How much ancestry of modern day europeans come from the indo european invaders?

[MercifulServant]

Is there a calculator for this?

[Jana]

Northern Europeans are majority descended from Indo-Europeans, southern Europeans significanlty less but still in part.

Logically PIE ancestry peaks in northeastern Europe.

[MercifulServant]

Northern Europeans are majority descended from Indo-Europeans, southern Europeans significanlty less but still in part.

Logically PIE ancestry peaks in northeastern Europe.

But what are the percentages for this? is there any calculators to determine percentage?

[Aren]

Northern Europeans are majority descended from Indo-Europeans, southern Europeans significanlty less but still in part.

Logically PIE ancestry peaks in northeastern Europe.

More so Scandinavia and Britain. NE Euros like Balts have lower CHG related ancestry meaning less Steppe and more local Hunter-Gatherer input.

[MercifulServant]

More so Scandinavia and Britain. NE Euros like Balts have lower CHG related ancestry meaning less Steppe and more local Hunter-Gatherer input.

CHG doesnt necesserily mean indo european input though. Southern Euros have pretty high CHG and they are the farther away from indo europeans then northerns are.

[Aren]

CHG doesnt necesserily mean indo european input though. Southern Euros have pretty high CHG and they are the farther away from indo europeans then northerns are.

In Northern Europe it does. How else would've CHG like input arrived in remote places like say Norway or Estonia? All of the CHG from Ireland to NW Russia is pretty much only from Indo-Europeans.

[Dominicanese]

Is there a calculator for this?

idk but alot more now than ever before

and it depends on what u mean?

do u mean by pure?, i think around the same

because the numbers keep growing of mixed aryan and at the sametime iisolated pure ppl keep reproducing

cause im also R1 which is appearantly aryan blood and im Dominican so

[Wrong]

Depends. North-Eastern Europe had parts of this "IE" admixture before the Indo-Europeans started moving about across the Steppe area, so it is difficult to tell.

West Asian intrusion in Northern Europe is both due to post-Neolithics with CHG input and Indo-Europeans.

[MercifulServant]

Depends. North-Eastern Europe had parts of this "IE" admixture before the Indo-Europeans started moving about across the Steppe area, so it is difficult to tell.

West Asian intrusion in Northern Europe is both due to post-Neolithics with CHG input and Indo-Europeans.

is there any calculator to determine indo european ancestry?

[Wrong]

is there any calculator to determine indo european ancestry?
Calculators with Steppe component. My Steppe % is elevated quite abit compared to other Albanians, for example.

[MercifulServant]

Calculators with Steppe component. My Steppe % is elevated quite abit compared to other Albanians, for example.

Which calculators have steppe again?

[Wrong]

Which calculators have steppe again?
MLDP K16 Modern

[Jana]

Calculators with Steppe component. My Steppe % is elevated quite abit compared to other Albanians, for example.

Explains your look :)

[Tauromachos]

Northern Europeans are majority descended from Indo-Europeans, southern Europeans significanlty less but still in part.

Logically PIE ancestry peaks in northeastern Europe.

If Indo European=Steppe ancestry,then yes.

[MercifulServant]

MLDP K16 Modern

Steppe cant be indo european then. I get 23% which is more than what russians get and russians get less then anglos and french

[Jana]

If Indo European=Steppe ancestry,then yes.

I mean Bell Beaker or Corded ware , Yamnanya to a lesser degree.

Bell Beakers genetically replaced most of British Isles population, for example, and modern Brits and Irish derive majority of their ancestry from them.

[Wrong]

South Euros, apart from their Farmer-WHG base, have plainly northern-steppe ancestry from IE's(EHG+CHG) and Bell Beakers. This is followed by, thousands of years later, depending on region: Celts, Germanics and Slavs who brought extra northern admixture.

[Tauromachos]

I mean Bell Beaker or Corded ware , Yamnanya to a lesser degree.

Bell Beakers genetically replaced most of British Isles population, for example, and most of modern Brits and Irish derive their ancestry from them.

Ok interesting.

[Livin]

I mean Bell Beaker or Corded ware , Yamnanya to a lesser degree.

Bell Beakers genetically replaced most of British Isles population, for example, and modern Brits and Irish derive majority of their ancestry from them.


Bell beakers should be the modern Atlantids and north Atlantid right?

Like Mr.Bean and the dark British people?

[Jana]

Bell beakers should be the modern Atlantids and north Atlantid right?

Like Mr.Bean and the dark British people?

They were suposedly dinaroid-like in phenotypes, but they were genetically IE northern people.
mostly ancestors of western Europeans

[Tauromachos]

Bell beakers should be the modern Atlantids and north Atlantid right?

Like Mr.Bean and the dark British people?

Or like British Gypsies"Charlie Chaplin" :lol:

[Pribislav]

Serbs, Croatians and Bosniaks are predominantly paleolitic, the most of all nation on the world.

[Livin]

Serbs, Croatians and Bosniaks are predominantly paleolitic, the most of all nation on the world.

Exactly the opposite.

They look Mesolithic and indoeuropeans.

[Pribislav]

Serbian y dna

I - 45,76% (I2a1b 35,6% , I1 9,28% , I2-M223 0,7% , I2c 0,18%)

R - 21,56% (R1a 17,5%, R1b 4,06%)

E - 14,8% (E1b 14,8%)

J - 10,95% (J2b 6,44% , J2a 2,74% , J1 1,77%)

G - 3,36%

N - 3,1%

Q - 0,44%

[Bobby Martnen]

Not sure, but thankfully I'm not descended from Indo-European R1 monkeys, since I'm I1.

[Wrong]

I1 and I2 was heavily Farmer-admixed before the IE's conquered, destroyed and displaced them.

I1 was on the brink of extinction before 1 man found refugee in Scandinavia, multiplying there in peace since 1000BC.

[Pribislav]

I is only real one European haplogroup from the beginning of the beginning.

R became European (aka white) due to mixing with I.

[Bobby Martnen]

I1 and I2 was heavily Farmer-admixed before the IE's conquered, destroyed and displaced them.

I1 was on the brink of extinction before 1 man found refugee in Scandinavia, multiplying there in peace since 1000BC.

Why are you so obsessed with other people's haplos?

[Wrong]

Why are you so obsessed with other people's haplos?
It is only the truth that R1 was superior and we are all speaking their language today. Look at Europe how many millions carry it.

[Livin]

I1 and I2 was heavily Farmer-admixed before the IE's conquered, destroyed and displaced them.

I1 was on the brink of extinction before 1 man found refugee in Scandinavia, multiplying there in peace since 1000BC.



Isn’t I1 and I2 the paloilithic populations of Europe?

Like neaterdals or no?

[Jana]

It is only the truth that R1 was superior and we are all speaking their language today. Look at Europe how many millions carry it.

R can't be elite since being elite imply it will be rare/minority haplogroup.

[Wrong]

R can't be elite since being elite imply it will be rare/minority haplogroup.
Elite means spreading genes. Kings had 100 wives back then, they spread their genes the fastest.

[Bobby Martnen]

It is only the truth that R1 was superior and we are all speaking their language today. Look at Europe how many millions carry it.

I will steal the daughters of R1 and fuck them in their sleep, breeding them with my superior I1 genes

[Tauromachos]

Elite means spreading genes. Kings had 100 wives back then, they spread their genes the fastest.

This is very Middle Eastern way of thinking

[Wrong]

This is very Middle Eastern way of thinking
This was common in the Bronze Age, no doubt.

[Jana]

Elite means spreading genes. Kings had 100 wives back then, they spread their genes the fastest.

It's obvious average Indo-European was R1.

[Pribislav]

R can't be elite since being elite imply it will be rare/minority haplogroup.

Maybe R was is our elite (of south Slavs). :confused:

[Wrong]

This was common in the Bronze Age, no doubt.
https://www.archaeology.org/news/6672-180607-male-gene-bottleneck


STANFORD, CALIFORNIA—Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/62754-warring-clans-caused-population-bottleneck.html) reports that population geneticist Marcus Feldman of Stanford University has proposed a new explanation for the population bottleneck between 5,000 to 7,000 years ago detected in the genes of modern men, which suggest that during this stretch, there was just one male for every 17 females. Feldman and his team conducted 18 simulations that took into account factors such as Y chromosome mutations, competition between groups, and death. The study suggests that warfare among people living in clans made up of males from the same line of descent could have wiped out entire male lineages and decreased the diversity of the Y chromosome. In this scenario, there are not dramatically fewer males, but there was significantly less diversity in their genes. “In that same group, the women could have come from anywhere,” Feldman said. The study found no bottleneck in mitochondrial DNA, which is passed from mother to child. “[The women] would’ve been brought into the group from either the victories that they had over other groups, or they could’ve been females who were residing in that area before,” he said, since the victorious male warriors may have killed all the men they conquered, but kept the women alive and assimilated them. "


1 male for every 17 females

[Jana]

Maybe R was is our elite (of south Slavs). :confused:

That's likely. :D

Maybe proto Croats and proto Serbs were R1a, and previous Slavs they encountered and conquered in south were I2 ?

[Wrong]

That's likely. :D

Maybe proto Croats and proto Serbs were R1a, and previous Slavs they encountered and conquered in south were I2 ?
They both arrived at the same time in waves to the Balkans (I2a1b-CTS10228 and R1a). This late in time the various haplogroups were already absorbed by ethno-linguistical group of Slavs.

[Pribislav]

That's likely. :D

Maybe proto Croats and proto Serbs were R1a, and previous Slavs they encountered and conquered in south were I2 ?

If proto-Serbs and proto-Croats were Iranic tribes (there is very popular theory about that) than they probably were predominantly R1a-Z93.

I don't know from Croatians, but among Serbs there is 0% R1a-Z93. :)
In Serbia only few Hungarians from Vojvodina carry this haplogroup.

Maybe proto-Serbs and proto-Croats were some other branch of R1a.

[Jana]

If proto-Serbs and proto-Croats were Iranic tribes (there is very popular theory about that) than they probably were predominantly R1a-Z93.

I don't know from Croatians, but among Serbs there is 0% R1a-Z93. :)
In serbia only few Hungarians from Vojvodina carry this haplogroup.

Maybe proto-Serbs and proto-Croats were some other branch of R1a.

I think R1a-Z280 more likely :)
or maybe they already came from north as I2/R1a combination , who knows. Both look to be slavic markers.

[Aren]

Is there a calculator for this?

The calculators on Gedmatch for predicting Indo-European admix are garbage(like MDLP K16). Best method now is using nMonte with R and the Global PCA 25 spreadsheet.

[MercifulServant]

The calculators on Gedmatch for predicting Indo-European admix are garbage(like MDLP K16). Best method now is using nMonte with R and the Global PCA 25 spreadsheet.

Link those please

[Wrong]

I think R1a-Z280 more likely :)
or maybe they already came from north as I2/R1a combination , who knows. Both look to be slavic markers.
In this map, it shows that South Slavs carry North-Eastern admixture from a North-Eastern incursion, while the natives carry more Atlantic_Mediterranean(WHG+EEF like)


Atlantic_Mediterranean admixture:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg

This also shuts down the Caucasus theory on Albanians.

[Pribislav]

I think R1a-Z280 more likely :)
or maybe they already came from north as I2/R1a combination , who knows. Both look to be slavic markers.

Z280 is about 70% of total Serbian R1a, and M458 is about 30%.
What is the relations between Z280 and M458 among Croatians?

According to current knowledge I2a1b2a1 arrived to the Balkans with Slavs.

[Marmara]

Depends, i don't know how can the percentage of ancestry that is directly from Yamnaya can be calculated. Yamnaya-related people roamed across Europe. Eastern Hunter Gatherers were in North Europe before Yamnaya culture was ever formed. This EHG ancestry might be the reason North Europeans are seen more PIE-like, geneticwise, bit it's ridicilous. Original Yamnaya people had significant ancestry from CHG and were rather dark. North Europeans have very reduced CHG ancestry as far as i know. South Europeans have more CHG but less EHG. In any case, i think it's rather impossible to calculate.

[Jana]

Z280 is about 70% of total Serbian R1a, and M458 is about 30%.
What is the relations between Z280 and M458 among Croatians?

According to current knowledge I2a1b2a1 arrived to the Balkans with Slavs.

Absolute majority looks to be Z280 from public databases (unlike one erranous study implied), especially Carpathian-Dalmatian branch.
M458 seems rather rare, with exception of North Adriatic islands Cres and Krk (both have huge percentage of R1a, Cres around 60%, Krk around 40%) which are pred. M458, and it seems to be result of founder effect.

[Wrong]

Depends, i don't know how can the percentage of ancestry that is directly from Yamnaya can be calculated. Yamnaya-related people roamed across Europe. Eastern Hunter Gatherers were in North Europe before Yamnaya culture was ever formed. This EHG ancestry might be the reason North Europeans are seen more PIE-like, geneticwise, bit it's ridicilous. Original Yamnaya people had significant ancestry from CHG and were rather dark. North Europeans have very reduced CHG ancestry as far as i know. South Europeans have more CHG but less EHG. In any case, i think it's rather impossible to calculate.
Indeed. The modern ratios are screwed and get inflated/deflated depending on various percentages.

[Aren]

Link those please

You have to do it urself. Some examples, using relevant samples from the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age. CWC, Bell Beaker and Battle Axe being the Indo-European part. Though you can use Yamnaya aswell, which is maybe more accurate.
Using the same populations for everyone. Including Mozabite + Nganassan for better fit for some Euros.

"distance%=1.6887"

Norwegian

Beaker_The_Netherlands,55.6
CWC_Baltic,20.6
Globular_Amphora,17.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6
Nganassan,0.2

"distance%=3.2249"

Polish

CWC_Baltic,55.8
Beaker_The_Netherlands,21.4
Balkans_ChL,12.2
Anatolia_EBA,8.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,2.4

"distance%=1.5254"

English

Beaker_The_Netherlands,43.6
Globular_Amphora,20.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,20.4
CWC_Baltic,12
Baden_LCA,3.4

"distance%=2.2801"

Croatian

CWC_Baltic,35.6
Beaker_The_Netherlands,25.2
Balkans_ChL,19.8
Anatolia_EBA,15.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,4.2

"distance%=2.1583"

Albanian

Balkans_ChL,32.4
Anatolia_EBA,31.2
CWC_Baltic,28.4
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6.4
Beaker_The_Netherlands,1.6

"distance%=0.924"

Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Beaker_The_Netherlands,42.6
Iberia_Central_CA,20.2
Baden_LCA,13.2
Globular_Amphora,8.8
Anatolia_EBA,8.6
Mozabite,6.6

[Pribislav]

Absolute majority looks to be Z280 from public databeses (unlike one erranous study implied), especially Carpathian-Dalmatian branch.
M458 seems rather rare, with exception of North Adriatic islands Cres and Krk (both have huge percentage of R1a, Cres around 60%, Krk around 40%) which are pred. M458, and it seems to be result of founder effect.

On the islands Krk and Cres happened hot spot of R1a.

Hot spot of R1a among Serbs happened in Podrinje, where vast majority of R1a is branch Z80>L1280.

[Leto]

You have to do it urself. Some examples, using relevant samples from the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age. CWC, Bell Beaker and Battle Axe being the Indo-European part. Though you can use Yamnaya aswell, which is maybe more accurate.
Using the same populations for everyone. Including Mozabite + Nganassan for better fit for some Euros.

"distance%=1.6887"

Norwegian

Beaker_The_Netherlands,55.6
CWC_Baltic,20.6
Globular_Amphora,17.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6
Nganassan,0.2

"distance%=3.2249"

Polish

CWC_Baltic,55.8
Beaker_The_Netherlands,21.4
Balkans_ChL,12.2
Anatolia_EBA,8.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,2.4

"distance%=1.5254"

English

Beaker_The_Netherlands,43.6
Globular_Amphora,20.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,20.4
CWC_Baltic,12
Baden_LCA,3.4

"distance%=2.2801"

Croatian

CWC_Baltic,35.6
Beaker_The_Netherlands,25.2
Balkans_ChL,19.8
Anatolia_EBA,15.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,4.2

"distance%=2.1583"

Albanian

Balkans_ChL,32.4
Anatolia_EBA,31.2
CWC_Baltic,28.4
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6.4
Beaker_The_Netherlands,1.6

"distance%=0.924"

Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Beaker_The_Netherlands,42.6
Iberia_Central_CA,20.2
Baden_LCA,13.2
Globular_Amphora,8.8
Anatolia_EBA,8.6
Mozabite,6.6
How can I calculate this?

[Aren]

How can I calculate this?

Follow these instructions (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/05/an-nmonte-and-4mix-guide-for.html)
Then contact Davidski for PCA 25 coordinates of your own, I think he charges 8 dollars.

[Wrong]

Mix one modern Russian West-Ugric person with a modern North Caucasus person and you get a predominant "Yamnaya-like" offspring.

[Coolguy1]

On dodecad k12b yamnaya genomes were rich in gedrosia like admixture, which is found in northwest euros but not northeast. On eurogenes k15 steppe is associated with north sea and eastern euro, but not baltic. This hints that northeast euros are mostly just native hunter gatherers and received minimal actual ancestry from these steppe groups.

[DarknessWin]

All europeans have indoeuropean ancenstry because indoeuropeans were people from many diferent phenotypes and haplogroups

What make them different than negroids and mongolids its their Caucasian characteristics

[Jana]

You have to do it urself. Some examples, using relevant samples from the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age. CWC, Bell Beaker and Battle Axe being the Indo-European part. Though you can use Yamnaya aswell, which is maybe more accurate.
Using the same populations for everyone. Including Mozabite + Nganassan for better fit for some Euros.

"distance%=1.6887"

Norwegian

Beaker_The_Netherlands,55.6
CWC_Baltic,20.6
Globular_Amphora,17.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6
Nganassan,0.2

"distance%=3.2249"

Polish

CWC_Baltic,55.8
Beaker_The_Netherlands,21.4
Balkans_ChL,12.2
Anatolia_EBA,8.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,2.4

"distance%=1.5254"

English

Beaker_The_Netherlands,43.6
Globular_Amphora,20.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,20.4
CWC_Baltic,12
Baden_LCA,3.4

"distance%=2.2801"

Croatian

CWC_Baltic,35.6
Beaker_The_Netherlands,25.2
Balkans_ChL,19.8
Anatolia_EBA,15.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,4.2

"distance%=2.1583"

Albanian

Balkans_ChL,32.4
Anatolia_EBA,31.2
CWC_Baltic,28.4
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6.4
Beaker_The_Netherlands,1.6

"distance%=0.924"

Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Beaker_The_Netherlands,42.6
Iberia_Central_CA,20.2
Baden_LCA,13.2
Globular_Amphora,8.8
Anatolia_EBA,8.6
Mozabite,6.6

According to this:

Norwegians 82% IE
Poles 80% IE
English 76% IE
Croats 65% IE
Spanish 42% IE
Albanians 36% IE

[DarknessWin]

Mix one modern Russian West-Ugric person with a modern North Caucasus person and you get a predominant "Yamnaya-like" offspring.

You are a fucking clown

[Grace O'Malley]

You have to do it urself. Some examples, using relevant samples from the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age. CWC, Bell Beaker and Battle Axe being the Indo-European part. Though you can use Yamnaya aswell, which is maybe more accurate.
Using the same populations for everyone. Including Mozabite + Nganassan for better fit for some Euros.

"distance%=1.6887"

Norwegian

Beaker_The_Netherlands,55.6
CWC_Baltic,20.6
Globular_Amphora,17.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6
Nganassan,0.2

"distance%=3.2249"

Polish

CWC_Baltic,55.8
Beaker_The_Netherlands,21.4
Balkans_ChL,12.2
Anatolia_EBA,8.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,2.4

"distance%=1.5254"

English

Beaker_The_Netherlands,43.6
Globular_Amphora,20.6
Battle_Axe_Sweden,20.4
CWC_Baltic,12
Baden_LCA,3.4

"distance%=2.2801"

Croatian

CWC_Baltic,35.6
Beaker_The_Netherlands,25.2
Balkans_ChL,19.8
Anatolia_EBA,15.2
Battle_Axe_Sweden,4.2

"distance%=2.1583"

Albanian

Balkans_ChL,32.4
Anatolia_EBA,31.2
CWC_Baltic,28.4
Battle_Axe_Sweden,6.4
Beaker_The_Netherlands,1.6

"distance%=0.924"

Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Beaker_The_Netherlands,42.6
Iberia_Central_CA,20.2
Baden_LCA,13.2
Globular_Amphora,8.8
Anatolia_EBA,8.6
Mozabite,6.6

Do you not use British Bell Beaker in that model? I know the Netherlands Beakers are quite close so you might just use one. Anyway could you do Irish using the same model? Judging from the Global 25 thread on Anthrogenica they should be high in Beaker but I'd be interested to see what you get anyway if possible. Thanks.

[Tauromachos]

But what are the percentages for this? is there any calculators to determine percentage?

I suppose yet not.

But i'm sure some retards will create an app in the future which is supposed to calculate a persons Indoeuropean ancestry only for a couple of bugs do
fill more money into their pockets