There is NO British-Iberian connection.

[Profileid]

This is always pushed by Iberians and it's bullshit.
Here's k36 similarity maps of two British people. Notice how there's more similarity with Eastern Europe and even Russia than Iberia despite being a lot closer geographically.
https://i.imgur.com/LfHExrz.png
https://i.imgur.com/MnniL9T.png

[StonyArabia]

Of course the Atlantic facade was just a myth. Nothing more than that.

[Tietar]

Of course the Atlantic facade was just a myth. Nothing more than that.

yes, exactly like the mediterranean facade, just a myth

[JQP4545]

The ancient neolithic farmers from Ireland and Britain were similar to neolithic Iberians in contrast to the LBK farmers who were more similar to Balkan farmers.

[Damião de Góis]

This is always pushed by Iberians and it's bullshit.


The myth here is that this is being "pushed by iberians".

[Catarinense1998]

The myth here is that this is being "pushed by iberians".

True

[Arjana]

I have never seen any racial similarity between spaniards and native white English.

Spaniards are shorter, darker, hairy and with more exotic features.

However the English seemed uglier.

I am more attracted to brunette types

[Aren]

The ancient neolithic farmers from Ireland and Britain were similar to neolithic Iberians in contrast to the LBK farmers who were more similar to Balkan farmers.

The farmers from Poland and Ukraine were also similar to the Iberian farmers in that they had high WHG which those from SE Europe lacked. It's nothing unique shared between Brits and Iberians. The "Atlantic facade" died when we found out that R1b-L11 was brought to Western Europe by Indo-European speakers rich in Steppe input and not some Basque-like population who spread northwards which was what many people were pushing.
Basque's are strictly paternally almost completely Indo-European.

[Joso]

The myth here is that this is being "pushed by iberians".

Yes. It was pushed by me xD but i was wrong it seens

[Joso]

Of course the Atlantic facade was just a myth. Nothing more than that.

Then why the Brit phenotypes are just Iberian phenotypes with nordid input

[Damião de Góis]

Yes. It was pushed by me xD but i was wrong it seens

Here you go:

http://static1.conquistesuavida.com.br/ingredients/5/54/26/75/@/24677--ingredient_detail_ingredient-2.png

[Joso]

Here you go:

http://static1.conquistesuavida.com.br/ingredients/5/54/26/75/@/24677--ingredient_detail_ingredient-2.png

I need more than that

https://www.opas.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/a-banana-e-seus-beneficios-a-saude.jpg

[Meruru]

There are connections and similarities between many european countries that doesn't always follow a single pattern, for you see, they're all europeans and caucasians after all, it really depends on the person's bias when we're talking about cherrypicking similarities between the two chosen nacionalities/ethnicities, you can either make a tie uniting Iberia and UK or Iberia and Morocco (among others), both ties supported historical basis, and then you can "troll them" or "british-wash" them as you please, that's why it's called anthroTARDISM, isn't it?

BTW why are the number squares so shifted up?

[Bell Beaker]

Well according to those maps, they are closer to Iberians than to results from the Baltics states or from far eastern Europe (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia)...... And all the rest of Southern Europe (excluding France).

[Meruru]

Well according to those maps, they are closer to Iberians than to results from the Baltics states or from far eastern Europe (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia)...... And all the rest of Southern Europe (excluding France).

You're misreading the map, this is southern europe:

https://i.imgur.com/wfwUtei.png

However, I didn't quite understand the main reason of this thread, since a Taux de Similitude map doesn't prove much, and I agree that Iberians share more background with those keltic people from the british isles much more than eastern euros or other southern euros.
If there is a facial resemblance that unites them, then it's another story, one has to visit each region and see with their own eyes if it does, we can't just conclude that just by looking at cherrypicked pictures in an internet forum.

[Sikeliot]

Iberians are the closest Southern Europeans to Brits/Irish.

But it doesn't mean Brits/Irish are closer to Iberians than to other North Europeans.

[Aren]

Well according to those maps, they are closer to Iberians than to results from the Baltics states or from far eastern Europe (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia)...... And all the rest of Southern Europe (excluding France).

Eurogenes K36 is by no means accurate to show the deep genetical relation between a group of people. Northern Europeans, from Ireland to Latvia are not that different in their Indo-European/Anatolian-Farmer/Local-HG input. Even taking the example of more modern calculators that more so show recent genetic drift caused by certain shared ancestors(Bell Beakers in the case of Western Europe as an example) many Brits get Finnish or Polish before Iberian on calcs such as Eurogenes K13 or K15.

[alnortedelsur]

That's bad news for you Walmart girl.

You will never be close to Iberians. Deal with it!

[Profileid]

Well according to those maps, they are closer to Iberians than to results from the Baltics states or from far eastern Europe (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia)...... And all the rest of Southern Europe (excluding France).

The most striking divide in Euro genetics is north-south.All southerns euros are closer to each other than ALL northern euros. Also not sure wtf you're talking about. In the first one, there's a stronger match with FINLAND than in Iberia. Same with the Baltic states.

That's bad news for you Walmart girl.

You will never be close to Iberians. Deal with it!

Did you not read the thread title you complete retard. We aren't close to Iberbers and don't want to be.

[alnortedelsur]

The most striking divide in Euro genetics is north-south.All southerns euros are closer to each other than ALL northern euros. Also not sure wtf you're talking about. In the first one, there's a stronger match with FINLAND than in Iberia. Same with the Baltic states.


Did you not read the thread title you complete retard. We aren't close to Iberbers and don't want to be.

You're very far from Iberians. Sorry for you, fat Walmart girl.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You're very far from Iberians. Sorry for you, fat Walmart girl.

Damn, man. You're like more Iberian than I am.

[Joso]

The most striking divide in Euro genetics is north-south.All southerns euros are closer to each other than ALL northern euros. Also not sure wtf you're talking about. In the first one, there's a stronger match with FINLAND than in Iberia. Same with the Baltic states.


Did you not read the thread title you complete retard. We aren't close to Iberbers and don't want to be.

Said the girl that thinks dogs are stupid

[alnortedelsur]

Damn, man. You're like more Iberian than I am.

Thanks :o

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Thanks :o

I was being sarcastic.

Every time there is something that touches on Spain you show up. It's weird. You do realize you would be seen as a Sudaca by racists in Spain, right?

[Joso]

The most striking divide in Euro genetics is north-south.All southerns euros are closer to each other than ALL northern euros. Also not sure wtf you're talking about. In the first one, there's a stronger match with FINLAND than in Iberia. Same with the Baltic states.


Did you not read the thread title you complete retard. We aren't close to Iberbers and don't want to be.

You Brits are close to Mexico. At least Berbers are real men, not like Brit One Direction fags

[Joso]

I was being sarcastic.

Every time there is something that touches on Spain you show up. It's weird. You do realize you would be seen as a Sudaca by racists in Spain, right?

At least he have Iberian conquerer blood and you no. Don't be so butthurt

[Heather Duval]

There are no sucessful Iberian colonies.

[alnortedelsur]

I was being sarcastic.

Every time there is something that touches on Spain you show up. It's weird. You do realize you would be seen as a Sudaca by racists in Spain, right?

I have all my right to feel identified with my main background. And yes, I know there are some full Spanish racists who would see me as sudaca, and I don't care about them.

I don't defend Spain to be "accepted" by full Iberians from Spain, I do it for defending my main heritage, just like an Italian American would feel insulted if somebody talks shit about Italy and Italians.

That stupid fat redneck doesn't stop on talking shit of my main origins, and the country of my mom.

Don't ever question me again. Mind your own business.

[Joso]

There are no sucessful Iberian colonies.

Go to your bed and Open well your ass because now i will do it mercilessly. You're my favorite prostitute by now.

[Heather Duval]

I have all my right to feel identified with my main background. And yes, I know there are some full Spanish racists who would see me as sudaca, and I don't care about them.

I don't defend Spain to be "accepted" by full Iberians from Spain, I do it for defending my main heritage, just like an Italian American would feel insulted if somebody talks shit about Italy and Italians.

That stupid fat redneck doesn't stop on talking shit of my main origins, and the country of my mom.

Don't ever question me again. Mind your own business.

Italian Americans dont care about Italy/Italians. They care about Italian AMERICANS. Most folks from new world irl dont care about their country of roots at all. Reasoning Americans cant even name where Spain and Italy is. Plus, whites Americans of English roots are the ones who dont want any associetion with UK and loves to make fun of their accent.

[Heather Duval]

Go to your bed and Open well your ass because now i will do it mercilessly. You're my favorite prostitute by now.

Nigga... please

[Profileid]

You're very far from Iberians. Sorry for you, fat Walmart girl.

YES THAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD THANKS FOR STATING

[Joso]

Nigga... please

Watch u mouth ma bitch

[alnortedelsur]

Italian Americans dont care about Italy/Italians. They care about Italian AMERICANS. Most folks from new world irl dont care about their country of roots at all. Reasoning Americans cant even name where Spain and Italy is. Plus, whites Americans of English roots are the ones who dont want any associetion with UK and loves to make fun of their accent.

I put a bad example, since US America is distinct. Even the Italian American cuisine (that is terrible) is very different from the authentic Italian cuisine.

But South America is different, and the Euro descent people from Venezuela, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, etc feel very connected with their European country of origin (and even more when you're son of an immigrant from Europe itself, as in my case), and there is nothing wrong with it.

[Profileid]

Iberian monkeys. Thumbing down random inoffense posts and straying off topic. This is about genetics

[alnortedelsur]

YES THAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD THANKS FOR STATING

And you will never be close to Iberians. I'm glad that you have that clear. Thanks.

[Heather Duval]

I put a bad example, since US America is distinct. Even the Italian American cuisine (that is terrible) is very different from the authentic Italian cuisine.

But South America is different, and the Euro descent people from Venezuela, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, etc feel very connected with their European country of origin (and even more when you're son of an immigrant from Europe itself, as in my case), and there is nothing wrong with it.

Not really, only recent immigrants or sons of them may feel it. Plentys of whites here especially colonials dont care about their origins and feels very Brazilian. As well u have German Brazilians on anthropoly forums who feels more Brazilian than German(Token).

[Friends of Oliver Society]

At least he have Iberian conquerer blood and you no. Don't be so butthurt

The majority guys who went over and did the conquering would be the type of people who today you would find in prison.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I have all my right to feel identified with my main background. And yes, I know there are some full Spanish racists who would see me as sudaca, and I don't care about them.

I don't defend Spain to be "accepted" by full Iberians from Spain, I do it for defending my main heritage, just like an Italian American would feel insulted if somebody talks shit about Italy and Italians.

That stupid fat redneck doesn't stop on talking shit of my main origins, and the country of my mom.

Here is a thought: defend Venezuela. Iberians don't need your help.



Don't ever question me again. Mind your own business.

Go fuck yourself, fag. I'll question your fake ass all I want because you are a fake ass. What are you going to do about it? Try harder?

[Aodhan]

thank you

[Profileid]

That stupid fat redneck doesn't stop on talking shit of my main origins, and the country of my mom.


Where was that happening?

[Meruru]

At least he have Iberian conquerer blood and you no. Don't be so butthurt


The majority guys who went over and did the conquering would be the type of people who today you would find in prison.

Vc não cansa de ser pisado nesse forum menino? Olha a vergonha que vc ta passando.

https://i.imgur.com/DBq78Ek.gif

[Graham]

Iberia is closer to middle neolithic and the copper age, with smaller Bronze age input and Britain changed massively like most of northern Europe in the Bronze age.

[Petalpusher]

i think there is a problem with your map

[alnortedelsur]

Not really, only recent immigrants or sons of them may feel it. Plentys of whites here especially colonials dont care about their origins and feels very Brazilian. As well u have German Brazilians on anthropoly forums who feels more Brazilian than German(Token).

Well, I am in the first case: I am a son of an European immigrant (my Spanish mother). I hate when this guy or any other person tells me that I cannot take pride of my origin, or respond back when somebody talks shit about the country of my mom and where most of my origin is from. I'm doing just like you when you embrace your African roots.

[alnortedelsur]

Here is a thought: defend Venezuela. Iberians don't need your help.




Go fuck yourself, fag. I'll question your fake ass all I want because you are a fake ass. What are you going to do about it? Try harder?

I'm not doing it for them, idiot. Did you read my post?

And you won't tell me what to do. I defend and feel identified with whatever I fucking want.

I'm the one who tells you to go and fuck yourself, imbecile.

[alnortedelsur]

Where was that happening?

Allways, like in this thread, where you are claiming that Iberians are desperate to be close to Brits.

[Heather Duval]

Well, I am in the first case: I am a son of an European immigrant (my Spanish mother). I hate when this guy or any other person tells me that I cannot take pride of my origin, or respond back when somebody talks shit about the country of my mom and where most of my origin is from. I'm doing just like you when you embrace your African roots.

Its ok. But to be honest, I just embrace my roots because im from anthropology forum. And you know, folks here are reallly different from real life. I dont see blacks in real life here(in my country) talking about Africa or something, same way many whites irl dont care about their roots. But I think sons of immigrants or recent immigrants family care way more, for both case: African and European descendants

[Grace O'Malley]

Allways, like in this thread, where you are claiming that Iberians are desperate to be close to Brits.

These sort of threads constantly come up though and that is why this thread was made. It was discussed a lot years ago but that was around the time of Oppenheimer's book so it was quite a hot topic. This has been debunked now because we all know about the Steppe migrations. Yet here we are with another thread. Genetic evidence now supports no link so people should move on. It can easily be disproven.

It doesn't mean that Iberians aren't great or that British aren't great. No one needs to start insulting people. Anyone who has been here for a while knows that I have had a lot of insults just for posting accurate information namely about this particular topic as it comes up regularly. I constantly feel that I have to defend my position by saying I don't dislike anyone. :) Some people are very sensitive and start accusing you of all sorts of baseless prejudices or insulting your country. I don't know why people get insulted if you state that country X is not close to country Y.

If there is any country in Europe that I want to visit it is Spain. It has great food, culture and people.

I know that Endovélico gets pissed off with this as well. We both have posted genetic stuff for ages and Endovélico longer than me. Anyone looking at genetic data knows what populations are closest to each other. It's not like you have a preference for what people you are closest to genetically. I like the Japanese but I'm not genetically close to them. :)

[B01AB20]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_laqsv9CeZE1qc8755o1_500.png

[Óttar]

Of course the Atlantic facade was just a myth. Nothing more than that.

Then how do you explain Atlantid and Atlanto-Med phenotypes?

[Grace O'Malley]

Then how do you explain Atlantid and Atlanto-Med phenotypes?

Oh you mean those types that are called Pontid or Atlanto-Med depending on where you come from. :)

A good way to explain this is that if someone is classified here as Atlantid and they are Norwegian they will genetically be just like someone classified as Nordid or Tronder and genetically be Scandinavian. Someone who is classified as Atlantid is not going to cluster with an Atlantid from a different country. In short using classifications to try and work out someone's genetic links is going to fail. People in the same family can have different classifications yet they are all from the same genetic background. People of the same nationality will cluster with each other no matter what their classification is. No scientist now would use classifications to try to decipher a country's genetic history.

[Autrigón]

Thanks for the information, I feel better now.

Anyway I haven't seen in my life an Iberian claiming that "connection" :eek:
I only feel connection with Russians and Slovaks...well Estonians too...and also Chinese.

[Autrigón]

Iberian monkeys. Thumbing down random inoffense posts and straying off topic. This is about geneticsWhich Iberians? I'm not reading any Portuguese or Spaniard complaining in this thread. The user Alnortedelsur is South American, not iberian.

Thanks for call me monkey :)

[Cristiano viejo]

This is always pushed by Iberians and it's bullshit.


hahahaha

[Damião de Góis]

Which Iberians? I'm not reading any Portuguese or Spaniard complaining in this thread. The user Alnortedelsur is South American, not iberian.

Thanks for call me monkey :)

The imaginary facade. They are like Don Quixote, they invent enemies who are indifferent to them.

[Suinthila]

This is always pushed by Iberians and it's bullshit.
Here's k36 similarity maps of two British people. Notice how there's more similarity with Eastern Europe and even Russia than Iberia despite being a lot closer geographically.
https://i.imgur.com/LfHExrz.png
https://i.imgur.com/MnniL9T.png


https://media1.tenor.com/images/399f7fda5d9fb4ca4fbb1739f34cb284/tenor.gif?itemid=6021378

[Antimage]

Which Iberian member talks about Atlantic Facade? I've seen one such thread recently, and it was made by Jolsonaro, a Brazilian who often trolls.

[Sikeliot]

Iberians are genetically closer to Brits and Germans than to Sicilians though even though they don't look like it.

[MinervaItalica]

Iberians are genetically closer to Brits and Germans than to Sicilians though even though they don't look like it.

Thx for your usual pearl of wisdom.

[Óttar]

Oh you mean those types that are called Pontid or Atlanto-Med depending on where you come from. :)

A good way to explain this is that if someone is classified here as Atlantid and they are Norwegian they will genetically be just like someone classified as Nordid or Tronder and genetically be Scandinavian. Someone who is classified as Atlantid is not going to cluster with an Atlantid from a different country. In short using classifications to try and work out someone's genetic links is going to fail. People in the same family can have different classifications yet they are all from the same genetic background. People of the same nationality will cluster with each other no matter what their classification is. No scientist now would use classifications to try to decipher a country's genetic history.

So Quinn's Atlantean hypothesis isn't true? That Atlantic populations from the coasts of Europe interacted through sea-lanes?

My dad and I both have I1 Y-DNA from the Hiberno-Vikings, but we both have dark-dark brown hair.

[Profileid]

Iberians are genetically closer to Brits and Germans than to Sicilians though even though they don't look like it.

Absolutely not.

[Joso]

Absolutely not.

Absolutely yes, dog hater. Accept that Iberians are mor related to you than scandinavians, that is a fact, i know you likes fags but manly Iberians are the ones that you would prefer in the right hour.

[Heather Duval]

I love Profileid

[Profileid]

Absolutely yes, dog hater. Accept that Iberians are mor related to you than scandinavians, that is a fact, i know you likes fags but manly Iberians are the ones that you would prefer in the right hour.

I think you need to check the OP again

[Joso]

I think you need to check the OP again

I am already convinced that you just "hates" Iberians because you had a crush in one and he rejected you hahahahaha but keep trying, some day you will find some Iberian or Iberian descendant that you will like, just be patient

[Cristiano viejo]

I think you need to check the OP again

It is you who needs. Not a fuckin Iberian user claims what you say we claim :rolleyes:

[Profileid]

https://web.archive.org/web/20160703121916/http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?203532-What-s-up-with-the-Atlantic-Fuckade-myths
the thread that broke the will of TA Iberians forever

[Joso]

It is you who needs. Not a fuckin Iberian user claims what you say we claim :rolleyes:

Yes, it is only Brits that wants to be Iberians.

[Joso]

https://web.archive.org/web/20160703121916/http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?203532-What-s-up-with-the-Atlantic-Fuckade-myths
the thread that broke the will of TA Iberians forever

That still don't changes the fact that you are atlantid and have the some phenotype of the majority of the Iberians hahaha

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, it is only Brits that wants to be Iberians.

And Profileid that wants to be German.

[Joso]

And Profileid that wants to be German.

Yes. But she is Iberian of the north( AKA British), nothing more

[Ülev]

Celtic heritage strong


https://youtu.be/762JykulBMU

[Joso]

Celtic heritage strong


https://youtu.be/762JykulBMU

Yes, celtiberian. I know that you Brits are proud to have Iberian heritage, very cool!

[♥ Lily ♥]

Yes, it is only Brits that wants to be Iberians.

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Grace is proud of her Irish ancestry, for example.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying and insulting to us, because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity and we have no connection to Iberians. Spain is not part of the Anglosphere.

What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused:

We have no connection to Iberians. The Spanish are not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans. Spain has a different history of ancestral settlers and a different climate.

The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland.

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images of individual people, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.

Do these crowds of southern English people look Spanish?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKCGoGZPZ0k&t=141s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAPeF3EkUx0

Welsh students
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article14577700.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Swansea-and-Cardiff-students-enjoying-themselves-on-Welsh-Varsity-Shield-day-in-Swansea.jpg
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/450693/image_update_img.jpg
http://www.renishaw.com/media/img/gen/f09f843dd35f423c9babf5f90a9167c9.jpg

From Swansea, southern Wales
https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-580x288/public/news/news/swanseacrop.jpg?itok=59TBNe_G
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article4865771.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/mai-99-graduates-4JPG.jpg

Cornish students, south-west Britain
http://www.thepost.uk.com/images/news/2016/St-Joseph's-School.jpg
http://www.cornish-times.co.uk/images/news/2017/st-winnow-church-bells-lerryn-school.jpg
http://www.thepost.uk.com/images/news/2010/WEB-Marhamchurch-pupils-Class-4-support-sea-pool-campaign.jpg
http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275776/Article/images/13743002/3301746.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize87/80b13c460755ca3c0c0ea4eb5fea3003.png
https://www.businesscornwall.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Mawnan-Smith-School-Kids-and-pads.jpg
http://www.truroschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/U15-CSG-Sevens-Champions-2016-2000x2000.jpg

Basque crowds, northern Spain
http://culture-of-the-basques.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/1/8/16187286/122863_orig.jpeg
http://d2sh4fq2xsdeg9.cloudfront.net/contentAsset/image/78caacdb-8572-455b-8bfe-fc9a6ce1a777/image/byInode/1/filter/Resize,Jpeg/jpeg_q/69/resize_w/604
https://cdni.rt.com/files/news/21/36/40/00/spain-protests-law-fine.si.jpg

[Joso]

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Britain', etc. Not just on TA but on YT too for several years.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity. What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused: We have no connection to Iberians. They're not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans. The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland. I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images, because it's pathetic and lame.

Ok. You re right, then. But did you read the private message i've send you about kicking out a member forever?

[Joso]

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Not just on TA, but on YT too for several years.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity.

What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused:

We have no connection to Iberians. They're not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans.

The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland.

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.

Do these crowds of southern English people look Spanish?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKCGoGZPZ0k&t=141s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAPeF3EkUx0

Welsh students
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article14577700.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Swansea-and-Cardiff-students-enjoying-themselves-on-Welsh-Varsity-Shield-day-in-Swansea.jpg
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/450693/image_update_img.jpg
http://www.renishaw.com/media/img/gen/f09f843dd35f423c9babf5f90a9167c9.jpg

From Swansea, southern Wales
https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-580x288/public/news/news/swanseacrop.jpg?itok=59TBNe_G
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article4865771.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/mai-99-graduates-4JPG.jpg

Cornish students, south-west Britain
http://www.thepost.uk.com/images/news/2016/St-Joseph's-School.jpg
http://www.cornish-times.co.uk/images/news/2017/st-winnow-church-bells-lerryn-school.jpg
http://www.thepost.uk.com/images/news/2010/WEB-Marhamchurch-pupils-Class-4-support-sea-pool-campaign.jpg
http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275776/Article/images/13743002/3301746.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize87/80b13c460755ca3c0c0ea4eb5fea3003.png
https://www.businesscornwall.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Mawnan-Smith-School-Kids-and-pads.jpg
http://www.truroschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/U15-CSG-Sevens-Champions-2016-2000x2000.jpg

Yes they look just very Iberian. Apart of pigmentation and fag look, i really cannot tell the difference.

[Damião de Góis]

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Not just on TA, but on YT too for several years.


Who ask this? Which members?



Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis)

Are we? BarcelonaAtlantis is a mexican sock and this thread was started by a brazilian. Iberian posters usually post about Iberia. I think we post about Britain as much as we post about Belarus.



I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.


That's just hilarious, you must show me the links of these threads. I think i heard about Cornish people for the first time on internet forums.

[B01AB20]

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Not just on TA, but on YT too for several years.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity.

What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused:

We have no connection to Iberians. They're not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans.

The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland.

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.



lol... what a fatuous, conceited and snobbish post and attitude. :p

In fact that's the stereotype of english high class people. English low class people is quite different, more like drunken hooligans...

I think there's a natural and mutual rejection between english people and many other countries because you're quite detestable.

For me It's a pleasure to leave you alone, and I hope you do the same with us.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Yes they look just very Iberian. Apart of pigmentation and fag look, i really cannot tell the difference.

You mean the guy in your signature pic?


Ok. You re right, then. But did you read the private message i've send you about kicking out a member forever?

Yeah I read your pm... but I don't submit to your demands and orders to permaban people.

[Alcuin52]

lol... what a fatuous, conceited and snobbish post and attitude. :p

In fact that's the stereotype of english high class people. English low class people is quite different, more like drunken hooligans...

I think there's a natural and mutual rejection between english people and many other countries because you're quite detestable.

For me It's a pleasure to leave you alone, and I hope you do the same with us

We get it, Spaniards hate the fact that they're so dirt poor they have to turn quaint fishing villages into hedonistic party towns and advertise them as cheap holiday resorts for the worst of British society. Don't project your self-hatred onto us though, buddy :p

[Joso]

You mean the guy in your signature pic?



Yeah I read your pm... but I don't submit to your demands and orders to permaban people.

Ok but there is a lot of reasons to do that. I am not the only one that wants this member to be banned. EVERYONE wants.

[Ülev]

how about unban....R1ethel and Stears? :rolleyes:

[♥ Lily ♥]

Who ask this? Which members?

Sikeliot does, and also I've seen BA and others in the past asking this question. I can't remember their names, but I'm sure they can be found in the taxonomy section.


Are we? BarcelonaAtlantis is a mexican sock and this thread was started by a brazilian. Iberian posters usually post about Iberia. I think we post about Britain as much as we post about Belarus.

Totally wrong. I've known extremely him for years (long before TA) and he's Basque. He has no socks. We used to be best friends for years, but most of our viscious fallouts in the past on YT and in chatrooms were over arguments of him saying 'the Basques are the true British, Celts, Anglo Saxons,' etc.

I've even spoken to him on the phone and I certainly didn't receive his call from Mexico, but from Spain.

Go check his IP and you'll see. :)

[Bell Beaker]

Sikeliot does, and also I've seen BA and others in the past asking this question. I can't remember their names, but I'm sure they can be found in the taxonomy section.



Totally wrong. I've known extremely him for years (long before TA) and he's Basque. He has no socks.

I've even spoken to him on the phone and I certainly didn't receive his call from Mexico, but from Spain. If you don't believe me, check his IP. :)

Sikeliot is an American with various ancestries, you've spoken with that weirdo? He is a complete sock of Mn1, even the same kind of broken English is the same.

:laugh:

[Damião de Góis]

Sikeliot does, and also I've seen BA and others in the past asking this question. I can't remember their names, but I'm sure they can be found in the taxonomy section.

And since when Sikeliot is an iberian poster? I'll wait for the links of these threads then.



Totally wrong. I've known extremely him for years (long before TA) and he's Basque. He has no socks.

I've even spoken to him on the phone and I certainly didn't receive his call from Mexico, but from Spain. If you don't believe me, check his IP. :)

I was under the impression he was a Martin sock. But i never checked into detail because i never cared that much, certainly not to the point of having a phone conversation with him.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Ok but there is a lot of reasons to do that. I am not the only one that wants this member to be banned. EVERYONE wants.

I'm not the only mod on here. Why don't you ask other mods to permaban the person in question, instead of demanding and pressurising me to do it?

[♥ Lily ♥]

I was under the impression he was a Martin sock. But i never checked into detail because i never cared that much, certainly not to the point of having a phone conversation with him.

They've been best friends for years and I can assure you they're two different people with their own personalities. I've seen Martin in chatrooms on camera and he's a white Mexican in the US. His IP is totally different if you don't believe me. BA and Martin have had fallouts in the past too, before making-up again, as they're not the same person.

I never had a phone conversaton with BA to check where he's from, but because the two of us used to be very close friends for years... this was years ago now before him and Martin joined TA, and before Martin showed and invited me to TA. I can swear on my life that BA is not Mexican. I've seen their photos and both the Basque poster (BA) and the Mexican-American poster (Martin) are pale white, and not Amerindian-looking as some people try to claim.

I've nothing against Basques and I've learned a tremendous amount about the Basques from him over the years (their love of Jai Alai, their foods, their people, having the highest amount of rhesus negative blood, being the oldest Europeans, etc,) and I used to take a lot of interest in learning about their culture from him and would spend long hours carefully making tribute videos for years about the Basques for him as he requested (a Basque female even thanked me once underneath her video upload and by singing a song by an English band that we both like and by playing on her guitar for me in a thank you video.)

I would make his YT channels and designs for him, etc, in the past, and I even made his TA avatar and signature for him only recently... but I just find the claims about the Basques being 'from planet Niburu, building the pyramids, being superior to everyone else, colonising every nation in the world, building Paris and Rome, inventing the Olympics, being the true Brits, being the true Vikings, true Anglo Saxons, true Celts, true Romans, true Greeks, everyone else being inferior to the Basques and Catalans,', etc, etc, very annoying.

I'm not saying we're superior or inferior to Basques, (both have lots to be proud of in our own separate cultures,) but we're just different and like our own identities.

[de Burgh II]

Genetically speaking, British Islanders cluster closely with people around the North Sea fringe; Belgians, Danes, Dutch, Scandinavians, etc. due to their similar Steppic/Indo-European levels. Whereas Iberians usually maintain their own genetic bubble/cluster due to their preserved homogeneity that forms its own. Nevertheless, the closest population that might share some genetic similarities with them would probably be Northwestern Italians, but thats about it.

[Autrigón]

Sikeliot does, and also I've seen BA and others in the past asking this question. I can't remember their names, but I'm sure they can be found in the taxonomy section.



Totally wrong. I've known extremely him for years (long before TA) and he's Basque. He has no socks. We used to be best friends for years, but most of our viscious fallouts in the past on YT and in chatrooms were over arguments of him saying 'the Basques are the true British, Celts, Anglo Saxons,' etc.

I've even spoken to him on the phone and I certainly didn't receive his call from Mexico, but from Spain.

Go check his IP and you'll see. :)Are you reading yourself? You are lying like a troll.
People is making you a simple question: which Iberian members claim that shit of connection? Your answer: ooh...eeem... I don't remember their names...oh wait a guy that 10 years ago open a thread about that. Anyway that guy was South American.

I only see threads about British claiming to be lighter than Germans and calling southern Germans darkies, etc. It's you who are obsessed trying to make connections with Scandinavians. So don't project your shit on us.

It's you who opens threads in Spain section. Oh wait in the UK section I don't see a single thread opened by an Iberian. woooowww!

In Iberia we don't give a shit about Britain, Scandinavia and that kind of retarded nordicism that you like to spread. My only brothers are the Portuguese period.

[dperucca]

Don't mind me i'm just here to watch the drama unfold :icon_cheers:

[Joso]

Are you reading yourself? You are lying like a troll.
People is making you a simple question: which Iberian members claim that shit of connection? Your answer: ooh...eeem... I don't remember their names...oh wait a guy that 10 years ago open a thread about that. Anyway that guy was South American.

I only see threads about British claiming to be lighter than Germans and calling southern Germans darkies, etc. It's you who are obsessed trying to make connections with Scandinavians. So don't project your shit on us.

It's you who opens threads in Spain section. Oh wait in the UK section I don't see a single thread opened by an Iberian. woooowww!

In Iberia we don't give a shit about Britain, Scandinavia and that kind of retarded nordicism that you like to spread. My only brothers are the Portuguese period.

I am the guy that opend a thrad about relation between British-Iberian and i am Brazilian. End of the case.

[Alcuin52]

Are you reading yourself? You are lying like a troll.
People is making you a simple question: which Iberian members claim that shit of connection? Your answer: ooh...eeem... I don't remember their names...oh wait a guy that 10 years ago open a thread about that. Anyway that guy was South American.

I only see threads about British claiming to be lighter than Germans and calling southern Germans darkies, etc. It's you who are obsessed trying to make connections with Scandinavians. So don't project your shit on us.

It's you who opens threads in Spain section. Oh wait in the UK section I don't see a single thread opened by an Iberian. woooowww!

hahahaha you're seething aren't you

Why are you so mad about a few posts on the internet?


In Iberia we don't give a shit about Britain, Scandinavia and that kind of retarded nordicism that you like to spread

I have genuinely never encountered a Briton who peddled Nordicism, because Britons are not a Nordic people

Also the Spanish seem to devote an unhealthy amount of their mental capacity (where it exists) to discrediting Britain, especially England - provided they can tell the difference between the two. One might call the Spaniards' lies dark in tone and mythological in nature.

A black legend, if you will :butt:

[♥ Lily ♥]

Are you reading yourself? You are lying like a troll.
People is making you a simple question: which Iberian members claim that shit of connection? Your answer: ooh...eeem... I don't remember their names...oh wait a guy that 10 years ago open a thread about that. Anyway that guy was South American.

I only see threads about British claiming to be lighter than Germans and calling southern Germans darkies, etc. It's you who are obsessed trying to make connections with Scandinavians. So don't project your shit on us.

It's you who opens threads in Spain section. Oh wait in the UK section I don't see a single thread opened by an Iberian. woooowww!

In Iberia we don't give a shit about Britain, Scandinavia and that kind of retarded nordicism that you like to spread. My only brothers are the Portuguese period.

:eek: You're sick.

I don't lie, I'm telling the truth!! You're an obvious troll by your post.

Which threads have I opened in the Spain section - other than a recent news article thread? :confused:

I can't be bothered to go and search for threads in the taxonomy secion, but I know I've seen Iberians asking in the past if they pass in countries like Britain. I don't spread Nordicism. :icon_ask: And yes, BA and Sikeliot have tried numerous times to link Iberians to British and Irish people. Now you're trying to pass BA off as being 'Mexican' - when I know that he's not - and any mod can check his IP and see that's he's from the Basque Country.

Grace O'Malley has also been annoyed with Iberians trying to state that Irish people are 'Iberians'.

The OP Profilied has clearly noticed it too to make this thread.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132958-Historians-note-that-Odin-who-was-a-very-popular-Thracian-ruler-Thracians-a-hidden-history

[Thot Whisperer]

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Grace is proud of her Irish ancestry, for example.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying and insulting to us, because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity and we have no connection to Iberians. Spain is not part of the Anglosphere.

What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused:

We have no connection to Iberians. The Spanish are not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans. Spain has a different history of ancestral settlers and a different climate.

The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland.

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images of individual people, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.

Do these crowds of southern English people look Spanish?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKCGoGZPZ0k&t=141s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAPeF3EkUx0

Welsh students
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article14577700.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Swansea-and-Cardiff-students-enjoying-themselves-on-Welsh-Varsity-Shield-day-in-Swansea.jpg
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/450693/image_update_img.jpg
http://www.renishaw.com/media/img/gen/f09f843dd35f423c9babf5f90a9167c9.jpg

From Swansea, southern Wales
https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-580x288/public/news/news/swanseacrop.jpg?itok=59TBNe_G
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article4865771.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/mai-99-graduates-4JPG.jpg

Cornish students, south-west Britain
http://www.thepost.uk.com/images/news/2016/St-Joseph's-School.jpg
http://www.cornish-times.co.uk/images/news/2017/st-winnow-church-bells-lerryn-school.jpg
http://www.thepost.uk.com/images/news/2010/WEB-Marhamchurch-pupils-Class-4-support-sea-pool-campaign.jpg
http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275776/Article/images/13743002/3301746.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize87/80b13c460755ca3c0c0ea4eb5fea3003.png
https://www.businesscornwall.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Mawnan-Smith-School-Kids-and-pads.jpg
http://www.truroschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/U15-CSG-Sevens-Champions-2016-2000x2000.jpg

Basque crowds, northern Spain
http://culture-of-the-basques.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/1/8/16187286/122863_orig.jpeg
http://d2sh4fq2xsdeg9.cloudfront.net/contentAsset/image/78caacdb-8572-455b-8bfe-fc9a6ce1a777/image/byInode/1/filter/Resize,Jpeg/jpeg_q/69/resize_w/604
https://cdni.rt.com/files/news/21/36/40/00/spain-protests-law-fine.si.jpg

It’s sad seeing a mod like you participating in a troll thread just because cristiano viejo hurt your feelings. The Atlantic facade thing was a popular topic on this site couple of years ago but it’s been disproven scientifically. When have actual spanish users claimed any sort of kinship with British people? When have REAL spanish users said they have any sort of ancestral links with Normans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons? Your ignorance truly knows no bounds and yet you still have the audacity to to keep posting your nonsense. Real Iberians give zero fucks about brits and we are proud of our own heritage. Learn how to discern between the sock accounts/trolls and native users.

[Thot Whisperer]

We get it, Spaniards hate the fact that they're so dirt poor they have to turn quaint fishing villages into hedonistic party towns and advertise them as cheap holiday resorts for the worst of British society. Don't project your self-hatred onto us though, buddy :p

It’s your kind that’s always in Spain, matter of fact hundreds of thousands of your people if not millions god forbid.

[Autrigón]

:eek: You're sick.

I don't lie, I'm telling the truth!! You're an obvious troll by your post.

Which threads have I opened in the Spain section - other than a recent news article thread? :confused:

I can't be bothered to go and search for threads in the taxonomy secion, but I know I've seen Iberians asking in the past if they pass in countries like Britain. I don't spread Nordicism. :icon_ask: And yes, BA and Sikeliot have tried numerous times to link Iberians to British and Irish people.

Grace O'Malley has also been annoyed with Iberians trying to state that Irish people are 'Iberians'.

The OP Profilied has clearly noticed it too to make this thread.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132958-Historians-note-that-Odin-who-was-a-very-popular-Thracian-ruler-Thracians-a-hidden-historypfft that's your argument?... I've seen hundreds of threads about British asking if they pass in Sweden, Turkish asking if they pass in Greece, Germans in Croatia, Nothern Italians in France, Serbs in Poland, French in Spain, Northern Slavs asking if they pass in the Balkans, etc, etc, etc, etc
And you only focus in Iberians?? come on...

Sikeliot is not Iberian, I have never seen him writing in Portuguese or Spanish, he is from everywhere, nobody knows where is he from, he has hundreds of ethnicties in his profile.

[♥ Lily ♥]

It’s sad seeing a mod like you participating in a troll thread just because cristiano viejo hurt your feelings. The Atlantic facade thing was a popular topic on this site couple of years ago but it’s been disproven scientifically. When have actual spanish users claimed any sort of kinship with British people? When have REAL spanish users said they have any sort of ancestral links with Normans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons? Your ignorance truly knows no bounds and yet you still have the audacity to to keep posting your nonsense. Real Iberians give zero fucks about brits and we are proud of our own heritage. Learn how to discern between the sock accounts/trolls and native users.

CV is insignificant to me, so he hasn't 'hurt my feelings'. :rolleyes:

I'm participating in this thread because I'm also amongst the posters who feel fed-up of silly people trying to relate Iberians to both British and Irish people.

Your ignorance and denial of this happening on TA is astounding.

[♥ Lily ♥]

pfft that's your argument?... I've seen hundreds of threads about British asking if they pass in Sweden, Turkish asking if they pass in Greece, Germans in Croatia, Nothern Italians in France, Serbs in Poland, French in Spain, Northern Slavs asking if they pass in the Balkans, etc, etc, etc, etc
And you only focus in Iberians?? come on...

Sikeliot is not Iberian, I have never seen him writing in Portuguese or Spanish, he is from everywhere, nobody knows where is he from, he has hundreds of ethnicties in his profile.

I never made those threads.

[Catarinense1998]

Don't mind me i'm just here to watch the drama unfold :icon_cheers:

Me too.

[Catarinense1998]

It’s sad seeing a mod like you participating in a troll thread just because cristiano viejo hurt your feelings. The Atlantic facade thing was a popular topic on this site couple of years ago but it’s been disproven scientifically. When have actual spanish users claimed any sort of kinship with British people? When have REAL spanish users said they have any sort of ancestral links with Normans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons? Your ignorance truly knows no bounds and yet you still have the audacity to to keep posting your nonsense. Real Iberians give zero fucks about brits and we are proud of our own heritage. Learn how to discern between the sock accounts/trolls and native users.

Do you have iberian heritage too?

[♥ Lily ♥]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?90233-Why-Western-Europe-and-the-Atlantic-facade-is-more-Alpha-than-the-rest

[Alcuin52]

It’s your kind that’s always in Spain, matter of fact hundreds of thousands of your people if not millions god forbid

Is it wrong that your impotent rage arouses me?

[♥ Lily ♥]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69713-The-Atlantic-Facade-Populations

[♥ Lily ♥]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?144768-CLASSIFY-These-Three-Atlantic-Facade-Ladies

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Iberians come from mixed iberian tribes with celts but brits are saxons that fucked celtic woman

But spanish also have some north african ancestry and some italian ancestry from more than a thousand years ago. They also have visigoth ancestry

[♥ Lily ♥]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210074-what-have-you-learned-on-TA&p=5016642&highlight=Meds+superior#post5016642

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Oh yea the ssa in iberians is from moors and blacks that lived in the iberian peninsula before.

[Thot Whisperer]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?144768-CLASSIFY-These-Three-Atlantic-Facade-Ladies

Lol, your gonna go as far as posting links from inactive users? Anyways Spain is located in Southwestern Europe, you’re gonna see people with classic med features(Southern) and people with pan euro features(western). I dont see what’s wrong with the link you’ve posted.

[Thot Whisperer]

Is it wrong that your impotent rage arouses me?

If you’re getting a roused by forum drama you should definitely go out more.

[Thot Whisperer]

Do you have iberian heritage too?

I’m American but with some Spanish ancestry.

[Catarinense1998]

I’m American but with some Spanish ancestry.

From Basque Country, Galicia?

[♥ Lily ♥]

Lol, your gonna go as far as posting links from inactive users? Anyways Spain is located in Southwestern Europe, you’re gonna see people with classic med features(Southern) and people with pan euro features(western). I dont see what’s wrong with the link you’ve posted.

Irrelevant if they're inactive;- it stands what they posted. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132958-Historians-note-that-Odin-who-was-a-very-popular-Thracian-ruler-Thracians-a-hidden-history

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

From Basque Country, Galicia?From 23andme I bet

[Catarinense1998]

From 23andme I bet

Maybe he knows about the origin of his spaniards ancestrals.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Maybe he knows about the origin of his spaniards ancestrals.Riiiggghhht. I bet he knows his cherokee ancestors with 1% native

[Alcuin52]

If you’re getting a roused by forum drama you should definitely go out more

Priapism can be useful for the carrying of cumbersome bags of shopping, but it's embarrassing to have people stare.

I'll stay in the basement for as long as mother will allow.

[B01AB20]

Don't mind me i'm just here to watch the drama unfold :icon_cheers:

I regret of biting the bait this time and attacking with generical bad stereotypes to english people only because this conceited and snobbish poster lyly. :p

In fact there are great and quality english posters here like Neon Knight, Graham and many others. I apologize for being the typical Apricity asshole this time.

[Thot Whisperer]

CV is insignificant to me, so he hasn't 'hurt my feelings'. :rolleyes:

I'm participating in this thread because I'm also amongst the posters who feel fed-up of silly people trying to relate Iberians to both British and Irish people.

Your ignorance and denial of this happening on TA is astounding.
Trust me, us Iberians are fed up with yous being compared to us as well. It’s not my fault baggage from a couple years ago is being brought back.

[♥ Lily ♥]

I regret of biting the bait this time and attacking with generical bad stereotypes to english people only because this conceited and snobbish poster lyly. :p

In fact there are great and quality english posters here like Neon Knight, Graham and many others. I apologize for being the typical Apricity asshole this time.

Slanderous and snide post.

I'm not the one who said that 'Basques are superior to everyone else on the planet.'

Also I don't look down on people from other ethnicities... like your pal Cristiano Viejo & co. You want to talk about being a snob?!? Look at CV who looks down on the Saint Lucian father of my son and considers him as an inferior person to him.

Address the correct person who said that Basques are superior. Just because me and other posters such as Grace don't consider ourselves as 'Iberians', you twist that around as 'conceited' and 'snobbish.' :picard1: I've made plenty of Basque tribute videos in the past btw. Would you like it if people falsely labelled you as something you're not?

Graham is English? :icon_ask: I think that's insulting to Scottish people (they like their own identity,) and it's you who's telling porkie-pies.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Trust me, us Iberians are fed up with yous being compared to us as well. It’s not my fault baggage from a couple years ago is being brought back.U arent iberian. Your'e an anglosaxon

[Thot Whisperer]

Irrelevant if they're inactive;- it stands what they posted. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132958-Historians-note-that-Odin-who-was-a-very-popular-Thracian-ruler-Thracians-a-hidden-history
Regardless I don’t see anything wrong with what they have posted. Spain is an R1b nation, it is Western and Southern as well.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Regardless I don’t see anything with what they have posted. Spain is an R1b nation, it is Western and Southern as well.All of europe is practically r1b except the balkans and greece

[Tietar]

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images of individual people, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.


you pretend to make a comparison by posting bright photos of high class British posing, and dark photos of low class Basques protesting?

This nice photo of students from the north of Spain seems more objective than the ones ugly you have selected with bad intention.

https://navarra.elespanol.com/media/navarra/images/2016/04/13/2016041316490668754.jpg

If you do not like the Welsh looking like Spaniards, nobody gives a shit.

No one pretends to look like Welsh. But Spaniards do not have to deny their appearance because you do not like it.

[Profileid]

you pretend to make a comparison by posting bright photos of high class British posing, and dark photos of low class Basques protesting?

This nice photo of students from the north of Spain seems more objective than the ones ugly you have selected with bad intention.


If you do not like the Welsh looking like Spaniards, nobody gives a shit.

No one pretends to look like Welsh. But Spaniards do not have to deny their appearance because you do not like it.

There's no real class variation among british in terms of race or ethnicity. If there WAS a higher class they most likely would not be any lighter.
The fact you purposefully chose photos from northern Spain is noted.

[Catarinense1998]

There's no real class variation among british in terms of race or ethnicity. If there WAS a higher class they most likely would not be any lighter.
The fact you purposefully chose photos from northern Spain is noted.

CV posted a picture about the spaniard basketball team that has an andaluzian who looks British.Just check.

[Profileid]

Another British person: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226161-Post-your-eurogenes-k36-similarity-maps-results/
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69510

[Heather Duval]

There's no real class variation among british in terms of race or ethnicity. If there WAS a higher class they most likely would not be any lighter.
The fact you purposefully chose photos from northern Spain is noted.

It really doesnt makes sense at all. I doubt Brits looks different in classes divisions lol

[Profileid]

CV posted a picture about the spaniard basketball team that has an andaluzian who looks British.Just check.

Yes he was one of the worst offenders.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?88926-The-Irish-are-closer-to-Germans-or-to-Iberians

[Tietar]

It really doesnt makes sense at all. I doubt Brits looks different in classes divisions lol


I do not say that they are different, I say that it is a selection of pretentious photos, all posing, with those uniforms, and those perfect haircuts, smiling, politely. Compared with the one chosen by the Basques.

she could have used this for example

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11889487.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Times-Up-Womens-Rally-Takes-Place-In-London.jpg

[Thot Whisperer]

Another British person: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226161-Post-your-eurogenes-k36-similarity-maps-results/
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69510

Thank you for keep stating the obvious sweetheart. Brits cluster with other Northern Euros and the Iberians have their own genetic cluster. Went back and and read the other posts, still don’t see where Iberians are saying there genetically related to the British. This kinship/relatedness is Just a figment of your imagination for you to keep fanning the flames and sadly others keep falling for it.

[Profileid]

That's bad news for you Walmart girl.

You will never be close to Iberians. Deal with it!

Allways, like in this thread, where you are claiming that Iberians are desperate to be close to Brits.

https://i.imgur.com/RP1K7fA.png

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Vc não cansa de ser pisado nesse forum menino? Olha a vergonha que vc ta passando.

https://i.imgur.com/DBq78Ek.gif

I'm what is referred to as well read on the subject. Ironically most of them got fucked over (few in Cortes' 'band of-brothers' became wealthy; he fucked them). It was those that came after them that became wealthy.

[♥ Lily ♥]

you pretend to make a comparison by posting bright photos of high class British posing, and dark photos of low class Basques protesting?

https://navarra.elespanol.com/media/navarra/images/2016/04/13/2016041316490668754.jpg

Are the people the I posted 'high class' to you? :confused: Some of them look in the middle-classes, but I think most look like comprehensive school uniforms.

There's 7 social classes in the UK: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12037247/the-seven-social-classes-of-21st-century-britain-where-do-you-fit-in.html

Ordinary comprehensive school pupils from the working classes, such as free Church of England schools:

https://i2-prod.chesterchronicle.co.uk/incoming/article12985992.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS118552815.jpg
https://www.lytham.lancs.sch.uk/images/menu/policies.jpg
http://burychurch.bury.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/seniorprefects.jpg
http://www.smithdon.norfolk.sch.uk/_site/data/images/news/6/home-IMG0181.jpg

Non fee-paying Grammar School pupils, (bright and intelligent pupils who pass their 11+ exams at age 11 and academically earn their way into free and non-fee paying Grammar Schools so they can fulfill their academic potential. Pupils don't buy their way into grammar schools, but have to prove their intelligence at age 11.)
http://www.stockportgrammar.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/sixth-form-pupils-at-labour-party-conference.jpg

Portsmouth Grammar School, south coast of England.
https://www.pgs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/10x8-2K9A0219web.jpg

My sister's Grammar School on south coast of England.
https://exampapersplus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Bournemouth-School-for-Girls_mini.jpg

Torquay Grammar School, Devon, south west England. (Some non British people on TA who've never visited the UK claim south-west English people and Welsh people look 'Iberian.' :rolleyes:) I've never noticed any differences of people in this part of the nation from other parts of the UK.
https://www.tggsacademy.org/sites/default/files/62/TGGS%20Swimming%20squad%202014.jpg
https://www.tggsacademy.org/sites/default/files/62/1st%20XI%20Hocky%20Team%202013_14.jpg

Grammar School, Devon, south west England
http://images.archant.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.447179.1276616904!/image/697993095.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/697993095.jpg

Welsh Secondary Schools (where some people on TA claim the people look 'Mediterranean.' :picard1:) I wouldn't mind if it was true, but it's a joke to claim that.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ECTHYM/secondary-school-education-wales-uk-pupils-in-the-school-corridor-ECTHYM.jpg
https://www.waleshigh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/transition.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/cinw/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/10/Archbishop-Barry-with-pupils.jpg


Upper-class students (such as Prince William and the former Conservative leader David Cameron,) attend elite public schools, such as Etonians at Eton. (The name 'public school' is a misnomer though, as it means a prestigious private school for the aristocracy.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom) Also upper middle-class and lower middle-class students usually go to a private school and have ballet lessons and violin and piano lessons from an early age in life.
https://1843magazine.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-main-image-overlay/public/201608_FE_ETO_002-web.jpg

[Alcuin52]

It really doesnt makes sense at all. I doubt Brits looks different in classes divisions lol

We don't.

Foreigners seem to believe that Britain can be divided into an oppressed lower class of Anglicised Celts, a middle class of Anglo-Saxons and an elite of Normans.

You couldn't even claim that as totally truthful in 1066 ffs

[alnortedelsur]

https://i.imgur.com/RP1K7fA.png


An old post from 4 years back. I don't give a shit about being close to Brits.

Iberians are feed up of the stupid airs of superiority of some Brits, and stupid rednecks like you.

You opened this thread waiting for angry Iberian responses, arguing about being related to Brits, but there you go. They don't give a fuck.

You lose, Walmart girl :rolleyes:

[B01AB20]

CV posted a picture about the spaniard basketball team that has an andaluzian who looks British.Just check.

if you haven't noted, profiled upthumbed you because you said that a light spaniard looked british :p

you are given reasons for free to them to saying what they're saying about iberians, and they don't mind if you're not a real iberian.

But anyway, you can claim whatever you want american gorda ;) but still you haven't show a real iberian saying that some random spaniard looks british or whatever.

We can love/hate latin americans, depending on the person, but definitely we cannot be responsible for what they say about us or about anything.

[Profileid]

An old post from 4 years back. I don't give a shit about being close to Brits.

Iberians are feed up of the stupid airs of superiority of some Brits, and stupid rednecks like you.

You opened this thread waiting for angry Iberian responses, arguing about being related to Brits, but there you go. They don't give a fuck.

You lose, Walmart girl :rolleyes:

That's why most of the replies in this thread are from Iberians.

[alnortedelsur]

That's why most of the replies in this thread are from Iberians.

No because they wannabe related to Brits, but for the contrary: to shut the fuck up of those (like you) who accuse them of wanting to be close to Brits. They are not close to Brits, and don't want to be. Capicci?

[Damião de Góis]

That's why most of the replies in this thread are from Iberians.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/hwfltz.jpg

And those few replies came after the vile insults...

[Marmara]

I haven't really seen Iberians being related to Brits. They also look different.

[Thot Whisperer]

if you haven't noted, profiled upthumbed you because you said that a light spaniard looked british :p

you are given reasons for free to them to saying what they're saying about iberians, and they don't mind if you're not a real iberian.

But anyway, you can claim whatever you want american gorda ;) but still you haven't show a real iberian saying that some random spaniard looks british or whatever.

We can love/hate latin americans, depending on the person, but definitely we cannot be responsible for what they say about us or about anything.
The little Brazilian is a snake, he does this quite often.

[Profileid]

http://oi68.tinypic.com/hwfltz.jpg

And those few replies came after the vile insults...

i counted 35 from iberians, not counting jolsonaro

[Knight Slayer]

Truly looking quite dark, Blackadder.
77167

Look! It's the Dark Brit!
77171

Ian McMed
77172

James Bond! From Iberia with Hate.
77173

[B01AB20]

That's why most of the replies in this thread are from Iberians.


http://oi68.tinypic.com/hwfltz.jpg

And those few replies came after the vile insults...

jaja... además de carnes fláccidas, la nena también es una bocazas.

but hey prolifed, we love you, or at least it's difficult to take you seriously.

[Thot Whisperer]

That's why most of the replies in this thread are from Iberians.

You and Lily refuse to respond to me after I refuted your claims. Just take your L and move on. Although I will admit this was a successful troll thread with the high amount of engagement.

[Damião de Góis]

i counted 35 from iberians, not counting jolsonaro

Me, B01AB20, Tietar, Autrigón, Cristiano Viejo all summed don't reach 20. And if it wasn't for Lily's lying and insulting post we would have close to zero, so it's clear we aren't very interested in this subject unlike what people like to suggest.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I'm not doing it for them, idiot. Did you read my post?

Of course you are doing it for them. You feel you belong to their group but you would be seen as a foreigner. I'm 100% Spanish and I'm seen differently by people in Spain (and understandably so as I was raised in a different country) and so I can imagine how you'd be seen.


And you won't tell me what to do. I defend and feel identified with whatever I fucking want.

I don't give orders. What I do is make rational suggestions.


I'm the one who tells you to go and fuck yourself, imbecile.

Since you place some recent Spanish ancestry higher than your Venezuelan origins then it's clearly I who hold the higher position considering I'm 100% ethnically Spanish. So me telling you to "go fuck yourself" carries more weight than you telling me to go fuck myself. You've inadvertently placed me in a higher position in relation to yourself.

[Tong]

Too bad apart from my great great grandfather and great great grandfather im 100% english (more than u ever will be as a mixed american) yet i look more akin to someone from spain or southern france than anything close to scandinavia, finland or poland. Theres obviously a connection, only larpers who're insecure about being part iberian therefore part non-euro (apparently) think otherwise

[Tong]

I dont know why you retards think profileid is even british. She literally posted her dna in a chat and it was like 30% in comparison to my updated one which got like 85%. Stop taking advice from people not related, its like hating poles bc an american of polish jewish origin called chinese ppl ugly

[Tong]

WE WUZ ANGLO SAXONS

[Profileid]

I dont know why you retards think profileid is even british. She literally posted her dna in a chat and it was like 30% in comparison to my updated one which got like 85%. Stop taking advice from people not related, its like hating poles bc an american of polish jewish origin called chinese ppl ugly

I am genetically identical to an English person. If you have wog and Ashkenazi ancestry, then it's clear why you don't pass in scandinavia.
Also please post your results.
https://i.imgur.com/swutcba.png

[♥ Lily ♥]

Me, B01AB20, Tietar, Autrigón, Cristiano Viejo all summed don't reach 20. And if it wasn't for Lily's lying and insulting post we would have close to zero, so it's clear we aren't very interested in this subject unlike what people like to suggest.

I find it offensive and insulting that you are falsely calling me a 'liar'. Show me where I've 'lied' instead of making false accusations. How is it an 'insult' to state that we are not Iberians? :confused:

[Dick]

Can everyone just calm the fuck down.

[Tong]

I am genetically identical to an English person. If you have wog and Ashkenazi ancestry, then it's clear why you don't pass in scandinavia.
Also please post your results.
https://i.imgur.com/swutcba.png

No you arent
Yeah since 8% changes that much and the wog cant even be detected by the updated version. hmmmmmmm

https://i.gyazo.com/8d11ea1844870219aa353c9f90d12de5.png

[Marmara]

I am genetically identical to an English person. If you have wog and Ashkenazi ancestry, then it's clear why you don't pass in scandinavia.
Also please post your results.
https://i.imgur.com/swutcba.png

What is your phenotype?

[Damião de Góis]

I find it offensive that you are falsely calling me a 'liar'. How is it an 'insult' to state that we are not Iberians? :confused:

That was not the only thing you stated:


:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Not just on TA, but on YT too for several years.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity.

What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused:

We have no connection to Iberians. They're not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans.

The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland.

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.



I have highlighted the lies and insults. Do you have any questions? And cheers for the thumbs down and negative rep.

[Carlito's Way]

No you arent
Yeah since 8% changes that much and the wog cant even be detected by the updated version. hmmmmmmm

https://i.gyazo.com/8d11ea1844870219aa353c9f90d12de5.png

you are part jewish my nigga, Profileid on the other hand is 100% white with English roots
she also tested herself with 23andme, not ancestrydna
she is more English than you because English people have no jewish ancestry

[Tong]

you are part jewish my nigga, Profileid on the other hand is 100% white with English roots
she also tested herself with 23andme, not ancestrydna
she is more English than you because English people have no jewish ancestry

Im literally english and all of my family is english apart from the jew and then something else back

Shes not more english than me

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Can everyone just calm the fuck down.

Probert OWNED


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhOF_6mQ64

In his defense Morissette was a roid monkey.

[Profileid]

What is your phenotype?

Not sure actually. I don't look atlantid though

[Morena]

This is a very strange thread. The Iberian/British genetic connection probably comes from the Farmers, who spread through Europe into England. Undoubtedly, most came from France. But like Japan, which was mostly seeded by the Korean Peninsula with a little from S.E Asia, so too did GB receive most of its input from France, with a little coming from Iberia. The reason that the Iberian may have held fast in the imagination of the Irish, had to do with a romantic notion of coming over from a further, more exotic land.

This was destroyed with the bell breakers, who genocided the farmers nearly completely, killing off 90% of them and keeping only a few of them as wives. But, the Bell Breakers did add another connection, which was cultural. They arrived in the Iberian peninsula. For whatever reason, either they wouldn't or they couldn't replace us completely, but they gifted us their language, traditions, beliefs, etc. The Iberians became Celtified. This is why there are similarities in culture between parts of the "Celtic fringe" and North Spain and North Portugal to this day.

Once in a while, you will see an Iberian who "passes" in GB. Why? Because bell breaker.
Once in a while, you will see a British person who "passes" in Iberia. Why? Because farmer.

It's not complicated, people.

[Profileid]

No you arent
Yeah since 8% changes that much and the wog cant even be detected by the updated version. hmmmmmmm

https://i.gyazo.com/8d11ea1844870219aa353c9f90d12de5.png

It's not the same test idiot. 23andme breaks it down differently

[Dick]

This is a very strange thread. The Iberian/British genetic connection probably comes from the Farmers, who spread through Europe into England. Undoubtedly, most came from France. But like Japan, which was mostly seeded by the Korean Peninsula with a little from S.E Asia, so too did GB receive most of its input from France, with a little coming from Iberia. The reason that the Iberian may have held fast in the imagination of the Irish, had to do with a romantic notion of coming over from a further, more exotic land.

This was destroyed with the bell breakers, who genocided the farmers nearly completely, killing off 90% of them and keeping only a few of them as wives. But, the Bell Breakers did add another connection, which was cultural. They arrived in the Iberian peninsula. For whatever reason, either they wouldn't or they couldn't replace us completely, but they gifted us their language, traditions, beliefs, etc. The Iberians became Celtified. This is why there are similarities in culture between parts of the "Celtic fringe" and North Spain and North Portugal to this day.

Once in a while, you will see an Iberian who "passes" in GB. Why? Because bell breaker.
Once in a while, you will see a British person who "passes" in Iberia. Why? Because farmer.

It's not complicated, people.

Is that a gun in your mouth or are you happy to see me.

[Profileid]

Im literally english and all of my family is english apart from the jew and then something else back

Shes not more english than me

post a gedmatch oracle.

[Morena]

Is that a gun in your mouth or are you happy to see me.

haha XD

[Dick]

post a gedmatch oracle.

tits or gtfo


Probert OWNED


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhOF_6mQ64

In his defense Morissette was a roid monkey.

SHUT YER GOD DAM MOUTH, GRIMES

[Marmara]

Not sure actually. I don't look atlantid though

What is your pigmentation?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

That was not the only thing you stated:



I have highlighted the lies and insults. Do you have any questions? And cheers for the thumbs down and negative rep.

I can't recall many Iberians making threads asking whether an Iberian posted can pass in Ireland or UK. Why she brings up BarcelonaAtantis who if he isn't Mn1 is at least bat-shit crazy and HATES any Iberian who isn't Basque or Catalan is beyond me.

It's ironic that some guy who hates other Iberians and claims Basques and Catalans are the original British and Greeks (oh, and the original people of Atlantis) is considered some sort of British washing Iberian when he's only speaking of Basques. The guy is either a humorous troll with lots of time on his hands (writes the longest posts) or mentally ill.

Apparently in these heart to heart conversations over the phone he never told her he's only talking about Basques being the original British. I can't see how something so central to his madness was so easily over looked.

[♥ Lily ♥]

That was not the only thing you stated:


I have highlighted the lies and insults. Do you have any questions? And cheers for the thumbs down and negative rep.

Everything is accurate according to my memory. I'm not the only one who's noticed the Atlantic Facade threads, etc.

One time I was sent a link to another forum site called 'Italic Roots' to read a page there, and as I skimmed through the pages, I noticed they were also finding it ridiculous that Iberian posters were trying to relate themselves to British and Irish people.

If you want to address real lies and blatant insults, then address this:


which Iberian members claim that shit of connection?

It's you who are obsessed trying to make connections with Scandinavians. So don't project your shit on us.

It's you who opens threads in Spain section.


This isn't insulting?!


What ? Another retarded American who is innumerate ! How are two British samples supposed to represent all Demographics from the British isles ? For instance, the Welsh and Cornish etc.. would probably have the strongest 'Iberian' connection but it might showup as more French e.g. Brittony, instead of Spanish, due to Iron Age Celtic admixture etc.. One can still score high for various parts of Britain and Scandinavia etc.. while still scoring high for NorthWest quadrants of France on K36.

I think when people say that there is an Iberian connection what they are really saying is the only racial difference between Germany and Britain is Neolithic-Mesolithic Atlanto-Meditterenean (usually mixed with Nordic e.g. North-Atlantid) vs Alpine (usually mixed with nordic e.g. sub-nordic).

Doesn't matter for you, though, fat retard uneducated American walmart girl : the working class, such as you, has no country ! Join the international Trotskyite Socialists today !

It's ironic that the people who accuse me of being a 'snob' for saying that British people are not Iberians, are the same posters who slander and even snootily look-down on the very proud and hard working-classes. (Without the hard-working classes who they scorn and look down upon, society couldn't function.) They very ignorantly assume that working-class people are 'football hooligans', and arrogantly assume that hard working people are in the unemployed underclass or ignorantly assume that hard working-class people or are in the abusive, bad-mannered, drunken and racist chav section of society.

We have 7 classes in the UK society actually.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12037247/the-seven-social-classes-of-21st-century-britain-where-do-you-fit-in.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

Most working-class people are decent folk. At least we have a working class in the UK. :)


It’s sad seeing a mod like you participating in a troll thread just because cristiano viejo hurt your feelings. The Atlantic facade thing was a popular topic on this site couple of years ago but it’s been disproven scientifically. When have actual spanish users claimed any sort of kinship with British people? When have REAL spanish users said they have any sort of ancestral links with Normans, Vikings, Anglo Saxons? Your ignorance truly knows no bounds and yet you still have the audacity to to keep posting your nonsense. Real Iberians give zero fucks about brits and we are proud of our own heritage. Learn how to discern between the sock accounts/trolls and native users.

Yes, CV insulted me over my son a month or so ago, and CV is a snob who looks down on my son's Saint Lucian father, but what is written about me (above) is an inaccurate lie - because I'm certainly not here due to CV - but because I'm fed-up of the association between Iberians and British and Irish people. There is nothing 'snooty' in that. I've made nice tribute videos to the Basques in the past, I've taken interest in Portuguese music and posted nice things about them. I just don't like British and Irish people being falsely labelled as 'Iberian.'

As for airs and graces and snooty attitudes.... this time snootily looking-down on 'American rednecks' and sneering condescendingly at poorer American people who may be living in unfortunate circumstances or struggling in life or be on a budget and criticising them over where they shop:


An old post from 4 years back. I don't give a shit about being close to Brits.

Iberians are feed up of the stupid airs of superiority of some Brits, and stupid rednecks like you.

You opened this thread waiting for angry Iberian responses, arguing about being related to Brits, but there you go. They don't give a fuck.

You lose, Walmart girl :rolleyes:


I regret of biting the bait this time and attacking with generical bad stereotypes to english people only because this conceited and snobbish poster lyly. :p

In fact there are great and quality english posters here like Neon Knight, Graham and many others.



BarcelonaAtlantis is a mexican sock and this thread was started by a brazilian.

Did you bother to check his IP instead of just falsely accusing him of being a 'Mexican sock'? :icon_ask:

That's all fine with you, but to say that we're not related to Iberians is somehow 'snooty' and an 'insult'... :icon_ask:... and to point-out that posters like BarcelonaAtlantis (an Iberian poster) claims the British and Irish people are 'Basques'... is 'a lie'. Hmm.

[Carlito's Way]

Im literally english and all of my family is english apart from the jew and then something else back

Shes not more english than me

shes more english than you, english have no sandnigga ancestry, nigga
be proud of being mix instead of acting like you 100% english, like i said, english dont have jewish roots

[alnortedelsur]

Of course you are doing it for them. You feel you belong to their group but you would be seen as a foreigner. I'm 100% Spanish and I'm seen differently by people in Spain (and understandably so as I was raised in a different country) and so I can imagine how you'd be seen.

I don't give orders. What I do is make rational suggestions.

This is not about me feeling as part of their group, or they accepting me or not (I am very aware that I am not the same as them), and I don't give a fuck if they "accept" me or not. I just feel insulted when some people talk shit about my main background, just like the American user of Chinese origin Zaohum (to put an example) would feel insulted if some people talk shit about China, no matter if Chinese from China see him as the same as them or not.

You don't fucking know anything about me and my life, nor have been on my shoes, and still you make value judgments about what I should have to identify with and what not. Why should I only feel Venezuelan, being the case that I left that country several years back? I lived in Spain and became citizen, and now I live in here, and I also start feeling as being part of this country (USA). It would be ridiculous that at this point of my life (several years disconnected from my native country, to where I haven gone even to visit), I should only feel Venezuelan, apart that it would be ungrateful from my part towards the two countries that opened their arms to me.

But apart from it, is very easy to set up as examples Iberian descent people born and raised in US (like you) who only feel US American, or Italian/Iberian descent people born in Brazil or Argentina, only identifying with the countries were they were born, and telling me that I should do the same as them, when their case is not the same as mine.

First of all, unlike them, who have lived their entire life in their native countries, I have spent almost half of my life out of my native country.

And secondly, it is very easy to fully identify with your native country when your country is majority filled with Euro descent people sharing the same or similar values as you, whereas I come from a country that was turned into a shit hole by the most triracial mixed Venezuelans, and me and the minority of full/mostly Euro Venezuelans are not part of that shit that they did. Is a country with no racial cohesion, unlike the countries mentioned above.

No saying that I don't feel Venezuelan, but I obviously, due to my racial consciousness, won't feel the same strong identification with my native country as a white Brazilian, Argentinian or US American will do with theirs.

White North Americans with racial consciousness will feel very little to no connection to African Americans, Asian Americans and US Americans of Latin origin. You don't know what is to be minority in your own country, so you cannot judge me for giving some more importance to my background than to my nationality.


Since you place some recent Spanish ancestry higher than your Venezuelan origins then it's clearly I who hold the higher position considering I'm 100% ethnically Spanish. So me telling you to "go fuck yourself" carries more weight than you telling me to go fuck myself. You've inadvertently placed me in a higher position in relation to yourself.

I also identify with my Venezuelan origins to some extent. I many times have made comments and opened threads on behalf of Venezuela in the Latin American section.

If we go by you being full Iberian and not me, I have lived in Spain and I am Spanish citizen, and you're not. And I am from a Latin American ex-Spanish colony with much heavier Spanish influence on its culture than yours. So, what's your point?

And your "go and fuck yourself" has no more weight than mine, because I am just defending my right to feel identified with my main background, and you're criticizing me for it, and dictating me what I should feel as being part of, and what not, without knowing nothing about me and my circumstances.

[Tong]

shes more english than you, english have no sandnigga ancestry, nigga
be proud of being mix instead of acting like you 100% english, like i said, english dont have jewish roots

nah fam she doesnt even represent anything, she isnt showing 23andme because it gets nothing like mine lol
im not bothered about being mixed bro, i just dont want this woman representing the country every1 of my family except 3 ppl were from

[Profileid]

nah fam she doesnt even represent anything, she isnt showing 23andme because it gets nothing like mine lol
im not bothered about being mixed bro, i just dont want this woman representing the country every1 of my family except 3 ppl were from

:confused:
Where did I claim to represent Brits you dumb fuck.

[Thot Whisperer]

Everything is accurate according to my memory. I'm not the only one who's noticed the Atlantic Facade threads, etc.

One time I was sent a link to another forum site called 'Italic Roots' to read a page there, and as I skimmed through the pages, I noticed they were also finding it ridiculous that Iberian posters were trying to relate themselves to British and Irish people.

If you want to address real lies and blatant insults, then address this:



This isn't insulting?!



It's ironic that people accuse me of being a 'snob' for saying that British people are not Iberians, yet some posters slander the proud and hard working-classes and think they're 'football hooligans' and in the unemployed underclass or racist chav section of society.



As for airs and graces and snooty attitudes.... this time snootily looking down on 'American rednecks' and snootily looking down on American people who may be living on a budget or who may shop at Walmart:








Did you bother to check his IP instead of just falsely accusing him of being a 'Mexican sock'? :icon_ask:

That's all fine with you, but to say that we're not related to Iberians is somehow 'snooty' and an 'insult'... pff... and to point-out that posters like BarcelonaAtlantis (an Iberian poster) claims the British and Irish people are 'Basques' is 'a lie'. Hmm.

For the record I don’t condone the comments that was made about your mixed race son. It was disgusting and very out of line to target someone’s child. But it doesn’t give you the right to go off on Iberians(you’ve done this a few times) and spread lies about us. If your problem is with cristiano then that’s between yous but don’t drag and trash an entire group of people.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Everything is accurate according to my memory. I'm not the only one who's noticed the Atlantic Facade threads, etc.

One time I was sent a link to another forum site called 'Italic Roots' to read a page there, and as I skimmed through the pages, I noticed they were also finding it ridiculous that Iberian posters were trying to relate themselves to British and Irish people.

You mean the forum created simply because they were upset with Iberian posters for losing the "Apricity Wog War" when their dozens of sock puppets were killed in battle? I've been to that forum. It's 70% Iberian bashing and hysterics over Sikeliot. It's a forum about Italian culture that is mostly spent talking about a guy, Apricity, and Iberians.


If you want to address real lies and blatant insults, then address this:

I think I make a strong case with the fact BarcelonaAtlantis isn't particularly keen on Iberians that aren't Basques or Catalans. You speak as if he's the leader of some British-washing Iberian crusade.


That's all fine with you, but to say that we're not related to Iberians is somehow 'snooty' and an 'insult'... pff... and to point-out that posters like BarcelonaAtlantis (an Iberian poster) claims the British and Irish people are 'Basques' is 'a lie'. Hmm.

So now it's Basque and not Iberians in general... So now all Iberians on the forum have to be taken to task for a troll or insane person who hates other Iberians and thinks Basques... not other Iberians... are the original British and Irish...

It's not your memory but your logic that is flawed and why the fuck are you talking to someone who is clearly not sane over the phone?

[Damião de Góis]

Everything is accurate according to my memory.

Then there's no point in continuing discussing. You may keep believing iberian posters are ashamed of their heritage, would like to be british instead, and don't leave the british posters alone among other things you stated.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

This is not about me feeling as part of their group, or they accepting me or not (I am very aware that I am not the same as them), and I don't give a fuck if they "accept" me or not. I just feel insulted when some people talk shit about my main background, just like the American user of Chinese origin Zaohum (to put an example) would feel insulted if some people talk shit about China, no matter if Chinese from China see him as the same as them or not.

You don't fucking know anything about me and my life, and still you make value judgments about what I would have to identify with. Why should I only feel Venezuelan, being the case that I left that country several years back? I lived in Spain and became citizen, and now I live in here, and I also start feeling as being part of this country (USA). It would be ridiculous that at this point of my life (several years disconnected from my native country, to where I haven gone even to visit), I should only feel Venezuelan, apart that it would be ungrateful from my part towards the two countries that opened their arms to me.

But apart from it, is very easy to set as examples Iberian descent people born and raised in US (like you) who only feel US American, or Italian/Iberian descent people born in Brazil or Argentina, only identifying with the countries were they were born, and telling me that I should do the same as them, when their case is not the same as mine.

First of all, unlike them, who have only lived their entire life in their native countries, I have spent like half of my life out of my native country.

And secondly, it is very easy to fully identify with your native country when your country is majority filled with Euro descent people sharing the same or similar values as you, whereas I come from a country that was turned into a shit hole by the most triracial mixed Venezuelans, and me and the minority of full/mostly Euro Venezuelans are not part of that shit that those resentful triracials did with that country. Is a country with no racial cohesion as the countries mentioned above.

No saying that I don't feel Venezuelan, but I obviously, due to my racial consciousness, won't feel the same strong identification with my native country as a white Brazilian, Argentinian or US American will do with theirs. They don't deal with the same circumstances as being minority in their own country as in my case.

White North Americans with racial consciousness will feel very little to none identification with African Americans, Asian Americans and US Americans of Latin origin. You don't know what is to be minority in your own country, so you cannot judge me for giving so much importance to my background.



I also identify with my Venezuelan origins to some extent, as it can be corroborated with countless of interventions that I have made on behalf of Venezuela in the Latin American section.

If we go by you being full Iberian and not me, I have lived in Spain and I am Spanish citizen, and you're not. And I am from a Latin American ex-Spanish colony with much heavier Spanish influence on its culture than yours. So, what's your point?

Your "go and fuck yourself" has no more weight than mine, because I am just defending my fucking right to feel identified with my main background, and you're criticizing me for it, and dictating me what I should feel as being part of, without knowing nothing about me and my circumstances.

That's too long to read but I suspect it has a self respect angle.

[Heather Duval]

You guys are wrtting too much. This is just a forum, there are a life out there.

[Thot Whisperer]

Off topic but it looks khabib and mcgregor fight will actually happen this fall. My money is on the Dagestani to rag doll the Irish boy.

[alnortedelsur]

:confused: Heck no.

I've never seen British or Irish people claiming to be associated to Iberians, yet I've often seen Iberians asking 'does this man pass in Great Britain and Ireland', etc. Grace is proud of her Irish ancestry, for example.

Iberians are overly obsessed with us (especially BarcelonaAtlantis) and it's annoying and insulting to us, because we're proud of our own unique Anglo-Saxon and Celtic identity and we have no connection to Iberians. Spain is not part of the Anglosphere.

What is that 'Atlantic Facade' nonsense? :confused:

We have no connection to Iberians. The Spanish are not Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Celts, etc. They're not Northern Europeans. Spain has a different history of ancestral settlers and a different climate.

The average Spanish person would pass more easily in Portugal or in other southern European nations than in the UK and Ireland.

I wish they'd just leave us alone and accept their own identity and ancestry, instead of trying to associate themselves with us with cherry-selected images of individual people, because it's pathetic and lame. Also they try to darkwash Welsh people and Cornish people, and are clueless about reality.

Do these crowds of southern English people look Spanish?

This is another good example of a Brit with ludicrous airs of superiority.

I don't understand how you can be a moderator.

[Tong]

:confused:
Where did I claim to represent Brits you dumb fuck.

you literally did 10 times in this thread, excluding using ''we''

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Off topic but it looks khabib and mcgregor fight will actually happen this fall. My money is on the Dagestani to rag doll the Irish boy.

Holy fuck.

Khabib should win this fight. McGregor was only tested once with a wrestler (and on purpose by the UFC and so hence why they never gave Frankie Edgar the fight he should have had but instead was replaced by Mendes on two weeks notice over Edgar, which was total bullshit. Mendes has cardio issues. Edgar does not. That being said Mendes was able to take him down with wrestling without much issue when he wasn't gassed out).

That being said McGregor has a killer left punch and is able to close the distance quicker than anyone to land a punch. McGregor has so many disadvantages against Khabib but if Khabib tries to do what he did in the Iaquinta fight an stand with McGregor when he's far ahead on the judges score car he's going to pay dearly for it.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Then there's no point in continuing discussing. You may keep believing iberian posters are ashamed of their heritage, would like to be british instead, and don't leave the british posters alone among other things you stated.

So you're not going to address the other statements, yet only single me out for apparent 'insults'? And you're not going to check BA's IP but continue to call him a Mexican sock?

No problem. :)

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Holy fuck.

Khabib should win this fight. McGregor was only tested once with a wrestler (and on purpose by the UFC and so hence why they never gave Frankie Edgar the fight he should have had but instead was replaced by Mendes on two weeks notice over Edgar, which was total bullshit. Mendes has cardio issues. Edgar does not. That being said Mendes was able to take him down with wrestling without much issue when he wasn't gassed out).

That being said McGregor has a killer left punch and is able to close the distance quicker than anyone to land a punch. McGregor has so many disadvantages against Khabib but if Khabib tries to do what he did in the Iaquinta fight an stand with McGregor when he's far ahead on the judges score car he's going to pay dearly for it.

btw, I think Ferguson could beat Khabib. He's far more of a complete fighter than Khabib and he's got a crazy good submission game. He can submit someone in any position. He submitted Lee and Lee is no joke (he's cringe with his talk but no joke).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gX0sNZAE8w

[♥ Lily ♥]

This is another good example of a Brit with ludicrous superiority pretenses.

I don't understand how you can be a moderator.

You are so rude and condescending.

The snooty, derogatory and superiority pretenses are from yourself! Look at your own condescending and insulting posts. :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248783-There-is-NO-British-Iberian-connection&p=5221549#post5221549

At least I check peoples IP's before falsely accusing them of being a 'Mexican sock'. How would you like it if a mod accused you of being a 'Mexican sock' without even bothering to check?! :icon_ask:

You rudely called Profileid a 'Walmart Girl' and a 'stupid American redneck', and you arrogantly mocked poor people who 'shop at Walmart'... so this song is for you. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRYokc3VBC4

[Jägerstaffel]

The only way to settle this argument is a ritualized tantric sex tournament.

To the death.

[alnortedelsur]

You are so rude and condescending.

The snooty, derogatory and superiority pretenses are from yourself! Look at your own condescending and insulting posts. :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248783-There-is-NO-British-Iberian-connection&p=5221549#post5221549

At least I check peoples IP's before falsely accusing them of being a 'Mexican sock'. How would you like it if a mod accused you of being a 'Mexican sock' without even bothering to check?! :)

Did you read your own post, full of arrogance? (your first post on this thread).

Iberians don't care about being close to your people, or to Irish (with all my respects to Grace O'Maley to who I consider a very nice person).

No, thank you.

[Thot Whisperer]

Holy fuck.

Khabib should win this fight. McGregor was only tested once with a wrestler (and on purpose by the UFC and so hence why they never gave Frankie Edgar the fight he should have had but instead was replaced by Mendes on two weeks notice over Edgar, which was total bullshit. Mendes has cardio issues. Edgar does not. That being said Mendes was able to take him down with wrestling without much issue when he wasn't gassed out).

That being said McGregor has a killer left punch and is able to close the distance quicker than anyone to land a punch. McGregor has so many disadvantages against Khabib but if Khabib tries to do what he did in the Iaquinta fight an stand with McGregor when he's far ahead on the judges score car he's going to pay dearly for it.

Khabib walks around 190 lbs while mcgregors a natural 170 guy, that makes a huge difference for who fighter who relies heavily on the ground game. There’s no way khabibs gonna stand with mcgregor it’s just way to risky. I can see khabib closing the distance quickly and giving him a hellish ground and pound with a little bit of taunting in the first couple of rounds. But yea if I were Conor I’d fight Nate first.

[Mingle]

Italian Americans dont care about Italy/Italians.

Many do actually, they're not as ignorant as people think.

[Thot Whisperer]

btw, I think Ferguson could beat Khabib. He's far more of a complete fighter than Khabib and he's got a crazy good submission game. He can submit someone in any position. He submitted Lee and Lee is no joke (he's cringe with his talk but no joke).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gX0sNZAE8w

Can’t believe I’m saying this but I was happy when tony pulled out of the fight. There’s no way in hell contenders(before we knew Conor would be stripped) should be eliminating each other. That’s one of the reasons I think Conor took a long hiatus.

[alnortedelsur]

You are so rude and condescending.

The snooty, derogatory and superiority pretenses are from yourself! Look at your own condescending and insulting posts. :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248783-There-is-NO-British-Iberian-connection&p=5221549#post5221549

At least I check peoples IP's before falsely accusing them of being a 'Mexican sock'. How would you like it if a mod accused you of being a 'Mexican sock' without even bothering to check?! :)

You rudely called Profileid a 'Walmart Girl' and a 'stupid American redneck', and you arrogantly mocked poor people who 'shop at Walmart'... so this song is for you. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRYokc3VBC4

Insulting back to whoever insults your people (or your background, as in my case) is not arrogance.

I never open threads, or comments to mock other ethnic groups as Profield does with this trolling thread where she portray Iberians as inferior wannabe Brits, and call them monkeys and iberbers, among other pejorative terms, nor I post comments about how beautiful is my people and how this X ethnic group wants so bad to be related to "my beautiful" people.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Khabib walks around 190 lbs while mcgregors a natural 170 guy, that makes a huge difference for who fighter who relies heavily on the ground game. There’s no way khabibs gonna stand with mcgregor it’s just way to risky. I can see khabib closing the distance quickly and giving him a hellish ground and pound with a little bit of taunting in the first couple of rounds. But yea if I were Conor I’d fight Nate first.

Arrogance has slayed many a man (and woman). That Khabib was willing to risk his life work to fight stand up against Iaquinta (who knocks guys out) tells me he's foolish enough to do it if he's ahead with McGregor to show everyone he can stand in there with him.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Iberians don't care about being close to your people, or to Irish.

No, thank you.

I don't like the way you and your gang attacked and insulted Profileid like a pack of sharks, so I don't care to be close to your bitchy type... no thanks. :)

I don't know if she shops at Walmart... or whether you just judge people without knowing them... but even if she does shop there, I wouldn't think any less of her for that.

The snob is yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S37NiXl8eJo

[Thot Whisperer]

I don't like the way you and your gang attacked and insulted Profileid like a pack of sharks, so I don't care to be close to your bitchy type... no thanks. :)

I don't know if she shops at Walmart... or whether you just judge people without knowing them... but even if she does shop there, I wouldn't think any less of her for that.

The snob is yourself.
A gang? More like a PACK OF LATIN WOLVES, jk jk. Anyways Profileid made this thread with the intentions of trolling and it backfired on her.

[Yreka]

You are so rude and condescending.

The snooty, derogatory and superiority pretenses are from yourself! Look at your own condescending and insulting posts. :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248783-There-is-NO-British-Iberian-connection&p=5221549#post5221549

At least I check peoples IP's before falsely accusing them of being a 'Mexican sock'. How would you like it if a mod accused you of being a 'Mexican sock' without even bothering to check?! :icon_ask:

You rudely called Profileid a 'Walmart Girl' and a 'stupid American redneck', and you arrogantly mocked poor people who 'shop at Walmart'... so this song is for you. :)



Al Norte del Sewer is one of the most useless third world midgets to disgrace this website. You should drop the banhammer on this Mediterranishit.

He will not be missed.

[Thot Whisperer]

Arrogance has slayed many a man (and woman). That Khabib was willing to risk his life work to fight stand up against Iaquinta (who knocks guys out) tells me he's foolish enough to do it if he's ahead with McGregor to show everyone he can stand in there with him.

Khabib only stood with Al because he knew he wasn’t on the same level as an elite contender not implying his a bum of a fighter. It’s just he’s somewhat inactive compared to the other guys.

[alnortedelsur]

I don't like the way you and your gang attacked and insulted Profileid like a pack of sharks, so I don't care to be close to your bitchy type... no thanks. :)

I don't know if she shops at Walmart, or whether you just judge people without knowing them... but even if she does shop there, I don't think any less of her for that.

The snob is yourself.

My intention is not mocking those who shop in Walmart. I shop in Walmart too, and I am not rich, and I know many good people who shop at Walmart. My intention was to insult her back, and those Americans, English or whatever, who feel superior than those who don't have their same background.

And we attacked Profield like a pack of sharks? please.. Who first came up with this thread calling Iberians wannabes, and then monkeys and Iberbers. Don't expect that Iberians and me (I don't want to offend Austrigon and others, calling myself Iberian) respond her with flowers.

And please... don't talk about judging people without knowing them, because you are the first one who assume that Iberians are desperate to be close to your people, as if they were inferior to your people, or something.

You're the snob here.

[Antimage]

how about unban....R1ethel and Stears? :rolleyes:

Grab the Gauge>both of them

[Antimage]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69713-The-Atlantic-Facade-Populations


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?90233-Why-Western-Europe-and-the-Atlantic-facade-is-more-Alpha-than-the-rest

5 years old threads by users who have been inactive for years. LMAO.
We don't.

Foreigners seem to believe that Britain can be divided into an oppressed lower class of Anglicised Celts, a middle class of Anglo-Saxons and an elite of Normans.

You couldn't even claim that as totally truthful in 1066 ffs
I remember Tooting Carmen (an actual Welsh from Wales) claimed high class english are blonder and more nordic(because they have more admixture from saxons), while Atlantid is a low class phenotype.


any mod can check his IP and see that's he's from the Basque Country.


Has IP from Basque country? Doesn't mean anything. Using a VPN, I can have IP from Netherlands or UK. He's sock of the mexican valen martin.

And lol@ you considering Sikeliot iberian, he's an American with multiple ancestries. Btw Sikeliot had a sock to troll italians("lyllo") and he had IP from Hong Kong because he used VPN. I harassed and kept calling out him on sock accounting till it started to be too embarassing for him and banned his lyllo acc from his main account.
What's next? Zhaoyun is iberian too?

[punkybrewster]

Sorry, but her original post was stupid (using two people to statistically represent all people of Great Britain) in that she is obviously not mathematically literate which is not helping the stereotype that women suck at math. More seriously, though, Americans in general, men or women, suck at math hence that is why books like John Allen Paulos' "Innumeracy : Mathematical Illiteracy and It's Consequences", exist.

Very true. I've noticed the Eastern Europeans here are very sharp in math, although they are still mediocre in the tech industry, never rising past middle level management like the Asians.

Indians are a different story, they rise up through the ranks to high managerial positions and CEO.

[punkybrewster]

5 years old threads by users who have been inactive for years. LMAO.
I remember Tooting Carmen (an actual Welsh from Wales) claimed high class english are blonder and more nordic(because they have more admixture from saxons), while Atlantid is a low class phenotype.


Has IP from Basque country? Doesn't mean anything. Using a VPN, I can have IP from Netherlands or UK. He's sock of the mexican valen martin.

And lol@ you considering Sikeliot iberian, he's an American with multiple ancestries. Btw Sikeliot had a sock to troll italians("lyllo") and he had IP from Hong Kong because he used VPN. I harassed and kept calling out him on sock accounting till it started to be too embarassing for him and banned his lyllo acc from his main account.
What's next? Zhaoyun is iberian too?

I doubt Valen knows what a VPN is or how to use one.

When I used to use one, my IP would be 6000 miles away from my actual residence.

[Tietar]

Are the people the I posted 'high class' to you? Some of them look in the middle-classes, but I think most look like comprehensive school uniforms.

Forget that, I just wanted to remind you of the stupid comparison of photos you've made, blond children in suits posing vs a protest photo

http://culture-of-the-basques.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/1/8/16187286/122863_orig.jpeg

I am not interested in the English looks, I only say that if you make comparisons, that you should do them balanced, without degrading others to get better favored, and select the same type of photo when you post Spanish. People are not stupid and see the difference, you do not need to make a shit of comparation and cherrypicked images.

https://cnjudizmendi.com/cnj15/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/25902143287_852a9e297f_k.jpg

[Catarinense1998]

if you haven't noted, profiled upthumbed you because you said that a light spaniard looked british :p

you are given reasons for free to them to saying what they're saying about iberians, and they don't mind if you're not a real iberian.

But anyway, you can claim whatever you want american gorda ;) but still you haven't show a real iberian saying that some random spaniard looks british or whatever.

We can love/hate latin americans, depending on the person, but definitely we cannot be responsible for what they say about us or about anything.

"We can love/hate latin americans, depending on the person, but definitely we cannot be responsible for what they say about us or about anything." - I never did anything under your flags.

"But anyway, you can claim whatever you want american gorda but still you haven't show a real iberian saying that some random spaniard looks british or whatever." - I agree 100% with you.I never see an iberian taliking about this.People in TA accuse CV "whitewash" iberians, as if in Iberia not exist pale skin or fair white people.

I never had posted anything wanting to make iberians look like british; nor I had open threads about this.I just opened a thread to see if a iberian could pass in British isles, but without bad intencions: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241076-Can-this-Basque-(Yeray-Alvarez)-pass-in-British-Isles

[Cristiano viejo]

Sikeliot an Iberian member... hahaha... these English are as retarded as they seem when they come to Spain :icon_lol:

British party girl gives oral sex to 24 men in Magaluf… for a £2 bottle of cava
https://metro.co.uk/2014/07/03/british-party-girl-gives-oral-sex-to-24-men-in-magaluf-for-a-2-bottle-of-cava-4785959/

[Antimage]

I doubt Valen knows what a VPN is or how to use one.

When I used to use one, my IP would be 6000 miles away from my actual residence.
The way they circlejerked each other was suspicious to say the least. Whenever Valen appeared and posted something, BarcelonaAtlantis also appeared instantly "out of the blue" and thumbed up Valen's posts etc.
A spanish admin(Labaru iirc) some years ago confirmed they had the same IP, he problably started to use VPN after that.

[B01AB20]

"We can love/hate latin americans, depending on the person, but definitely we cannot be responsible for what they say about us or about anything." - I never did anything under your flags.

"But anyway, you can claim whatever you want american gorda but still you haven't show a real iberian saying that some random spaniard looks british or whatever." - I agree 100% with you.I never see an iberian taliking about this.People in TA accuse CV "whitewash" iberians, as if in Iberia not exist pale skin or fair white people.

I never had posted anything wanting to make iberians look like british; nor I had open threads about this.I just opened a thread to see if a iberian could pass in British isles, but without bad intencions: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241076-Can-this-Basque-(Yeray-Alvarez)-pass-in-British-Isles

The ones who have bad intentions are people willing to troll iberians no matter how, they say lies and use statements or threads made by latin americans as if they were iberians as you have seen. And nobody is part of a flock here (although sometime we behave like that :( ), we're all individuial posters and it's quite idiotic to make a entire group or nation responsible for one person's statements in a post.


We have a strong connection with latin americans, but it's not correct to use your visions and opinions as if they were ours, and viceversa of course.
I'm not blaming you, I'm blaming the tortious and unfair methods of the usual iberian haters here to troll the easy-going and peaceful iberians.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

It is actually been proven that there is a distinct separation between the English upper class and working class. The people involved with the study made the conclusion based on types of surnames. I'll post the study later. Also, on Ireland people with Norman and old English surnames from those English Catholics that didn't convert dominate right wing politics while those with Irish surnames dominate left leaning political parties.

[Loki]

This is always pushed by Iberians and it's bullshit.
Here's k36 similarity maps of two British people. Notice how there's more similarity with Eastern Europe and even Russia than Iberia despite being a lot closer geographically.


It depends where the samples were taken. These two were likely from Eastern half of England, with less "Iberian connection". But if you would take a sample from Western Ireland, or Wales, you'd see more of a correlation with Iberia.

[Jana]

British Isles people share more real ancestry with Iberians (the Celts) than with Eastern Europeans, but they are much closer to other northern Europeans (from west to east) than to southern,
because of ancient Indo-European ancestry and low neolithic admixture. Clustering doesn't equal ancestry, Sicilians and Jews cluster togheder because of similar ratio of north-south components, not same origin.

I will give example- Half British, half Jewish person will share more real ancestry with other Brits, than fully Polish person, but Pole will cluster much closer to average Brits on PCA than the guy who is actually half British, because his other mix is very different genetically.

Bell Beakers replaced majority of pre-IE British population, they also migrated to Iberia but replacement level was significantly lesser.

[Heather Duval]

It is actually been proven that there is a distinct separation between the English upper class and working class. The people involved with the study made the conclusion based on types of surnames. I'll post the study later. Also, on Ireland people with Norman and old English surnames from those English Catholics that didn't convert dominate right wing politics while those with Irish surnames dominate left leaning political parties.

Not on phenotypes/race but accent.

[Heather Duval]

That user told Lily posted upper class British to say they are lighter than poor Spaniards. If there are a separation based on race, what social group youd put Emma Bunton? Because her parents were poor. I dont see nothing med about her
https://images.tmz.com/2017/07/12/0712-emma-bunton-baby-spice-now-photos-launch-3.jpg

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Not on phenotypes/race but accent.

Old school phenotype arguments are stupid but the fact you have certain types surnames far more common in one class than another is meaningful.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Double post

[Friends of Oliver Society]

That user told Lily posted upper class British to say they are lighter than poor Spaniards. If there are a separation based on race, what social group youd put Emma Bunton? Because her parents were poor. I dont see nothing med about her
https://images.tmz.com/2017/07/12/0712-emma-bunton-baby-spice-now-photos-launch-3.jpg

No offence but her face screams low class. Regardless of society upper class people have what I call 'narrow features.' I've noticed this from dealing with all types of people.

[Heather Duval]

Phenotype arguments are stupid but the fact you have certain types surnames far more common in one class than another is meaningful.

Even in Brazil. " Da Silva, Pereira, Santos, Oliveira etc" are low class surnames here for being typical and found in every mongrel. In my school I remember we had more than 5 folks named Da Silva.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/108A2/production/_98964776_chart-sobrenomes_remuneracao-9ps7u-nc.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6C62/production/_98964772_chart-sobrenomes4_brasil-znigd-nc.jpg

Source:

https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-41987454

You can see Da Silva etc being called low class surnames in that link above with the full article

[Jana]

In Britain high class does look visibly different than working classes.

First of all they are taller and much longer faced. More nordic wouldn't be a stretch, it's true.

You will hardly find Wayne Rooney types among aristocracy (he has Irish ancestry, but whatever)

It's ugly to say this, but Britain is almost caste society. You can guess on person's face which social class they belong to in majority of cases.

[Heather Duval]

Albuquerque, Bittencourt etc are atypical surnames that folks founds chic and many rich people have here.

[Heather Duval]

No offence but her face screams low class. Regardless of society upper class people what I call 'narrow features.' I've noticed this from dealing with all types of people.

She looks typical British
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2016/03/18/emmabunton_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqQv8PhuGzYBWYEozZmXWUM CIZnB-XPHrmbTHX3sxgug0.jpg?imwidth=450

[Jana]

Norman surnames are fancy in Britain.

[Heather Duval]

Norman surnames are fancy in Britain.

This surname thing says your social class, it's true. In Brazil, even in novelas the poor cast has surname Da Silva, Santos, Pereira ... and in the rich cast they have surnames like Alburquerque, Bittencourt etc

"Porque todo pobre tem sobrenome de santos, silva, fonseca, cordeiro? "
https://br.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160324133857AAc1JsZ

[Friends of Oliver Society]

No offence but her face screams low class. Regardless of society upper class people have what I call 'narrow features.' I've noticed this from dealing with all types of people.

They (upper class) lean heavily towards being ectomorphs from my observation.

[Loki]

That user told Lily posted upper class British to say they are lighter than poor Spaniards.

It's a myth that only upper-class Brits can be light. I don't even know if upper-class is more light than average than other classes.

[Heather Duval]

And the poors in Brazil always have names of saints. Maria da Silva.

I remember that in this novela Nazaré Tedesco (villain) was always laughing at her enemy Maria do Carmo Pereira Da Silva for being northeastern and having a poor surname.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rgmxMgfB0

I also remember this one
Maria de Fátima telling her mother that she hates her name because it sounds low class

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaOOUFhT2I0

[Loki]

In Britain high class does look visibly different than working classes.

First of all they are taller and much longer faced. More nordic wouldn't be a stretch, it's true.

You will hardly find Wayne Rooney types among aristocracy (he has Irish ancestry, but whatever)

It's ugly to say this, but Britain is almost caste society. You can guess on person's face which social class they belong to in majority of cases.

This is essentially true, unfortunately.

[Black Panther]

Even in Brazil. " Da Silva, Pereira, Santos, Oliveira etc" are low class surnames here for being typical and found in every mongrel. In my school I remember we had more than 5 folks named Da Silva.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/108A2/production/_98964776_chart-sobrenomes_remuneracao-9ps7u-nc.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6C62/production/_98964772_chart-sobrenomes4_brasil-znigd-nc.jpg

Source:

https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-41987454

You can see Da Silva etc being called low class surnames in that link above with the full article

12% of Brazilians have Da Silva as a surname. It's a very poor/working class surname. Also, People used to treat me better when hearing my surname, which is very Scandinavian. Classism and discrimination based on surnames go hand in hand in Brazil.

[Heather Duval]

12% of Brazilians have Da Silva as a surname. It's a very poor/working class surname. Also, People used to treat me better when hearing my surname, which is very Scandinavian. Classism and discrimination based on surnames go hand in hand in Brazil.

But he was just another Silva that the star does not shine on
He was a Funkeiro, but he was the father of a family
He is just another Silva that the star does not shine on
He was a Funkeiro, but he was the father of a family

He was a hard worker, he would use the crowded train
He had freiendly neighbors and was considered good guy by them
Others criticized him because he was a Funkeiro
Funk is not a motive, It's a necessity

It puts away the moans that exist in the city
Everybody should listen to this story
Because there are a lot of people that go to prom to dance
Forget the conflicts, let the fight far away
And understand the meaning when the DJ rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSVTh6R9QMQ

[Black Panther]

But he was just another Silva that the star does not shine on
He was a Funkeiro, but he was the father of a family
He is just another Silva that the star does not shine on
He was a Funkeiro, but he was the father of a family

He was a hard worker, he would use the crowded train
He had freiendly neighbors and was considered good guy by them
Others criticized him because he was a Funkeiro
Funk is not a motive, It's a necessity

It puts away the moans that exist in the city
Everybody should listen to this story
Because there are a lot of people that go to prom to dance
Forget the conflicts, let the fight far away
And understand the meaning when the DJ rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSVTh6R9QMQ

Essa música é muito emocionante.

[Grace O'Malley]

It depends where the samples were taken. These two were likely from Eastern half of England, with less "Iberian connection". But if you would take a sample from Western Ireland, or Wales, you'd see more of a correlation with Iberia.

Nope not true. Western Irish are actually more genetically distant which makes sense because they are further from the Continent. It is actually south east English that are closer to Iberia than the Insular Celts. You should know this Loki if you kept up with genetics. Insular Celts have a bit more Steppe genetics while the Southern English have a bit more Farmer or possibly Roman ancestry. There will be a paper coming out about it by Prof David Reich.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

Anyway here is my K36 map. I'm half western Irish.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2gw5e12.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Norman surnames are fancy in Britain.

They're not in Ireland. :) Names like Burke, Butler, Courtney, Roche, D'Arcy, Fitzgerald etc are all common Irish surnames.

[Morena]

Nope not true. Western Irish are actually more genetically distant which makes sense because they are further from the Continent. It is actually south east English that are closer to Iberia than the Insular Celts. You should know this Loki if you kept up with genetics. Insular Celts have a bit more Steppe genetics while the Southern English have a bit more Farmer or possibly Roman ancestry. There will be a paper coming out about it by Prof David Reich.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

Anyway here is my K36 map. I'm half western Irish.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2gw5e12.jpg

What did you think of my take on the Iberian/British connection?

[Grace O'Malley]

What did you think of my take on the Iberian/British connection?

That is a good post.:thumb001: The farmer connection is correct. In the Rathlin paper the Ballynahatty farmer woman in Ireland was most closely related to modern Iberians and Sardinians although she is most likely not that close as no one is exactly like her now. I think she also had some HG in her. The modern Scots, Irish and Welsh have more haplotype sharing with the 3 Bronze Age Rathlin genomes. As we know there was a population turnover in the Bronze Age in Ireland and Britain. There could have been genocide like you said but from what I've read the farmer population had declined greatly in those islands and there was a worsening climate and downturn in agriculture before the Bronze Age chaps arrived.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440313002987

[Oneeye]

That user told Lily posted upper class British to say they are lighter than poor Spaniards. If there are a separation based on race, what social group youd put Emma Bunton? Because her parents were poor. I dont see nothing med about her
https://images.tmz.com/2017/07/12/0712-emma-bunton-baby-spice-now-photos-launch-3.jpg

The Bellaire you going on about. She looks closer to "trailer trash" than aristocracy.

[Morena]

That is a good post.:thumb001: The farmer connection is correct. In the Rathlin paper the Ballynahatty farmer woman in Ireland was most closely related to modern Iberians and Sardinians although she is most likely not that close as no one is exactly like her now. I think she also had some HG in her. The modern Scots, Irish and Welsh have more haplotype sharing with the 3 Bronze Age Rathlin genomes. As we know there was a population turnover in the Bronze Age in Ireland and Britain. There could have been genocide like you said but from what I've read the farmer population had declined greatly in those islands and there was a worsening climate and downturn in agriculture before the Bronze Age chaps arrived.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440313002987

Oh, that makes sense. Having a declining population before the incursion of the Bell Breakers explains why there was such a dramatic population replacement compared to the Iberian peninsula. I like that idea better, personally. The vision of Bell Breakers coming and simply lopping off heads never set well with me.

What of the cultural connection? I think some of the angst about this comes from a similarity of certain cultural aspects. We may look different, but then we notice something that is alike? I know, personally, I always felt a stronger connection to the "celt" than the more traditional Spanish stuff (which is really southern Spanish). My father is the same way and all of his heritage is from Asturias (and one Catalan).

I think of it like various rivers. Some of the tributaries mixed with nearby rivers, but neither of them come from the same source.

[Alcuin52]

In Britain high class does look visibly different than working classes.

First of all they are taller and much longer faced. More nordic wouldn't be a stretch, it's true.

You will hardly find Wayne Rooney types among aristocracy (he has Irish ancestry, but whatever)

It's ugly to say this, but Britain is almost caste society. You can guess on person's face which social class they belong to in majority of cases

What? You will hardly find many Wayne Rooney types in Britain, never mind the aristocracy.

lol @ Britain being a caste society


Norman surnames are fancy in Britain

lmao no they aren't

Norman surnames are quite common throughout Britain. Some of them are less obviously of French origin, such as Levett, Curtis, Drury, Draper, Lovell, Dalton, Cruise, Corbett, etc.

Other names such as Neville, Francis, French, Quincy, Molyneux, Montgomery, Gascoigne, Percy, etc are more obvious in their Norman etymology but are found across all levels of British society.

Then there are obvious Anglo-Saxon names such as Cavendish and Churchill, which are well represented in the 'aristocracy'.

Very few peerages and titles in Britain date to the Norman period, most of them having originated between the 14th and 19th centuries, yet people delude themselves that Britain is a nation of Anglicised Celts ruled over by 'French' overlords.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, that makes sense. Having a declining population before the incursion of the Bell Breakers explains why there was such a dramatic population replacement compared to the Iberian peninsula. I like that idea better, personally. The vision of Bell Breakers coming and simply lopping off heads never set well with me.

What of the cultural connection? I think some of the angst about this comes from a similarity of certain cultural aspects. We may look different, but then we notice something that is alike? I know, personally, I always felt a stronger connection to the "celt" than the more traditional Spanish stuff (which is really southern Spanish). My father is the same way and all of his heritage is from Asturias (and one Catalan).

I think of it like various rivers. Some of the tributaries mixed with nearby rivers, but neither of them come from the same source.

A lot of Europe has the Celtic connection. I think Celts were in many areas of Europe and I know Spain is no exception. From what I understand the Celts emerged out of Bell Beakers. I'm hoping with more genetic studies that we will all find out more about who and what the Celts were. I'm very interested in the ancient dna studies that they are doing now. It is solving a lot of puzzles.

[Jana]

What? You will hardly find many Wayne Rooney types in Britain, never mind the aristocracy.

lol @ Britain being a caste society

Let me guess , you are mad because you are working class origin ?


yet people delude themselves that Britain is a nation of Anglicised Celts ruled over by 'French' overlords.

No, that is what you said, and nobody else. Don't put in other's people mouth what they never said.

Speaking about your language, working class origin is very likely.

[Morena]

A lot of Europe has the Celtic connection. I think Celts were in many areas of Europe and I know Spain is no exception. From what I understand the Celts emerged out of Bell Beakers. I'm hoping with more genetic studies that we will all find out more about who and what the Celts were. I'm very interested in the ancient dna studies that they are doing now. It is solving a lot of puzzles.

Yes, I know. I like it. The problem is that a few people deny that it is in Spain/Portugal at all. Conversely, they will say that it was in Spain but it disappeared. (not true, of course).

I'm curious about it too, which is why I come to forums like these. XD

[Alcuin52]

Let me guess , you are mad because you are working class origin ?



No, that is what you said, and nobody else. Don't put in other's people mouth what they never said.

Speaking about your language, working class origin is very likely

I'm not sure who this post was intended for, but it can't be me because it doesn't answer anything I said :rolleyes:

[Graham]

Graham is English? :icon_ask: I think that's insulting to Scottish people (they like their own identity,) and it's you who's telling porkie-pies.

It's OK, it's only insulting if the aim is to insult, that it wasn't in this case. :) Many people see English and British as the same thing abroad. It gets confusing.

[Token]

British Isles people share more real ancestry with Iberians (the Celts) than with Eastern Europeans, but they are much closer to other northern Europeans (from west to east) than to southern,
because of ancient Indo-European ancestry and low neolithic admixture. Clustering doesn't equal ancestry, Sicilians and Jews cluster togheder because of similar ratio of north-south components, not same origin.

I will give example- Half British, half Jewish person will share more real ancestry with other Brits, than fully Polish person, but Pole will cluster much closer to average Brits on PCA than the guy who is actually half British, because his other mix is very different genetically.

Bell Beakers replaced majority of pre-IE British population, they also migrated to Iberia but replacement level was significantly lesser.
Finally, someone that thinks outside the box, and don't just blindly follow monodisciplinary studies like it is the absolute truth.

[♥ Lily ♥]

5 years old threads by users who have been inactive for years. LMAO.
I remember Tooting Carmen (an actual Welsh from Wales) claimed high class english are blonder and more nordic(because they have more admixture from saxons), while Atlantid is a low class phenotype.

Tooting Carmen is half Welsh and half South American.


And lol@ you considering Sikeliot iberian, he's an American with multiple ancestries.?

I've never claimed that nor considered Sikeliot as being Iberian, so laugh away. :)


Has IP from Basque country? Doesn't mean anything. Using a VPN, I can have IP from Netherlands or UK. He's sock of the mexican valen martin.

:picard1:

Could you show me some proof that he's using a VPN instead of making false and untrue accusations about two totally separate people who live in two different nations and continenents, have different personalities, and who've even fallen out with each other in the past.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Im not iberian just to clarify things

[♥ Lily ♥]

Forget that, I just wanted to remind you of the stupid comparison of photos you've made, blond children in suits posing vs a protest photo

http://culture-of-the-basques.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/1/8/16187286/122863_orig.jpeg

https://cnjudizmendi.com/cnj15/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/25902143287_852a9e297f_k.jpg

They weren't dressed in 'suits' but in uniforms and are from ordinary comprehensive schools and CoE schools for the working classes. Maybe working class schools are 'posh' or 'upper class' to you, huh?! :confused:

I don't know of any comprehensive schools of ordinary working class folk in Spain, so I just searched for crowds of people.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Sikeliot an Iberian member... hahaha... these English are as retarded as they seem when they come to Spain :icon_lol:

British party girl gives oral sex to 24 men in Magaluf… for a £2 bottle of cava
https://metro.co.uk/2014/07/03/british-party-girl-gives-oral-sex-to-24-men-in-magaluf-for-a-2-bottle-of-cava-4785959/

Why are you posting that OT article here for? To lamely attempt to slander British people?

She's not British, but from Northern Ireland: :picard1: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/magaluf-girl-i-was-there-she-returned-to-venue-the-very-next-day-for-more-drunken-antics-30411158.html

Why doesn't the photo and news article show the faces and identities of all the men who exposed their penises in the place and were also involved in whatever happened in Spain?

1 person doesn't represent 65+ million people.

You don't have prostitutes in Spain? https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/01/10/inenglish/1484044435_786435.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY2KfabSdxQ

[B01AB20]

It's OK, it's only insulting if the aim is to insult, that it wasn't in this case. :) Many people see English and British as the same thing abroad. It gets confusing.

Like I said you're a great poster and person... and Scottish, of course.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Sikeliot an Iberian member... hahaha... these English are as retarded as they seem when they come to Spain :icon_lol:


I've never claimed Sikeliot is Iberian... ha ha ha ha ha. :)

I'm not the one who claimed on this thread that Graham is 'English.'

Also, I'm not the one who states that the Basque poster BarcelonaAtlantis is 'a Mexican sock of Martin,' :rolleyes: (because I've seen them both on camera, have seen them arguing for long periods in the past, have known them both for years, their IP's aren't proxies, they live in totally different nations and continents, have different personalities and different English skills.)

English people aren't retarded, so stop your insults.

http://www.ebritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/488575_mapa-inteligencije-foto-jakubmarian.com_lb.jpg

[Tauromachos]

I've never claimed Sikeliot is Iberian... ha ha ha ha ha. :)


He partialy is,he has Portugese ancestry along with Sicilian,Slavic and West African

[♥ Lily ♥]

That user told Lily posted upper class British to say they are lighter than poor Spaniards. If there are a separation based on race, what social group youd put Emma Bunton? Because her parents were poor. I dont see nothing med about her
https://images.tmz.com/2017/07/12/0712-emma-bunton-baby-spice-now-photos-launch-3.jpg

I mostly posted groups of working-class English and Welsh and Cornish students in comprehensive schools, Church of England schools, and in grammar schools.

Just because they're dressed in uniforms doesn't make them posh. It's a traditional and compulsory law in the UK for all students in primary, junior, and in secondary schools to wear school uniforms, regardless of their social background. They have to wear it by law.

I guess most of the working classes stem from Angles, Saxons, Jutes, and Celts... and the ruling Normans mostly became the middle classes and the upper classes/aristocracy after the Norman Conquest. Prince Charles is of Danish and Greek descent.

But it's accurate that Emma Bunton is also from a working-class background.

The identical twins in this band (Matt and Luke Goss) are from southern England and both are from working-class backgrounds (although millionaires today and living in LA.) The bass player (Craig Logan) is Scottish, but he'd pass in England too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yu0T9n5uos

Patsy Kensit is half Irish and half English. Her father was an associate of the notorious London gangsters the Kray twins and served time in prison. Her grandfather was a robber and a counterfeiter.


Her mother was a publicist; her father was an associate of the notorious London gangsters the Kray twins. Nicknamed "Jimmy the Dip", he also reportedly worked for the rival Richardsons, running long firms for the gang. He served time in prison before Kensit was born; she believed he was an antiques dealer. Kensit's parents did not marry until 1986. Her paternal grandfather was a robber and counterfeiter. She attended Newland House School, St Catherine's School, Twickenham and Corona Theatre School.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-PYqUHfTMA

A working-class accent from East London

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM

The world's second highest paid iconic supermodel for 25+ years, Kate Moss (from Croydon, southern England,) also has an extremely working-class accent.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkAZ3SjcyumzGZIplcI-uvU-8zuyoTOSpb3xWzMhzbw3H1UF5y
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/b1/d6/72b1d62ed1e05bf413a39ad011ceb7d6.jpg
https://theredlist.com/media/database/muses/icon/iconic_men/1980/bryan-ferry/016-bryan-ferry-theredlist.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/presspublisher-do/upload/2654/Ferry.Reason_Or_Rhyme.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgILwipQnk

David Beckham (from east London) also has a working-class accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUrSrIZnMc

[B01AB20]

Im not iberian just to clarify things

:rofl_002::rofl_002::rofl_002:

Maybe it was not your intention, but you made a good joke with double meaning.