Y-DNA: Kipchak Håkan is a Dagestani-Chechen

[Proto-Shaman]

I belong to this subcluster of L1b-M317

prediction for: https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y16366/

https://i.imgur.com/lyAbpeS.png

Now I know why I always felt so attracted to Chechnya and Dagestan. Lol, my blood whispered to me xD

[Div1]

What is this autism on your profile?

[Jana]

Congrats :)

Do you know many L haplogroup samples were found in Maykop culture ?

[Proto-Shaman]

Congrats :)

Do you know many L haplogroup samples were found in Maykop culture ?

no, I didn't :eek: tell me more please!

[Pribislav]

My condolences dude because you are not R1a-Z93. :)

[itilvolga]

congrats :)

[Jana]

no, I didn't :eek: tell me more please!

Read: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/05/16/322347

[Böri]

L is also found in old Egyin Göl samples, 2300 years ago Xiongnu samples.

[Pribislav]

3 Serbian guys friom Herzegovina are L1b, and also few Montenegrins.

[Proto-Shaman]

Read: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/05/16/322347

WOW !! Thank you Stearsolina! :wavey001:

[Proto-Shaman]

L is also found in old Egyin Göl samples, 2300 years ago Xiongnu samples.

And also in a Elite Hun sample in Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20#Elite_Hun_grave), 1540–1500 ybp. Can you share the source of Xiongnu samples?

[Jana]

WOW !! Thank you Stearsolina! :wavey001:

No problem :P

You can find samples data with Y / mt markers in supplementary material > supplementary data 2

I see three YDNA samples ''L'' in under Late Maykop description.

[Ülev]

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Now I know why I always felt so attracted to Chechnya and Dagestan. Lol, my blood whispered to me xD

start practice Lezginka
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lezginka)

popular in Poland also, as you can hear from this video
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lezginka

https://youtu.be/ZEtSRZG7ESw

[Böri]

And also in a Elite Hun sample in Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20#Elite_Hun_grave), 1540–1500 ybp. Can you share the source of Xiongnu samples?

Sorry. Remembered wrongly. L-M20 was found in Dolgans from Sakha.
https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-13-127?site=bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com

İ had seen I in Egyin göl samples, uncorrectly remembered as L. ;)

[Proto-Shaman]

No problem :P

You can find samples data with Y / mt markers in supplementary material > supplementary data 2

I see three YDNA samples ''L'' in under Late Maykop description.
I only saw 3 Y-dna samples of "L1a1" under Armenia Chalcolithic/Areni 1. What you mean was > supplementary data 1 :)

The question is what mutations these 3 Maykopian L's had. I hope L1b :)

If you compare my haplotype L1b-M317 with the Bashkir brother-line R1b-U152, one can see the Kurgan-Maykop connection clearly:

https://i.imgur.com/VWvT8s8.gif
https://i.imgur.com/txKHWeK.jpg

Bashkirs are not only known for their high R1b-U152 %, but also for their R1b-L23 (Z2103/05) %, the biggest living modern Kurgan representatives.

[Proto-Shaman]

Sorry. Remembered wrongly. L-M20 was found in Dolgans from Sakha.
https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-13-127?site=bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com

İ had seen I in Egyin göl samples, uncorrectly remembered as L. ;)
I always thought that Dolgans are genetically the oldest Turkic tribe ever. They have a very anormal Y-DNA diversity. They have E-M35, C-M130, F*, I2a, J, L*, N1-M231, O-M175, R*, R1a1*, R1a-M458, R1b-M269. This is by far the most wtf I have ever seen in genetics.
https://i.imgur.com/YZijht3.png

[Nanushka]

I belong to this subcluster of L1b-M317

prediction for: https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y16366/

https://i.imgur.com/lyAbpeS.png

Now I know why I always felt so attracted to Chechnya and Dagestan. Lol, my blood whispered to me xD

Congrats Hakan:)

Is this y-DNA subclade mainly found in Daghestan and Chechnya, I have no idea about it tbh. There are so many rumours about the y-DNA subclades in northern Caucasia but mostly they are mutant and transferred there from other regions (esp from the south)

[Nanushka]

start practice Lezginka
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lezginka)

popular in Poland also, as you can hear from this video
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lezginka

https://youtu.be/ZEtSRZG7ESw

This is great. I didnt know that it is also popular in Poland, are there people with northern Caucasian origin there?

From a rehearsal of Lezginka, this is how the Avar and Chechen dance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTZgp5snufM

[Impaler]

I belong to this subcluster of L1b-M317

prediction for: https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y16366/

https://i.imgur.com/lyAbpeS.png

Now I know why I always felt so attracted to Chechnya and Dagestan. Lol, my blood whispered to me xD

How can I calculate mine as well? :)

[Ülev]

we have so called Chechen refugees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_refugees)in Poland, those who did not go more west (to Germany etc.)
Mamed Khalidov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamed_Khalidov) is a Pole for example

https://youtu.be/KRQ0CxLfkYY

[Danaan]

The haplogroup L, found in 'Late Maykop' was from what is today the Kabardino-Balkar Republic.

The G2a, J2a samples labeled 'Maykop Novosvobonaya' were from Adyghea.

The more Steppic samples were closer to Kalmykia, just outside it. In reality 'Steppe Maykop' probably didn't exist. It was a different culture.

[Proto-Shaman]

How can I calculate mine as well? :)

Y-SEQ: STR-Analysis 85 $ (http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=34) + SNP-Analysis 18 $
FTDNA STR+SNP 169 $ (https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna) (129 $)

you can chose.

[Proto-Shaman]

Congrats Hakan:)

Is this y-DNA subclade mainly found in Daghestan and Chechnya, I have no idea about it tbh. There are so many rumours about the y-DNA subclades in northern Caucasia but mostly they are mutant and transferred there from other regions (esp from the south)
This is my group:

https://i.imgur.com/HMUUgvg.png

Don't know much about the density of L1b in the Caucasus. But probably, the oldest L so far found is of Maykop origin, hence modern Chechens (L1a) and Dagestanis (L1b) carry the same line 5000 years later.

[Proto-Shaman]

The haplogroup L, found in 'Late Maykop' was from what is today the Kabardino-Balkar Republic.
Where can I read about it? Which regions, grave numbers etc.?

[Dekziiro]

Still, Vainakh blood is mostly J-M67.
And they have unique phenotypes, but if you're Caucasid (alpine, CM, pontid, dinarid) you can probably pass and congrats !

By the way, N. Caucasus is not turk but Caucasian so why the one pseudo-Avar at page 2 pretend he's Caucasian

[Dick]

congratulations, Mr. Kipchak Hakon.

[Proto-Shaman]

By the way, N. Caucasus is not turk but Caucasian so why the one pseudo-Avar at page 2 pretend he's Caucasian

J2 still reflects ancient Vainakh-Turkic ethnogenesis. N. Caucasus is Turkic and Caucasian. Many Caucasians also carry Turkic names.
https://i.imgur.com/VHeALm0.png
https://i.imgur.com/HRMiIUj.jpg

[Dekziiro]

J2 still reflects ancient Vainakh-Turkic ethnogenesis. N. Caucasus is Turkic and Caucasian. Many Caucasians also carry Turkic names.
https://i.imgur.com/VHeALm0.png
https://i.imgur.com/HRMiIUj.jpg

They are still not turks, by the way, only 30% of Turks are J2 lol.
An haplogroup is vaste remember, Vainakh are closer to Georgians than Turks.

[Dekziiro]

And turks names is because of Circassians and muslim connection, names like "Dishni" Benoy" "Turpal" "Noxcho" are no turk at all.

[Gangrel]

Now me, Hakan and Impaler all have Chechen/Ingush Y-DNA lol

[Dekziiro]

In that case, even Slavic people hve Chechen/Ingush DNA lol

[Proto-Shaman]

They are still not turks, by the way, only 30% of Turks are J2 lol.
An haplogroup is vaste remember, Vainakh are closer to Georgians than Turks.
Turk-Vainakh.


In that case, even Slavic people hve Chechen/Ingush DNA lol
lol, you must be kidding.


And turks names is because of Circassians and muslim connection, names like "Dishni" Benoy" "Turpal" "Noxcho" are no turk at all.
Turks name is because Turks waz kangs in Caucasus. Turpal is 100% Turkomongol. The "-cho" ending in Noxcho is also Turco. Dishni means "female".

[Impaler]

J2 still reflects ancient Vainakh-Turkic ethnogenesis. N. Caucasus is Turkic and Caucasian. Many Caucasians also carry Turkic names.
https://i.imgur.com/VHeALm0.png
https://i.imgur.com/HRMiIUj.jpg

I'm J-M67(J2). How come Romanians are related to Vainakh-Turkic people?

[Proto-Shaman]

I'm J-M67(J2). How come Romanians are related to Vainakh-Turkic people?
Yes. But with Scythic background. Especially if you look at the J2 and R1b haplotypes.

[Noxv]

Turk-Vainakh.


lol, you must be kidding.


Turks name is because Turks waz kangs in Caucasus. Turpal is 100% Turkomongol. The "-cho" ending in Noxcho is also Turco. Dishni means "female".

Are you trolling? Turpal is Chechen and "cho" is a Chechen word, nothing to do with Turks.

[Proto-Shaman]

Are you trolling? Turpal is Chechen and "cho" is a Chechen word, nothing to do with Turks.
Problem with reality?

[Noxv]

Problem with reality?

Yeah you seem to be suffering from it, Turpal is a Nakh name and "Cho" is also Nakh. Also "Dishni" means jewels in Chechen so that did not come from Turkic either.

[grecoroman]

Yeah you seem to be suffering from it, Turpal is a Nakh name and "Cho" is also Nakh. Also "Dishni" means jewels in Chechen so that did not come from Turkic either.

turks always want to claim the caucasus!! instead they should claim the altai where there race originated!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Congrats

[Nanushka]

Yes. But with Scythic background. Especially if you look at the J2 and R1b haplotypes.

Yes this is true, northern Caucasia originally belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians before the Bulgar, Avar and Khazar, and Cimmerians, a leading tribe of Scythians, invaded southern Caucasia too around 700 BC. These maps may help understand the ethnogenesis of the peoples that ruled the Caspean-Pontic steppes:

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[Proto-Shaman]

Yeah you seem to be suffering from it, Turpal is a Nakh name and "Cho" is also Nakh. Also "Dishni" means jewels in Chechen so that did not come from Turkic either.
Since when Turpal is a Nakh name?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpar

[Noxv]

Since when Turpal is a Nakh name?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpar

Thats Tulpar not Turpal, Turpal means "Hero" in Nakh. "Turpalo-Noxcho" means "Hero of Chechens" and is a character in our mythology. He was raised by a She-Wolf (similar to the Roman mythology). This name is as Nakh as the name "Vakha", those who were brave and heroic were called Turpal.

[Proto-Shaman]

He was raised by a She-Wolf (similar to the Roman mythology).
This is Turkic mythology: Asena (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena)


Thats Tulpar not Turpal, Turpal means "Hero" in Nakh. "Turpalo-Noxcho" means "Hero of Chechens" and is a character in our mythology. ... This name is as Nakh as the name "Vakha", those who were brave and heroic were called Turpal.
Cool story bro, Turpal and Tulpar are actually the fucking same.

David Hunt, "Legends of the Caucasus" 2012 (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=20EhBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT246&lpg=PT246&dq=turpal+tulpar&source=bl&ots=pQH6Ngpgwo&sig=1rIvnAuMvZoMowtdvTqD_1wDpXE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRz6_xtJXcAhWDFZoKHc7eDVoQ6AEIiQEwFQ#v= onepage&q=turpal%20tulpar&f=false)

https://i.imgur.com/b4to1hb.png

The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women across the Ancient World, Princeton University Press 2014 (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rboWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA360&lpg=PA360&dq=turpal+tulpar&source=bl&ots=5pm8LuIrJ8&sig=8-m-h0awszF_AyhZlLI8b80S0lA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRz6_xtJXcAhWDFZoKHc7eDVoQ6AEINjAF#v=on epage&q=turpal%20tulpar&f=true)

https://i.imgur.com/90PcjcA.png

It's also found in Ossetian Tolpar. Similar to Bashkir Turkic Club Tolpar Ufa:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Tolpar_Ufa_Logo.png

Chechnya is full of Turkic names, culture, toponyms, hydronyms and dna. Tulpar, akin to Mongolian Zulbah, comes from Tul/Yul "bald, hairless", a typical feature of heroism in Turkic mythology. Alıp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alıp) is a Turkic term referring for nobles serving in military and epic heroes or giants in Turkic folklore. Bogatyr (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogatyr) in Turkic means hero, and the -tyr/-tor is also found in Altaic-Korean tori "a brave boy".

[Noxv]

This is Turkic mythology: Asena (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena)



Cool story bro, Turpal and Tulpar are actually the fucking same.

David Hunt, "Legends of the Caucasus" 2012 (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=20EhBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT246&lpg=PT246&dq=turpal+tulpar&source=bl&ots=pQH6Ngpgwo&sig=1rIvnAuMvZoMowtdvTqD_1wDpXE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRz6_xtJXcAhWDFZoKHc7eDVoQ6AEIiQEwFQ#v= onepage&q=turpal%20tulpar&f=false)

https://i.imgur.com/b4to1hb.png

The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women across the Ancient World, Princeton University Press 2014 (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rboWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA360&lpg=PA360&dq=turpal+tulpar&source=bl&ots=5pm8LuIrJ8&sig=8-m-h0awszF_AyhZlLI8b80S0lA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRz6_xtJXcAhWDFZoKHc7eDVoQ6AEINjAF#v=on epage&q=turpal%20tulpar&f=true)

https://i.imgur.com/90PcjcA.png

It's also found in Ossetian Tolpar. Similar to Bashkir Turkic Club Tolpar Ufa:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Tolpar_Ufa_Logo.png

Chechnya is full of Turkic names, culture, toponyms, hydronyms and dna. Tulpar, akin to Mongolian Zulbah, comes from Tul/Yul "bald, hairless", a typical feature of heroism in Turkic mythology. Alıp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alıp) is a Turkic term referring for nobles serving in military and epic heroes or giants in Turkic folklore. Bogatyr (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogatyr) in Turkic means hero, and the -tyr/-tor is also found in Altaic-Korean tori "a brave boy".

The she-wolf story exists in many cultures, not only Turkic.

You got me on the Turpal name so we are 1-1 ;) (Dishni doesn't come from Turkic). Chechnya is full of Turkic names but these mostly exist on the plains due to many different Turkic peoples invading.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

In that case, even Slavic people hve Chechen/Ingush DNA lol

how so?

[Proto-Shaman]

The she-wolf story exists in many cultures, not only Turkic.

You got me on the Turpal name so we are 1-1 ;) (Dishni doesn't come from Turkic). Chechnya is full of Turkic names but these mostly exist on the plains due to many different Turkic peoples invading.
1-1? are you serious? get lost..

[Noxv]

1-1? are you serious? get lost..

Calm your tits Kipchak, i was just messing around. Anyway Chechens and Dagestanis(except Kumyk) are not Turkic, our culture has been influenced by Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Russians(like most people) but that doesn't mean that we are "Turk-Vainakh". Sorry to say but you are not a Dagestani-Chechen :(.

[Dekziiro]

Calm your tits Kipchak, i was just messing around. Anyway Chechens and Dagestanis(except Kumyk) are not Turkic, our culture has been influenced by Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Russians(like most people) but that doesn't mean that we are "Turk-Vainakh". Sorry to say but you are not a Dagestani-Chechen :(.

The entire world is Turkic :rolleyes:
Now he will say that Lezginka is turkic lol, i once seen a turk saying he likes chechens and then say Imam Shamil is his hero LOL

[Dekziiro]

Turk-Vainakh :picard1:
The phenotypes are differents, the genes are different, and the culture is different too even though there is some similarity in the culture and some share the same haplogroups but that's it.

[Noxv]

The entire world is Turkic :rolleyes:
Now he will say that Lezginka is turkic lol, i once seen a turk saying he likes chechens and then say Imam Shamil is his hero LOL

Yeah i have come across this too, in Chechen videos Turks write "Chechens are Turk we love Imam Shamil", Imam Shamil is as loved as Stalin by Chechens.

[Root]

kipchak han, show your classification thread and I'll tell you, whether you look Kavkaz or not.. you mislead random visitors over and over and you ruin your own thread.. you don't respect yourself, man

[Noxv]

kipchak han, show your classification thread and I'll tell you, whether you look Kavkaz or not.. you mislead random visitors over and over and you ruin your own thread.. you don't respect yourself, man

He has already shown us the pic

https://www.therisingwasabi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Chinese-JLPT-Kanji-640x416.jpg

Cant you see that he is 100% Chechen-Dagestani?

[Root]

He has already shown us the pic

https://www.therisingwasabi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Chinese-JLPT-Kanji-640x416.jpg

Cant you see that he is 100% Chechen-Dagestani?



hell will freeze over before he becomes like one of us

[Nanushka]

Chechens and Dagestanis(except Kumyk) are not Turkic, our culture has been influenced by Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Russians(like most people) but that doesn't mean that we are "Turk-Vainakh"

I really dont get your point, as a genuine Avar, in all GEDmatch results I always match with the Kumyk, Balkar, Chechen, Lezgin and northern Ossetians on my first populations, so we are all cognates and interrelated. I cant talk on your behalf ofc but I am Turkic, and I can see it in our living culture, tradition and language

All the research in this area thus far shows that northern Caucasians descend from Scythians-Sarmatians and the Khazar, Avar (White Hun) and Hun-Bulgar after them who ruled the region for a very long time and whose phenotype has always been given as the same as northern Caucasian peoples. There is also slight middle eastern effect though coming from southern Caucasus, which is inevitable after relations with Sassanis and Arabs (after islam)

[Noxv]

I really dont get your point, as a genuine Avar, in all GEDmatch results I always match with the Kumyk, Balkar, Chechen, Lezgin and northern Ossetians on my first populations, so we are all cognates and interrelated. I cant talk on your behalf ofc but I am Turkic, and I can see it in our living culture, tradition and language

All the research in this area thus far shows that northern Caucasians descend from Scythians-Sarmatians and the Khazar, Avar (White Hun) and Hun-Bulgar after them who ruled the region for a very long time and whose phenotype has always been given as the same as northern Caucasian peoples. There is also slight middle eastern effect though coming from southern Caucasus, which is inevitable after relations with Sassanis and Arabs (after islam)

Kumyk and Balkars have mixed a lot with Chechens, they are more Chechen than Turk in terms of genetics. In culture they are Turkic true but that doesn't mean that we Chechens are Turk. If you are a Avar that wants to be Turk then ok but dont claim that Chechens are Turk. We are proud of our ethnicity. I dont dislike Turks, but in our history we have fought against Turkic invasions so if our ancestors fought of Turks then why should we consider ourselves Turkic?

Chechens are Nakh who have lived in the Caucasus for thousands of years, we are not Khazar, Schythian-Sarmatian or Hun-Bulgar. Ask any Chechen and he will say the same.

[Noxv]

I really dont get your point, as a genuine Avar, in all GEDmatch results I always match with the Kumyk, Balkar, Chechen, Lezgin and northern Ossetians on my first populations, so we are all cognates and interrelated. I cant talk on your behalf ofc but I am Turkic, and I can see it in our living culture, tradition and language

All the research in this area thus far shows that northern Caucasians descend from Scythians-Sarmatians and the Khazar, Avar (White Hun) and Hun-Bulgar after them who ruled the region for a very long time and whose phenotype has always been given as the same as northern Caucasian peoples. There is also slight middle eastern effect though coming from southern Caucasus, which is inevitable after relations with Sassanis and Arabs (after islam)

Also arent you the guy who said that J haplogroup came to the Caucasus trough Arab invasions?))

[Root]

I really dont get your point, as a genuine Avar, in all GEDmatch results I always match with the Kumyk, Balkar, Chechen, Lezgin and northern Ossetians on my first populations, so we are all cognates and interrelated. I cant talk on your behalf ofc but I am Turkic, and I can see it in our living culture, tradition and language

All the research in this area thus far shows that northern Caucasians descend from Scythians-Sarmatians and the Khazar, Avar (White Hun) and Hun-Bulgar after them who ruled the region for a very long time and whose phenotype has always been given as the same as northern Caucasian peoples. There is also slight middle eastern effect though coming from southern Caucasus, which is inevitable after relations with Sassanis and Arabs (after islam)



turkic peoples are central asians and we are native Kavkaz, you see difference? Don't spread lies about us you sneaky faceless liar

[Noxv]

turkic peoples are central asians and we are native Kavkaz, you see difference? Don't spread lies about us you sneaky faceless liar

I just checked out her profile and it says she is living in Istanbul, probably a assimilated Avar. Also her heroes are Imam Shamil the coward.

[Norka]

Identity crysis begins now. Not a 100% Turkic as you stated you were must be tough.

[Nanushka]

Chechens are Nakh who have lived in the Caucasus for thousands of years, we are not Khazar, Schythian-Sarmatian or Hun-Bulgar. Ask any Chechen and he will say the same.

Ok then please send me the documents about this 'thousands of years old' Nakh nation and I will be reading it happily. I really wonder who were there before the Scythian and Yamnaya:)


I just checked out her profile and it says she is living in Istanbul, probably a assimilated Avar. Also her heroes are Imam Shamil the coward.

I am not assimilated at all, on the contrary we kavkaz Avars here always stick to our roots and culture more than the ones in Dagestan, at least not affected by the Soviet and Russian imposition like the ones in Russia

How come do you call Shamil a coward, he and Avars fought against Russian imperialism for more than 25 years, along with the Chechen and Circassian. So whats the point?


turkic peoples are central asians and we are native Kavkaz, you see difference? Don't spread lies about us you sneaky faceless liar

I am not going to reply to your posts. You dont know me and how scientific I try to be all the time, so keep in mind that if you call me 'liar' again then I will call you a poor illitrate piece of wahabi who is here for trolling purposes only

Soviet ideology seems to achieved its purposes in northern Caucasia and it doesnt sadden me (perfectly normal), only consolidates the findings that I infer from all the reading and research so far

[Root]

I am not going to reply to your posts. You dont know me and how scientific I try to be all the time, so keep in mind that if you call me 'liar' again then I will call you a poor illitrate piece of wahabi who is here for trolling purposes only

Soviet ideology seems to achieved its purposes in northern Caucasia and it doesnt sadden me (perfectly normal), only consolidates the findings that I infer from all the reading and research so far




a turk speaks about "illiteracy" lel you don't have scientific knowledge and you don't know s#it about us, you pathetic waste of space. You're not in that position to call someone "wahabi" or use any other religious terms out of your narrow-minded head, you're just another turk with inferior complexes and with identity crisis who tries to be one of us.. Soviet ideology is more better than your whole miserable life you spent in your ataturkistan, you better shut up and stop spreading the false info

[Noxv]

Ok then please send me the documents about this 'thousands of years old' Nakh nation and I will be reading it happily. I really wonder who were there before the Scythian and Yamnaya:)



I am not assimilated at all, on the contrary we kavkaz Avars here always stick to our roots and culture more than the ones in Dagestan, at least not affected by the Soviet and Russian imposition like the ones in Russia

How come do you call Shamil a coward, he and Avars fought against Russian imperialism for more than 25 years, along with the Chechen and Circassian. So whats the point?



I am not going to reply to your posts. You dont know me and how scientific I try to be all the time, so keep in mind that if you call me 'liar' again then I will call you a poor illitrate piece of wahabi who is here for trolling purposes only

Soviet ideology seems to achieved its purposes in northern Caucasia and it doesnt sadden me (perfectly normal), only consolidates the findings that I infer from all the reading and research so far

Before Scythians and Yamnaya there were Kura-Araxes culture which is far more closer to Chechens (since they were for the most part J2). The Nakh people were also part of the Urartu kingdom, We were also called "Dzurduk" and not "Turk"by our Georgian neighbors.The Scythians came to Chechnya only in the 7th century BC, Scyths who btw are called "Iranian people" by many.

Infact Chechens fought Turkic peoples most of their existence, Nogai, Tatars etc. Why would we call ourselves after a people that tried to conquer us? did the Avars go down on their knees and lick the Turkic boot?

Imam Shamil surrendered like a coward, after he surrendered Chechens still fought under Baysangur Beno for over 2 years. Thousands of Chechens died when Imam Shamil declared Jihad against Russia and for what? for him to surrender? I respect Avars like Nazhmuddin Gozinskiy.

What "Soviet ideology" do we have ? Chechens fought against Soviet ideology in 1921, 1930, 1935 and 1940-1944, hundreds of thousands of Chechens died against Soviet ideology. Avars never fought against Soviets, they were given Chechen land from Stalin when he deported us and Avars STILL haven't given back our lands in North Dagestan. Before Russia tried to conquer Caucasus in 1735 Chechens defeated Crimean Khanate in Khankala, why didnt we let them take our land? because we are Chechens and not Turks.

Dont get me wrong i like Turkish people and i consider us brothers in Islam but we are not Turk.

[Proto-Shaman]

Calm your tits Kipchak, i was just messing around. Anyway Chechens and Dagestanis(except Kumyk) are not Turkic, our culture has been influenced by Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Russians(like most people) but that doesn't mean that we are "Turk-Vainakh". Sorry to say but you are not a Dagestani-Chechen :(.
Of course you are not Turkic. Caucasians have a totally different genetic makeup. You are 99% CHG, while Turks were mostly EHG, WSHG + East Asian. Later (accompanied with Indo-Europeans) we just had a lot of sex with each other and became 25% CHG when we returned to the steppes and you got some steppe sperms. End of story. No need for masturbation at all. Btw I have 32-40% CHG, eat that!

[DarknessWin]

This haplogroup found most among gays

[Proto-Shaman]

This haplogroup found most among gay...
reeks. u mixed up something, wrong thread bro.

[DarknessWin]

reeks. u mixed up something, wrong thread bro.

Its true that south asians have the most gays and trans and that asian tribes (turan) have the lowest Testosterone among all races

[Proto-Shaman]

a turk speaks about "illiteracy" lel you don't have scientific knowledge and you don't know s#it about us, you pathetic waste of space. You're not in that position to call someone "wahabi" or use any other religious terms out of your narrow-minded head, you're just another turk with inferior complexes and with identity crisis who tries to be one of us.. Soviet ideology is more better than your whole miserable life you spent in your ataturkistan, you better shut up and stop spreading the false info

last time I checked Sovietism killed 200 thousand Chechens. You selfhating faggot.

[Proto-Shaman]

Its true that south asians have the most gays and trans and that asian tribes (turan) have the lowest Testosterone among all races
DarknessWin et al. 2018 I guess.

[Proto-Shaman]

Before Scythians and Yamnaya there were Kura-Araxes culture which is far more closer to Chechens (since they were for the most part J2). The Nakh people were also part of the Urartu kingdom, We were also called "Dzurduk" and not "Turk"by our Georgian neighbors.The Scythians came to Chechnya only in the 7th century BC, Scyths who btw are called "Iranian people" by many.

Infact Chechens fought Turkic peoples most of their existence, Nogai, Tatars etc. Why would we call ourselves after a people that tried to conquer us? did the Avars go down on their knees and lick the Turkic boot?

Imam Shamil surrendered like a coward, after he surrendered Chechens still fought under Baysangur Beno for over 2 years. Thousands of Chechens died when Imam Shamil declared Jihad against Russia and for what? for him to surrender? I respect Avars like Nazhmuddin Gozinskiy.

What "Soviet ideology" do we have ? Chechens fought against Soviet ideology in 1921, 1930, 1935 and 1940-1944, hundreds of thousands of Chechens died against Soviet ideology. Avars never fought against Soviets, they were given Chechen land from Stalin when he deported us and Avars STILL haven't given back our lands in North Dagestan. Before Russia tried to conquer Caucasus in 1735 Chechens defeated Crimean Khanate in Khankala, why didnt we let them take our land? because we are Chechens and not Turks.

Dont get me wrong i like Turkish people and i consider us brothers in Islam but we are not Turk.

https://i.imgur.com/wdOcmmK.gif
https://i.imgur.com/Y1hOHpO.png

[Root]

last time I checked Sovietism killed 200 thousand Chechens. You selfhating faggot.




you dare to say such things only through the internet you will never say it to me IRL you have no balls you keyboard warrior pussy you steppe goatfucker, the most known faggot & tranny in this website is you, you dead steppe scum turd, show me your face you little Goddamn coward

[Pahli]

Lmfao Buusra and Hakan Efendi getting roasted xD

[Kamal900]

Lmfao Buusra and Hakan Efendi getting roasted xD

I can hear the roasting from here, lol.

[Pahli]

I can hear the roasting from here, lol.

Never read so much cancer that gets shot down instantly by Root and Noxv xD

[Dekziiro]

Actually Hakan never said he is chechen he just said some chechens (5-10%) share the same subclade as him and that Caucasus got a little bit of Turkic influence, that's it, so let's stop fighting for nothing lol

[Proto-Shaman]

you dare to say such things only through the internet you will never say it to me IRL you have no balls you keyboard warrior pussy you steppe goatfucker, the most known faggot & tranny in this website is you, you dead steppe scum turd, show me your face you little Goddamn coward
And you sound like Russkie Jew like Shirinowski.

[Tanais]

I only saw 3 Y-dna samples of "L1a1" under Armenia Chalcolithic/Areni 1. What you mean was > supplementary data 1 :)

The question is what mutations these 3 Maykopian L's had. I hope L1b :)

If you compare my haplotype L1b-M317 with the Bashkir brother-line R1b-U152, one can see the Kurgan-Maykop connection clearly:

https://i.imgur.com/VWvT8s8.gif
https://i.imgur.com/txKHWeK.jpg

Bashkirs are not only known for their high R1b-U152 %, but also for their R1b-L23 (Z2103/05) %, the biggest living modern Kurgan representatives.

Nice. Looks like you are more Turan than expected :icon_yes: Congrats Sir Kurgan Türk! You should visit Italy now :wink_002:

[Ülev]

I only saw 3 Y-dna samples of "L1a1" under Armenia Chalcolithic/Areni 1. What you mean was > supplementary data 1 :)

The question is what mutations these 3 Maykopian L's had. I hope L1b :)

If you compare my haplotype L1b-M317 with the Bashkir brother-line R1b-U152, one can see the Kurgan-Maykop connection clearly:

https://i.imgur.com/VWvT8s8.gif
https://i.imgur.com/txKHWeK.jpg

Bashkirs are not only known for their high R1b-U152 %, but also for their R1b-L23 (Z2103/05) %, the biggest living modern Kurgan representatives.

yes

[Proto-Shaman]

trolling my own thread lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyjksWm-yJU

[Proto-Shaman]

Actually Hakan never said he is chechen he just said some chechens (5-10%) share the same subclade as him and that Caucasus got a little bit of Turkic influence, that's it, so let's stop fighting for nothing lol
Never mind, my friend. Sometimes inferiority complexes can lead to delusional brain cancer.

[Proto-Shaman]

Nice. Looks like you are more Turan than expected :icon_yes: Congrats Sir Kurgan Türk! You should visit Italy now :wink_002:
I will xD

[Antimatter]

I belong to this subcluster of L1b-M317

prediction for: https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y16366/

https://i.imgur.com/lyAbpeS.png

Now I know why I always felt so attracted to Chechnya and Dagestan. Lol, my blood whispered to me xD

Eh, one us! L1b white ravens ;) I wonder if L1b is Anatolian or Levantine in origin..

[Antimatter]

85457

[Proto-Shaman]

L1b white ravens ;)
elaboration?


I wonder if L1b is Anatolian or Levantine in origin..
Any papers?

[Antimatter]

elaboration?


Any papers?

L1b is quite rare, rarer than other haplogroups.

[Proto-Shaman]

L1b is quite rare, rarer than other haplogroups.
L is the only haplogroup without meme trigger. Only L's themselves know who they really are, if they ever come to think about it.

[Proto-Shaman]

I wonder if L1b is Anatolian or Levantine in origin..
Eastern Anatolia. I can feel/see it.

[Token]

You are a Maykopean, which pretty much explains your edgy attempts to claim the Bronze Age steppe cultures for your people. You guys got rekt by Botaians.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/10/steppe-maykop-buffer-zone.html
Both archeological and ancient DNA data show that the North Caucasus was being colonized by groups from Transcaucasia during the Eneolithic. But apparently this wasn't an entirely smooth and safe process, because these southern settlers were forced to build elaborate fortifications to keep the natives at bay. Indeed, at the site of Meshoko, in the Northwest Caucasus, there is evidence of such a fort being overrun and its community replaced, probably by a nearby indigenous group.

On the other hand, during the Bronze Age Maykop period, the relations between the settlers from the south and the steppe peoples were apparently much more peaceful. So much so, in fact, that Maykop settlements weren't fortified. However, this was also the period when the North Caucasus steppes were home to the Steppe Maykop people.

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-case-of-chalcolithic-fortresses-in.html
A multivariate method for assessing cultural changes at stratified sites is proposed. The variables are technological properties of ceramics, and occurrences of various categories of flint implements. The method is applied to stratigraphic sequences of Chalcolithic fortresses in the northwestern Caucasus dating to the late 5th–early 4th millennia BC: Meshoko and Yasenova Polyana. The properties of ceramics include hardness (assessed on the Mohs scale), wall thickness, and frequency of fragments tempered with calcium carbonate. For Meshoko, S.M. Ostashinsky’s data on the occurrence of implements made of high-quality colored flint, splintered pieces, and the total number of segments, points, inserts, scrapers, and perforators were used as well. Each parameter undergoes regular changes from the lower to the upper units of the sequence: ceramics progressively deteriorate, whereas flint industry becomes more and more sophisticated. These changes occur in parallel. Data were subjected to principal component analysis. The first principal component is regarded as a generalized measure of cultural change. The results support the view of the excavators: changes were caused by the interaction of two cultures differing in origin. The earlier culture, associated with the constructors of the Meshoko fortress, shows no local roots, and was evidently introduced from Transcaucasia. The one that replaced it was significantly more archaic (a few copper tools notwithstanding), and reveals local Neolithic roots. It alone can be termed the culture of ceramics with interiorpunched node decoration. The ceramics of Yasenova Polyana, too, indicate cultural heterogeneity and two occupation stages; but cultural changes are more complicated there, probably because the site existed longer, and more than two cultural components were involved.

https://i.imgur.com/ZCMzbX5.jpg