Treatment of Muslim vs. Orthodox relics in Turkey...

[Böri]

As religion goes, Turkey is a historical contact point between Islam and Orthodoxy. Many Islamic friends active on TA.
Now let us see how historical relics from both religions have been treated under 'Muslim Conservative, AKP's Turkey...


Let's start with old Muslim relics in Turkey:

This is the situation of one of the oldest mosque in Turkey which is located in far eastern Turkey, Kars province. Munejehr mosque.
It dates back Middle Ages and is in desolated situation.
http://www.turkiyegazetesi.com.tr/yasam/170437.aspx
https://image.ibb.co/dbzkKd/kars.png[/url]


Now even more interesting.
The government is often proud of its construction works.
This is the turbe of Hassani Basri in Erzurum (eastern Turkey), a Muslim scholar who spread Islam among folks there.
It's about to disappear in midst of TOKI residential constructions.
https://twitter.com/Erzurumlular25/status/1002640697323933696
https://image.ibb.co/jOeGsy/erzurum.png


Orthodox relics in Turkey:

Sumela Greek Orthodox monastery in Trabzon (north east Turkey).
Restoration costs were around 15 million US Dollar
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/sumela-manastiri-ndaki-restorasyon-calismalari-trabzon-yerelhaber-2681550/
https://preview.ibb.co/epvv2y/sum.png


Bulgarian Orthodox Church of Istanbul.
Erdogan said that restoration cost around 4 million US dollar. He didnt pay from his pocket, that's govt project so from taxpayers money.
https://www.milligazete.com.tr/haber/1429994/erdoganin-restorasyonu-icin-talimat-verdigi-balattaki-demir-kilise-yeniden-aciliyor
https://preview.ibb.co/iTgJNy/bulg.png

[Teutone]

Look at the situation of Meccs, religion aside many important historic mosques get destroyed or replaced

[Böri]

Look at the situation of Meccs, religion aside many important historic mosques get destroyed or replaced

There are also Catholic relics in Turkey, Catholic organizations having relations with Rome, Europe etc. care themselves for their maintenance. They are perfectly preserved.
Here the situation with Orthodox and Muslim relics is quite interesting.

[Böri]

Armenian Apostolic Church of Akdamar, on the Akdamar island in Van (close to Iran border).
Restoration in 2012 for a cost around 1 million US dollar.
http://www.kulturvarliklari.gov.tr/TR,104370/akdamar-adasinda-restorasyon-ve-cevre-duzenleme-calisma-.html
https://preview.ibb.co/iTZcFJ/akdamar.png

[Böri]

Hagia Yorgi Greek Orthodox Church in Edirnekapı, İstanbul.
Restored in 2017 for a total cost of around 1 million US dollar.
http://www.haberturk.com/4-milyon-tl-harcanarak-3-yilda-restore-edilen-aya-yorgi-yarin-aciliyor-1718703

https://preview.ibb.co/mchm9d/yorgo.png

Icons inside.
Before Restoration
After Restoration

https://preview.ibb.co/eCfOpd/ikon.png

Nice restoration job actually.

[RN97]

It's interesting, but once a Wallachian voivode Constantin Brancoveanu was beheaded along with his sons for not renouncing his faith, he's canonized in the Romanian church. Anyhow, his and his sons heads were paraded in Constantinople and apparently their heads were dumped in a river because the Turkish leaders feared a revolt from the Christians but also surprisingly the muslims as they felt that the prince had gotten treated very unfairly. IDK if the muslims really did get angry at this, but at least it seems that in some instances Turks were more friendly to Christians than other muslims.

[Böri]

It's interesting, but once a Wallachian voivode Constantin Brancoveanu was beheaded along with his sons for not renouncing his faith, he's canonized in the Romanian church. Anyhow, his and his sons heads were paraded in Constantinople and apparently their heads were dumped in a river because the Turkish leaders feared a revolt from the Christians but also surprisingly the muslims as they felt that the prince had gotten treated very unfairly. IDK if the muslims really did get angry at this, but at least it seems that in some instances Turks were more friendly to Christians than other muslims.

Relics of the Orthodox civilization are now treated better than those of the Muslim one in Turkey. So no problem.

[Mens-Sarda]

Not to mention Erdogan's palace : 615 million dollars

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30061107

[Böri]

Not to mention Erdogan's palace : 615 million dollars

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30061107

That cost even more than that actually.

[Gold-Shekel]

Aren't Islamic relics an oxymoron?

[Böri]

Aren't Islamic relics an oxymoron?

Probably. Obviously in the eye of some Islamists, they don't have the same historical and architectural values as Orthodox relics. As much as it may seem contradictory. Standing for a 'civilization, but promoting relics of another one... xD

[Gold-Shekel]

Probably. Obviously in the eye of some Islamists, they don't have the same historical and architectural values as Orthodox relics. As much as it may seem contradictory. Standing for a 'civilization, but promoting relics of another one... xD

Are they state funded or privately? Are they still considered religious objects or just historical monuments?

[Böri]

Are they state funded or privately? Are they still considered religious objects or just historical monuments?

Govt-funded yeah. They are considered religious objects as Greek, Bulgarian and Armenian patriarchates organize offices inside. Catholics have their own associations where they do everything by their own for their relics in Turkey, which is respectable IMO.

[Gold-Shekel]

Govt-funded yeah. They are considered religious objects as Greek, Bulgarian and Armenian patriarchates organize offices inside.

Kinda makes sense then for the Christian ones, but it doesn't for the Islamic objects that are in ruins. They are important elements of your history, why is it that they are left in abandon? It's ironic you have important elements of your history not being taken care of while most of Turkey's investment in Bosnia is in renovating Mosques and Ottoman stuff lol

[Böri]

Kinda makes sense then for the Christian ones, but it doesn't for the Islamic objects that are in ruins. They are important elements of your history, why is it that they are left in abandon? It's ironic you have important elements of your history not being taken care of while most of Turkey's investment in Bosnia is in renovating Mosques and Ottoman stuff lol

We are having new presidential palaces no problem. Who cares some old mosques or turbes in desolation or removed for new residential buildings construction? xD

[Gold-Shekel]

We are having new presidential palaces no problem. Who cares some old mosques or turbes in desolation or removed for new residential buildings construction? xD

That's what happens when someone starts to think they're God's gift to Earth, they're too busy trying to write their names in History books.