
3 Atlantic 10.02
4 Red_Sea 9.87
5 West_Med 6.12
6 Baltic 3.29
7 Northeast_African 1.94
8 North_Sea 1.82
9 Sub-Saharan 1.27
10 Oceanian 1.02
11 Amerindian 0.45
12 South_Asian 0.44
13 Eastern_Euro 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 5.7
2 Syrian 8.63
3 Iranian_Jewish 10
4 Assyrian 10.22
5 Cyprian 10.36
6 Kurdish_Jewish 10.5
7 Lebanese_Christian 11.44
8 Lebanese_Druze 11.56
9 Jordanian 11.97
10 Samaritan 12.43
11 Palestinian 12.67
12 Georgian_Jewish 12.78
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.13
14 Turkish 13.32
15 Sephardic_Jewish 14.42
16 Armenian 15.47
17 Azeri 15.62
18 Kurdish 16.46
19 Bedouin 16.53
20 Libyan_Jewish 16.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% North_Ossetian @ 5.4
2 95% Lebanese_Muslim + 5% Adygei @ 5.44
3 95.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.6% Kabardin @ 5.47
4 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Chechen @ 5.48
5 95.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.7% Georgian @ 5.48
6 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Abhkasian @ 5.5
7 95.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.3% Balkar @ 5.5
8 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Turkish @ 5.51
9 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% La_Brana-1 @ 5.51
10 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Ossetian @ 5.51
11 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% Kumyk @ 5.52
12 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% North_German @ 5.53
13 97.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.6% Irish @ 5.53
14 91.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.6% Azeri @ 5.54
15 96.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.9% Lezgin @ 5.54
16 97.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.5% West_Scottish @ 5.55
17 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% French_Basque @ 5.55
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Austrian @ 5.55
19 92.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.6% Kurdish @ 5.56
20 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% Southeast_English @ 5.57

Nope. Look at oracle. 95% Lebanese everywhere (or more). So most of her NA percentages are indigenous to Lebanese muslims.

[Sikeliot]

Nope. Look at oracle. 95% Lebanese everywhere (or more). So most of her NA percentages are indigenous to Lebanese muslims.


"Lebanese Muslim" reference has about 5% more NW European than does the Christian one.

[StonyArabia]

I think it gotta be more than just Crusader input, considering Shiites/Druzes usually score 10% North/West Euro at most, but some Sunnis like her can score up to 15%. I suspect there might be some post-Crusade, Ottoman era input as well.

You are forgetting the Mamlukes. The Mamlukes often came from the Volga-Ural and the Kavkaz region. They also dominated most of the Levant

[Methuselah]

Crusader admix, and again showing the brutality of the Crusades

What about Kurds. I see some of them having slightly Northern European looks. Might be Russian too, not sure... Does it come from crusades too? Or from slavic input in Turkey? I met one Iraqi born Kurdish girl, she looked like pre drug era Amy Winehouse so much.

[Aren]

People are so easily fooled. Look at her low West Med, most of it has gone to the Atlantic component which is related to West Med.

[Kamal900]

You are forgetting the Mamlukes. The Mamlukes often came from the Volga-Ural and the Kavkaz region. They also dominated most of the Levant

The Atlantic genetic component is western or north-western European. I suspect that it was mostly migrants that were brought over to the Levant during the Crusaders and beyond. Not necessarily soldiers but peasants or common folk.

[Sikeliot]

People are so easily fooled. Look at her low West Med, most of it has gone to the Atlantic component which is related to West Med.

West Med is usually low for Lebanese anyway.

[StonyArabia]

What about Kurds. I see some of them having slightly Northern European looks. Might be Russian too, not sure... Does it come from crusades too? Or from slavic input in Turkey? I met one Iraqi born Kurdish girl, she looked like pre drug era Amy Winehouse so much.

In the case of the Kurds, it's Aryan ancestry. The original Aryans were like the Balto-Slavic people. The most southern Aryan groups that went to Iran intermarried with Mesopotamians and Dravidians. It can also be recent Slavic/Balkan ancestry. However most often it's Aryan ancestry in the Kurds. The Crusaders did not make it in Iraq, because the Turkmen rulers often clashed heavily with them especially during the rule of the Turkmen Zengid dynasty. The Crusader impact was significant in the Levant. However many of the European like admix could be also from the Mamlukes as well. Only Qutuz and Shajar Al-Durr were different from other Mamlukes. Qutuz being of Persian descent and Shajar Al-Durr could have been a Syrian Bedouin, the rest were Kipchaks from the steppes of Ukraine and the Caucasus. Even the Circassian Mamlukes, who would take over from the Kipchaks, would use Kipchak language, but they would be patron of Arab culture and civilization. The Mamlukes would rule the Levant for quite a while. Mamlukes also often intermarried with notable Arab tribes to place legitimacy upon themselves, for example many of their wives were from the Ghassanid clan that converted to Islam during that time.

[Aren]

West Med is usually low for Lebanese anyway.

It’s not particularly difficult to check the Lebanese average on the K15 spreadsheet, you’ll notice they score around 10% West Med. This woman scores 6% but higher Atlantic than the average, everything else is pretty normal.

[Meerkat]

High Atlantic implies to me something from France or Italy -- probably Italo-Norman input.

If it was Bosniak or Greek there would be inflated "Baltic" associated with it that is not showing up.

To me, the highlighted here are the most telling:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% North_Ossetian @ 5.4
2 95% Lebanese_Muslim + 5% Adygei @ 5.44
3 95.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.6% Kabardin @ 5.47
4 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Chechen @ 5.48
5 95.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.7% Georgian @ 5.48
6 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Abhkasian @ 5.5
7 95.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.3% Balkar @ 5.5
8 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Turkish @ 5.51
9 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% La_Brana-1 @ 5.51
10 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Ossetian @ 5.51
11 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% Kumyk @ 5.52
12 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% North_German @ 5.53
13 97.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.6% Irish @ 5.53
14 91.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.6% Azeri @ 5.54
15 96.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.9% Lezgin @ 5.54
16 97.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.5% West_Scottish @ 5.55
17 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% French_Basque @ 5.55
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Austrian @ 5.55
19 92.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.6% Kurdish @ 5.56
20 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% Southeast_English @ 5.57


What about Kurds. I see some of them having slightly Northern European looks. Might be Russian too, not sure... Does it come from crusades too? Or from slavic input in Turkey? I met one Iraqi born Kurdish girl, she looked like pre drug era Amy Winehouse so much.

Amy Winehouse doesn't look Northern European.

And it could just be recessive genes and/or distant NW European ancestry. A lot of Druze people look Northwestern European due to genetic isolation; it doesn't really have to do with Northern European ancestry.

But if you think Amy Winehouse looks Northern European, then I think it makes sense that a lot of MENAs look Northern European to you.

[StonyArabia]

Amy Winehouse doesn't look Northern European.

And it could just be recessive genes and/or distant NW European ancestry. A lot of Druze people look Northwestern European due to genetic isolation; it doesn't really have to do with Northern European ancestry.

But if you think Amy Winehouse looks Northern European, then I think it makes sense that a lot of MENAs look Northern European to you.

Druze are actually quite diverse. Druze can be dark as Bedouins. No they don't look Northwest European rofl. If they look anything they look more similar to people of the Caucasus when they are light. Druze also were a religious movement that originated from Shia Ismaili Islam, however it drifted away, and originally it did not gain following in Egypt, thus it went to the mountain areas of the Levant. Not to mention the Druze even have small amount of Persian and Kurdish admix. The Druze also had conflict within themselves between the Qasi(Ishamelite) and Yemeni factions.

[Sikeliot]

Druze are actually quite diverse. Druze can be dark as Bedouins. No they don't look Northwest European rofl. If they look anything they look more similar to people of the Caucasus when they are light. Druze also were a religious movement that originated from Shia Ismaili Islam, however it drifted away, and originally it did not gain following in Egypt, thus it went to the mountain areas of the Levant. Not to mention the Druze even have small amount of Persian and Kurdish admix. The Druze also had conflict within themselves between the Qasi(Ishamelite) and Yemeni factions.


Druze can look Western European.

[Kamal900]

Druze are actually quite diverse. Druze can be dark as Bedouins. No they don't look Northwest European rofl. If they look anything they look more similar to people of the Caucasus when they are light. Druze also were a religious movement that originated from Shia Ismaili Islam, however it drifted away, and originally it did not gain following in Egypt, thus it went to the mountain areas of the Levant. Not to mention the Druze even have small amount of Persian and Kurdish admix. The Druze also had conflict within themselves between the Qasi(Ishamelite) and Yemeni factions.

I remember of me talking to a Druze from Syria who claimed that he's from Banui Judham, an Arabian tribe from modern day Saudi Arabia. But then again, pretty much most Levantines have Arabian blood in them including myself be it little or a lot, or from different time periods be it ancient or recent.

[Kamal900]

Druze can look Western European.

Lol, never. If anything, they can look somewhat Southern Italian or Balkanic to some degree. Most look wither straight up levantine or west asians excluding Turks.

[Sikeliot]

Lol, never. If anything, they can look somewhat Southern Italian or Balkanic to some degree. Most look wither straight up levantine or west asians excluding Turks.

When I say western European I mean Spanish, French, etc. not Irish or Swedish.

[Kamal900]

When I say western European I mean Spanish, French, etc. not Irish or Swedish.

Hmm, not sure about that. I mean, my big brother can pass for Spanish or French, and he's not even a Druze.

[Hashoeva]

Amy Winehouse doesn't look Northern European.

And it could just be recessive genes and/or distant NW European ancestry. A lot of Druze people look Northwestern European due to genetic isolation; it doesn't really have to do with Northern European ancestry.

But if you think Amy Winehouse looks Northern European, then I think it makes sense that a lot of MENAs look Northern European to you. most druze people look no way like north-west european people. wtf have you been smoking. genetic isolation? it doesnt make any sense. they look mostly like other levant people.

[Nurzat]

nice rug on the wall. we could put it on the floor and jump on it to.. you know.. xD

[Meerkat]

Druze are actually quite diverse. Druze can be dark as Bedouins. No they don't look Northwest European rofl. If they look anything they look more similar to people of the Caucasus when they are light. Druze also were a religious movement that originated from Shia Ismaili Islam, however it drifted away, and originally it did not gain following in Egypt, thus it went to the mountain areas of the Levant. Not to mention the Druze even have small amount of Persian and Kurdish admix. The Druze also had conflict within themselves between the Qasi(Ishamelite) and Yemeni factions.

I said SOME Druze look Western European. Not all or most. If you look through this thread you'll see some faces that are passable in Western Europe http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/6204460/1/.

Chirine Njeim is a Lebanese Druze and she could pass for German:

https://i.imgur.com/45HKrXm.jpg

[Meerkat]

most druze people look no way like north-west european people. wtf have you been smoking. genetic isolation? it doesnt make any sense. they look mostly like other levant people.

Yes they do mostly look like other Levant people, but genetic isolation increases the chance of Western Euro traits showing up. That's all. There are non-Druze Lebanese people who could pass for French so idk why it's weird to say that some Druze people (though a minority) can pass in Western Europe.

[happycow]

Interesting. Those results are very similar to my k13 results. My k15 is slightly different though.

[Methuselah]

Amy Winehouse doesn't look Northern European.

And it could just be recessive genes and/or distant NW European ancestry. A lot of Druze people look Northwestern European due to genetic isolation; it doesn't really have to do with Northern European ancestry.

But if you think Amy Winehouse looks Northern European, then I think it makes sense that a lot of MENAs look Northern European to you.

Come on... I said slightly Northern looks. Like i don't know how Northern Europeans look like. Amy seems to have some Polish Jewish roots (whatever that includes in her case). But she looks a bit Russian or even Northern as well. http://www.2oceansvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/3416A13400000578-0-image-m-2_1463069714274.jpg She has very visible Middle Eastern traits (gives even some Arab vibes) and very visible European traits. She looks more like Jewish or Kurdish of course than European or Northern European.

P.S. I gotta say that she fits in Europe but wrote that she doesn't just in case so i won't piss you off...

[Lucas]

nice

[Pulsa Dinura]

Chirine Njeim is a Lebanese Druze and she could pass for German:

https://i.imgur.com/45HKrXm.jpg

Not that it matters but she is Maronite.

[itilvolga]

woah she looks so damn Anatolian

[Sikeliot]

I said SOME Druze look Western European. Not all or most. If you look through this thread you'll see some faces that are passable in Western Europe http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/6204460/1/.

Chirine Njeim is a Lebanese Druze and she could pass for German:

https://i.imgur.com/45HKrXm.jpg

She doesn't look particularly German but she would fit fine in France, Spain, northern Italy and so on.

[Ibericus]

stop with the crusader bullshit..the average for Lebanese Muslims is a total combined of 11% for these components, so 15% is within the normal range.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

stop with the crusader bullshit..the average for Lebanese Muslims is a total combined of 11% for these components, so 15% is within the normal range.

Indeed, there's nothing North European in this Lebanese result.

[happycow]

Like I said earlier in the thread her mixed mode is similar to my k13. If its due to crusaders then couldn't such a thing be reflected in my paternal haplogroup? Because mine is from the caucasus.

1 93.6% Palestinian + 6.4% Tabassaran @ 2.77
2 93.5% Palestinian + 6.5% Chechen @ 2.85
3 93.4% Palestinian + 6.6% Ossetian @ 2.87
4 93.6% Palestinian + 6.4% Lezgin @ 2.87
5 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% Irish @ 2.9
6 95.7% Palestinian + 4.3% West_Scottish @ 2.9
7 93.9% Palestinian + 6.1% Tadjik @ 2.91
8 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% Southwest_English @ 2.93
9 93.5% Palestinian + 6.5% Kabardin @ 2.94
10 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% North_Dutch @ 2.95
11 95.7% Palestinian + 4.3% Orcadian @ 2.95
12 92.6% Palestinian + 7.4% Kumyk @ 2.95
13 93.4% Palestinian + 6.6% Balkar @ 2.96
14 95.5% Palestinian + 4.5% North_German @ 2.96
15 95.8% Palestinian + 4.2% Norwegian @ 2.96
16 95.7% Palestinian + 4.3% Danish @ 2.97
17 88% Palestinian + 12% Turkish @ 2.97
18 93.8% Palestinian + 6.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.98
19 93.7% Palestinian + 6.3% Nogay @ 2.98
20 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% Southeast_English @ 2.99

[Haider]

Like I said earlier in the thread her mixed mode is similar to my k13. If its due to crusaders then couldn't such a thing be reflected in my paternal haplogroup? Because mine is from the caucasus.

1 93.6% Palestinian + 6.4% Tabassaran @ 2.77
2 93.5% Palestinian + 6.5% Chechen @ 2.85
3 93.4% Palestinian + 6.6% Ossetian @ 2.87
4 93.6% Palestinian + 6.4% Lezgin @ 2.87
5 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% Irish @ 2.9
6 95.7% Palestinian + 4.3% West_Scottish @ 2.9
7 93.9% Palestinian + 6.1% Tadjik @ 2.91
8 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% Southwest_English @ 2.93
9 93.5% Palestinian + 6.5% Kabardin @ 2.94
10 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% North_Dutch @ 2.95
11 95.7% Palestinian + 4.3% Orcadian @ 2.95
12 92.6% Palestinian + 7.4% Kumyk @ 2.95
13 93.4% Palestinian + 6.6% Balkar @ 2.96
14 95.5% Palestinian + 4.5% North_German @ 2.96
15 95.8% Palestinian + 4.2% Norwegian @ 2.96
16 95.7% Palestinian + 4.3% Danish @ 2.97
17 88% Palestinian + 12% Turkish @ 2.97
18 93.8% Palestinian + 6.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.98
19 93.7% Palestinian + 6.3% Nogay @ 2.98
20 95.6% Palestinian + 4.4% Southeast_English @ 2.99

Not that similar, because there's a quite big difference between the 'Lebanese Muslim' and 'Palestinian' references. The former are much more shifted towards Cyprus and Anatolia/Caucasus while the latter shifts towards Egypt or the Arabian peninsula. Palestinian Christians may be closely related to Lebanese Christians, but the same is definitely not true for their Muslim counterparts. Hardly does a Lebanese Muslim, either Shiite or Sunni, score Palestinian in their top 10 on these oracles, and honestly I've seen some score Assyrian and even Iranian before Palestinian.

[Sikeliot]

Not that similar, because there's a quite big difference between the 'Lebanese Muslim' and 'Palestinian' references. The former are much more shifted towards Cyprus and Anatolia/Caucasus while the latter shifts towards Egypt or the Arabian peninsula. Palestinian Christians may be closely related to Lebanese Christians, but the same is definitely not true for their Muslim counterparts. Hardly does a Lebanese Muslim, either Shiite or Sunni, score Palestinian in their top 10 on these oracles, and honestly I've seen some score Assyrian and even Iranian before Palestinian.


Can you show the Lebanese woman in the first post on PuntDNA-L K13?

[Haider]

Can you show the Lebanese woman in the first post on PuntDNA-L K13?

I also like this calculator, it has the most samples and is a more reliable one for MENAs.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 35.83
2 SW_Europe 28.15
3 SW_Asia 23.28
4 NE_Europe 5.76
5 East_Africa 2.16
6 South_Asia 1.44
7 Oceania 1.09
8 West_Africa 0.84
9 Americas 0.72
10 Siberia 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 2.9
2 Lebanese_Druze 3.01
3 Lebanese_Christian 3.05
4 Syrian 4.39
5 Cypriot 7.43
6 Assyrian 8.13
7 Armenian 9.16
8 Samaritan_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish_Kayseri 9.48
10 Jordanian 9.51
11 Turkish 10.7
12 Palestinian 11.13
13 Azerbaijan_Azeri 12.74
14 Turkish_Trabzon 13.52
15 Kurdish 14.65
16 Turkish_Aydin 15.14
17 Sephardic_Jew 15.84
18 Abkhasian 16.43
19 Italian_Sicilian 16.6
20 Iranian 18.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.7% Aluet @ 2.12
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.17
3 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Tatar @ 2.18
4 83.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 16.3% Turkish @ 2.21
5 96.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.6% Chuvash @ 2.24
6 90.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 9.2% Balkar @ 2.25
7 91.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.2% Kumyk @ 2.28
8 82.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 17.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
9 91.2% Syrian + 8.8% Ossetian @ 2.28
10 83.8% Lebanese_Christian + 16.2% Armenian @ 2.29
11 93.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.7% Nogay @ 2.3
12 90.2% Syrian + 9.8% Abkhasian @ 2.3
13 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Mordovian @ 2.32
14 82% Syrian + 18% Assyrian @ 2.34
15 69.8% Lebanese_Christian + 30.2% Abkhasian @ 2.36
16 96.1% Lebanese_Druze + 3.9% Colombian @ 2.36
17 88.9% Syrian + 11.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.37
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Russian @ 2.37
19 88.3% Syrian + 11.7% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.37
20 96.7% Lebanese_Druze + 3.3% Aluet @ 2.38

[Sikeliot]

I also like this calculator, it has the most samples and is a more reliable one for MENAs.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 35.83
2 SW_Europe 28.15
3 SW_Asia 23.28
4 NE_Europe 5.76
5 East_Africa 2.16
6 South_Asia 1.44
7 Oceania 1.09
8 West_Africa 0.84
9 Americas 0.72
10 Siberia 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 2.9
2 Lebanese_Druze 3.01
3 Lebanese_Christian 3.05
4 Syrian 4.39
5 Cypriot 7.43
6 Assyrian 8.13
7 Armenian 9.16
8 Samaritan_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish_Kayseri 9.48
10 Jordanian 9.51
11 Turkish 10.7
12 Palestinian 11.13
13 Azerbaijan_Azeri 12.74
14 Turkish_Trabzon 13.52
15 Kurdish 14.65
16 Turkish_Aydin 15.14
17 Sephardic_Jew 15.84
18 Abkhasian 16.43
19 Italian_Sicilian 16.6
20 Iranian 18.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.7% Aluet @ 2.12
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.17
3 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Tatar @ 2.18
4 83.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 16.3% Turkish @ 2.21
5 96.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.6% Chuvash @ 2.24
6 90.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 9.2% Balkar @ 2.25
7 91.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.2% Kumyk @ 2.28
8 82.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 17.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
9 91.2% Syrian + 8.8% Ossetian @ 2.28
10 83.8% Lebanese_Christian + 16.2% Armenian @ 2.29
11 93.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.7% Nogay @ 2.3
12 90.2% Syrian + 9.8% Abkhasian @ 2.3
13 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Mordovian @ 2.32
14 82% Syrian + 18% Assyrian @ 2.34
15 69.8% Lebanese_Christian + 30.2% Abkhasian @ 2.36
16 96.1% Lebanese_Druze + 3.9% Colombian @ 2.36
17 88.9% Syrian + 11.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.37
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Russian @ 2.37
19 88.3% Syrian + 11.7% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.37
20 96.7% Lebanese_Druze + 3.3% Aluet @ 2.38



The Lebanese Muslim you posted gets Sicily in their top 20 at a distance of 16.

This is a Lebanese Christian. They do not score Sicily nor any Europeans in their top 20. Lebanese Muslims are closer to Sicilians than the Christians are, despite people assuming the Christians are more European.

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 37.71
2 SW_Europe 29.47
3 SW_Asia 29.38
4 East_Africa 1.31
5 NE_Asia 1.13
6 NE_Europe 0.73
7 Oceania 0.19
8 SE_Asia 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Samaritan_Jew 4.81
2 Lebanese_Christian 5.81
3 Lebanese_Muslim 6.18
4 Lebanese_Druze 6.53
5 Syrian 7.74
6 Jordanian 8.01
7 Palestinian 8.63
8 Assyrian 9.75
9 Armenian 11.9
10 Cypriot 12.04
11 Yemeni 15.58
12 Turkish_Trabzon 16.03
13 Turkish_Kayseri 16.16
14 Egyptian_Copts 16.37
15 Turkish 17.81
16 Azerbaijan_Azeri 18.47
17 Egyptian 18.65
18 Kurdish 19.2
19 Sephardic_Jew 20.16
20 Iranian 20.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% Samaritan_Jew + 31.5% Assyrian @ 1.96
2 73.2% Samaritan_Jew + 26.8% Armenian @ 2.19
3 84% Samaritan_Jew + 16% Abkhasian @ 2.48
4 82.3% Samaritan_Jew + 17.7% Kurdish @ 2.53
5 81.8% Samaritan_Jew + 18.2% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.56
6 79.6% Samaritan_Jew + 20.4% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.58
7 86.6% Samaritan_Jew + 13.4% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.73
8 84.1% Samaritan_Jew + 15.9% Iranian @ 2.75
9 86.5% Samaritan_Jew + 13.5% Ossetian @ 2.85
10 58.9% Samaritan_Jew + 41.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.97
11 60.8% Samaritan_Jew + 39.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.01
12 88% Samaritan_Jew + 12% Adygei @ 3.03
13 81.7% Samaritan_Jew + 18.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.24
14 88.3% Samaritan_Jew + 11.7% Balkar @ 3.25
15 90.4% Samaritan_Jew + 9.6% Chechen @ 3.33
16 92.1% Samaritan_Jew + 7.9% Balochi @ 3.37
17 92.1% Samaritan_Jew + 7.9% Brahui @ 3.38
18 89.6% Samaritan_Jew + 10.4% Kumyk @ 3.43
19 92.2% Samaritan_Jew + 7.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.45
20 92.4% Samaritan_Jew + 7.6% Pathan @ 3.49

[Thykingdomcome]

100% Beiruti Sunni. 15% of combined North/West European (Atlantic, Baltic, North Sea, East Euro) input. This is the second Sunni result I see that comes out like this. I know that I used to think that Shiites were more European on average and they are (around 10%), but Sunnis definitely have the most outlying ones, probably due to historical reasons. She's also very West Asian/Anatolian influenced.

https://i.imgur.com/venrKBrl.jpg

Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.64
2 West_Asian 23.76
3 Atlantic 10.02
4 Red_Sea 9.87
5 West_Med 6.12
6 Baltic 3.29
7 Northeast_African 1.94
8 North_Sea 1.82
9 Sub-Saharan 1.27
10 Oceanian 1.02
11 Amerindian 0.45
12 South_Asian 0.44
13 Eastern_Euro 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 5.7
2 Syrian 8.63
3 Iranian_Jewish 10
4 Assyrian 10.22
5 Cyprian 10.36
6 Kurdish_Jewish 10.5
7 Lebanese_Christian 11.44
8 Lebanese_Druze 11.56
9 Jordanian 11.97
10 Samaritan 12.43
11 Palestinian 12.67
12 Georgian_Jewish 12.78
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.13
14 Turkish 13.32
15 Sephardic_Jewish 14.42
16 Armenian 15.47
17 Azeri 15.62
18 Kurdish 16.46
19 Bedouin 16.53
20 Libyan_Jewish 16.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% North_Ossetian @ 5.4
2 95% Lebanese_Muslim + 5% Adygei @ 5.44
3 95.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.6% Kabardin @ 5.47
4 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Chechen @ 5.48
5 95.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.7% Georgian @ 5.48
6 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Abhkasian @ 5.5
7 95.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.3% Balkar @ 5.5
8 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Turkish @ 5.51
9 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% La_Brana-1 @ 5.51
10 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Ossetian @ 5.51
11 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% Kumyk @ 5.52
12 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% North_German @ 5.53
13 97.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.6% Irish @ 5.53
14 91.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.6% Azeri @ 5.54
15 96.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.9% Lezgin @ 5.54
16 97.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.5% West_Scottish @ 5.55
17 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% French_Basque @ 5.55
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Austrian @ 5.55
19 92.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.6% Kurdish @ 5.56
20 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% Southeast_English @ 5.57

Thats amazing she has some european blood!!!! Much better than her arab blood ur making it out.

[Haider]

The Lebanese Muslim you posted gets Sicily in their top 20 at a distance of 16.

This is a Lebanese Christian. They do not score Sicily nor any Europeans in their top 20. Lebanese Muslims are closer to Sicilians than the Christians are, despite people assuming the Christians are more European.

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 37.71
2 SW_Europe 29.47
3 SW_Asia 29.38
4 East_Africa 1.31
5 NE_Asia 1.13
6 NE_Europe 0.73
7 Oceania 0.19
8 SE_Asia 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Samaritan_Jew 4.81
2 Lebanese_Christian 5.81
3 Lebanese_Muslim 6.18
4 Lebanese_Druze 6.53
5 Syrian 7.74
6 Jordanian 8.01
7 Palestinian 8.63
8 Assyrian 9.75
9 Armenian 11.9
10 Cypriot 12.04
11 Yemeni 15.58
12 Turkish_Trabzon 16.03
13 Turkish_Kayseri 16.16
14 Egyptian_Copts 16.37
15 Turkish 17.81
16 Azerbaijan_Azeri 18.47
17 Egyptian 18.65
18 Kurdish 19.2
19 Sephardic_Jew 20.16
20 Iranian 20.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% Samaritan_Jew + 31.5% Assyrian @ 1.96
2 73.2% Samaritan_Jew + 26.8% Armenian @ 2.19
3 84% Samaritan_Jew + 16% Abkhasian @ 2.48
4 82.3% Samaritan_Jew + 17.7% Kurdish @ 2.53
5 81.8% Samaritan_Jew + 18.2% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.56
6 79.6% Samaritan_Jew + 20.4% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.58
7 86.6% Samaritan_Jew + 13.4% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.73
8 84.1% Samaritan_Jew + 15.9% Iranian @ 2.75
9 86.5% Samaritan_Jew + 13.5% Ossetian @ 2.85
10 58.9% Samaritan_Jew + 41.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.97
11 60.8% Samaritan_Jew + 39.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.01
12 88% Samaritan_Jew + 12% Adygei @ 3.03
13 81.7% Samaritan_Jew + 18.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.24
14 88.3% Samaritan_Jew + 11.7% Balkar @ 3.25
15 90.4% Samaritan_Jew + 9.6% Chechen @ 3.33
16 92.1% Samaritan_Jew + 7.9% Balochi @ 3.37
17 92.1% Samaritan_Jew + 7.9% Brahui @ 3.38
18 89.6% Samaritan_Jew + 10.4% Kumyk @ 3.43
19 92.2% Samaritan_Jew + 7.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.45
20 92.4% Samaritan_Jew + 7.6% Pathan @ 3.49

On the other hand they seem closer to Palestinians, and even score Egyptians and Yemeni, both populations most Muslims don't even get at all.

I don't remember this result, is it a Greek Orthodox? I'm starting to believe some Christian groups may have more actual Arabian input from the Ghassanids than Muslims would have from the Arabian conquest.

[StonyArabia]

I also like this calculator, it has the most samples and is a more reliable one for MENAs.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 35.83
2 SW_Europe 28.15
3 SW_Asia 23.28
4 NE_Europe 5.76
5 East_Africa 2.16
6 South_Asia 1.44
7 Oceania 1.09
8 West_Africa 0.84
9 Americas 0.72
10 Siberia 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 2.9
2 Lebanese_Druze 3.01
3 Lebanese_Christian 3.05
4 Syrian 4.39
5 Cypriot 7.43
6 Assyrian 8.13
7 Armenian 9.16
8 Samaritan_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish_Kayseri 9.48
10 Jordanian 9.51
11 Turkish 10.7
12 Palestinian 11.13
13 Azerbaijan_Azeri 12.74
14 Turkish_Trabzon 13.52
15 Kurdish 14.65
16 Turkish_Aydin 15.14
17 Sephardic_Jew 15.84
18 Abkhasian 16.43
19 Italian_Sicilian 16.6
20 Iranian 18.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.7% Aluet @ 2.12
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.17
3 95.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.2% Tatar @ 2.18
4 83.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 16.3% Turkish @ 2.21
5 96.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.6% Chuvash @ 2.24
6 90.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 9.2% Balkar @ 2.25
7 91.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.2% Kumyk @ 2.28
8 82.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 17.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
9 91.2% Syrian + 8.8% Ossetian @ 2.28
10 83.8% Lebanese_Christian + 16.2% Armenian @ 2.29
11 93.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.7% Nogay @ 2.3
12 90.2% Syrian + 9.8% Abkhasian @ 2.3
13 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Mordovian @ 2.32
14 82% Syrian + 18% Assyrian @ 2.34
15 69.8% Lebanese_Christian + 30.2% Abkhasian @ 2.36
16 96.1% Lebanese_Druze + 3.9% Colombian @ 2.36
17 88.9% Syrian + 11.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.37
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Russian @ 2.37
19 88.3% Syrian + 11.7% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.37
20 96.7% Lebanese_Druze + 3.3% Aluet @ 2.38

Mameluke influenced

[Sikeliot]

On the other hand they seem closer to Palestinians, and even score Egyptians and Yemeni, both populations most Muslims don't even get at all.

I don't remember this result, is it a Greek Orthodox? I'm starting to believe some Christian groups may have more actual Arabian input from the Ghassanids than Muslims would have from the Arabian conquest.


I think so, yes. I notice the Greek Orthodox Lebanese are among the least close to Europe, disproving that they have any Greek ancestry at all.

[Haider]

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[StonyArabia]

On the other hand they seem closer to Palestinians, and even score Egyptians and Yemeni, both populations most Muslims don't even get at all.

I don't remember this result, is it a Greek Orthodox? I'm starting to believe some Christian groups may have more actual Arabian input from the Ghassanids than Muslims would have from the Arabian conquest.

That's because only one clan of the Ghassanids converted to Sunni Islam, and they provided wives for the Mamluke Sultans. However most of the Ghassanids did not convert to Islam. Not to mention even to this day there are Bedouin Christians in Jordan and even Iraq. Well the Bedouin Christians in Syria assimilated into the larger Christian grouping. The Banu Kalb which was Christian Bedouin tribe converted for political reasons and they provided wives for the Ummayd dynasty. Also the Taghalib tribe never converted to Islam and continued being Christian. Also many of the ethnic Arab Christians do follow the Greek Orthodox church, there small minority of them in Iraq. Most Jordanian Christian Bedouins btw are Greek Orthodox.

[Marmara]

As far as i know. Many Palestinians have tribal origins, meanwhile it's not the case for Lebanese Arabs. If this is true, it would mean Palestinians have more true Arab origins.

[StonyArabia]

As far as i know. Many Palestinians have tribal origins, meanwhile it's not the case for Lebanese Arabs. If this is true, it would mean Palestinians have more true Arab origins.

Only in the Negev for the most part.