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Sikeliot
06-17-2018, 03:19 PM
Admixture coming from Anglo-Normans, Saxons, etc. is supposed to be high in these areas, could this be why Danish is coming up so high?

Laois/Kilkenny:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.56
2 Atlantic 27.57
3 Baltic 11.67
4 Eastern_Euro 8.95
5 West_Med 8.46
6 West_Asian 3.36
7 South_Asian 1.19
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Red_Sea 0.24
11 East_Med 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.31
2 Danish 3.33
3 West_Scottish 3.4
4 Irish 3.47
5 Southeast_English 3.77
6 Orcadian 3.79
7 Southwest_English 4.25
8 Norwegian 5.25
9 North_German 5.43
10 West_Norwegian 5.89
11 Swedish 6.73
12 South_Dutch 8.24
13 West_German 8.46
14 North_Swedish 10.01
15 French 12.6
16 East_German 12.98
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.29
18 Austrian 17.71
19 Hungarian 17.73
20 Finnish 18.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.4% Orcadian + 12.6% Ukrainian @ 1.69
2 87.4% Orcadian + 12.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.72
3 87% Orcadian + 13% South_Polish @ 1.74
4 87.4% Orcadian + 12.6% Polish @ 1.76
5 79.3% Orcadian + 20.7% East_German @ 1.77
6 72.1% North_Dutch + 27.9% Southwest_English @ 1.77
7 90.1% Orcadian + 9.9% Lithuanian @ 1.78
8 56.2% Southwest_English + 43.8% Norwegian @ 1.81
9 89.3% Orcadian + 10.7% Estonian_Polish @ 1.82
10 89.3% Orcadian + 10.7% Belorussian @ 1.86
11 89% Orcadian + 11% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.88
12 59.4% Southwest_English + 40.6% West_Norwegian @ 1.88
13 60% Southeast_English + 40% Norwegian @ 1.88
14 63% Southwest_English + 37% Swedish @ 1.92
15 63.1% Irish + 36.9% Norwegian @ 1.98
16 96% North_Dutch + 4% French_Basque @ 1.98
17 89.8% Orcadian + 10.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.01
18 89.7% Orcadian + 10.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.01
19 73.7% North_Dutch + 26.3% Orcadian @ 2.01
20 63.5% Southeast_English + 36.5% West_Norwegian @ 2.03



Laois/Kilkenny:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.61
2 Atlantic 29.46
3 Baltic 13.28
4 Eastern_Euro 8.59
5 West_Med 6.23
6 West_Asian 3.94
7 South_Asian 2.09
8 Amerindian 0.46
9 Oceanian 0.23
10 Northeast_African 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.05
2 Danish 3.56
3 North_Dutch 3.6
4 West_Scottish 3.7
5 North_German 4.06
6 Southeast_English 4.58
7 Orcadian 5.63
8 Southwest_English 5.94
9 Norwegian 6.99
10 Swedish 7.61
11 West_Norwegian 7.95
12 South_Dutch 8.65
13 West_German 10.1
14 North_Swedish 10.39
15 East_German 12.62
16 French 13.53
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.4
18 Austrian 16.64
19 Hungarian 17.37
20 Finnish 17.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.8% Irish + 7.2% Lithuanian @ 2.06
2 91.3% Irish + 8.7% Estonian @ 2.09
3 92.5% Irish + 7.5% Belorussian @ 2.18
4 92.3% Irish + 7.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.2
5 92.7% Irish + 7.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.21
6 92.8% Irish + 7.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.21
7 91.3% Irish + 8.7% Polish @ 2.22
8 92.7% Irish + 7.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.22
9 91.2% Irish + 8.8% South_Polish @ 2.24
10 91.7% Irish + 8.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.26
11 91.8% Irish + 8.2% Ukrainian @ 2.27
12 89.9% Irish + 10.1% Finnish @ 2.31
13 87.7% Irish + 12.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.32
14 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.35
15 94.3% Irish + 5.7% Erzya @ 2.35
16 91.7% Irish + 8.3% La_Brana-1 @ 2.39
17 91.2% West_Scottish + 8.8% Lithuanian @ 2.41
18 63.5% Irish + 36.5% North_German @ 2.41
19 92.5% Irish + 7.5% East_Finnish @ 2.43
20 90.2% West_Scottish + 9.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51



Laois:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.44
2 Atlantic 30.65
3 Eastern_Euro 9.01
4 Baltic 7.65
5 West_Med 7.38
6 West_Asian 3.7
7 Red_Sea 1.36
8 South_Asian 1.25
9 East_Med 0.8
10 Amerindian 0.75

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.73
2 Orcadian 3.03
3 Irish 3.47
4 Southeast_English 3.57
5 Southwest_English 4.88
6 Danish 5
7 North_Dutch 5.31
8 North_German 7.32
9 West_Norwegian 8.49
10 Norwegian 8.62
11 South_Dutch 9.06
12 West_German 10.36
13 Swedish 10.38
14 French 12.83
15 North_Swedish 13.01
16 East_German 15.88
17 Southwest_Finnish 18.09
18 Austrian 19.58
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.05
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% French_Basque @ 2.37
2 58.8% West_Scottish + 41.2% Orcadian @ 2.41
3 59.4% Orcadian + 40.6% Southeast_English @ 2.47
4 93.3% Orcadian + 6.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.5
5 93.2% Orcadian + 6.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.5
6 93.2% Orcadian + 6.8% Southwest_French @ 2.54
7 58.8% Orcadian + 41.2% Irish @ 2.54
8 93.5% Orcadian + 6.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.56
9 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.6
10 93.4% Orcadian + 6.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.6
11 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.63
12 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.63
13 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.63
14 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.63
15 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Sindhi @ 2.63
16 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Kalash @ 2.64
17 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Burusho @ 2.64
18 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.64
19 99% West_Scottish + 1% Gujarati @ 2.64
20 99.1% West_Scottish + 0.9% Kurumba @ 2.64


Laois:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.74
2 Atlantic 28.08
3 Eastern_Euro 9.38
4 Baltic 8.25
5 West_Med 6.64
6 West_Asian 3.55
7 South_Asian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 2
9 Amerindian 1.49
10 Sub-Saharan 1.16
11 Northeast_African 0.7
12 Siberian 0.46
13 Oceanian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 4.31
2 Orcadian 4.55
3 Irish 4.63
4 Danish 4.72
5 Southeast_English 4.72
6 North_Dutch 5.15
7 Southwest_English 5.66
8 North_German 6.36
9 Norwegian 7.69
10 West_Norwegian 8.32
11 South_Dutch 8.4
12 Swedish 9.22
13 West_German 9.4
14 North_Swedish 11.3
15 French 12.45
16 East_German 14.2
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.17
18 Austrian 18.06
19 Hungarian 18.7
20 Finnish 19.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.7% Orcadian + 6.3% MA-1 @ 2.67
2 94.6% West_Scottish + 5.4% MA-1 @ 2.92
3 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Burusho @ 3.12
4 95% West_Scottish + 5% Kalash @ 3.24
5 95% West_Scottish + 5% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.25
6 95.1% West_Scottish + 4.9% Pathan @ 3.25
7 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Sindhi @ 3.29
8 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Brahmin_UP @ 3.31
9 96% West_Scottish + 4% Bangladeshi @ 3.32
10 95.9% West_Scottish + 4.1% Gujarati @ 3.32
11 94.6% West_Scottish + 5.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.32
12 96% West_Scottish + 4% Kshatriya @ 3.32
13 94% West_Scottish + 6% Tadjik @ 3.34
14 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.36
15 94.6% West_Scottish + 5.4% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.39
16 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Dharkar @ 3.4
17 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Kanjar @ 3.4
18 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Brahui @ 3.4
19 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Kurumba @ 3.4
20 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.41


Laois:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.93
2 Atlantic 30.51
3 Baltic 9.65
4 Eastern_Euro 9.22
5 West_Med 4.98
6 West_Asian 2.33
7 South_Asian 0.85
8 Oceanian 0.59
9 Siberian 0.29
10 Amerindian 0.28
11 Sub-Saharan 0.2
12 East_Med 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 3.33
2 West_Scottish 3.78
3 Irish 4.85
4 North_Dutch 5.32
5 Danish 5.34
6 Southeast_English 6.23
7 West_Norwegian 6.3
8 Norwegian 7.3
9 Southwest_English 7.84
10 North_German 8.64
11 Swedish 8.82
12 North_Swedish 11.91
13 South_Dutch 12.3
14 West_German 12.46
15 French 16.48
16 East_German 17.52
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.85
18 Finnish 21
19 Austrian 21.64
20 Hungarian 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.3% Orcadian + 33.7% West_Scottish @ 3.16
2 84.2% Orcadian + 15.8% West_Norwegian @ 3.17
3 73.5% West_Scottish + 26.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.25
4 94.1% Orcadian + 5.9% North_Swedish @ 3.25
5 92.5% Orcadian + 7.5% Swedish @ 3.26
6 87.5% Orcadian + 12.5% Danish @ 3.27
7 91.9% Orcadian + 8.1% Norwegian @ 3.28
8 97.8% Orcadian + 2.2% La_Brana-1 @ 3.28
9 98% Orcadian + 2% Estonian @ 3.28
10 97.1% Orcadian + 2.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.29
11 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% Irish @ 3.3
12 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% Finnish @ 3.3
13 99% Orcadian + 1% Lithuanian @ 3.31
14 99% Orcadian + 1% East_Finnish @ 3.32
15 99.3% Orcadian + 0.7% Belorussian @ 3.32
16 95.4% Orcadian + 4.6% North_Dutch @ 3.32
17 99.5% Orcadian + 0.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.33
18 99.9% Orcadian + 0.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.33
19 99.9% Orcadian + 0.1% Polish @ 3.33
20 100% Orcadian + 0% Abhkasian @ 3.33

Tauromachos
06-17-2018, 03:21 PM
Interesting the only Southern European thing which pops up in the top 20 is Spanish

Neither Greek nor Italian does

Aren
06-17-2018, 03:24 PM
The Danish sample is quite inaccurate. I've got like 30+ Danish kits and most get "Norwegian" as first match. But either way yes they look eastern shifted.

Sikeliot
06-17-2018, 03:26 PM
Interesting the only Southern European thing which pops up in the top 20 is Spanish

Neither Greek nor Italian does


This should not be a surprise, as even north Italians are genetically further removed from UK/Ireland/Germany than Spain is.

Tauromachos
06-17-2018, 03:28 PM
This should not be a surprise, as even north Italians are genetically further removed from UK/Ireland/Germany than Spain is.



I would have thought that either Romans or Ancient Greeks might have some connections to Irish people.

Not a Cop
06-17-2018, 04:58 PM
The Danish sample is quite inaccurate. I've got like 30+ Danish kits and most get "Norwegian" as first match. But either way yes they look eastern shifted.

Where do Danish people deviate compared to Denmark's average? My grandad is Baltic German\East-Slav, but usually gets Danish\Swedish instead of German for Germanic half.

Aren
06-17-2018, 05:24 PM
Where do Danish people deviate compared to Denmark's average? My grandad is Baltic German\East-Slav, but usually gets Danish\Swedish instead of German for Germanic half.

Compared to the Danish average they deviate towards Norway, ie more Baltic and less Med/Atlantic.
Your father probably gets Danish/Swedish cause they are less Southern shifted than Germans, although Northern Germans are very close to Scandinavians themself but I haven't seen your grandfather's gedmatch results so I can't say for sure why.
As an example Eurogenes K13. Averages of 15+ people from every region of southern/central Scandinavia


Population East Norway
North_Atlantic 50.757
Baltic 29.253
West_Med 9.6575
West_Asian 4.566
East_Med 1.78
Red_Sea 0.663
South_Asian 0.713
East_Asian 0.144
Siberian 0.65
Amerindian 0.727
Oceanian 0.626
Northeast_African 0.155
Sub-Saharan 0.156

Population West Norway
North_Atlantic 50.700
Baltic 28.641
West_Med 9.559
West_Asian 4.90
East_Med 2.23
Red_Sea 0.57
South_Asian 1.163
East_Asian 0.076
Siberian 0.600
Amerindian 0.629
Oceanian 0.501
Northeast_African 0.103
Sub-Saharan 0.302

Population Denmark Jutland
North_Atlantic 50.560
Baltic 28.472
West_Med 10.332
West_Asian 4.785
East_Med 2.275
Red_Sea 0.406
South_Asian 1.074
East_Asian 0.212
Siberian 0.395
Amerindian 0.516
Oceanian 0.217
Northeast_African 0.312
Sub-Saharan 0.184

Population Denmark Zealand
North_Atlantic 50.254
Baltic 28.626
West_Med 10.248
West_Asian 5.522
East_Med 1.966
Red_Sea 0.598
South_Asian 0.9
East_Asian 0.16
Siberian 0.438
Amerindian 0.659
Oceanian 0.376
Northeast_African 0.087
Sub-Saharan 0.154

Population Southeast Sweden
North_Atlantic 50.283
Baltic 29.704
West_Med 10.01
West_Asian 4.439
East_Med 1.57
Red_Sea 0.441
South_Asian 1.353
East_Asian 0.586
Siberian 0.649
Amerindian 0.462
Oceanian 0.492
Northeast_African 0.224
Sub-Saharan 0.126

Population Southwest Sweden
North_Atlantic 50.488
Baltic 29.066
West_Med 9.616
West_Asian 4.694
East_Med 2.093
Red_Sea 0.8013
South_Asian 1.232
East_Asian 0.124
Siberian 0.722
Amerindian 0.628
Oceanian 0.324
Northeast_African 0.039
Sub-Saharan 0.169

Not a Cop
06-17-2018, 09:01 PM
Compared to the Danish average they deviate towards Norway, ie more Baltic and less Med/Atlantic.
Your father probably gets Danish/Swedish cause they are less Southern shifted than Germans, although Northern Germans are very close to Scandinavians themself but I haven't seen your grandfather's gedmatch results so I can't say for sure why.
As an example Eurogenes K13. Averages of 15+ people from every region of southern/central Scandinavia


Population East Norway
North_Atlantic 50.757
Baltic 29.253
West_Med 9.6575
West_Asian 4.566
East_Med 1.78
Red_Sea 0.663
South_Asian 0.713
East_Asian 0.144
Siberian 0.65
Amerindian 0.727
Oceanian 0.626
Northeast_African 0.155
Sub-Saharan 0.156

Population West Norway
North_Atlantic 50.700
Baltic 28.641
West_Med 9.559
West_Asian 4.90
East_Med 2.23
Red_Sea 0.57
South_Asian 1.163
East_Asian 0.076
Siberian 0.600
Amerindian 0.629
Oceanian 0.501
Northeast_African 0.103
Sub-Saharan 0.302

Population Denmark Jutland
North_Atlantic 50.560
Baltic 28.472
West_Med 10.332
West_Asian 4.785
East_Med 2.275
Red_Sea 0.406
South_Asian 1.074
East_Asian 0.212
Siberian 0.395
Amerindian 0.516
Oceanian 0.217
Northeast_African 0.312
Sub-Saharan 0.184

Population Denmark Zealand
North_Atlantic 50.254
Baltic 28.626
West_Med 10.248
West_Asian 5.522
East_Med 1.966
Red_Sea 0.598
South_Asian 0.9
East_Asian 0.16
Siberian 0.438
Amerindian 0.659
Oceanian 0.376
Northeast_African 0.087
Sub-Saharan 0.154

Population Southeast Sweden
North_Atlantic 50.283
Baltic 29.704
West_Med 10.01
West_Asian 4.439
East_Med 1.57
Red_Sea 0.441
South_Asian 1.353
East_Asian 0.586
Siberian 0.649
Amerindian 0.462
Oceanian 0.492
Northeast_African 0.224
Sub-Saharan 0.126

Population Southwest Sweden
North_Atlantic 50.488
Baltic 29.066
West_Med 9.616
West_Asian 4.694
East_Med 2.093
Red_Sea 0.8013
South_Asian 1.232
East_Asian 0.124
Siberian 0.722
Amerindian 0.628
Oceanian 0.324
Northeast_African 0.039
Sub-Saharan 0.169

Well Baltic-Germans were not pure germans, that was mostly an umbrella term for Germanic-speaking Lutheran inhabitans of Baltics, which formed into single community, f.e. Baltic Swedes were part of Baltic Germans aswell, although Germans made up majority, and German was a lingua franca.

German side of my Grandad for shure has some recent Scottish (Pearson), Dutch (Jantzon) and Scando (Johannsen) ancestry, but majority of it is still German i guess.

Here is his K13
North_Atlantic 38.21
2 Baltic 36.76
3 West_Med 9.55
4 West_Asian 8.01
5 East_Med 3.52
6 South_Asian 2.05
7 Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Red_Sea 0.14

Oracles are at very low distance also, for a mixed person:

54% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46% Irish @ 1.4
2 55.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.6% West_Scottish @ 1.41
3 51.2% Danish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.54
4 52.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.1% Orcadian @ 1.68
5 50.4% North_Dutch + 49.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.75
6 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.82
7 54.1% Southwest_Russian + 45.9% Irish @ 1.87
8 51.5% Norwegian + 48.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.94
9 54.6% North_German + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.02
10 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.08

1 Danish + Irish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.454182
2 Irish + North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.532897
3 North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.543988
4 Irish + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.584779
5 Danish + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.613527
6 Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.649806
7 Danish + Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.670758
8 Irish + North_German + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.679891
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.685784
10 Norwegian + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.693148

Leto
06-17-2018, 10:29 PM
Well Baltic-Germans were not pure germans, that was mostly an umbrella term for Germanic-speaking Lutheran inhabitans of Baltics, which formed into single community, f.e. Baltic Swedes were part of Baltic Germans aswell, although Germans made up majority, and German was a lingua franca.

German side of my Grandad for shure has some recent Scottish (Pearson), Dutch (Jantzon) and Scando (Johannsen) ancestry, but majority of it is still German i guess.

Here is his K13
North_Atlantic 38.21
2 Baltic 36.76
3 West_Med 9.55
4 West_Asian 8.01
5 East_Med 3.52
6 South_Asian 2.05
7 Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Red_Sea 0.14

Oracles are at very low distance also, for a mixed person:

54% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46% Irish @ 1.4
2 55.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.6% West_Scottish @ 1.41
3 51.2% Danish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.54
4 52.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.1% Orcadian @ 1.68
5 50.4% North_Dutch + 49.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.75
6 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.82
7 54.1% Southwest_Russian + 45.9% Irish @ 1.87
8 51.5% Norwegian + 48.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.94
9 54.6% North_German + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.02
10 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.08

1 Danish + Irish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.454182
2 Irish + North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.532897
3 North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.543988
4 Irish + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.584779
5 Danish + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.613527
6 Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.649806
7 Danish + Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.670758
8 Irish + North_German + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.679891
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.685784
10 Norwegian + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.693148
He is basically Czech genetically. They can be modeled as half East Slav (bar Northen and recently mixed Russians) and half Dutch.

Aren
06-17-2018, 10:38 PM
Well Baltic-Germans were not pure germans, that was mostly an umbrella term for Germanic-speaking Lutheran inhabitans of Baltics, which formed into single community, f.e. Baltic Swedes were part of Baltic Germans aswell, although Germans made up majority, and German was a lingua franca.

German side of my Grandad for shure has some recent Scottish (Pearson), Dutch (Jantzon) and Scando (Johannsen) ancestry, but majority of it is still German i guess.

Here is his K13
North_Atlantic 38.21
2 Baltic 36.76
3 West_Med 9.55
4 West_Asian 8.01
5 East_Med 3.52
6 South_Asian 2.05
7 Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Red_Sea 0.14

Oracles are at very low distance also, for a mixed person:

54% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46% Irish @ 1.4
2 55.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.6% West_Scottish @ 1.41
3 51.2% Danish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.54
4 52.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.1% Orcadian @ 1.68
5 50.4% North_Dutch + 49.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.75
6 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.82
7 54.1% Southwest_Russian + 45.9% Irish @ 1.87
8 51.5% Norwegian + 48.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.94
9 54.6% North_German + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.02
10 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.08

1 Danish + Irish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.454182
2 Irish + North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.532897
3 North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.543988
4 Irish + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.584779
5 Danish + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.613527
6 Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.649806
7 Danish + Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.670758
8 Irish + North_German + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.679891
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.685784
10 Norwegian + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.693148

Weird not getting Lithuanian + something Western. But maybe that's normal?

Leto
06-17-2018, 10:40 PM
Weird not getting Lithuanian + something Western. But maybe that's normal?
What do you mean? He's half Russian. "Ukrainian Belgorod" is basically Russian, 'cause Belgorod is a Russian city located in Southwestern Russia.

Aren
06-17-2018, 10:42 PM
What do you mean? He's half Russian. "Ukrainian Belgorod" is basically Russian, 'cause Belgorod is a Russian city located in Southwestern Russia.

Oh you're right. Well then his German ancestor must've been very Western, basically North Dutch/Scandinavian

Leto
06-17-2018, 10:47 PM
Oh you're right. Well then his German ancestor must've been very Western, basically North Dutch/Scandinavian
I remember Not a Cop's grandfather was 51% West & Central European on Family Tree DNA. And the rest is Eastern Europe, Finland, etc.

Not a Cop
06-17-2018, 11:32 PM
Oh you're right. Well then his German ancestor must've been very Western, basically North Dutch/Scandinavian

Yeah, it's kinda intersting since for atleast last 5 generations on German side all families were pretty old established in Baltics, seems like Teutons were really segregated from locals.


I remember Not a Cop's grandfather was 51% West & Central European on Family Tree DNA. And the rest is Eastern Europe, Finland, etc.

51 W&C, 38 Eastern 9 Finland, rest is Trace.


He is basically Czech genetically. They can be modeled as half East Slav (bar Northen and recently mixed Russians) and half Dutch.

He's a bit more Northern than Czech, but kinda similar indeed.

Not a Cop
06-17-2018, 11:33 PM
Weird not getting Lithuanian + something Western. But maybe that's normal?

His Slavic side is also a bit more norhtern than predicted, Mother is from Southern Belarus, Father is from Pskov region.