Are gorillas and chimpanzees really closest to Africans?

[Haider]

I remember I read that someone once uploaded a gorillas and a chimpanzee samples on Gedmatch and that out of all human populations they came out closest to Africans Pygmies and other sub-saharans at a relatively close distance, and other populations only at a much higher distance. Someone explained this is mostly due to their archaic input. Is this true?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I remember I read that someone once uploaded a gorillas and a chimpanzee samples on Gedmatch and that out of all human populations they came out closest to Africans Pygmies and other sub-saharans at a relatively close distance, and other populations only at a much higher distance. Someone explained this is mostly due to their archaic input. Is this true?Sounds exaggerated and probably fake. Also non africans have neanderthal and denisovan admixture which i speculate would pull them farther away from chimps since homosapian would be closer to a chimp than neanderthal and denisovan

[Larali]

Humans and non-human apes evolved separately from a common ancestor.

[Marmara]

That's impossible.

[Sikeliot]

"Closest" (and that is disputable since I would believe that all humans at this point are equidistant from non-human primates) does not mean close. Without seeing this with my own eyes I'll chalk it up to racist propaganda.

[Bobby Martnen]

"Closest" (and that is disputable since I would believe that all humans at this point are equidistant from non-human primates) does not mean close. Without seeing this with my own eyes I'll chalk it up to racist propaganda.

Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20180108002731/https://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226741-Apes-and-monkeys-on-GEDMATCH-

But I think running apes through human genetic tests is a dubious premise.

[Sikeliot]

Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20180108002731/https://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226741-Apes-and-monkeys-on-GEDMATCH-

But I think running apes through human genetic tests is a dubious premise.


Humans are apes.

[happycow]

Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20180108002731/https://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226741-Apes-and-monkeys-on-GEDMATCH-

But I think running apes through human genetic tests is a dubious premise.

interesting....

[Sikeliot]

I will add that on those calculators (which I think are very dubious), they are close only to Khoisan and Pygmies, not to other SSA people who are the ancestors of those of us with ancestry from slavery.

Those calculators should be taken with a grain of salt when analyzing non-humans, because they are simply grasping to categorize non-human DNA, it does not mean they are a close match at all with whatever comes up.

[StonyArabia]

I will add that on those calculators (which I think are very dubious), they are close only to Khoisan and Pygmies, not to other SSA people who are the ancestors of those of us with ancestry from slavery.

Those calculators should be taken with a grain of salt when analyzing non-humans, because they are simply grasping to categorize non-human DNA, it does not mean they are a close match at all with whatever comes up.

I agree. It's like using a dog, animal or banana the results are going to be not correct. As for the Khosians that because they are quite an ancient people, and same with pygmies. That said it's comical to, like that study about the bonobos being closely related to Africans was misread, when it was not referring to genetics. In general even the most archaic humans are very different apes/monkeys, not to mention that Neanderthals were appearing as SSA's on these calculators. The high IQ individuals at Amren misread the article about bonobo study in a comical fashion.

It's plain racism and garbage

[Bobby Martnen]

Those calculators should be taken with a grain of salt when analyzing non-humans, because they are simply grasping to categorize non-human DNA, it does not mean they are a close match at all with whatever comes up.

That's what I meant by



But I think running apes through human genetic tests is a dubious premise.

[Kriptc06]

Sounds exaggerated and probably fake. Also non africans have neanderthal and denisovan admixture which i speculate would pull them farther away from chimps since homosapian would be closer to a chimp than neanderthal and denisovan

africans also have archaic hominid admix, thus also not 100% sapiens.

[Abdelnour]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?148310-GEDMATCH-Neanderthal-ADMIXTURE

[Sikeliot]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?148310-GEDMATCH-Neanderthal-ADMIXTURE

Basically any older populations of humans will be closer to Pygmies and Khoisans because these are the oldest branches of the human tree. But as I said only people with racist intentions would interpret that in nefarious ways.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

africans also have archaic hominid admix, thus also not 100% sapiens.

Archaic is closer to homosapian than neanderthal and denisovan.
Neanderthals could not even make bows and arrows.

[Kriptc06]

Archaic is closer to homosapian than neanderthal and denisovan.
Neanderthals could not even make bows and arrows.

good point, but still admixed.

[Myanthropologies]

Sounds exaggerated and probably fake. Also non africans have neanderthal and denisovan admixture which i speculate would pull them farther away from chimps since homosapian would be closer to a chimp than neanderthal and denisovan

I don't think that would make Europeans any further. All hominids including neanderthals and homo sapiens split from non-human primates at the same time. They all last shared an ancestor with non-human primates at the same time. Thus, Neanderthals and Homo-Sapien are both equally as close to non-human primates. Whoever started the thread is just an idiot who can only interpret amateur genetics such as GEDmatch and other commercial websites.

He took data from David Reich's study and uploaded it to GEDmatch. I think that if Dr. Reich's data came to such conclusions, Reich would have mentioned it in a study. After all, David Reich is the same person who wrote on the New York Times claiming that we should expect traits like behavior and cognition to be genetically different across different populations (not that I agree with that, though). He is not someone that would censor such a finding.