As Indians outperform Chinese in overseas corporate management, China must nurture talent

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As Indians outperform Chinese in overseas corporate management, China must nurture talent


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Indians seem to have outperformed Chinese in terms of their presence in the corporate management world, with more Indians holding CEO positions in large multinational companies in the US such as Google and Microsoft. What's the reason behind this disparity? The Global Times spoke with two businesspeople - one Indian, the other Chinese - to find out. According to them, India's advantages in nurturing talent and in language makes it easier for Indians to adapt to different cultures, while Chinese students who studied in the US prefer to come back to China and focus on the Chinese economy.
In recent years, more Indians, including Indian-Americans, have taken up high-level management posts in large multinational corporations in the US compared to Chinese, with India-origin CEOs now leading Google and Microsoft.

Sundar Pichai, who was born in Tamil Nadu, India, was appointed CEO of Google in August 2015, while Satya Nadella, who was born in Telangana, India, became Microsoft's CEO in 2014.

In addition to those two representatives, the CEOs of SanDisk, Adobe Systems, PepsiCo, Harman International and Cognizant are all of Indian origin.

By contrast, there are barely any CEOs of large companies in the US who originate from the Chinese mainland.

So why are so many Indians becoming CEOs of multinational companies, while businesspeople from the Chinese mainland lag behind?

Popularization of MBA

Different from China, MBA degrees have become common for university students in India.

"Most of my friends pursued an MBA degree after undergraduate study. The institutions where we did our MBAs were some of the top business schools in India, and then we managed to get jobs with some of the better-known corporations, banks or consulting firms," said Sumeet Chander, country head of global professional services provider Evalueserve.

Chander is from India and manages the company's China operations in Shanghai.

Generally speaking, holding a bachelor's, master's, especially an MBA, or even a PhD degree in engineering has become standard for CEOs of Indian origin in US high-tech firms. This trend is demonstrated in the profiles of the CEOs of Google, Microsoft, Adobe, SanDisk and many other firms, said Chris Dong, global research director at technology advisory firm IDC China, who is based in both the San Francisco Bay Area and Beijing.

Dong, who studied in the US during the 1990s for his master's degree, worked as a software design engineer at Microsoft for more than six years and the director of strategy and operations at Cisco for nearly a decade.

"Most Indians at US high-tech firms seem to follow the same career path: They start as an engineer and then manage products. It's crucial for those who wish to pursue high-level management posts, as rotations in different product or business units help one better understand the firm's strategies and operations," Dong said.

Take Google's CEO for example. Prior to joining Google in 2004 as a vice president of product management, Pichai worked with the engineering and product management divisions of semiconductor maker Applied Materials Inc, as well as at McKinsey & Co in management consulting.

On the contrary, most Chinese engineers prefer to pursue a career on the technical ladder.

Easier adaption

Aside from Indian businesspeople's strong educational backgrounds, their willingness to adapt and lead also helps them in big global companies, according to experts.

"Most of the good students in India tend to be proficient in English, so when they move to the US, Canada or the UK, it's relatively easy for them to adapt," Chander said.

"Interestingly, most Chinese prefer to move back to China [in the long run] for work. Also, sometimes language is an issue, especially for first-generation folks who move to the US. So adapting takes longer," he noted.

Meanwhile, Indians are more adaptive and more willing to express themselves and get recognition, Dong said. "It's common to see Indian students developing friendships with Americans and those from other countries and regions, while most Chinese students are confined to their small circle."

During the 2016-17 academic year, 350,755 Chinese students enrolled in US universities, up 6.8 percent year-on-year, while the number of Indian students grew 12 percent year-on-year to more than 185,000, the fastest recorded growth rate, according to a report released in November 2017 by the Institute of International Education, a nonprofit organization supported by the US government.

Another key factor is the recognition of Indian talent by US firms, Dong noted.

"Foreign companies are more willing to set up outsourcing centers and research centers in India, which is beneficial for the nurturing of global and high-end talent," Dong said, noting that the R&D investment budgets of US firms in India is generally two or three times that of such budgets in China.

In fact, India is a quickly emerging global R&D hub, with around 30 percent of the top 1,000 global R&D spending organizations hosting centers there, according to a report released by the India Brand Equity Fund in June 2017.

China catching up

China's nurturing of innovation talent could be accelerated, if the country is willing to establish a more open market for both local and foreign technology players, such as those in the enterprise software and services sector, especially cloud-based platforms and software service providers, Dong said.

He also added that this will enable China to play more competitively in an open market and to share, compete with and utilize best-of-the-breed knowledge and skills.

"I do think that there will be a lot more internationally acclaimed CEOs from China in the future, but a lot of them will be working from China and not in the US going forward," Chander told the Global Times.

"Most smart Chinese folks would like to focus on the Chinese economy, which is likely to become larger than any other economy in the world."


Newspaper headline: Indian CEOs dominate in US

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1106620.shtml

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from Chinese media

[CitizenX]

Well no duh, Indians are easily far more respected in the corporate world than those dog eating chinks are. It's a given.

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the main factors is sociability , ''leadership skills'', personality, creativity/visionaries ... culture & language are 2nd..

in order to be CEO/management level... you have to be able to gain respect or desirable ..

[Joso]

I think Chinese people are more inteligent and much advanced in tecnology than Indians but Indians have advantage that they don't live in a socialist country, even though India seens to be very dictatorial and natonalistic to some degree, India seens to be at least bit more liberal than China and it is good for the Indians.

[CitizenX]

I think Chinese people are more inteligent and much advanced in tecnology than Indians but Indians have advantage that they don't live in a socialist country, even though India seens to be very dictatorial and natonalistic to some degree, India seens to be at least bit more liberal than China and it is good for the Indians.

Book smarts, and thats really about it. They study like weird nerds 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Indians have more social skills, are seen as more creative and entrepreurial in the Silicon Valley, and own more businesses.. One thing is for sure, Indians are above the stupid White Americans here,Blacks and Latinos no offense.

[zhaoyun]

More garbage.

Indians are good at working for other companies. Chinese build their own.

China now has 26 of the top 50 unicorns. Where is India on this list?

https://www.ft.com/content/3530f178-6e50-11e8-8863-a9bb262c5f53

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unicorn_startup_companies

[Joso]

More garbage.

Indians are good at working for other companies. Chinese build their own.

China now has 26 of the top 50 unicorns. Where is India on this list?

https://www.ft.com/content/3530f178-6e50-11e8-8863-a9bb262c5f53

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unicorn_startup_companies

This thread is about performance in corporate management, not about fairy tales, who the fuck wants to know about the damn unicorns??

[zhaoyun]

This thread is about performance in corporate management, not about fairy tales, who the fuck wants to know about the damn unicorns??

Hope you're joking bro. lol

[CitizenX]

More garbage.

Indians are good at working for other companies. Chinese build their own.

China now has 26 of the top 50 unicorns. Where is India on this list?

https://www.ft.com/content/3530f178-6e50-11e8-8863-a9bb262c5f53

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unicorn_startup_companies

That's very true, I don't deny Chinese success in this area but lets be real Indians have more success in corporate management.

[zhaoyun]

That's very true, I don't deny Chinese success in this area but lets be real Indians have more success in corporate management.

Who the hell do you think manage these Chinese unicorns?

Fact is, India is far more westernized. That gives Indian elites a head start in moving up the ladder of WESTERN companies. In the end, they are still working for someone else.

China is becoming a superpower. Chinese companies are beginning to dominate entire tech fields. India is still largely third world and nowhere close. Like seriously, look at the big picture. Of course, you guys can have fun jacking off imagining how inferior Chinese people are.

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I think Chinese people are more inteligent and much advanced in tecnology than Indians but Indians have advantage that they don't live in a socialist country, even though India seens to be very dictatorial and natonalistic to some degree, India seens to be at least bit more liberal than China and it is good for the Indians.

the article is about '' OVERSEAS''.. where the environment is different in Asia... the Indians can work with blacks/whites/latinos or anyone who is different from them...

in china, companies are funded backed by the government.. some of their tech is also ''stolen'' from American companies. by either former partnerships or reverse engineered ..
in order for America to tapped the Chinese market., American companies must agree to reveal its tech to the Chinese...

( this is what Donald trump is trying to fight, in trade war.. )

the future is robotics/ 5g/A.I that the Chinese are racing against American.. that is something that is totally not stolen/reverse engineered that would be given credit.

[zhaoyun]

the article is about '' OVERSEAS''.. where the environment is different in Asia... the Indians can work with blacks/whites/latinos or anyone who is different from them...

in china, companies are funded backed by the government.. some of their tech is also ''stolen'' from American companies. by either former partnerships or reverse engineered ..
in order for America to tapped the Chinese market., American companies must agree to reveal its tech to the Chinese...

( this is what Donald trump is trying to fight, in trade war.. )

the future is robotics/ 5g/A.I that the Chinese are racing against American.. that is something that is totally not stolen/reverse engineered that would be given credit.

Most of the tech companies are not funded by the government. China's VC market is now rivaling Silicon Valley in size, it might even be larger now.

Keep trying to discredit Chinese people. To you, Chinese people are inferior losers, but when they actually get ahead, then they are evil. It's just that simple isn't it?

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Most of the tech companies are not funded by the government. China's VC market is now rivaling Silicon Valley in size, it might even be larger now.

Keep trying to discredit Chinese people. To you, Chinese people are inferior losers, but when they actually get ahead, then they are evil. It's just that simple isn't it?

everything I said is based on facts... straight from youre president Donald trump who is igniting trade war based on the reasons I mentioned.

[zhaoyun]

everything I said is based on facts... straight from youre president Donald trump who is igniting trade war based on the reasons I mentioned.

You select your "facts". You have an agenda here. Basically painting Chinese people as either inferior or evil. Your twisted worldview guides your every input here. You love propping up Indians as a tool to prove how "inferior" Chinese people are. But then when you get confronted that facts that completely contradict your assertion, you go back to discrediting any Chinese achievement.

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You select your "facts". You have an agenda here. Basically painting Chinese people as either inferior or evil. Your twisted worldview guides your every input here. You love propping up Indians as a tool to prove how "inferior" Chinese people are. But then when you get confronted that facts that completely contradict your assertion, you go back to discrediting any Chinese achievement.

the article is from Chinese state run media.. global times.. even they act knowledge facts.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1106620.shtml

[zhaoyun]

the article is from Chinese state run media.. global times.. even they act knowledge facts.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1106620.shtml

So? You think if one journalist writes something, then it's the truth?

The reality is that Chinese tend to be quite self critical of themselves, it's part of what drives the incessant improvement and why China continues to develop so rapidly. Indian Americans do better in Silicon Valley, I will admit that. A lot of it has to do with culture. But what does it matter if in the end, these Indians are just the top employees in a non-Indian firm when China actually rivals Silicon Valley in actual size, capability and resources? Seriously, India is not even on the map.

Also, a good number of Silicon Valley firms were founded by Chinese Americans as well from Yahoo to Youtube to Nvidia, etc. These were the actual founders, not just an employee climbing the ranks.

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So? You think if one journalist writes something, then it's the truth?

The reality is that Chinese tend to be quite self critical of themselves, it's part of what drives the incessant improvement and why China continues to develop so rapidly. Indian Americans do better in Silicon Valley, I will admit that. A lot of it has to do with culture. But what does it matter if in the end, these Indians are just the top employees in a non-Indian firm when China actually rivals Silicon Valley in actual size, capability and resources? Seriously, India is not even on the map.

Also, a good number of Silicon Valley firms were founded by Chinese Americans as well from Yahoo to Youtube to Nvidia, etc. These were the actual founders, not just an employee climbing the ranks.

yes yahoo & youtube were created by Taiwanese-americans… that facts:...

.... I didnt even said anything about Chinese people,.. I just gave out facts.

I just posted a article from Chinese website.. they act knowledge facts based on census released by US companies/SV...

bye bye..

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my personal opinion..i got family works in the tech sector, I can testify that people we saw Indians here in east coast..

my MOM, my dad, my brother, my aunt, my cousins etc etc.. they worked with Indians..

I was also in Long Island senator office last month ( stock trading conference & not politics).. I saw Indians in high position as well outside nyc.

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fractal is the biggest troll on his forum...

but I have to be honest with the reality.

[zhaoyun]

yes yahoo & youtube were created by Taiwanese-americans… that facts:...

.... I didnt even said anything about Chinese people,.. I just gave out facts.

I just posted a article from Chinese website.. they act knowledge facts based on census released by US companies/SV...

bye bye..

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my personal opinion..i got family works in the tech sector, I can testify that people we saw Indians here in east coast..

my MOM, my dad, my brother, my aunt, my cousins etc etc.. they worked with Indians..

I was also in Long Island senator office last month ( stock trading conference & not politics).. I saw Indians in high position as well outside nyc.

If they worked in the tech sector, I am sure they worked with Chinese as well.

Anyways, Indians do better in Silicon Valley in terms of getting management positions. But the question is, so what? That's not where the real power is.

Taiwanese are ethnic Han Chinese.

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If they worked in the tech sector, I am sure they worked with Chinese as well.

Anyways, Indians do better in Silicon Valley in terms of getting management positions. But the question is, so what? That's not where the real power is.

Taiwanese are ethnic Han Chinese.

youtube was founded by Hurley, Steve Chen ( Taiwanese), and Jawed Karim.. youtube is now owned by google with indian CEO name Sundar Pichai.

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE4MDAzNDEwMjg2MzgwNTU4/steve-chen-201191-1-402.jpg

yahoo is founded by david filo & jerry yang ( Taiwanese ) … yahoo is now owned by stockholders. Marissa Mayer ( white woman) is now the CEO..
http://www.esuhsdef.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/yang_jerry.jpg

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APPLE engineers are Chinese overseas that have foreign accents ..( my dad told me when he went to apple HQ in manhattan )… thats because china is forcing apple to worked with Chinese companies and hire people in order for apple to gain access to the Chinese market...

thats the facts..


Indians dont have same leverage as Chinese contract with apple, companies court them with no strings attached or special conditions. & Indians are 1/3 of the apple engineers.. .. thats facts as well..

[CitizenX]

youtube was founded by Hurley, Steve Chen ( Taiwanese), and Jawed Karim.. youtube is now owned by google with indian CEO name Sundar Pichai.

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE4MDAzNDEwMjg2MzgwNTU4/steve-chen-201191-1-402.jpg

yahoo is founded by david filo & jerry yang ( Taiwanese ) … yahoo is now owned by stockholders. Marissa Mayer ( white woman) is now the CEO..
http://www.esuhsdef.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/yang_jerry.jpg

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APPLE engineers are Chinese overseas that have foreign accents ..( my dad told me when he went to apple HQ in manhattan )… thats because china is forcing apple to worked with Chinese companies and hire people in order for apple to gain access to the Chinese market...

thats the facts..


Indians dont have same leverage as Chinese contract with apple, companies court them with no strings attached or special conditions. & Indians are 1/3 of the apple engineers.. .. thats facts as well..

I don't see why he's denying reality, anyone who works in the tech sector or lives near the Silicon Valley can observe the Indian presence first hand. Even the Chinese/Taiwanese people here will readily admit Indians are one of the most relevant ethnic groups, if not the most.

[JohnSmith]

I noticed Chinese tend to run their own businesses which tend to be more small business. Indians tend to work for others and excel in those environments.

Small Business which Chinese thrive at is much more important to the main street economy as small business is where most Americans work.

[CitizenX]

I noticed Chinese tend to run their own businesses which tend to be more small business. Indians tend to work for others and excel in those environments.

Small Business which Chinese thrive at is much more important to the main street economy as small business is where most Americans work.

False. I assume you live in Georgia. So even more false, and if you're in Atlanta, VERY FALSE.

Indians are more known for running their own businesses than the Asians, they run everything from liquor stores and gas stations, to hotels, motels and start up companies.

[zhaoyun]

I don't see why he's denying reality, anyone who works in the tech sector or lives near the Silicon Valley can observe the Indian presence first hand. Even the Chinese/Taiwanese people here will readily admit Indians are one of the most relevant ethnic groups, if not the most.

I've never denied this.

But it's really just a small part of the larger tech picture.

[RMuller]

I don't see why he's denying reality, anyone who works in the tech sector or lives near the Silicon Valley can observe the Indian presence first hand. Even the Chinese/Taiwanese people here will readily admit Indians are one of the most relevant ethnic groups, if not the most.


Your race your people :puke::puke::puke::bullet puke:bullet puke:puke:puke:yuck::yuck: worse than dogs lol


https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1423/62/1423625087467.jpg

http://khurki.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/shitting-together.jpg

http://www.runawayguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/poo-and-pee-in-india1.jpg



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[CitizenX]

Your race your people :puke::puke::puke::bullet puke:bullet puke:puke:puke:yuck::yuck: worse than dogs lol


I don't care about that, we're talking about the USA, Juan.

I already know that goes on in India, but lets be real you and I both know Mexicans, Asians, MENAs, many Whites etc., are jealous of Indians because we basically run and own everything in the USA. We don't need approval from Whites. How many Mexican vs. Indian doctors are there?

Are there even 5 Mexican engineers in America? Are there even 10 worldwide?

Also, what time is your shift at Taco Bell over? better start mopping amigo.

[RMuller]

I don't care about that, we're talking about the USA, Juan.

I already know that goes on in India, but lets be real you and I both know Mexicans, Asians, MENAs, many Whites etc are jealous of Indians because we basically run shit in the USA. We don't need approval from Whites.

What time is your shift at Taco Bell over?

lol indians are irrelevant in the USA. 99.9% OF THE Businesses in the USA are run by non Indians.

India-shit pooping nation

[CitizenX]

lol indians are irrelevant in the USA. 99.9% OF THE Businesses in the USA are run by non Indians.

India-shit pooping nation

Um almost every 7-11, gas station, Subway, motel, and hotel in my area is owned by an Indian, and they have Mexicans working there, as well as Whites.

You can ask my uncle, lol. I'm not even joking by the way, he has loads of Mexican maids and janitors at his hotels. Aloft in Los Angeles, for instance.

[Dragoon]

Boring. Most Indians live in India by a large amount. Same like most Chinese live in China.
Why measure how tiny minority of them in foreign countries perform? Its almost irrelevant.
Plus India is sending better people, while China is keeping theirs.
Just need to compare China vs India in terms of quality, military, iq, gdp, how many people shit in the fields, and rape comparison.

East Asians and Europeans are way smarter than South Asians.

[RMuller]

Um almost every 7-11, gas station, Subway, motel, and hotel in my area is owned by an Indian, and they have Mexicans working there, as well as Whites.

You can ask my uncle, lol. I'm not even joking by the way, he has loads of Mexican maids and janitors at his hotels. Aloft in Los Angeles, for instance.

That means shit. That still amounts to less than 0.1% of the American owned businesses.In my area i see no Indian run business nor in So Cal.

Indians on this forum are the most hated despised group thanks to You. Indians are seen as in inferior people .

[zhaoyun]

Boring. Most Indians live in India by a large amount. Same like most Chinese live in China.
Why measure how tiny minority of them in foreign countries perform? Its almost irrelevant.
Plus India is sending better people, while China is keeping theirs.
Just need to compare China vs India in terms of quality, military, iq, gdp, how many people shit in the fields, and rape comparison.

East Asians and Europeans are way smarter than South Asians.

The best engineers in India dream about going to Silicon Valley.

The best engineers in China dream about making it big in Shenzhen.

That's the reality here.

[JohnSmith]

False. I assume you live in Georgia. So even more false, and if you're in Atlanta, VERY FALSE.

Indians are more known for running their own businesses than the Asians, they run everything from liquor stores and gas stations, to hotels, motels and start up companies.

They tend to own franchises or run businesses that are already proven, which again is not really innovative. Even Google, Amazon and Microsoft were proven ideas years and years before they had Indian CEOs.

The Chinese are kind of the same in many regards; however, China has policies which will promote the Chinese to stay in China and innovate and they have much better infrastructure which will in time support their innovation. Most Indians I would think want to leave India for a developed country and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Hindukush]

Brain drain that is why. You don't see many german or japanese ceos either. all the best talent stays in their home country. Lebanese people also do well in management positions in western countries.

[Hindukush]

here are some filipina CEOs doing what they do best, which is eating indian bananas. eating spanish chorizo for 300 years was not enough



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vJOdy_hJLA

[CitizenX]

The best engineers in India dream about going to Silicon Valley.

The best engineers in China dream about making it big in Shenzhen.

That's the reality here.

The best engineers from India work in Bangalore, and the other ones come to the Silicon Valley. Either way you like the Mexican and Hindukush abve are irrelevant to them. I don't know any Indians who ever discuss Chinese-Americans, they don't have time to think of you when they're running the Silicon Valley or high end hotels, no offense.

Also the Chinese steal American technology, which is why they are so ahead.

[CitizenX]

Boring. Most Indians live in India by a large amount. Same like most Chinese live in China.
Why measure how tiny minority of them in foreign countries perform? Its almost irrelevant.
Plus India is sending better people, while China is keeping theirs.
Just need to compare China vs India in terms of quality, military, iq, gdp, how many people shit in the fields, and rape comparison.

East Asians and Europeans are way smarter than South Asians.

Polaks are not smarter than anyone, they work low end jobs here, specifically construction and indoor plumbing. You are considered undesirable toilet cleaners by the Brits, by the way. And your crime rates are more than enough for them to want to deport you.

[CitizenX]

That means shit. That still amounts to less than 0.1% of the American owned businesses.In my area i see no Indian run business nor in So Cal.

Indians on this forum are the most hated despised group thanks to You. Indians are seen as in inferior people .

And your point? Of course we don't own all of them, Indians make up less than 2% of the USA population. The rest are Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, and east Asians.

[Hindukush]

From what my cousin in IT told me from observing different nationalities is that chinese and eastern euros (russians) have good technical skills but lack verbal and networking skills. Indians are okay technically and excel in verbal communication and work politics. Getting to the top in western companies is more than just smarts, you gotta be willing to play the game.

[CitizenX]

They tend to own franchises or run businesses that are already proven, which again is not really innovative. Even Google, Amazon and Microsoft were proven ideas years and years before they had Indian CEOs.

The Chinese are kind of the same in many regards; however, China has policies which will promote the Chinese to stay in China and innovate and they have much better infrastructure which will in time support their innovation. Most Indians I would think want to leave India for a developed country and there is nothing wrong with that.

Yes the Chinese are very innovative in small business: massage parlors, foot spas, nail salons, and fast food take out restaurants for all you fat Americans (not you specifically since you're not overweight)

[CitizenX]

From what my cousin in IT told me from observing different nationalities is that chinese and eastern euros (russians) have good technical skills but lack verbal and networking skills. Indians are okay technically and excel in verbal communication and work politics. Getting to the top in western companies is more than just smarts, you gotta be willing to play the game.

eastern euros are irrelevant, there are a lot here I've seen but like the Chinese seem very robotic and non-innovative. Just face it, we run this show and you don't.

They should stick to plumbing.

[Hindukush]

eastern euros are irrelevant, there are a lot here I've seen but like the Chinese seem very robotic and non-innovative. Just face it, we run this show and you don't.

They should stick to plumbing.



we don't run the show now but we did run the show in india for 300 years and converted countless hindus to islam.

I shall take a plane to india and take my rightful place as the emperor of all indians. We were born to be kings

indians were born to be servants for lighter races

Now get that fair and lovely cream and lather it on thoroughly to imitate your turkic masters my dark friend

[Hindukush]

we would of ruled india for ever if we didn't race mix




From the I timuri

My wazirs informed me that the whole amount of the revenue of India is six arbs; now each arb is a 100 krors, and each kror is a 100 lacs, and each lac is a 100,000 miskals of silver. Some of the nobles said “By the favour of Almighty God we may conquer India, but if we establish ourselves permanently therein, our race will degenerate and our children will become like the natives of those regions, and in a few generations their strength and valour will diminish.”

[Dragoon]

eastern euros are irrelevant, there are a lot here I've seen but like the Chinese seem very robotic and non-innovative. Just face it, we run this show and you don't.

They should stick to plumbing.

Better plumbing than no toilets like India. Btw Poland itself is very safe compared to India were rapes happen or Muslims/Hindus kill each other.

Russia itself has way more oil, resources, stronger military than India.
Eastern Europeans including Poles have higher iqs and better pisa scores. India cried and pulled out of PISA.
When you have 1.3 billion people its easy to pull out a few overachievers but still India is just South Asia. Not very smart.

Eastern Europeans and East Asians also have the top programmers.

[CitizenX]

we would of ruled india for ever if we didn't race mix

Indians hardly mixed with the Mughals or any of the other foreign invaders such as the Brits, Sakas, Persians, Greeks etc..

Lol you remind me of former user MagnusAurelius, i know you're not him but you two say the same stuff.

[Hindukush]

Indians hardly mixed with the Mughals or any of the other foreign invaders such as the Brits, Sakas, Persians, Greeks etc..

Lol you remind me of former user MagnusAurelius, i know you're not him but you two say the same stuff.

Stop chatting on forums and come and clean my toilet my dalit friend.

By royal decree send your sister to my harem and come and clean my toilet

All indians henceforth are to be declared the world's dalit from this day forward

[Tauromachos]

This would be a thread for Fractal.

To bad that he was banned

[Kamal900]

Boring. Most Indians live in India by a large amount. Same like most Chinese live in China.
Why measure how tiny minority of them in foreign countries perform? Its almost irrelevant.
Plus India is sending better people, while China is keeping theirs.
Just need to compare China vs India in terms of quality, military, iq, gdp, how many people shit in the fields, and rape comparison.

East Asians and Europeans are way smarter than South Asians.

Indeed. The average IQ level in India is 82 while east asians are over 100 which can compete with the western world. The reason why Indians in the west are able to compete is because of them come from upper caste and upper class society of India. India by even Indian standards is a shithole, and China, regardless of it's political system and all that, is doing a hell a lot better than it's south asian counterparts.

[Kamal900]

The best engineers in India dream about going to Silicon Valley.

The best engineers in China dream about making it big in Shenzhen.

That's the reality here.

Most of the indians in America are from upper caste and classes of India. It's obvious that they don't want to live in India in contrast to the Chinese who stay in their homeland to further develop their country and so on.

[Kamal900]

Polaks are not smarter than anyone, they work low end jobs here, specifically construction and indoor plumbing. You are considered undesirable toilet cleaners by the Brits, by the way. And your crime rates are more than enough for them to want to deport you.

Polaks are smarter, cleaner and more humble than any street shitter that I've seen. Pakistanis are nothing like Indians regardless on what's happening in their own country.

[CitizenX]

Most of the indians in America are from upper caste and classes of India. It's obvious that they don't want to live in India in contrast to the Chinese who stay in their homeland to further develop their country and so on.

What are you talking about, idiot? There are FAR more Chinese and other east Asians living inside the uSA than there are Indian-Americans, who make up only 1.5% of the American population. And if they are so proud by the way why do they mix with Whites at such a high rate unlike Hindus?

In California, nobody comments on how many Indians there are (unless they live near Silicon Valley/Sunnyvale, highly expensive areas full of Indian techies) as they do about the number of Chinese/e.Asians and Mexicans.

Patels aren' a high caste group (they are Kshatriyas-merchants), yet own 90% of all hotels here and have Whites, Middle Easterners, Latinos, Asians, etc working under them.

Oh by the way the average IQ of Indo-Americans is 112, higher than both Ashkenazis and Northeast Asians

as this former Georgia senator admits


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f64E3A-fzOk&t=1528s

[Kamal900]

What are you talking about, idiot? There are FAR more Chinese and other east Asians living inside the uSA than there are Indian-Americans, who make up only 2% of the American population. And if they are so proud by the way why do they mix with Whites at such a high rate unlike Hindus?

In California, nobody comments on how many Indians there are unless they live near Silicon Valley/Sunnyvale (highly expensive areas full of Indian techies) as they do about the number of Chinese/e.Asians and Mexicans.

Patels aren' a high caste group (they are Kshatriyas-merchants), yet own 90% of all hotels here and have Whites, Middle Easterners, Latinos, Asians, etc working under them.

Oh by the way the average IQ of Indo-Americans is 112, higher than both Ashkenazis and Northeast Asians


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f64E3A-fzOk&t=1528s

As I stated, the reason why Indian Americans are higher IQ is because they came from upper caste and classes of India. NOT a single one of these Indians will be willing to go back to India even if it kills them. The average IQ level of their homeland is around 82. Chinese and Indians don't try to push racial politics like Jews do which is why they're not hated as Jews when they try to push Jewish agenda for tribal interests.

[CitizenX]

Polaks are smarter, cleaner and more humble than any street shitter that I've seen. Pakistanis are nothing like Indians regardless on what's happening in their own country.

Please don't make me laugh.

Neither Polaks (or other EE Slavic people) nor Arabs here compare to the level of success of Indo-Americans, sorry to burst your bubble.

Im talking about the ones who are immigrating here at the moment, not someone like Wozniak or Steve Jobs who I know you may mention.

[zhaoyun]

The best engineers from India work in Bangalore, and the other ones come to the Silicon Valley. Either way you like the Mexican and Hindukush abve are irrelevant to them. I don't know any Indians who ever discuss Chinese-Americans, they don't have time to think of you when they're running the Silicon Valley or high end hotels, no offense.

Also the Chinese steal American technology, which is why they are so ahead.

No they don't. They see Bangalore as a steppingstone to Silicon Valley. Bangalore was actually more relevant maybe 10 years ago when India's software industry was seen as a rising power. But aside from outsourcing service jobs, it hasn't really gone anywhere significantly. Meanwhile, Shenzhen has emerged as a rival tech capital to Silicon Valley.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huju5McKgIU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gf2lk3d_vM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dVv5RMwzuo

I'm not saying that India doesn't have the potential, it does, but it will need to do a lot of hard work reforming its society to build the physical and social infrastructure to really compete head on. So far, it hasn't done that, however, I'm not ruling out that it eventually may figure it out.

Your latter point was more true maybe 10 years ago. Today, especially if we are talking about China's new tech field with these massive unicorns, many are piloting models and technology that you don't even find in the West. Actually, now there is an increasing movement of Western VC firms who are involved in China's tech scene, in bringing Chinese models back to the West.

[zhaoyun]

Yes the Chinese are very innovative in small business: massage parlors, foot spas, nail salons, and fast food take out restaurants for all you fat Americans (not you specifically since you're not overweight)

Those are mostly run by Vietnamese, but of course, you don't bother to differentiate.

Although point taken, many of the Chinese immigrants who come to the West are simple people who work their way up. Of course, there are the millionaires who buy mansions and everything, but the point is, Indian immigrants represent the cream of the crop of India, while the Chinese immigrants do not.

[zhaoyun]

From what my cousin in IT told me from observing different nationalities is that chinese and eastern euros (russians) have good technical skills but lack verbal and networking skills. Indians are okay technically and excel in verbal communication and work politics. Getting to the top in western companies is more than just smarts, you gotta be willing to play the game.

Absolutely, this is what I've seen as well.

[Kamal900]

Those are mostly run by Vietnamese, but of course, you don't bother to differentiate.

Although point taken, many of the Chinese immigrants who come to the West are simple people who work their way up. Of course, there are the millionaires who buy mansions and everything, but the point is, Indian immigrants represent the cream of the crop of India, while the Chinese immigrants do not.

Indeed:

As I stated, the reason why Indian Americans are higher IQ is because they came from upper caste and classes of India. NOT a single one of these Indians will be willing to go back to India even if it kills them. The average IQ level of their homeland is around 82. Chinese and Indians don't try to push racial politics like Jews do which is why they're not hated as Jews when they try to push Jewish agenda for tribal interests.

[stat1stical]

Better plumbing than no toilets like India. Btw Poland itself is very safe compared to India were rapes happen or Muslims/Hindus kill each other.

Russia itself has way more oil, resources, stronger military than India.
Eastern Europeans including Poles have higher iqs and better pisa scores. India cried and pulled out of PISA.
When you have 1.3 billion people its easy to pull out a few overachievers but still India is just South Asia. Not very smart.

Eastern Europeans and East Asians also have the top programmers.

No they aren't, Indians make up 70% of Apple and Microsoft, If they were such lousy programmers than why would the CEO's keep them around? Oh thats right the CEOs are Indian (lmao).

You as an Eastern European are far beneath Indians here, that's just a fact. You can look at their socioeconomic rankings, academics, and everything else. Indians live in the most expensive areas and contrary to the bullshitters above they are not the cream of the crop of India. There are many low income Indian enclaves in New York, Los Angeles, New Jersey and Chicago where Indians first settle in.

My mom's cousin is a director of engineering for Oracle (3 patents), my dad's cousin is an engineering director for Silicon Graphics which is no defunct (4-5 patents), etc etc. None of them came here with that much money in their pockets.

THis is a reality you should accept if you want to be relevant. And sorry but no one here sees Chinese are superior to anyone, White Americans are quite low IQ and dysgenic so obviously compared to those crud would be seen as super intelligent beings.

[stat1stical]

As I stated, the reason why Indian Americans are higher IQ is because they came from upper caste and classes of India. NOT a single one of these Indians will be willing to go back to India even if it kills them. The average IQ level of their homeland is around 82. Chinese and Indians don't try to push racial politics like Jews do which is why they're not hated as Jews when they try to push Jewish agenda for tribal interests.

False. Chinese aren't seen as superior superhumans here, most despise them no offense to the Chinese guy above. White Americans are mostly stupid and dysgenic, like you Arabs, so obviously compared to them they are quite high up there.

Indians make up 75% of the employee base at Apple, and other companies. You are so irrelevant it hurts to even argue with some Palestinian about this.

I have uncles with PhDs in electrical engineeirng, computer science, or physics who are smarter than your entire 1000 person family combined.

[stat1stical]

Those are mostly run by Vietnamese, but of course, you don't bother to differentiate.

Although point taken, many of the Chinese immigrants who come to the West are simple people who work their way up. Of course, there are the millionaires who buy mansions and everything, but the point is, Indian immigrants represent the cream of the crop of India, while the Chinese immigrants do not.

gonna throw your racial kinsmen under the bus like that?

Vietnamese are still seen as an East Asian type, as are Filipinos, I dont know whats up with Iron Man XL. It's like telling all the Gujaratis (high end businessmen), Punjabis, etc here they should distance themselves from South Indian (Tamils, Telegu) programmers.

[1R0N M4N XL]

False. Chinese aren't seen as superior superhumans here, most despise them no offense to the Chinese guy above. White Americans are mostly stupid and dysgenic, like you Arabs, so obviously compared to them they are quite high up there.

Indians make up 75% of the employee base at Apple, and other companies. You are so irrelevant it hurts to even argue with some Palestinian about this.

I have uncles with PhDs in electrical engineeirng, computer science, or physics who are smarter than your entire 1000 person family combined.

75% is too much.... its around 1/3 ( 2014) … just keep it real..


One in every 3 Apple engineers is Indian
https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/One-in-every-3-Apple-engineers-is-Indian/articleshow/39131973.cms

''Apple filed 1,750 H-1B applications during the 10-year period 2001 to 2010, but the number increased sharply to 2,800 during 2011-13. US-based HfS Research that compiled the data says the majority of the H-1Bs would be Indians''

[1R0N M4N XL]

gonna throw your racial kinsmen under the bus like that?

Vietnamese are still seen as an East Asian type, as are Filipinos, I dont know whats up with Iron Man XL. It's like telling all the Gujaratis (high end businessmen), Punjabis, etc here they should distance themselves from South Indian (Tamils, Telegu) programmers.

no were different genetically and culturally.. we have zero connections with them. outside of han Chinese displacing the native population of Taiwan.
( it just happens that Philippines & rest of Indo-Pacific is next to China)

blacks/whites/Hispanics/middle easterners can tell filipinos apart from east Asians very very easily..

if youre around us, you would know right away..

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also its false... (in east coast)Vietnamese dont own massage parlor with happy endings/escort...they owned nail salons..

just go to google and type Asian escort & type new York Asian escort, you'll get your answer... ( it ain't Vietnamese thats for sure...)


https://www2.bing.com/search?q=new+york+asian+escort&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=new+york+asian+escort&sc=0-20&sk=&cvid=D53F495B3F0E4482A44C34986437B59D <--- thats the evidence right there... I wont go any further.


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NYPD usually just go after the ''pimps'' who exploit the women and traffic women..

[1R0N M4N XL]

here are some filipina CEOs doing what they do best, which is eating indian bananas. eating spanish chorizo for 300 years was not enough



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vJOdy_hJLA

NO... i'm just keeping it real...…

[1R0N M4N XL]

Boring. Most Indians live in India by a large amount. Same like most Chinese live in China.
Why measure how tiny minority of them in foreign countries perform? Its almost irrelevant.
Plus India is sending better people, while China is keeping theirs.
Just need to compare China vs India in terms of quality, military, iq, gdp, how many people shit in the fields, and rape comparison.

East Asians and Europeans are way smarter than South Asians.

india was british colony for 300 years.... 300 something years of british taking their wealth and controlling their destiny..

china was never a colony. china isolated itself from the west + civil war.... while japan learned and imitated the west & invaded china. communist won over the nationalist.. and they are now in 2018 trying to replace the U.S

india is also predicted to be 3rd place on planet by 2050 because of its large size.. but the per capita is small. … things dont happen overnight.


its not a fair comparison, when china has 300 something year advantage over india....

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before the british came india and arabs always had influence in the indo-pacific.. like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, brunei, myammar... Vietnam was the only country that was fully influence by china...

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[Thambi]

india was british colony for 300 years.... 300 something years of british taking their wealth and controlling their destiny..

china was never a colony. china isolated itself from the west + civil war.... while japan learned and imitated the west & invaded china. communist won over the nationalist.. and they are now in 2018 trying to replace the U.S

india is also predicted to be 3rd place on planet by 2050 because of its large size.. but the per capita is small. … things dont happen overnight.


its not a fair comparison, when china has 300 something year advantage over india....

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before the british came india and arabs always had influence in the indo-pacific.. like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, brunei, myammar... Vietnam was the only country that was fully influence by china...

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Its partially true regarding the british control having an impact but it doesn't explain why india lacks in all aspects. Until 1970s-1980s india and china roughly had the same gdp but over the past 30-35 years china lifted itself from dirt poor using their skills to excel in manufacturing sector and communist government, their work ethic, intelligence overall help them in this regard. They even have developed singapore, malaysia so really props to the chinese for that.

with india yes the british did control but the high level of diversity, lack of unity, and focusing just on services sector has made indian economy quite stagnant. I guess recently it started having higher growth rate compared to china. during demonetization it was slow, but it overcame china's growth rate recently and hopefully will head in the right direction.

China has many that go abroad from higher class as well but what they do is they come back to china to start their own firm/company after doing undergrad/grad program in a western university so they could implement the acquired knowledge and skills to do something back home. Indians dont do that. Wish they fucking did though. They just go to the west and settle there.

One thing I need to highlight though is the caste discussion that went around in the previous paged on this thread. Most indians regardless of caste have done it well abroad. Singapore and malaysia have majority tamil migrants who are of low caste origin that went there to do labor work originally but today they rival the chinese kids in academics. Its the same case in UK and Canada where indians come from all backgrounds in those regions. In their respective countries yes chinese are wayy ahead compared to the indians in terms of pretty much...everything lol but in the west both can excel in things like IQ, businesses, etc given the proper resources and environment.

[zhaoyun]

india was british colony for 300 years.... 300 something years of british taking their wealth and controlling their destiny..

china was never a colony. china isolated itself from the west + civil war.... while japan learned and imitated the west & invaded china. communist won over the nationalist.. and they are now in 2018 trying to replace the U.S

india is also predicted to be 3rd place on planet by 2050 because of its large size.. but the per capita is small. … things dont happen overnight.


its not a fair comparison, when china has 300 something year advantage over india....

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before the british came india and arabs always had influence in the indo-pacific.. like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, brunei, myammar... Vietnam was the only country that was fully influence by china...

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China didn't have an advantage over India. There you go again, trying to knock down any credit for Chinese people.

First of all, India would not be a united country without Britain. Maybe Northern India would be united because of the Mughals, but India as a nation state is largely a British creation.

Secondly, India as a colony was in relative peace compared to the chaos and destruction China suffered from repeated foreign invasions, not to mention the brutal Japanese occupation and massacres, of course, you're going to deny they ever occurred, even though to do that, you have to deny the Bataan death march too. But I'm sure you will worm your way to somehow justify the denial of the Nanking massacre and Japanese brutality in China, while claiming the stories of their brutality was valid for the rest of Asia.

After independence, India had a government that had some socialist policies which slowed growth but by and large India was relatively stable compared to Communist China under Mao, who plunged China into several disasters including the Great Leap Forward where people starved to death to the Cultural Revolution where society was turned upside down. During this time, China missed three decades of growth and was in complete chaos.

In 1978, Deng Xiaoping started to reform China, slowly at first, then reforms accelerated in the 90s. In 1980, it was China that was coming from behind as it was in war and chaos for nearly a century, while India largely existed peacefully.

If China under Mao had undertaken the same policies that Deng pioneered from the get go in 1949, China would be as developed as Japan today. It's been making up for lost time. What has happened since 1980 is nothing short of a miracle, but of course, you would never acknowledge that.

[1R0N M4N XL]

Its partially true regarding the british control having an impact but it doesn't explain why india lacks in all aspects. Until 1970s-1980s india and china roughly had the same gdp but over the past 30-35 years china lifted itself from dirt poor using their skills to excel in manufacturing sector and communist government, their work ethic, intelligence overall help them in this regard. They even have developed singapore, malaysia so really props to the chinese for that.

with india yes the british did control but the high level of diversity, lack of unity, and focusing just on services sector has made indian economy quite stagnant. I guess recently it started having higher growth rate compared to china. during demonetization it was slow, but it overcame china's growth rate recently and hopefully will head in the right direction.

China has many that go abroad from higher class as well but what they do is they come back to china to start their own firm/company after doing undergrad/grad program in a western university so they could implement the acquired knowledge and skills to do something back home. Indians dont do that. Wish they fucking did though. They just go to the west and settle there.

One thing I need to highlight though is the caste discussion that went around in the previous paged on this thread. Most indians regardless of caste have done it well abroad. Singapore and malaysia have majority tamil migrants who are of low caste origin that went there to do labor work originally but today they rival the chinese kids in academics. Its the same case in UK and Canada where indians come from all backgrounds in those regions. In their respective countries yes chinese are wayy ahead compared to the indians in terms of pretty much...everything lol but in the west both can excel in things like IQ, businesses, etc given the proper resources and environment.

Singapore is ethic han-chinese.. they modelled their system after the united states.. Malaysia is complicated because the natives want the Chinese out & self deport within 2050.. Singapore was given by the malays for the sake of peace and no bloodshed between the 2 races..

as for the development of china... china was given access to world trade organization/or world market access led by bill Clinton.. thats when entrepreneurs flock to china to become millionaires/billionaires by selling made in china goods to the united states & globally.. that was the boost china had, that india didnt get ..

when you referring to I.Q... that means you have to be '' entrepreneur/ pioneer/creator/ engineer etc''.

after china started getting wealthy with china opening up... thats when they have access to university & research.. the Chinese just started to enter the global trade..

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on the 1970-1980s... Philippines collapse from 1st world to 3rd world... because dictatorship and chaos that followed it..

[1R0N M4N XL]

China didn't have an advantage over India. There you go again, trying to knock down any credit for Chinese people.

First of all, India would not be a united country without Britain. Maybe Northern India would be united because of the Mughals, but India as a nation state is largely a British creation.

Secondly, India as a colony was in relative peace compared to the chaos and destruction China suffered from repeated foreign invasions, not to mention the brutal Japanese occupation and massacres, of course, you're going to deny they ever occurred, even though to do that, you have to deny the Bataan death march too. But I'm sure you will worm your way to somehow justify the denial of the Nanking massacre and Japanese brutality in China, while claiming the stories of their brutality was valid for the rest of Asia.

After independence, India had a government that had some socialist policies which slowed growth but by and large India was relatively stable compared to Communist China under Mao, who plunged China into several disasters including the Great Leap Forward where people starved to death to the Cultural Revolution where society was turned upside down. During this time, China missed three decades of growth and was in complete chaos.

In 1978, Deng Xiaoping started to reform China, slowly at first, then reforms accelerated in the 90s. In 1980, it was China that was coming from behind as it was in war and chaos for nearly a century, while India largely existed peacefully.

If China under Mao had undertaken the same policies that Deng pioneered from the get go in 1949, China would be as developed as Japan today. It's been making up for lost time. What has happened since 1980 is nothing short of a miracle, but of course, you would never acknowledge that.

I mentioned everything you said already to summarize everything..


china was never a colony. china isolated itself from the west + civil war.... while japan learned and imitated the west & invaded china. communist won over the nationalist.. and they are now in 2018 trying to replace the U.S

[zhaoyun]

I mentioned everything you said already to summarize everything..

No, you were talking about China having a 300 years head start which is complete bullshit. In 1980, China was in shambles, because of 100 years of invasions, civil war, Japanese occupation and then the disastrous and chaotic policies of Mao Zedong.

If China had followed Deng's policies beginning in 1949, it'd be as or more developed than Japan today, on a per capita basis.

[1R0N M4N XL]

No, you were talking about China having a 300 years head start which is complete bullshit. In 1980, China was in shambles, because of 100 years of invasions, civil war, Japanese occupation and then the disastrous and chaotic policies of Mao Zedong.

If China had followed Deng's policies beginning in 1949, it'd be as or more developed than Japan today, on a per capita basis.

300 years of not being a colony... yes! I call that a head start... it doesnt matter if china was poor in 1980's..

and no the reason why the world is growing is because of American dominance of the planet... if it was pre ww2 or pre ww1.. china, japan could not get a fair trade globally because Europe controlled colonies all over the world.. doesnt matter if you had flying car you want to sell to mexico…. spain sets the trading rules in Latin-American.

if china wasn't a colony.. they have to adopt something similar to Japanese … and invade other countries to push out the Europeans and set up its trading block..

[zhaoyun]

300 years of not being a colony... yes! I call that a head start... it doesnt matter if china was poor in 1980's..

and no the reason why the world is growing is because of American dominance of the planet... if it was pre ww2 or pre ww1.. china, japan could not get a fair trade globally because Europe controlled colonies all over the world.. doesnt matter if you had flying car you want to sell to mexico…. spain sets the trading rules in Latin-American.

if china wasn't a colony.. they have to adopt something similar to Japanese … and invade other countries to push out the Europeans and set up its trading block..

Hong Kong was a colony and Mainland China wasn't. In 1978, Hong Kong was prosperous and developed because it had a stable, competent administration under the British, while Mainland China was in utter shambles. How do you explain that?

Today, parts of Mainland China are becoming more developed than Hong Kong in just under 4 decades because they changed their system.

In 1980, China didn't have an advantage over India. Not being colonized may have been one advantage China had, but India had many other advantages which included 150 years of relative peace while China was repeatedly invaded, occupied, suffered civil wars and disastrous communism.

In 1980, China was much poorer than even Southeast Asia or Latin America, which were colonized. So how do you explain that dividend then?

[Thambi]

Singapore is ethic han-chinese.. they modelled their system after the united states.. Malaysia is complicated because the natives want the Chinese out & self deport within 2050.. Singapore was given by the malays for the sake of peace and no bloodshed between the 2 races..

as for the development of china... china was given access to world trade organization/or world market access led by bill Clinton.. thats when entrepreneurs flock to china to become millionaires/billionaires by selling made in china goods to the united states & globally.. that was the boost china had, that india didnt get ..

when you referring to I.Q... that means you have to be '' entrepreneur/ pioneer/creator/ engineer etc''.

after china started getting wealthy with china opening up... thats when they have access to university & research.. the Chinese just started to enter the global trade..

_________
on the 1970-1980s... Philippines collapse from 1st world to 3rd world... because dictatorship and chaos that followed it..

yeah but those regions weren't really prosperous before due to japanese invasions and tensions that were going around in that entire area then the four asian tigers, singapore being one of them, emerge and develop their economies immensely.

well i kind of pointed out the chinese manufacturing aspect vs. indian service sector and thats what made a huge difference in the 1990s and 2000s.

No i wasn't saying you have to be of those professions to have a high IQ but I was rather just giving examples.

[Thambi]

Hong Kong was a colony and Mainland China wasn't. In 1978, Hong Kong was prosperous and developed because it had a stable, competent administration under the British, while Mainland China was in utter shambles. How do you explain that?

Today, parts of Mainland China are becoming more developed than Hong Kong in just under 4 decades because they changed their system.

In 1980, China didn't have an advantage over India. Not being colonized may have been one advantage China had, but India had many other advantages which included 150 years of relative peace while China was repeatedly invaded, occupied, suffered civil wars and disastrous communism.

In 1980, China was much poorer than even Southeast Asia or Latin America, which were colonized. So how do you explain that dividend then?

china had some advantages. First of all, china is a homogenous society with over 90%+ being han and can speak mandarin so they were united throughout history and india had differences in religion, language, caste, etc. This still exists today. Throughout history the pride in being han has helped china to fight wars during invasions, unite together, etc. India was divided and every invading group that came to india used this idea of diving and ruling, especially the british, and were all successful.

Secondly, China had better education and literacy. China always had higher literacy than india. India barely had literacy in single digits when british left india. Today india is at 75% but a quarter of the population still cant read and write.

India was left in chaos as well after partition of the country and mass migrations and internal clashes. They also caused a lot of famines as well, collected huge amounts of taxes, etc.

[1R0N M4N XL]

Hong Kong was a colony and Mainland China wasn't. In 1978, Hong Kong was prosperous and developed because it had a stable, competent administration under the British, while Mainland China was in utter shambles. How do you explain that?

Today, parts of Mainland China are becoming more developed than Hong Kong in just under 4 decades because they changed their system.

In 1980, China didn't have an advantage over India. Not being colonized may have been one advantage China had, but India had many other advantages which included 150 years of relative peace while China was repeatedly invaded, occupied, suffered civil wars and disastrous communism.

In 1980, China was much poorer than even Southeast Asia or Latin America, which were colonized. So how do you explain that dividend then?

hong kong was used as trading post by the british to trade with mainland.
Singapore 5 trillions of ships pass to there,..
Taiwan is mostly semi-conductors.

mainland china in 80's-90's opened to the world/entered the WTO with the help of bill Clinton. ( world trade organization).. china was around 1 trillion GDP before in entered the WTO..
after entry to the WTO.. entrepreneur flocked to china to take advantages of cheap labor.. that's what gave china the boost before Chinese were making ZTE, rooku and huwei .. chinas main advantages are 1.6 billion people and 90% of rare earth minerals.. + steel/aluminum..

as for india after independence in 1947.. ill let the Indians explains it..

as for south east Asians... ( Vietnam had civil war + embargo by U.N).. Malaysia developed..

PHilippines collapse from 1st world to 3rd world under dictator marcos.. ( Philippines just gotten its independence from America)… so basically the filipino tagalogs were still setting up to show different people to shows boss, and who runs the country, whos the leader, whos culture everyone is going to follow.. just think of Philippine version of Abraham Lincoln or japans meiji restoration period.. ).. by 2030 Philippine economy is expected 1.2 trillion.. 4 trillion in 2050....Indonesia & Thailand will be on top economies in 2050.. and ASEAN union will be 4th largest trading block in the world in 2030.

in short: if your historian living in 2050, you will say it only tooked indo-pacific & india 100 years of self rule to sort out its internal problems and developed as civilization, while china too more time..

Philippines was invaded by portugese, spain, japan, americans, british & muslims and few Chinese pirates. its been colony since early 15 century ,.. its isolated from everyone... islands are separated/isolated from other islands ( roads/bridges are hard to make).. everyone is still learning tagalog.. northern Luzon is basically mountains, muslims control all the wealth.. typhoon/floods is normal there.. ( its unique problem exclusive to the Philippines.).. while Indonesia & japan is connected island..

[zhaoyun]

china had some advantages. First of all, china is a homogenous society with over 90%+ being han and can speak mandarin so they were united throughout history and india had differences in religion, language, caste, etc. This still exists today. Throughout history the pride in being han has helped china to fight wars during invasions, unite together, etc. India was divided and every invading group that came to india used this idea of diving and ruling, especially the british, and were all successful.

Secondly, China had better education and literacy. China always had higher literacy than india. India barely had literacy in single digits when british left india. Today india is at 75% but a quarter of the population still cant read and write.

India was left in chaos as well after partition of the country and mass migrations and internal clashes. They also caused a lot of famines as well, collected huge amounts of taxes, etc.

True. Both countries had different advantages and disadvantages. In 1980 they were at around the same starting line as far as per capita income. In 1950, they were actually pretty close at the same starting line in terms of literacy and sanitation (or lack of), but the Communist govt did a better job at spreading mass literacy and also sanitation than India did. My primary point in arguing with Ironman is his propensity to constantly denigrate or discredit any type of achievement by Chinese people, who he clearly hates with a passion. So anything he posts is clearly done with an agenda.

Anyways, I'm the last person here to underestimate India despite the constant insults directed at me from certain Indian members here like Fractal. I think India has a tremendous potential due to its population and large numbers of talented people. It has many challenges, primarily stemming from internal social divisions, many backward customs, government corruption and these will be harder to conquer, but I think by and large, India will continue growing and solving problems and will at least be the third most important economy in the world by mid-century, easily. I actually think India's growing middle class will probably create a boom in all sorts of industries that will create a lot of industries, like it did for China back in the late 90s, early 2000s.

China and India should work to create a prosperous future for Asia this century, it will benefit all Asians.

[zhaoyun]

hong kong was used as trading post by the british to trade with mainland.
Singapore 5 trillions of ships pass to there,..
Taiwan is mostly semi-conductors.

mainland china in 80's-90's opened to the world/entered the WTO with the help of bill Clinton. ( world trade organization).. china was around 1 trillion GDP before in entered the WTO..
after entry to the WTO.. entrepreneur flocked to china to take advantages of cheap labor.. that's what gave china the boost before Chinese were making ZTE, rooku and huwei .. chinas main advantages are 1.6 billion people and 90% of rare earth minerals.. + steel/aluminum..

as for india after independence in 1947.. ill let the Indians explains it..

as for south east Asians... ( Vietnam had civil war + embargo by U.N).. Malaysia developed..

PHilippines collapse from 1st world to 3rd world under dictator marcos.. ( Philippines just gotten its independence from America)… so basically the filipino tagalogs were still setting up to show different people to shows boss, and who runs the country, whos the leader, whos culture everyone is going to follow.. just think of Philippine version of Abraham Lincoln or japans meiji restoration period.. ).. by 2030 Philippine economy is expected 1.2 trillion.. 4 trillion in 2050....Indonesia & Thailand will be on top economies in 2050.. and ASEAN union will be 4th largest trading block in the world in 2030.

in short: if your historian living in 2050, you will say it only tooked indo-pacific & india 100 years of self rule to sort out its internal problems and developed as civilization, while china too more time..

Philippines was invaded by portugese, spain, japan, americans, british & muslims and few Chinese pirates. its been colony since early 15 century ,.. its isolated from everyone... islands are separated/isolated from other islands ( roads/bridges are hard to make).. everyone is still learning tagalog.. northern Luzon is basically mountains, muslims control all the wealth.. typhoon/floods is normal there.. ( its unique problem exclusive to the Philippines.).. while Indonesia & japan is connected island..

Look, there is no point arguing with you as you are clearly biased and are very selective with your facts.

In 1980, the Philippines was a lot more well off than China was, despite its colonial history. So that just goes to refute your point about not being colonized giving China a 300 year head start, which is ridiculous.

[Larali]

the main factors is sociability , ''leadership skills'', personality, creativity/visionaries ... culture & language are 2nd..

in order to be CEO/management level... you have to be able to gain respect or desirable ..

I'm sure that some Chinese people are very capable in these areas, but their culture does not seem to encourage these characteristics. They are worker bees. The ones I've met (albeit, just a few) are very shy and anxious. They do what someone tells them, and they do it well, but they aren't outside-of-the-box thinkers, or very socially adept at all.

In the future, when there is more of a global economy (yes this will happen, despite many countries' efforts to avoid it), they will fill a niche: producing and selling commodities, which other countries use to further advance their own success.

Edit: hope I didn't offend you Zhao, you don't fit this stereotype at all. I was generalizing.

[zhaoyun]

I'm sure that some Chinese people are very capable in these areas, but their culture does not seem to encourage these characteristics. They are worker bees. The ones I've met (albeit, just a few) are very shy and anxious. They do what someone tells them, and they do it well, but they aren't outside-of-the-box thinkers, or very socially adept at all.

In the future, when there is more of a global economy (yes this will happen, despite many countries' efforts to avoid it), they will fill a niche: producing and selling commodities, which other countries use to further advance their own success.

Edit: hope I didn't offend you Zhao, you don't fit this stereotype at all. I was generalizing.

That stereotype really mostly fits parts of Southern China that has traditionally been the source of immigration to the West. Some say it is because they are historically rice farmers, an activity that encourages cohesive group oriented values.

Northern Chinese are much less like this. In Northeast China, they are pretty much like the Slavs of Asia with major alcoholic problems and street brawling, which is common. They are also a lot more outgoing to foreigners too. If you ever traveled around China, you'd be very surprised at how much of your stereotypes would be smashed. Most of the Chinese stereotypes in the West really just pertain to the Cantonese areas and other Southern Chinese enclaves.

[zhaoyun]

I'm sure that some Chinese people are very capable in these areas, but their culture does not seem to encourage these characteristics. They are worker bees. The ones I've met (albeit, just a few) are very shy and anxious. They do what someone tells them, and they do it well, but they aren't outside-of-the-box thinkers, or very socially adept at all.

In the future, when there is more of a global economy (yes this will happen, despite many countries' efforts to avoid it), they will fill a niche: producing and selling commodities, which other countries use to further advance their own success.

Edit: hope I didn't offend you Zhao, you don't fit this stereotype at all. I was generalizing.

This is more Northern Chinese culture, in the South they don't act like this. Northern Chinese are also a lot taller and bigger built than Southern Chinese and most other Asians. Not too many immigrate to the West, that's why the main impression Westerners have of Chinese are mainly the Southern Chinese from Guangdong (Cantonese) or Taiwan, or Zhejiang/Fujian. But that's just one corner of China, which is huge, bigger than Europe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rJ8xA2xvHc

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I'm sure that some Chinese people are very capable in these areas, but their culture does not seem to encourage these characteristics. They are worker bees. The ones I've met (albeit, just a few) are very shy and anxious. They do what someone tells them, and they do it well, but they aren't outside-of-the-box thinkers, or very socially adept at all.

In the future, when there is more of a global economy (yes this will happen, despite many countries' efforts to avoid it), they will fill a niche: producing and selling commodities, which other countries use to further advance their own success.

Edit: hope I didn't offend you Zhao, you don't fit this stereotype at all. I was generalizing.

LOLOLOLOLOL.... I was talking why Indians are becoming CEO's.... just looked at the US government.. Nikki haley( indian) is alpha dog in U.N meetings.. now I see what Donald trump see's in her..

Donald trump doesnt like butt kissers.. DT likes people that get things done..


yeah but those regions weren't really prosperous before due to japanese invasions and tensions that were going around in that entire area then the four asian tigers, singapore being one of them, emerge and develop their economies immensely.

well i kind of pointed out the chinese manufacturing aspect vs. indian service sector and thats what made a huge difference in the 1990s and 2000s.

No i wasn't saying you have to be of those professions to have a high IQ but I was rather just giving examples.

those manufacturing were foreigners/mostly americans who set up factories in china in the 90's...( Chinese companies like ZTE, huwei, rooku were recent today).. and yes china is now officially becoming competitor/economic threat.... but before that, they were just factory workers who didnt engineer the toys, kitchen appliances, clothes etc...

nothing wrong with that, its the 1st baby step.. my point is that china has good advantage..

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also as for Japan. S.korea they were once backwards as well or seen as incapable/lower class seen by the Chinese..

believe it or not... this was japan before Japanese started copying Chinese..
http://japanese-old-customs.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/3/3/16333014/2563846.jpeg?282

http://www.neko-mesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/atgsry6h67.png


http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/87/Warehouse_%28Kofun_era%29_Osaka_JPN_001.jpg

Japan had good advantage over everyone in asia & indo-pacific. unlike the Chinese who turned away from westerners.. while Japanese studied westerns & modernize quickly.

[zhaoyun]

LOLOLOLOLOL.... I was talking why Indians are becoming CEO's.... just looked at the US government.. Nikki haley( indian) is alpha dog in U.N meetings.. now I see what Donald trump see's in her..

Donald trump doesnt like butt kissers.. DT likes people that get things done..

Actually Nikki Haley is the biggest ass kisser to AIPAC in history. She's also clearly a social climber as she abandoned her Sikh religion clearly for her political ambitions.



those manufacturing were foreigners/mostly americans who set up factories in china in the 90's...( Chinese companies like ZTE, huwei, rooku were recent today).. and yes china is now officially becoming competitor/economic threat.... but before that, they were just factory workers who didnt engineer the toys, kitchen appliances, clothes etc...

nothing wrong with that, its the 1st baby step.. my point is that china has good advantage..

This is probably the few times you actually made a fair comment, although most of the factories that were set up were mostly by Hong Kong/Taiwanese/Overseas Chinese operators who then contracted with large multinationals.

Contrary to what you believe, I'm actually not against Trump starting a trade war with China. It's just business. The US hasn't been focused on its economic game for a long time and a lot of countries have taken advantage of it. Although the trade imbalance is nowhere as big as it seems because a lot of it is earned by multinationals and not by China, but there are a lot of areas where China needs to lower tariffs and not force IP transfers, China is still technically a developing country, but it has many huge regions that are developed now and can compete with the best of the world, so it can no longer operate based on developing country rules. So I agree with Trump on that.
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also as for Japan. S.korea they were once backwards as well or seen as incapable/lower class seen by the Chinese..

believe it or not... this was japan before Japanese started copying Chinese..
http://japanese-old-customs.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/3/3/16333014/2563846.jpeg?282

http://www.neko-mesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/atgsry6h67.png


http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/87/Warehouse_%28Kofun_era%29_Osaka_JPN_001.jpg

Japan had good advantage over everyone in asia & indo-pacific. unlike the Chinese who turned away from westerners.. while Japanese studied westerns & modernize quickly.

Yes, I'm well aware of Japanese history. The reason why they were able to adapt more quickly to the rise of the West is because Japan used to follow Chinese civilization so it was easier for them to switch to following Western civilization. China was arrogant and couldn't accept that it was surpassed, and it paid for it.

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Look, there is no point arguing with you as you are clearly biased and are very selective with your facts.

In 1980, the Philippines was a lot more well off than China was, despite its colonial history. So that just goes to refute your point about not being colonized giving China a 300 year head start, which is ridiculous.

it was about India & china... but you mention south east asia & Latin-American... so answered you directly...you have my answer..

Philippines collapse under dictator marcos..( The americans described giving Filipinos independence , is like giving a house to 12 year old child & will turn into dictatorship within time ).. its exactly what happen. its metaphor of being a young nation & not ready to handle things..

http://apjjf.org/data/brewerprop2.jpg

china however was fully grown man.

[zhaoyun]

it was about India & china... but you mention south east asia & Latin-American... so answered you directly...you have my answer..

Philippines collapse under dictator marcos..( The americans described giving Filipinos independence , is like giving a house to 12 year old child & will turn into dictatorship within time ).. its exactly what happen. its metaphor of being a young nation & not ready to handle things..

http://apjjf.org/data/brewerprop2.jpg

china however was fully grown man.

I will agree that China's long history gives it an advantage of central governance. But it doesn't change the fact that in 1980, China was poorer than even most African nations, let alone the Philippines or Latin America. Marcos might have been very corrupt, but it was nothing compared to the disaster that Mao subjected China to, where millions of people starved to death and schools were shut down for ten years and society was thrown upside down. So in 1980, China was one of the poorest countries in the world, much poorer than the Philippines.

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Actually Nikki Haley is the biggest ass kisser to AIPAC in history. She's also clearly a social climber as she abandoned her Sikh religion clearly for her political ambitions.



This is probably the few times you actually made a fair comment, although most of the factories that were set up were mostly by Hong Kong/Taiwanese/Overseas Chinese operators who then contracted with large multinationals.

Contrary to what you believe, I'm actually not against Trump starting a trade war with China. It's just business. The US hasn't been focused on its economic game for a long time and a lot of countries have taken advantage of it. Although the trade imbalance is nowhere as big as it seems because a lot of it is earned by multinationals and not by China, but there are a lot of areas where China needs to lower tariffs and not force IP transfers, China is still technically a developing country, but it has many huge regions that are developed now and can compete with the best of the world, so it can no longer operate based on developing country rules. So I agree with Trump on that.
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Yes, I'm well aware of Japanese history. The reason why they were able to adapt more quickly to the rise of the West is because Japan used to follow Chinese civilization so it was easier for them to switch to following Western civilization. China was arrogant and couldn't accept that it was surpassed, and it paid for it.


I will agree that China's long history gives it an advantage of central governance. But it doesn't change the fact that in 1980, China was poorer than even most African nations, let alone the Philippines or Latin America. Marcos might have been very corrupt, but it was nothing compared to the disaster that Mao subjected China to, where millions of people starved to death and schools were shut down for ten years and society was thrown upside down. So in 1980, China was one of the poorest countries in the world, much poorer than the Philippines.

bottom line:
comparing india & china is not fair comparison because of different history/situation... china had many advantages and was never colonized. it will only take india & indo-pacific around 100 years to developed/ to be fully grown & solve its internal problems... while china & japan took longer & who was never colonized..

you guys have been undermining india as if Indians are a bunch of scrubs..

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/1/6/1294335840193/GDP-projections-to-2050-g-008.jpg

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/gsgewheher.png?w=670&h=841&crop=1
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again for the record before indo-pacific had contact with Europeans.. indo-pacific always had contact with Indians, arabs. Polynesians and even semitic jews.. the civilizations was very Indianized.

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as for USA... even if china surpass USA... china will only have around 17,000 per capita..

while after watching the white house... us government will not let this happen.. trade war is just the beginning ..

[pythonator]

LOLOLOLOLOL.... I was talking why Indians are becoming CEO's.... just looked at the US government.. Nikki haley( indian) is alpha dog in U.N meetings.. now I see what Donald trump see's in her..


lol, i tried doing a bit of research on why there are more Indian CEOs than east Asian CEOs, and found this. Hilarious.

Do whites in the U.S. consider Indian Americans more "American" than East Asian Americans, due to similarities in facial features?

Yes, Indians are DEFINITELY considered more American than East Asians.

-I'm Chinese American. I get the "foreign," unsavory vibe much more than the Indians I know. Even in my snootily "progressive" city, I've been called "chink" and bullied due to my ethnicity.

-I can't "hide" my Chinese appearance the way my Indian, Hispanic, and Middle Eastern friends can. They can easily blend in and belong in the white landscape. There's no way I can "pass" the way these other groups can.

-East Asians are much more likely to be excluded, shunned, and bullied than Indians due to stereotypes and racism - much of what has to do with a differing physical appearance.

-There's a plethora of famous, successful Indian Americans, such as Atul Gawande, Deepak Chopra, Paul Kalanithi (RIP), Sanjay Gupta, and more. There's a whole cult of the Indian American doctor-writer. They blend into white America and marry white women. No East Asian men of similar talent and ambition can blend in and be accepted as easily.

-Indians don't face a "curry ceiling" as strongly as East Asians face a "bamboo ceiling." Indians rise up to management and CEO positions much more easily than East Asians.

-In contrast to what Monika Kothari is saying, Indian Americans are much more likely to out-marry than East Asians. East Asian men are considered unattractive and undesirable in America, while Indian men do not suffer from this terrible stigma.

-As others have said, subconsciously, Indians are considered more like "one of them" because their physical appearance is more similar to white people - facial features, eyes, build, etc. Therefore, Indian Americans are considered more attractive, treated better, hired more, respected more, promoted more, and seen more positively in general. This makes Indian Americans suffer from less depression, bullying, and exclusion than East Asians of similar intelligence, personality, education, etc.

https://www.quora.com/Do-whites-in-the-U-S-consider-Indian-Americans-more-American-than-East-Asian-Americans-due-to-similarities-in-facial-features

[pythonator]

LOLOLOLOLOL.... I was talking why Indians are becoming CEO's.... just looked at the US government.. Nikki haley( indian) is alpha dog in U.N meetings.. now I see what Donald trump see's in her..

Donald trump doesnt like butt kissers.. DT likes people that get things done..



those manufacturing were foreigners/mostly americans who set up factories in china in the 90's...( Chinese companies like ZTE, huwei, rooku were recent today).. and yes china is now officially becoming competitor/economic threat.... but before that, they were just factory workers who didnt engineer the toys, kitchen appliances, clothes etc...

nothing wrong with that, its the 1st baby step.. my point is that china has good advantage..

_________________

also as for Japan. S.korea they were once backwards as well or seen as incapable/lower class seen by the Chinese..

believe it or not... this was japan before Japanese started copying Chinese..
http://japanese-old-customs.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/3/3/16333014/2563846.jpeg?282

http://www.neko-mesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/atgsry6h67.png


http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/87/Warehouse_%28Kofun_era%29_Osaka_JPN_001.jpg

Japan had good advantage over everyone in asia & indo-pacific. unlike the Chinese who turned away from westerners.. while Japanese studied westerns & modernize quickly.

Well with his attitude Chinese-Americans won't get too far. Fact is if a Chinese and an indian walk into a corporate board meeting, the White guys will converse and pay more attention to the Desi than the Asian. Indians aren't seen as docile and timid, and aren't seen as automated robots.

This should be, there are too many INDIAN CEOs, not Asian.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi0-Ahj_80A

[zhaoyun]

Well with his attitude Chinese-Americans won't get too far. Fact is if a Chinese and an indian walk into a corporate board meeting, the White guys will converse and pay more attention to the Desi than the Asian. Indians aren't seen as docile and timid, and aren't seen as automated robots.

This should be, there are too many INDIAN CEOs, not Asian.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi0-Ahj_80A

What if a Filipino like the OP and a Desi walk into a board meeting?

[zhaoyun]

lol, i tried doing a bit of research on why there are more Indian CEOs than east Asian CEOs, and found this. Hilarious.

Do whites in the U.S. consider Indian Americans more "American" than East Asian Americans, due to similarities in facial features?

Yes, Indians are DEFINITELY considered more American than East Asians.

-I'm Chinese American. I get the "foreign," unsavory vibe much more than the Indians I know. Even in my snootily "progressive" city, I've been called "chink" and bullied due to my ethnicity.

-I can't "hide" my Chinese appearance the way my Indian, Hispanic, and Middle Eastern friends can. They can easily blend in and belong in the white landscape. There's no way I can "pass" the way these other groups can.

-East Asians are much more likely to be excluded, shunned, and bullied than Indians due to stereotypes and racism - much of what has to do with a differing physical appearance.

-There's a plethora of famous, successful Indian Americans, such as Atul Gawande, Deepak Chopra, Paul Kalanithi (RIP), Sanjay Gupta, and more. There's a whole cult of the Indian American doctor-writer. They blend into white America and marry white women. No East Asian men of similar talent and ambition can blend in and be accepted as easily.

-Indians don't face a "curry ceiling" as strongly as East Asians face a "bamboo ceiling." Indians rise up to management and CEO positions much more easily than East Asians.

-In contrast to what Monika Kothari is saying, Indian Americans are much more likely to out-marry than East Asians. East Asian men are considered unattractive and undesirable in America, while Indian men do not suffer from this terrible stigma.

-As others have said, subconsciously, Indians are considered more like "one of them" because their physical appearance is more similar to white people - facial features, eyes, build, etc. Therefore, Indian Americans are considered more attractive, treated better, hired more, respected more, promoted more, and seen more positively in general. This makes Indian Americans suffer from less depression, bullying, and exclusion than East Asians of similar intelligence, personality, education, etc.

https://www.quora.com/Do-whites-in-the-U-S-consider-Indian-Americans-more-American-than-East-Asian-Americans-due-to-similarities-in-facial-features

That's this insecure guy's own opinion.

I've led corporate teams that were made up of White Southerners, Russians, Blacks and Latinos. Of course, the fact that I'm over 6 feet, far above average intelligence and charismatic helped.

[Taiji]

bottom line: edited for conserving spaceWell, did you know that China is a very young nation founded only in 1949? For comparison, India was founded in 1947, and the Philippines in 1898. If China is a grown man, Philippines is an old man :laugh:

If you want to anthropomorphize countries, China is best represented as a child prodigy with an ancient culture.
https://i.imgur.com/jt6NfdN.jpg

Philippines is best represented as an elderly person with a modern culture.
https://i.imgur.com/isH7Aeg.jpg

And besides all the disadvantages Zhaoyun already added, I'll further add that both India and Philippines joined the WTO since its founding in 1995 while China joined in only 2001. However, the predecessor of the WTO was the GATT and Philippines joined the GATT in 1979, India joined the GATT in 1948 (bolded for importance).

This means that Philippines has a 23 year head start, India has a 53 year head start over China. This is fairly evident when India and Philippines were both far richer than China in the 80s (but through your incompetence, you squandered everything).


P.S. This is also evident with your frequent and frankly xenophobic whining about chinese in Southeast Asia, including the Philippines. People don't flee into a country worse than their own and today, no mainland chinese will ever immigrate to Southeast Asia. Times have changed, the rich have become poor and the poor have become rich.

[Taiji]

True. Both countries had different advantages and disadvantages. In 1980 they were at around the same starting line as far as per capita income. In 1950, they were actually pretty close at the same starting line in terms of literacy and sanitation (or lack of), but the Communist govt did a better job at spreading mass literacy and also sanitation than India did. My primary point in arguing with Ironman is his propensity to constantly denigrate or discredit any type of achievement by Chinese people, who he clearly hates with a passion. So anything he posts is clearly done with an agenda.

Anyways, I'm the last person here to underestimate India despite the constant insults directed at me from certain Indian members here like Fractal. I think India has a tremendous potential due to its population and large numbers of talented people. It has many challenges, primarily stemming from internal social divisions, many backward customs, government corruption and these will be harder to conquer, but I think by and large, India will continue growing and solving problems and will at least be the third most important economy in the world by mid-century, easily. I actually think India's growing middle class will probably create a boom in all sorts of industries that will create a lot of industries, like it did for China back in the late 90s, early 2000s.

China and India should work to create a prosperous future for Asia this century, it will benefit all Asians.To be honest, I feel that China's disadvantages are far greater than India's disadvantages. To give you an idea, India was so far ahead of China in the 60s that Nehru thought it would be a good idea to act aggressively and started pushing into chinese territory (got his ass kicked though because chinese are better fighters).

Chinese are simply a resilient people. Also chinese have a type of pride that's rarely found among others. I don't mean the nasty, arrogant pride that's always putting down others or blowing own trumpets like MN1Mexcoon, Ironman and Fractal are always doing. I think brown people, or those who are neither white or black, e.g. turks, southeast asians and mexicans are the most racist people by far and their posts support my observation. It's a racism born out of inferiority complex, they feel entitled for admiration/envy but have nothing to be envious about.

Chinese have an innate pride, one that's capable of respecting ourselves while respecting others. A pride that's comfortable with our faults yet always striving to do better. A pride that drives us to be the best we can. That's the chinese character and why many educated chinese choose to return to the motherland after their education is finished.

Even in our darkest hours, our forefathers understood the meaning of sacrifice, of building a better future.
https://i.imgur.com/I07tFu9.jpg
^This was China in the 80s. Chinese would toil and labor with a smile on their faces. All for the greater good. And this is one of the biggest reasons why China beats all the brown countries from Mexico to the Philippines to India to Turkey. It's because we're doers, not talkers.

And yes, Indians excel because they're good at climbing up the social ladder. I have a friend (Scotch-irish ancestry) who works with them and he told me that their quality is horrendous, the only reason they're there is because they're good at "kissing ass"

[zhaoyun]

To be honest, I feel that China's disadvantages are far greater than India's disadvantages. To give you an idea, India was so far ahead of China in the 60s that Nehru thought it would be a good idea to act aggressively and started pushing into chinese territory (got his ass kicked though because chinese are better fighters).

Chinese are simply a resilient people. Also chinese have a type of pride that's rarely found among others. I don't mean the nasty, arrogant pride that's always putting down others or blowing own trumpets like MN1Mexcoon, Ironman and Fractal are always doing. I think brown people, or those who are neither white or black, e.g. turks, southeast asians and mexicans are the most racist people by far and their posts support my observation. It's a racism born out of inferiority complex, they feel entitled for admiration/envy but have nothing to be envious about.

Chinese have an innate pride, one that's capable of respecting ourselves while respecting others. A pride that's comfortable with our faults yet always striving to do better. A pride that drives us to be the best we can. That's the chinese character and why many educated chinese choose to return to the motherland after their education is finished.

Even in our darkest hours, our forefathers understood the meaning of sacrifice, of building a better future.
https://i.imgur.com/I07tFu9.jpg
^This was China in the 80s. Chinese would toil and labor with a smile on their faces. All for the greater good. And this is one of the biggest reasons why China beats all the brown countries from Mexico to the Philippines to India to Turkey. It's because we're doers, not talkers.

And yes, Indians excel because they're good at climbing up the social ladder. I have a friend (Scotch-irish ancestry) who works with them and he told me that their quality is horrendous, the only reason they're there is because they're good at "kissing ass"

In Chinese, there is a phrase "Chi Ku" which means "To eat bitterness" and it is deeply ingrained in Chinese people from their childhood. The idea that you have to be able to suffer and live the hard life, before you enjoy the fruits of your hard work. Chinese people are extremely practical, resilient and tough people who work hard through the most difficult conditions with an eye on the future. That is why Chinese people have a very high savings rate, because they are always planning for the future unlike some cultures where people are quick to throw a party once they get paid.

http://www.jonathaninthedistance.com/2011/04/eating-bitterness.html

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@taiji pvt msg..


I've finally seen your picture (with the shades, sitting in a couch with friend?). Unimpressed. So let's not ask any more silly questions demanding a photoshow.

i'm assuming zhouyun/shazou/selurong showed you a picture of me in my motorhome dutchstar bus..


[ checked your Pvt MSG] … I sent you my photo already.

you need to show your picture like a man.. youre face in my PVT MSG.. ill post pictures of without shades..

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and to answer your question... theres triads here in NYC & in Philippines/indo-pacific... in bay area where zhouyun lives... its tongs...
most of the drugs in Philippines & south east asia comes from Chinese triads..

rikers islands prison in new York has a few triad members in prison.

[zhaoyun]

@taiji pvt msg..

i'm assuming zhouyun/shazou/selurong showed you a picture of me in my motorhome dutchstar bus..


[ checked your Pvt MSG] … I sent you my photo already.

you need to show your picture like a man.. youre face in my PVT MSG.. ill post pictures of without shades..

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and to answer your question... theres triads here in NYC & in Philippines/indo-pacific... in bay area where zhouyun lives... its tongs...
most of the drugs in Philippines & south east asia comes from Chinese triads..

rikers islands prison in new York has a few triad members in prison.

First of all, I have never seen your pic until you posted on my wall. I don't have a pic to show him and I don't sneakily send photos of members to other members without their permission.

Secondly, I don't have anything to do with the triads. They are all fobs and Cantonese speaking anyways, I don't speak Cantonese. My life is pretty Americanized.

[Teutone]

Who the hell do you think manage these Chinese unicorns?

Fact is, India is far more westernized. That gives Indian elites a head start in moving up the ladder of WESTERN companies. In the end, they are still working for someone else.

China is becoming a superpower. Chinese companies are beginning to dominate entire tech fields. India is still largely third world and nowhere close. Like seriously, look at the big picture. Of course, you guys can have fun jacking off imagining how inferior Chinese people are.

When you move back to China?

You sound like another diaspora nationalist, but since you live in the USA an immigrant nation it can be forgiven

[zhaoyun]

When you move back to China?

You sound like another diaspora nationalist, but since you live in the USA an immigrant nation it can be forgiven

I'm actually one of the least nationalistic people here, but I will defend Chinese people if they are wrongly attacked.

I'm too Americanized to live in China. My wife is not even Asian, so why would I live in China? I actually wouldn't mind living in some cities in China, but I'm fully invested here as far as my life goes.

[Taiji]

@taiji pvt msg..

i'm assuming zhouyun/shazou/selurong showed you a picture of me in my motorhome dutchstar bus..


[ checked your Pvt MSG] … I sent you my photo already.

you need to show your picture like a man.. youre face in my PVT MSG.. ill post pictures of without shades..

___________

and to answer your question... theres triads here in NYC & in Philippines/indo-pacific... in bay area where zhouyun lives... its tongs...
most of the drugs in Philippines & south east asia comes from Chinese triads..

rikers islands prison in new York has a few triad members in prison.Just to confirm, it isn't any of them who showed me your photo. Zhao would never do that. Anyways, it doesn't matter who sent me your photo, all that matters is that the whole thing is settled now and my curiosity was sated. I have no intention of using it for anything and won't repost it.

[Thanas Django]

Final conclusions. Indians are filled with inferiority complexes.

[Teutone]

I'm actually one of the least nationalistic people here, but I will defend Chinese people if they are wrongly attacked.

I'm too Americanized to live in China. My wife is not even Asian, so why would I live in China? I actually wouldn't mind living in some cities in China, but I'm fully invested here as far as my life goes.

Well you defended the chinese regime several times while enjoy the first amandment in the usa

[zhaoyun]

Well you defended the chinese regime several times while enjoy the first amandment in the usa

I only defend what I know as incorrect. There are a lot of what the Chinese govt does that I wouldn't defend. But in the West, the media usually shows a very skewed version of life in China. I do the same if I am talking to people in China and they have a very stereotyped view of the US, or American culture.

I constantly get attacked in this place which is race obsessed for being Chinese, so if I am defensive, it's because of that. In my real life, race barely plays a role in my interactions with people.

[Teutone]

I only defend what I know as incorrect. There are a lot of what the Chinese govt does that I wouldn't defend. But in the West, the media usually shows a very skewed version of life in China. I do the same if I am talking to people in China and they have a very stereotyped view of the US, or American culture.

I constantly get attacked in this place which is race obsessed for being Chinese, so if I am defensive, it's because of that. In my real life, race barely plays a role in my interactions with people.

there is EVERY reason to attack the thugs of the chinese regime, who knows how many people got executed simply for being critical.

[zhaoyun]

there is EVERY reason to attack the thugs of the chinese regime, who knows how many people got executed simply for being critical.

Alright, that's your opinion. I already know how you feel so there's no point in trying to change your extreme opinion.

Obviously the Chinese govt has a lot of flaws, but society is also changing rapidly. The newer generations are growing up with more awareness and knowledge of the outside world. Eventually the political situation of the country will change too, this has been the case with all of the Asian countries that have rapidly developed, S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, they once had dictatorships as well.

[Teutone]

Alright, that's your opinion. I already know how you feel so there's no point in trying to change your extreme opinion.

Obviously the Chinese govt has a lot of flaws, but society is also changing rapidly. The newer generations are growing up with more awareness and knowledge of the outside world. Eventually the political situation of the country will change too, this has been the case with all of the Asian countries that have rapidly developed, S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, they once had dictatorships as well.

china is a different level as we saw at the Tian’anmen massacre and the way the worst war criminal ever mao achieved his power.

calling the chinese govt criminal is not an opinion, unless you are cool with killing and lock up people for critical thoughts

[zhaoyun]

china is a different level as we saw at the Tian’anmen massacre and the way the worst war criminal ever mao achieved his power.

calling the chinese govt criminal is not an opinion, unless you are cool with killing and lock up people for critical thoughts

No, I am not cool with that. But at the same time, you have never been there so you don't see the full picture. Tell me how a country could magically become an enlightened, prosperous and compassionate place when the people are not even at that level? Do you think the US, Germany and Britain became liberal democracies overnight?

China has 1.4 billion people. Many of them are deeply uneducated and lawless. It will take a solid 2-3 generations of development to completely transform the population into well educated, law abiding and enlightened people. The urban youth of China are getting there, they behave a lot better than the older generations. But if there is complete freedom in China right now, it will be utter chaos. It won't be the enlightened liberal democracy that you're imagining.

[Teutone]

No, I am not cool with that. But at the same time, you have never been there so you don't see the full picture. Tell me how a country could magically become an enlightened, prosperous and compassionate place when the people are not even at that level? Do you think the US, Germany and Britain became liberal democracies overnight?

China has 1.4 billion people. Many of them are deeply uneducated and lawless. It will take a solid 2-3 generations of development to completely transform the population into well educated, law abiding and enlightened people. The urban youth of China are getting there, they behave a lot better than the older generations. But if there is complete freedom in China right now, it will be utter chaos. It won't be the enlightened liberal democracy that you're imagining.

Do I have to visit KSA or the Islamic state before I am allowed to say they are awful "countries" in terms of basic human rights and mostly the justice system?

I dont hate Chinese people, only speak positive about south east asians, but I am highly against a ideologically communist brutal regime takes over the world leadership.

[zhaoyun]

Do I have to visit KSA or the Islamic state before I am allowed to say they are awful "countries" in terms of basic human rights and mostly the justice system?

I dont hate Chinese people, only speak positive about south east asians, but I am highly against a ideologically communist brutal regime takes over the world leadership.

Well, I would really suggest for you to travel there first then make your own judgment. Often times, when you actually visit a country you realize a lot of realities you were not aware of before.

A democratic China at this point would actually be far more dangerous than the currently authoritarian government. There are hundreds of millions of poorly educated people in China who have very limited exposure to the outside world, if the Chinese government was deeply tied to their whims, you can bet it'd be threatening nuclear holocaust every time there is a perceived insult against China from a foreign country. Currently the government can easily rein in emotions and make rational decisions, it wouldn't be able to do that if it was constantly hounded by the public opinion of hundreds of millions of ignorant people. Trust me, China has 10x the amount of "rednecks" that the US has.

It is easy to be an ideologue when you sit in a chair thousands of miles away. Liberal democracy cannot work if you have an uneducated, irrational and lawless population. It takes several generations of economic wealth, education and enlightenment to transform a poor, ignorant population into one that respects law and order, human rights, and respect for other nations.

Things aren't as simple as you'd imagine and definitely not for governing a country with 1.4 billion people.

[Teutone]

Well, I would really suggest for you to travel there first then make your own judgment. Often times, when you actually visit a country you realize a lot of realities you were not aware of before.

A democratic China at this point would actually be far more dangerous than the currently authoritarian government. There are hundreds of millions of poorly educated people in China who have very limited exposure to the outside world, if the Chinese government was deeply tied to their whims, you can bet it'd be threatening nuclear holocaust every time there is a perceived insult against China from a foreign country. Currently the government can easily rein in emotions and make rational decisions, it wouldn't be able to do that if it was constantly hounded by the public opinion of hundreds of millions of ignorant people. Trust me, China has 10x the amount of "rednecks" that the US has.

It is easy to be an ideologue when you sit in a chair thousands of miles away. Liberal democracy cannot work if you have an uneducated, irrational and lawless population. It takes several generations of economic wealth, education and enlightenment to transform a poor, ignorant population into one that respects law and order, human rights, and respect for other nations.

Things aren't as simple as you'd imagine and definitely not for governing a country with 1.4 billion people.

In India it certainly works

And I boycott Chinese products whenever I can and wont support the communist regime by spend my Euros in China by visit it. The human rights situation of China is crystal clear. Maybe give Hong Kong, Xinjang, Tibet etc more autonomy or independence would outcome positively

[zhaoyun]

In India it certainly works

And I boycott Chinese products whenever I can and wont support the communist regime by spend my Euros in China by visit it. The human rights situation of China is crystal clear. Maybe give Hong Kong, Xinjang, Tibet etc more autonomy or independence would outcome positively

Actually, India is a good example of why democracy doesn't work in a third world country. You can think whatever you want, but China has made way more progress in all social measures than India has.

Certain regions of China can probably be well functioning liberal democracies at this point, maybe the coastal provinces which are well developed with decent HDI levels. But when you look at the country as a whole, there are a lot of social measures in which it is still far behind.

[Thambi]

To be honest, I feel that China's disadvantages are far greater than India's disadvantages. To give you an idea, India was so far ahead of China in the 60s that Nehru thought it would be a good idea to act aggressively and started pushing into chinese territory (got his ass kicked though because chinese are better fighters).

Chinese are simply a resilient people. Also chinese have a type of pride that's rarely found among others. I don't mean the nasty, arrogant pride that's always putting down others or blowing own trumpets like MN1Mexcoon, Ironman and Fractal are always doing. I think brown people, or those who are neither white or black, e.g. turks, southeast asians and mexicans are the most racist people by far and their posts support my observation. It's a racism born out of inferiority complex, they feel entitled for admiration/envy but have nothing to be envious about.

Chinese have an innate pride, one that's capable of respecting ourselves while respecting others. A pride that's comfortable with our faults yet always striving to do better. A pride that drives us to be the best we can. That's the chinese character and why many educated chinese choose to return to the motherland after their education is finished.

Even in our darkest hours, our forefathers understood the meaning of sacrifice, of building a better future.
https://i.imgur.com/I07tFu9.jpg
^This was China in the 80s. Chinese would toil and labor with a smile on their faces. All for the greater good. And this is one of the biggest reasons why China beats all the brown countries from Mexico to the Philippines to India to Turkey. It's because we're doers, not talkers.

And yes, Indians excel because they're good at climbing up the social ladder. I have a friend (Scotch-irish ancestry) who works with them and he told me that their quality is horrendous, the only reason they're there is because they're good at "kissing ass"

china sent in 8 times more troops than india. That issue started when china expanded into indian occupied kashmir and arunachal pradesh due to some construction of roads in that region. Yes india did underestimate china I guess and thats why India sent only some troops to stop the expansion and they looked at an opportunity to expand a bit north into chinese territory as well cause they didnt think they would wage war and open cease fire. chinese started attacking then and sent in a lot of troops, about 80 thousand to give an estimate. India has those border disputes still in place today with both pakistan and china.

but anyways I agree chinese are quite resilient and have gone thru tough conditions and proved themselves. Even in US they were quite hard working and built themselves up through building railroads to dominating in tech related fields today. Every ethnic group proved themselves though. Indians dont think they're better than chinese. India respects china and is striving to model itself according to east asian countries.

Also your one friend's opinion doesn't prove how the entire indian community acts to get to higher positions. Thats like me saying my friend saw some chinese at his school cheating their way through tests in high school and college and therefore concluding that all chinese cheat their way into getting to where they are. Its really absurd the way you make those assertions. Indians work their asses off to get to where they are as well. In south east asia, UK, canada many indians rose from poor conditions when they arrived with immense discrimination along with it and eventually getting to the respectable positions they are in currently comparable to most chinese in those areas. Other than the middle east, indians are doing well everywhere else abroad and they aren't really from high castes or something.

Again most indians or most nations across the globe actually have huge respect for the chinese. You are being just as hypocritical and racist by saying all "brown" nations have folks that portray racism based on envious feelings towards whites and north east asians. In india there's a saying called "athidi devo Bava" which is basically saying that " a guest is equal to a god". So if anything we respect foreigners that much doesn't matter if they are african, british, chinese, latino, etc. You can't base how indians are due to few anthroforum users lol.

[Purohit ji]

Why so many indian haters here? Because of fractal? Or other reason

[Thambi]

Why so many indian haters here? Because of fractal? Or other reason

i think on this thread they were just retaliating to what fractal said but yeah on this forum in general I noticed the same thing. don't know why. Apparently most indian users on these anthroforums come off as trollish.

[Ülev]

^^
envy, just that
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpelPgePHrkrFYGgtFD8xsQ

[MysteriousWays]

Indians have done quite well in corporate management. Look at Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Cognizant, many others. In particular, Microsoft and Adobe were floundering around prior to their current CEO's. Of course, Google was doing quite well but it is expanding to a new level.

[zhaoyun]

Why so many indian haters here? Because of fractal? Or other reason

I'm not an Indian hater, but clearly the OP likes to instigate attacks against Chinese people using Indians as bait, and it doesn't help that Fractal soon joins in to escalate insults.

[Anthony PV]

i think on this thread they were just retaliating to what fractal said but yeah on this forum in general I noticed the same thing. don't know why. Apparently most indian users on these anthroforums come off as trollish.
Nah, the only Indian trolls on TA are ButlerKing and Fractal. TA is a madhouse where everyone shit on anyone. The reason of the animosity against Indians in this specific thread is the old rivalry between China and India.

[zhaoyun]

Nah, the only Indian trolls on TA are ButlerKing and Fractal. TA is a madhouse where everyone shit on anyone. The reason of the animosity against Indians in this specific thread is the old rivalry between China and India.

So tell me when I ever started an anti-India thread, or put up shit street memes like the tons of Euro/Mena/Latin members here whenever they want to insult Indians?

I'm actually one of the fairest and probably more educated members when assessing India, which is remarkable considering the type of constant racial insults I get subjected to that come from Fractal.

[Anthony PV]

So tell me when I ever started an anti-India thread
Indeed, you don't do that. However, you are strangely riled up whenever someone compares China to India.


or put up shit street memes like the tons of Euro/Mena/Latin members here whenever they want to insult Indians?
I don't care about what these foreign devils do. They can make babies with their sisters and eat their own fecal matter for all I care. Just because they behave like this doesn't mean a son of the middle empire has to lower himself to their level.


I'm actually one of the fairest and probably more educated members when assessing India
:rolleyes:


which is remarkable considering the type of constant racial insults I get subjected to that come from Fractal.
Meh, Fractal is a no-lifer whose sole purpose in life is to create a new account on TA after his precedent one got banned. So his comments have no value whatsoever.

[zhaoyun]

Indeed, you don't do that. However, you are strangely riled up whenever someone compares China to India.


I don't care about what these foreign devils do. They can make babies with their sisters and eat their own fecal matter for all I care. Just because they behave like this doesn't mean a son of the middle empire has to lower himself to their level.


:rolleyes:


Meh, Fractal is a no-lifer whose sole purpose in life is to create a new account on TA after his precedent one got banned. So his comments have no value whatsoever.

I've actually maintained my calm in this thread, but if you think I got riled up, it was less because of the India dimension and more because I recognized this as another act of instigation by Ironman using the Indians as a tool to put down Chinese people.

[Anthony PV]

I've actually maintained my calm in this thread, but if you think I got riled up, it was less because of the India dimension and more because I recognized this as another act of instigation by Ironman using the Indians as a tool to put down Chinese people.
Permaban him, then. :)

[zhaoyun]

Permaban him, then. :)

I already do, at least 5x a week.

I meant Fractal. As for Ironman, he's been annoying but he hasn't violated any forum rules that would deserve a ban.

[punkybrewster]

When you move back to China?

You sound like another diaspora nationalist, but since you live in the USA an immigrant nation it can be forgiven

I live around many European immigrants, i can't count how many Germans I see flying their German flag from their car. Especially the ones who stay at the HOTELS WE OWN.

So when are they moving back to Germany?

And i agree, he's a Chinese nationalist and should move back to China, it'd be great if they all did.

[punkybrewster]

So tell me when I ever started an anti-India thread, or put up shit street memes like the tons of Euro/Mena/Latin members here whenever they want to insult Indians?

I'm actually one of the fairest and probably more educated members when assessing India, which is remarkable considering the type of constant racial insults I get subjected to that come from Fractal.

Um sorry but this thread wasn't about India vs. China. China's rise is irrelevant to most Indian-Americans, especially my group.

If you want more respect by Indians in business and in the tech world, the first step is to change your attitude. Like all the Asians who act friendly with us on campus. I know its difficult when you get ignored by them but if you smile you can get their attention.

The Indian above is a Telegu I believe. They're seen as a bit more docile and timid similar to east Asians, they don't own as many businesses as we do, and mostly work in software engineering. While my group is mostly in hardware/electronics, or for running their own businesses.

[punkybrewster]

I'm not an Indian hater, but clearly the OP likes to instigate attacks against Chinese people using Indians as bait, and it doesn't help that Fractal soon joins in to escalate insults.

Look, do you want me to send you tips on how to get more attention from Indians in the business world and in tech? Like I said the first step is attitude and not having a chip on your shoulder.

They're not gonna want to listen to how great China is, or the quality of Chinese made goods.

[Taiji]

china sent in 8 times more troops than india. That issue started when china expanded into indian occupied kashmir and arunachal pradesh due to some construction of roads in that region. Yes india did underestimate china I guess and thats why India sent only some troops to stop the expansion and they looked at an opportunity to expand a bit north into chinese territory as well cause they didnt think they would wage war and open cease fire. chinese started attacking then and sent in a lot of troops, about 80 thousand to give an estimate. India has those border disputes still in place today with both pakistan and china.

but anyways I agree chinese are quite resilient and have gone thru tough conditions and proved themselves. Even in US they were quite hard working and built themselves up through building railroads to dominating in tech related fields today. Every ethnic group proved themselves though. Indians dont think they're better than chinese. India respects china and is striving to model itself according to east asian countries.

Also your one friend's opinion doesn't prove how the entire indian community acts to get to higher positions. Thats like me saying my friend saw some chinese at his school cheating their way through tests in high school and college and therefore concluding that all chinese cheat their way into getting to where they are. Its really absurd the way you make those assertions. Indians work their asses off to get to where they are as well. In south east asia, UK, canada many indians rose from poor conditions when they arrived with immense discrimination along with it and eventually getting to the respectable positions they are in currently comparable to most chinese in those areas. Other than the middle east, indians are doing well everywhere else abroad and they aren't really from high castes or something.

Again most indians or most nations across the globe actually have huge respect for the chinese. You are being just as hypocritical and racist by saying all "brown" nations have folks that portray racism based on envious feelings towards whites and north east asians. In india there's a saying called "athidi devo Bava" which is basically saying that " a guest is equal to a god". So if anything we respect foreigners that much doesn't matter if they are african, british, chinese, latino, etc. You can't base how indians are due to few anthroforum users lol.I'll give you a sincere response since you didn't come raging at me like most indians. What you believe about the 1962 Sino-Indian War is wrong. It was almost entirely India's fault as India was the one who declared war with China. Chinese weren't the aggressors, indians were and Nehru's 'Forward Policy' of reclaiming land (which obviously does not belong to indians but to the native northeasterners) was the catalyst of the war: http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/may/23spec.htm

Chinese aggression is a myth and China repeatedly offered for a ceasefire with indians (indians only accepted this when Nehru realized that the chinese could push all the way to Dehli and "conquer" it if they wanted): http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/may/23spec.htm

On October 20, the Chinese launched a pre-emptive offensive all along the borders, overwhelming the feeble -- but, in this first instance, determined -- resistance of the Indian troops and advancing some distance in the eastern sector. On October 24, Beijing offered a ceasefire and Chinese withdrawal on the condition that India agree to open negotiations: Nehru refused the offer even before the text was officially received. Both sides built up over the next three weeks, and the Indians launched a local counterattack on November 15, arousing in India fresh expectations of total victory.

The Chinese then renewed their offensive. Now many units of the once crack Indian 4th Division dissolved into rout without giving battle and, by November 20, there was no organised Indian resistance anywhere in the disputed territories. On that day, Beijing announced a unilateral ceasefire and intention to withdraw its forces: Nehru, this time, tacitly accepted.


The fact that indians still insist China is at fault and clearly want revenge suggests that indians don't want peace. You know, if we looked at the war diaries of the chinese soldiers at the time, they never spoke ill of the indians (the same way indians shit on chinese soldiers). They showed indians respect, POWs were fed, and India's weapons were cleaned up and returned. Name one other country that would treat an enemy with such graciousness? Just one?

I also know that indians were trying to hindunize the arunachalis at the time, and feeding them anti-chinese propaganda. Yet some of the older arunachalis had thought well of the chinese soldiers, who weren't the monsters they expected http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-the-1962-war-how-china-lost-the-battle-for-hearts/20121030.htm

Phurpa could hardly believe her eyes. These were the monsters who, just three years earlier, had tried to kill the Dalai Lama in Lhasa, causing tens of thousands of Tibetans to flee their homeland, passing through the Dirang and Sangti valleys on their way to new lives as refugees in India. But here the Chinese were, bowing politely and accepting khatas, behaving for all the world like honoured visitors.

For a full month to come, they would continue to live in the area, cultivating the villagers, fetching water, harvesting crops and even holding feasts. But the PLA would never succeed in gaining the trust of locals or in becoming a part of their lives.
(Just to be clear, arunachalis indeed have a reason to mistrust and even hate the chinese. They're very close to tibetans, some even fled from Tibet because of China so I don't hold it against them)

Of course, India's own campaign in the northeast against Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur in particular was nothing short of brutal. Indians boast about not using air support against China yet did not hesitate to conduct air strikes against civilian populations in Aizawl, Mizoram. Under the AFSPA, so many atrocities were committed including mass rapes and murder. I have a mizo friend and she hates indians to the bone because of this. And I don't blame her one bit. By the way, there are indeed many northeasterners who are proud indians, majority even. But there's a significant minority who hate indians and want independence and I'll tell you why. Being called 'chinki' or from China/Nepal is the tip of the iceberg. It's because in light of the traumatic past, they often face discrimination, are othered and constantly have to prove that they're indian despite all the contributions they've made to India. In India, it's normal for northeasterners to be raped or beaten in public by a mob of racists. I don't know about others but that's biggest reason among many that I mistrust indians.

As for the anthroforums, it's not just that. I've seen many unpleasant things with indians on a non-anthro website much bigger than this. Indians are one of the largest populations there and at one time, chinese were as well. However, indians would constantly start discussions trolling chinese posters (to the point many native chinese took note of this). One of the most common topics was the han persecution of chinese minorities.

Of course, the China bashers were too stupid to see that minorities in China didn't just include tibetan/uighur exiles and that not all minorities had problems with the central government. Naturally, chinese minorities from China objected to this. I know that they are minorities because they had posts and photos showing traditional wear/revealed their locations, languages and others were friends. But instead of listening to what they had to say, the users, mostly indians would accuse them of being han imposters/50 cents/brainwashed (and all that crap) and spout offensive language (the most bullied was a tibetan and also a half tibetan/naxi girl, living in Tibet proper). Some of them fought back and were subsequently banned. Some of them just got fed up and left. And the many han who saw this helped their fellow compatriots (meeting the same fate). In reality, that's how all of us really are like including overseas. Contrary to the accusations, we really do see each other as family and inter-ethnic discrimination isn't widespread. That's the other biggest reason why I mistrust indians.

Now you can see things from my hypocritical point of view and why I'm always "trashing indians". The reason why I responded back to you with a tl;dr long ass post is because I feel that you're at least respectful and deserve to know why. Actually as an individual, you're OK. I'm not OK, but I also don't represent most chinese. I'm sure indians, southeast asians, europeans, browns, blacks have many reasons to hate chinese as well and I can respect that. Most chinese will treat you well, I'm just very messed up but be relieved. Some day soon, I'll pack up my bags and leave for China so bear with me till then. Many chinese still need a helping hand and enjoying the benefits of a first world while ignoring children suffering doesn't feel right.

[RMuller]

lol, i tried doing a bit of research on why there are more Indian CEOs than east Asian CEOs, and found this. Hilarious.

Do whites in the U.S. consider Indian Americans more "American" than East Asian Americans, due to similarities in facial features?

Yes, Indians are DEFINITELY considered more American than East Asians.

-I'm Chinese American. I get the "foreign," unsavory vibe much more than the Indians I know. Even in my snootily "progressive" city, I've been called "chink" and bullied due to my ethnicity.

-I can't "hide" my Chinese appearance the way my Indian, Hispanic, and Middle Eastern friends can. They can easily blend in and belong in the white landscape. There's no way I can "pass" the way these other groups can.

-East Asians are much more likely to be excluded, shunned, and bullied than Indians due to stereotypes and racism - much of what has to do with a differing physical appearance.

-There's a plethora of famous, successful Indian Americans, such as Atul Gawande, Deepak Chopra, Paul Kalanithi (RIP), Sanjay Gupta, and more. There's a whole cult of the Indian American doctor-writer. They blend into white America and marry white women. No East Asian men of similar talent and ambition can blend in and be accepted as easily.

-Indians don't face a "curry ceiling" as strongly as East Asians face a "bamboo ceiling." Indians rise up to management and CEO positions much more easily than East Asians.

-In contrast to what Monika Kothari is saying, Indian Americans are much more likely to out-marry than East Asians. East Asian men are considered unattractive and undesirable in America, while Indian men do not suffer from this terrible stigma.

-As others have said, subconsciously, Indians are considered more like "one of them" because their physical appearance is more similar to white people - facial features, eyes, build, etc. Therefore, Indian Americans are considered more attractive, treated better, hired more, respected more, promoted more, and seen more positively in general. This makes Indian Americans suffer from less depression, bullying, and exclusion than East Asians of similar intelligence, personality, education, etc.

https://www.quora.com/Do-whites-in-the-U-S-consider-Indian-Americans-more-American-than-East-Asian-Americans-due-to-similarities-in-facial-features

Indian men "EAST INDIAN "are the most rejected group in the USA lol and Latinas reject Indian men the most lol

INDIAN-AMERICAN MEN REJECTION RATE LMAOO

96.43% REJECTION RATE BY LATINAS
96.11% REJECTION RATE BY WHITE WOMEN
94.66% REJECTION RATE BY ASIAN WOMEN
94.00% REJECTION RATE BY BLACK WOMEN

https://i.imgur.com/5ac3epw.png

[Taiji]

@taiji pvt msg..

i'm assuming zhouyun/shazou/selurong showed you a picture of me in my motorhome dutchstar bus..


[ checked your Pvt MSG] … I sent you my photo already.

you need to show your picture like a man.. youre face in my PVT MSG.. ill post pictures of without shades..

___________

and to answer your question... theres triads here in NYC & in Philippines/indo-pacific... in bay area where zhouyun lives... its tongs...
most of the drugs in Philippines & south east asia comes from Chinese triads..

rikers islands prison in new York has a few triad members in prison.Ironman check your PM. I'm sincerely feeling bad for messing with you and I don't know, really tired (guess all this teasing around does get old after a while). Hope you'll accept my apology, explanations and an olive branch. You don't have to accept anything, but I'll keep true to my words and leave you alone from now on.

I know, I know. As Nuwa's descendent, I must be more snake than human and in your culture, snakes are evil deceivers. But I hope you'll look past your prejudices and realize that even snakes repay kindness with kindness: https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/pet-snake-saves-family-from-house-fire

[1R0N M4N XL]

Well, did you know that China is a very young nation founded only in 1949? For comparison, India was founded in 1947, and the Philippines in 1898. If China is a grown man, Philippines is an old man :laugh:

If you want to anthropomorphize countries, China is best represented as a child prodigy with an ancient culture.
https://i.imgur.com/jt6NfdN.jpg

Philippines is best represented as an elderly person with a modern culture.
https://i.imgur.com/isH7Aeg.jpg

And besides all the disadvantages Zhaoyun already added, I'll further add that both India and Philippines joined the WTO since its founding in 1995 while China joined in only 2001. However, prior the predecessor of the WTO was the GATT and Philippines joined the GATT in 1979, India joined the GATT in 1948 (bolded for importance).

This means that Philippines has a 23 year head start, India has a 53 year head start over China. This is fairly evident when India and Philippines were both far richer than China in the 80s (but through your incompetence, you squandered everything).

P.S. This is also evident with your frequent and frankly xenophobic whining about chinese in Southeast Asia, including the Philippines. People don't flee into a country worse than their own and today, no mainland chinese will ever immigrate to Southeast Asia. Times have changed, the rich have become poor and the poor have become rich.

FACTS 101:

Philippine independence is 4 July 1946 granted by united states ... july 4 was chosen date because its symbolizes the same day America gain Independence from the british..
1898 was when America bought PHilippines, Cuba & Puerto Rico from spain… even after independence U.S still had strings attached in the Philippines for around 10-20 years.

Philippine constitutional, education system & basically everything was modelled after united states.. the philippines refused the offer to be annexed like hawaii/Alaska.

china was never a colony. China was controlled & govern by Chinese .. the only reason why china stop isolating itself was because british/French march towards ''next to'' Chinese capital to sign a surrender. ..china had hundreds years of experience governing itself, experience .. the Philippines forgot to speak their native languages/writings their identity & history... its been colony since 15 century ( thats mid-evil times with bows & arrows)

youre comparing 12 year old who just inherited a house/stocks/small business ( Philippines) … to broke 50-60 year old guy learning stock trade/real estate /learning computers to keep up with modern times...(china). the last time South east asians have govern themselves was before 15 century..( they had iron, trading networks in 15 century etc)

during 1980's philippines was still under dictator Ferdinand marcos.. and other groups who wanted to detrone the government.. it was only in the 1986 when the democracy was stored again.. by that time the economy collapse already under marcos because of ''looted gold reserves'' , he controlled the media, banks, trading rules, investors, educational system & other crap he pulled off. following president aquino there was communist uprising & other power vacuum supported by the Chinese in the 90's.. 90's to 2000s.. the American base subic navy base in philippines was closed in 1992 ending American political influence. and the Spanish language was just abolished in 1987.... while Chinese were speaking mandarin for thousands of years..


on the same period..
1 trillion GDP china joined the WTO at year 2000 with the helped of the united states under Bill Clinton. thats when entrepreneurs flock china to set up factories to make toys, kitchen appliances & other cheap goods.. bill Clinton reasons why it would help U.S influence china , and help china move away from the soviet union model..

[1R0N M4N XL]

When you move back to China?

You sound like another diaspora nationalist, but since you live in the USA an immigrant nation it can be forgiven


Well you defended the chinese regime several times while enjoy the first amandment in the usa

just ask ODIN, doggerman, Danielion, other americans smeagol, carlito, rmuller,... we all can see right through him..
( they will tell you their different observations)

we all see his loyalty to china over united states.... his anti-western & anti-american..
he wants china to invade japan for payback. he wants china to surpass america & have oriental dominated world.. he wants all neighboring nations to bow & pay tribute to china.
he brags how china would crush india.. united nations is wrong and china is right.. china owns all the oceans..

and he was lecturing me in how it would be great if china conquered the philippines in the past.
just like how the austronesians natives of taiwan were displaced by han-chinese.
he wants philippines to ally with china & backstab america..

deep down inside, he is still seems himself as chinese blooded whos connected with civilization of 4,000 years old..
wrong or right... his loyalty is in china..


the reason why he cant moved back to china is because china doesnt give citzenships to overseas chinese until recently in feb
( when chinese government is now issuing visa).. and china overall isnt like japan..

[1R0N M4N XL]

In India it certainly works

And I boycott Chinese products whenever I can and wont support the communist regime by spend my Euros in China by visit it. The human rights situation of China is crystal clear. Maybe give Hong Kong, Xinjang, Tibet etc more autonomy or independence would outcome positively

this is what happen..

china has civil war in WW2 with communist party under mao ( modelled after the soviet union) and KMT nationalist/republic (fled to what is taiwan today)
china is now authorian because xi jinping was given power by the party because they are dead set in surpassing united states by 2030.
they seek to push the unite states out of asia.. and have all us allies to bow to china through intimidation with military basses ..

those unruly, uncivlised chinese, uneducated Chinese were the product of the communist /authoritarian that won in world war 2.. where they hire an army of internet soldiers ( called 50 cent army) to control how people think & reason.. during maos time, they would destroy old traditional Chinese culture.

the product democracy/republic are hong kongers & taiwan the ones that migrated to the united states are the ones with good reputation.

S.koreans & N.koreans same race but act/think differently.

[1R0N M4N XL]

I've actually maintained my calm in this thread, but if you think I got riled up, it was less because of the India dimension and more because I recognized this as another act of instigation by Ironman using the Indians as a tool to put down Chinese people.

you want me to quote you & Taiji past comments on Indians? …

this thread about '' WORK ENVINRONMENT'' from Chinese state media.. you never had a performance revaluation by your boss?.. youre the one with the big ego claiming Indians are not your competitors , but at the same time youre using their reputation/success in SV as your own to justify U.S government not deporting Chinese in America.. I bet you dont even know how to read computer language.



i think on this thread they were just retaliating to what fractal said but yeah on this forum in general I noticed the same thing. don't know why. Apparently most indian users on these anthroforums come off as trollish.

visit other Chinese websites & say the bicycle ( made in china )I bought from Walmart didnt last 2 weeks.. and youll pick up very quickly to how people behave/react to that.. I used to be just like you..



Why so many indian haters here? Because of fractal? Or other reason
.. visit chinadaily.com and pakistandefense.com and see how Chinese treats Indians & see for yourself. there no different from Taiji... ( Taiji is proudly Chinese)

I owned a Asian website.. i'm fully aware how Chinese treat Indians... I know them very well..

[1R0N M4N XL]

First of all, I have never seen your pic until you posted on my wall. I don't have a pic to show him and I don't sneakily send photos of members to other members without their permission.

Secondly, I don't have anything to do with the triads. They are all fobs and Cantonese speaking anyways, I don't speak Cantonese. My life is pretty Americanized.

I can actually prove it, that you thumbs it up. in was a thread that members were showing their cars/vechicles…

my point is I have no problem showing up.. i'm the reason why that fat guy doesnt show up online anymore..


Just to confirm, it isn't any of them who showed me your photo. Zhao would never do that. Anyways, it doesn't matter who sent me your photo, all that matters is that the whole thing is settled now and my curiosity was sated. I have no intention of using it for anything and won't repost it.

in other words, you were bluffing/lying caught red handed... DONT B.S ME... but dont worry, i'm not surprise by your actions, sneaky & dishonesty .

[1R0N M4N XL]

Permaban him, then. :)

loki is the owner.. zhoyun has boss he answers to...

I spoke to loki already..

[1R0N M4N XL]

Ironman check your PM. I'm sincerely feeling bad for messing with you and I don't know, really tired (guess all this teasing around does get old after a while). Hope you'll accept my apology, explanations and an olive branch. You don't have to accept anything, but I'll keep true to my words and leave you alone from now on.

I know, I know. As Nuwa's descendent, I must be more snake than human and in your culture, snakes are evil deceivers. But I hope you'll look past your prejudices and realize that even snakes repay kindness with kindness: https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/pet-snake-saves-family-from-house-fire

in Judaism, Christianity & Islam ( which is completely alien to you & Zhou)..

.snakes is the symbol of satan/devil ( deceiver)... dragon is also a symbol of satan..

snakes used to have legs and arms like lizards/Chinese dragons.. the legs/arms was removed because it was too arrogant of its craftiness & deceived naïve adam & eve.


while in Chinese dragon is symbol of wisdom, power, and luck in Chinese ..

[Thambi]

I'll give you a sincere response since you didn't come raging at me like most indians. What you believe about the 1962 Sino-Indian War is wrong. It was almost entirely India's fault as India was the one who declared war with China. Chinese weren't the aggressors, indians were and Nehru's 'Forward Policy' of reclaiming land (which obviously does not belong to indians but to the native northeasterners) was the catalyst of the war: http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/may/23spec.htm

Chinese aggression is a myth and China repeatedly offered for a ceasefire with indians (indians only accepted this when Nehru realized that the chinese could push all the way to Dehli and "conquer" it if they wanted): http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/may/23spec.htm


The fact that indians still insist China is at fault and clearly want revenge suggests that indians don't want peace. You know, if we looked at the war diaries of the chinese soldiers at the time, they never spoke ill of the indians (the same way indians shit on chinese soldiers). They showed indians respect, POWs were fed, and India's weapons were cleaned up and returned. Name one other country that would treat an enemy with such graciousness? Just one?

I also know that indians were trying to hindunize the arunachalis at the time, and feeding them anti-chinese propaganda. Yet some of the older arunachalis had thought well of the chinese soldiers, who weren't the monsters they expected http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-the-1962-war-how-china-lost-the-battle-for-hearts/20121030.htm

(Just to be clear, arunachalis indeed have a reason to mistrust and even hate the chinese. They're very close to tibetans, some even fled from Tibet because of China so I don't hold it against them)

Of course, India's own campaign in the northeast against Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur in particular was nothing short of brutal. Indians boast about not using air support against China yet did not hesitate to conduct air strikes against civilian populations in Aizawl, Mizoram. Under the AFSPA, so many atrocities were committed including mass rapes and murder. I have a mizo friend and she hates indians to the bone because of this. And I don't blame her one bit. By the way, there are indeed many northeasterners who are proud indians, majority even. But there's a significant minority who hate indians and want independence and I'll tell you why. Being called 'chinki' or from China/Nepal is the tip of the iceberg. It's because in light of the traumatic past, they often face discrimination, are othered and constantly have to prove that they're indian despite all the contributions they've made to India. In India, it's normal for northeasterners to be raped or beaten in public by a mob of racists. I don't know about others but that's biggest reason among many that I mistrust indians.

As for the anthroforums, it's not just that. I've seen many unpleasant things with indians on a non-anthro website much bigger than this. Indians are one of the largest populations there and at one time, chinese were as well. However, indians would constantly start discussions trolling chinese posters (to the point many native chinese took note of this). One of the most common topics was the han persecution of chinese minorities.

Of course, the China bashers were too stupid to see that minorities in China didn't just include tibetan/uighur exiles and that not all minorities had problems with the central government. Naturally, chinese minorities from China objected to this. I know that they are minorities because they had posts and photos showing traditional wear/revealed their locations, languages and others were friends. But instead of listening to what they had to say, the users, mostly indians would accuse them of being han imposters/50 cents/brainwashed (and all that crap) and spout offensive language (the most bullied was a tibetan and also a half tibetan/naxi girl, living in Tibet proper). Some of them fought back and were subsequently banned. Some of them just got fed up and left. And the many han who saw this helped their fellow compatriots (meeting the same fate). In reality, that's how all of us really are like including overseas. Contrary to the accusations, we really do see each other as family and inter-ethnic discrimination isn't widespread. That's the other biggest reason why I mistrust indians.

Now you can see things from my hypocritical point of view and why I'm always "trashing indians". The reason why I responded back to you with a tl;dr long ass post is because I feel that you're at least respectful and deserve to know why. Actually as an individual, you're OK. I'm not OK, but I also don't represent most chinese. I'm sure indians, southeast asians, europeans, browns, blacks have many reasons to hate chinese as well and I can respect that. Most chinese will treat you well, I'm just very messed up but be relieved. Some day soon, I'll pack up my bags and leave for China so bear with me till then. Many chinese still need a helping hand and enjoying the benefits of a first world while ignoring children suffering doesn't feel right.

Bro with that same logic wasn't tibet invaded by china? Different sources say different things. It was mainly disputes over who gets what and neither one of them is innocent here. Nehru followed ideologies opposite to gandhi and was very aggressive in general. He initiated attack first as I stated in my previous statement as well, but it started with china's border with kashmir and when they recently were building roads in tibet that wasoriginally part of india. Thats what most sources say atleast. I blame the british as well though since northeast india, other than assam, was not really part of the indian society throughout history. They acquired northeast india just like china got tibet, xinjiang, etc. Northeast indians are indifferent imo. They dont really like mainland indians but they dont wish to join china, burma, etc. the major issue in india is with kashmir. They want to be either become their own nation or join pakistan.

In terms of northeastern rape? Well idk their women, just like most east asian women, are generally better looking than mainland indian women and they expose quite a bit with short/tight clothes as well and a lot of sexually frustrated indian men will obviously get erected from that. I'm not justifying their actions at all but the rape happens a lot in india because most men dont have sex until marriage and neither do they get into relationships with free will. They are in constant fear that their parents will catch them and punish them for such actions. Its the same case in the middle east but over there they punish rapists with death hence people dont do it as much over there. There should definitely be strict laws prohibiting such actions in india.

A lot of north easterners are given opportunities in mainland india just like most other indians. They will get some racist attacks here and there because they look drastically different from us. However, its no where as big as the media makes it out to be lol. Besides indians/south asians insult and attack each other physically or verbally from all regions. North indians call us south indians black and north indians are called retarded/uneducated. Nepalis call indians dhoti(indian garment), kaalu(black) and nepalis are called chinki/momo, etc. Pakistanis call us black and ugly as well. Gujaratis are stingy, bengali women are sexy but men are the ugliest, etc. There are a bunch of stereotypes lol. Northeasterners get their share as well.

and yeah you do say some controversial stuff. Fractal does too and its worse than what you say tbh. I see your point of view but many of those things you stated are done by indian government not by people. People on both sides dont know and dont care about each other that much. the knowledge about china among indian public is limited and vice versa. Its better to push forward and work together for the asian century just like zhaoyun mentioned earlier. We could have exchange programs, do concerts in each other's countries, show culture, art, talent across the borders.

[zhaoyun]

I can actually prove it, that you thumbs it up. in was a thread that members were showing their cars/vechicles…

my point is I have no problem showing up.. i'm the reason why that fat guy doesnt show up online anymore..



in other words, you were bluffing/lying caught red handed... DONT B.S ME... but dont worry, i'm not surprise by your actions, sneaky & dishonesty .

If you did post a pic before and I thumbed it up, I forgot all about it. I may not have really known who you were then.

[Taiji]

Shortened for brevityThat's not true at all, Ironman. The Philippines was founded in 1898 and your first president was Emilio Aguinaldo. This marked the beginning of the Philippines as a nation state, as you clearly had a nationalistic ideal starting much earlier. In contrast, China at this time was still a civilization state and we didn't know any better. By 1912, China was in a state of anarchy and possibly before this. China was officially founded in 1949.

So the Philippines/Southeast Asia already had a head start in politics way before China. Furthermore, being a colony wasn't bad for India/Philippines (most of China's most developed regions were colonial territories), it made you the richest country in Asia alongside Japan. You had all the infrastructure, social development, education, employment provided by the americans but unlike the japanese, indians/filipinos blew it all. In contrast, China literally had to start from scratch after complete devastation from invasions and civil wars. If it wasn't for the USSR, China would never have the technology to kickstart the economy.

Thirdly, India and Philippines were in WTO/GATT from 1948 to 1979 respectively. China joined in 2001, which shows that you were integrated into the world economy so much earlier.

Fourthly, you talk about languages but mandarin only truly became the national language in 1911. Before there were suggestions to make it official. However, there were literally hundreds of dialects/languages spoken across China and the majority of the population was illiterate. So the situation isn't much different from the Philippines with the exception that China was much poorer, lacking the resources of the Philippines. This is evident by the 'millions' of chinese 'fleeing' to the Philippines. You and India are lucky to be living in the tropics where you never worry about drought, famine, blizzards.

If you think about it, China isn't just a child prodigy but an orphan. You're literally the old man claiming to be young just to compete with a child (and losing). Don't you feel ashamed?

[Taiji]

Bro with that same logic wasn't tibet invaded by china? Different sources say different things. It was mainly disputes over who gets what and neither one of them is innocent here. Nehru followed ideologies opposite to gandhi and was very aggressive in general. He initiated attack first as I stated in my previous statement as well, but it started with china's border with kashmir and when they recently were building roads in tibet that wasoriginally part of india. Thats what most sources say atleast. I blame the british as well though since northeast india, other than assam, was not really part of the indian society throughout history. They acquired northeast india just like china got tibet, xinjiang, etc. Northeast indians are indifferent imo. They dont really like mainland indians but they dont wish to join china, burma, etc. the major issue in india is with kashmir. They want to be either become their own nation or join pakistan. You're the first indian I've seen who has admitted that Nehru was aggressive. Most other indians were angry that Nehru was weak, too naive, trusted the chinese too much, too passive, etc. They wanted him to be more aggressive/genocidal forgetting that this is what caused the war in the first place. I think the comparison between China in Tibet/Xinjiang isn't as comparable to India and the Northeast. In China's case, Tibet and Xinjiang were considered chinese territory based on the territorial claims from the Qing Dynasty (1721 onwards for Tibet). I'm not justifying China's annexation of Tibet/Xinjiang which was clearly brutal but the fact is it was part of China when China was defined as a nation.

With India's case, it is a little bit different. Northeast India became a part of India as an inheritance from the british. Systematic abuses and atrocities (war rape, murder of civilians) were a common occurrence. Most of such reports in China are based on hearsay while this isn't the case for India as there have been documented cases (including of atrocities in Kashmir, Hyderabad). The point is that the list of actual atrocities/massacres, genocides in modern India against civilians is long but also largely ignored.

Note I don't think northeasterners want to be a part of China either nor should they. At the end of the day, northeasterners should have the right to decide what they want, not chinese. And there's little China can do or has done for them more comprehensively and warring because of the mistreatment of northeasterners does more harm than good. My posts are just a reactive response since I genuinely feel they're family.

The problem with India is that minorities and indians don't have close, genuine relations with each other. There's very little kindness in the day-to-day interactions that the hindu, north indian mainstream shows towards those they consider lower caste, different races/religions. They care very little about those inferiors whom they deem different than them whereas in China, everyone is seen as an equal and minorities are part of the family. Minorities and han (with a few tibetans, uighurs being the exception) generally do feel a common bond. When a chinese from an autonomous region is suffering, all the other chinese feel the pain and genuinely are moved to help (I can quote numerous examples if you want/don't believe). It's a type of oneness that arose because of China being a civilizational state for so long.

Yes, I agree with you that rape is a serious problem in not just India, but much of the world. However, rape really is most serious among brown countries. And it's not just India. I don't necessarily think muslim countries are better either. Heard of some really shocking cases in the MENA areas and the fact that the victims are often punished instead of the rapists suggests to me that the incidence of rape is under-reported much more severely than any other region. Certain latin american countries, Africa and southeast asia are also extremely dangerous for women and I know that rape as punishment is commonly used in these countries as well: https://www.theneweconomy.com/insight/10-of-the-most-dangerous-countries-to-be-a-woman

One thing I notice about all these countries is that there is a culture of denial, of finger pointing other countries and trying to hide the truth when it becomes uncomfortable. One such case was Al Jazeera trying to disprove the myth of arabic misogyny. The interviewer ended up looking like a real prick.

As for your last point about peace, ideally that's what most chinese want as well. However, the sad reality is that peace is fleeting and fragile. In truth, China admires/respects India greatly and if you visit China, you'll find that most chinese do like indians. On the internet it's quite different. Amazing and sad how politics and nationalistic trolls (from both sides) can cause so many issues.

[rein]

Some of these CEO’s are quite useless. No respect for these exploitative people.

[1R0N M4N XL]

That's not true at all, Ironman. The Philippines was founded in 1898 and your first president was Emilio Aguinaldo. This marked the beginning of the Philippines as a nation state, as you clearly had a nationalistic ideal starting much earlier. In contrast, China at this time was still a civilization state and we didn't know any better. By 1912, China was in a state of anarchy and possibly before this. China was officially founded in 1949.

So the Philippines/Southeast Asia already had a head start in politics way before China. Furthermore, being a colony wasn't bad for India/Philippines (most of China's most developed regions were colonial territories), it made you the richest country in Asia alongside Japan. You had all the infrastructure, social development, education, employment provided by the americans but unlike the japanese, indians/filipinos blew it all. In contrast, China literally had to start from scratch after complete devastation from invasions and civil wars. If it wasn't for the USSR, China would never have the technology to kickstart the economy.

Thirdly, India and Philippines were in WTO/GATT from 1948 to 1979 respectively. China joined in 2001, which shows that you were integrated into the world economy so much earlier.

Fourthly, you talk about languages but mandarin only truly became the national language in 1911. Before there were suggestions to make it official. However, there were literally hundreds of dialects/languages spoken across China and the majority of the population was illiterate. So the situation isn't much different from the Philippines with the exception that China was much poorer, lacking the resources of the Philippines. This is evident by the 'millions' of chinese 'fleeing' to the Philippines. You and India are lucky to be living in the tropics where you never worry about drought, famine, blizzards.

If you think about it, China isn't just a child prodigy but an orphan. You're literally the old man claiming to be young just to compete with a child (and losing). Don't you feel ashamed?


UNITED STATES grants Philippines independence july 4 1946

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbIarUg6DQ

President Cory Aquino's historic speech before the U.S. Congress (1986).. restoration of democracy in Philippines..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX9ysynaIq0

the official closing of American bases and influence/control is 1992
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/28/world/philippines-orders-us-to-leave-strategic-navy-base-at-subic-bay.html

Cuban, Philippines, Puerto rico was bought for 20 million( surrender price) from spain by americans..

las islas Filipinas was renamed Philippines by the americans when America annex Philippines.. this guy actually have control over the country, with strings by USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663otOvJVGU&t=70s

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Emilio Aguinaldo was a Filipino revolutionary, politician, and military leader, who never had control over the country because it was annex by the united states..


In contrast, China at this time was still a civilization state and we didn't know any better. By 1912, China was in a state of anarchy and possibly before this. China was officially founded in 1949.


china had control over its destiny.. destiny was decided by the winner of communist/maoist vs nationalist KMT... 1949 is not chinas birth ( but PRC People's Republic of China rebranding by mao).. thats like me saying if Socialist Confederate America won over the capitalist union of America in 2020, then american's birth is 2020.. ..

even before 1949, china was always china & always controlled by Chinese.. china is always fighting itself..

[dystopiansc]

Indians have done quite well in corporate management. Look at Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Cognizant, many others. In particular, Microsoft and Adobe were floundering around prior to their current CEO's. Of course, Google was doing quite well but it is expanding to a new level.

Indeed.