Non-mongoloid admixture of Turkic people? Does it come from Iranics?

[cyberlorian]

https://image.ibb.co/kq6eud/mHUkWzF.png

[itilvolga]

You are pretty obsessed about the relationship between Iranics and Turkics

[Jana]

In Central Asia yes, but Anatolian Turks have lot of caucasoid non Iranic admixture.
Turkic groups in Russia have some Slavic and Finnic as well

[cyberlorian]

In Central Asia yes, but Anatolian Turks have lot of caucasoid non Iranic admixture.
Turkic groups in Russia have some Slavic and Finnic as well

Anatolian Turks have a lot of Caucasian admixture.

[cyberlorian]

You are pretty obsessed about the relationship between Iranics and Turkics

"Yeter" (name) :D

[Jana]

Anatolian Turks have a lot of Caucasian admixture.

yes, and Balkan, Armenian too

[Loki]

Yeah... and Scythian.

[cyberlorian]

yes, and Balkan, Armenian too

Of course. I also wonder whether types and admixtures are related. For example, Turanid type is a transition type betweeen Lappoid and Iranid. Lappoid is mostly related with Northwest Asians and Northeast Europeans. Whereas, Iranid is mostly realted with Iranians. Also, Anatolid type is a transition type from Dinarid to Armenoid. Dinarid is more related with Balkans and Armenoid is more related with Armenians.

[Jana]

Of course. I also wonder whether types and admixtures are related. For example, Turanid type is a transition type betweeen Lappoid and Iranid. Lappoid is mostly related with Northwest Asians and Northeast Europeans. Whereas, Iranid is mostly realted with Iranians. Also, Anatolid type is a transition type from Dinarid to Armenoid. Dinarid is more related with Balkans and Armenoid is more related with Armenians.

But Anatolid is mix of Capaddocian med and armenoid. According to anthro literature

And I don't think Turanid is Lappish + Iranid mix, that's not true! It is mix of eastern European Cro Magnon and some mongoloid type, probably tungid

[cyberlorian]

But Anatolid is mix of Capaddocian med and armenoid. Accpording to anthro literature

And I don't thik Turanid is Lappish + Iranid mix, that's not true! It is mix of eastern European Cro Magnon and some mongoloid type, probably tungid

Hmmm. Actually Cappodocid type looks like dolicocephal Dinarid :D

Why do I always associate Turanid type with Iranid? I have to ask myself :D

[Böri]

No.
Afanesovo (white Europoid) + Okunevo (South Siberid) interaction happened 5500 years ago in Yenisei-Lena axis.
There was no Iranians back then.

This is a reason why Anatolian Turks have higher north-European like admixture compared to their neighbors (Armenians, Kartvelians, Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Cappadocian Greeks).

[cyberlorian]

But Anatolid is mix of Capaddocian med and armenoid. According to anthro literature

And I don't think Turanid is Lappish + Iranid mix, that's not true! It is mix of eastern European Cro Magnon and some mongoloid type, probably tungid

As far as I know, Cappadocid type is a transition type from Iranid to West Mediterranid.

As for Turanid, then is it a combination of those types?:

http://humanphenotypes.net/Ladogan.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/ladoganm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/ladoganf.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Tungid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungidf.jpg

[Jana]

As far as I know, Cappadocid type is a transition type from Iranid to West Mediterranid.

As for Turanid, then is it a combination of those types?:

http://humanphenotypes.net/Ladogan.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/ladoganm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/ladoganf.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Tungid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungidf.jpg

Ladogan is special type and probably aclimatisation to northeastern European climate + Saami like admixture.

Caucasoid in central asia that formed Turanid was not Lappid, it was non borealized type, most likely robust Nordic/Cro-Magnon (EHG)

[cyberlorian]

Most likely robust Nordic/Cro-Magnon (EHG)

Sounds like Dalofaelid :)

[Jana]

Sounds like Dalofaelid :)

That's fantasy type...

[Yaglakar]

Various layers encompassing different time periods. Assimilation of nomadic Indo-Europeans before the turn of the first millenia + the presence of large Sogdian (settled East Iranic) communities of merchants and craftsmen as far as Orkhon/Mongolia from 5th century AD + assimilation of local settled/semi-nomadic Indo-Europeans in Central Asia proper.

[Sora]

No. It comes from the mixing of Mongoloids and Caucasoids when Turks are during creating. But unfortunately, the ancestors of Turks mixed imbalanced :(

[Pahli]

No.
Afanesovo (white Europoid) + Okunevo (South Siberid) interaction happened 5500 years ago in Yenisei-Lena axis.
There was no Iranians back then.

This is a reason why Anatolian Turks have higher north-European like admixture compared to their neighbors (Armenians, Kartvelians, Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Cappadocian Greeks).

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA xD

Afanasevo has nothing to do with Proto-Turks you moron, they were the ancestors of Tocharians, Turks have NE_Euro because they assimilated East Iranian populations of Central Asia, Oghuz Turks themselves barely had any NE_Euro admixture prior to their migrations to Central Asia, you also assimilated most of the Greek populations of West Turkey, I've seen the results; 50/50 South European and Turkmen. Again trying to portray Turks as whiter than everyone else, you suffer from heavy OWD :)


No. It comes from the mixing of Mongoloids and Caucasoids when Turks are during creating. But unfortunately, the ancestors of Turks mixed imbalanced :(

Why are both you and Böri so autistic? Your people were originally Mongoloid, you are so obsessed with being White it fucking hurts laughing every time I read this cringy shit, jesus fucking christ xD


Various layers encompassing different time periods. Assimilation of nomadic Indo-Europeans before the turn of the first millenia + the presence of large Sogdian (settled East Iranic) communities of merchants and craftsmen as far as Orkhon/Mongolia from 5th century AD + assimilation of local settled/semi-nomadic Indo-Europeans in Central Asia proper.

This

[cyberlorian]

No. It comes from the mixing of Mongoloids and Caucasoids when Turks are during creating. But unfortunately, the ancestors of Turks mixed imbalanced :(

Actually Turan type is basically Cromagnid plus Tungid. Aralid subtype is shifted more towards Tungid. Pamirid is shifted more towards Cromagnid.

[Sora]

Why are both you and Böri so autistic? Your people were originally Mongoloid, you are so obsessed with being White it fucking hurts laughing every time I read this cringy shit, jesus fucking christ

You are more autistic than mentally ill children! When that's so, saying this is ironic! And you butthurt Iranian, why this hurts you so much when we say the truth? Also stop being butthurt! Or Böri and I will hurt you so much! Already truths hurts you but anyway... Turks were never originally Mongoloid as Iranics were originally blacks! Turks were already mixture of Caucasoids and Mongoloids. But your mentally ill brain can't get this...

[cyberlorian]

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As I learned recently, most Central Asians have Turanid type and Turanid type is basically Cromagnid plus Tungid. Aralid subtype is shifted more towards Tungid. Pamirid is shifted more towards Cromagnid.

[Bobby Martnen]

Probably from native Anatolians

[cyberlorian]

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[Pahli]

You are more autistic than mentally ill children! When that's so, saying this is ironic! And you butthurt Iranian, why this hurts you so much when we say the truth? Also stop being butthurt! Or Böri and I will hurt you so much! Already truths hurts you but anyway... Turks were never originally Mongoloid as Iranics were originally blacks! Turks were already mixture of Caucasoids and Mongoloids. But your mentally ill brain can't get this...

Ok White Turks made everyone White, and Iranics were black, sure :)

[cyberlorian]

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[cyberlorian]

Probably from native Anatolians

Actually I could not solve where the non-mongoloid component of Central Asians come from.

[Pahli]

Actually I could not solve where the non-mongoloid component of Central Asians come from.

Neolithic Iranian farmers and Steppe people

[Leto]

Central Asia is basically a giant mix of people like me, Pahli, zhaoyun and Thambi in varying proportions.

[Böri]

What what? I couldn't hear!
Repeat.
Did a Middle Eastern farmer in baggy trouser said something?
I thought İ heard something in IE Iranic language spelled with a Semitic style!
That must be hallucinations.
It must be a wrong perception.

[cyberlorian]

Neolithic Iranian farmers and Steppe people

Are Neolithic Iranian farmers mostly ENF?

[Gangrel]

loool this thread gonna b gud

[Pahli]

loool this thread gonna b gud

All the autists gathered around for the occasional OWD kardesh

[Pahli]

Are Neolithic Iranian farmers mostly ENF?

Namazga sample from Turkmenistan is basically Neolithic_Iranian + EHG / ANE, there's also a sample from Uzbekistan (Dzhakurtan Bronze Age) which shows some West Siberian_HG admixture;

Bronze age Namazga:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 70.33
2 NE_Europe 9.93
3 South_Asia 9.69
4 SW_Europe 6.69
5 SW_Asia 3.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahui 25.95
2 Balochi 26.3
3 Makrani 26.51
4 Iranian 27.91
5 Dagestan_Azeri 28.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.8% Brahui + 38.2% Abkhasian @ 23.65
2 59.3% Makrani + 40.7% Abkhasian @ 23.77
3 61.1% Balochi + 38.9% Abkhasian @ 24.04
4 61.3% Brahui + 38.7% Dagestan_Azeri @ 24.05
5 66.5% Brahui + 33.5% Adygei @ 24.08


Bronze Age Uzbekistan;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 40.1
2 SW_Europe 19.32
3 NE_Europe 15.31
4 SW_Asia 8.2
5 South_Asia 4.97
6 NE_Asia 4.46
7 Siberia 4.12
8 West_Africa 1.88
9 Americas 0.83
10 Oceania 0.4
11 East_Africa 0.28
12 SE_Asia 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dagestan_Azeri 5.44
2 Kumyk 5.86
3 Ossetian 6.6
4 Balkar 6.61
5 Adygei 7.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Dagestan_Azeri + 25.6% Nogay @ 2.89
2 79.8% Dagestan_Azeri + 20.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.04
3 88.1% Dagestan_Azeri + 11.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.17
4 62.7% Abkhasian + 37.3% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.36
5 94.6% Dagestan_Azeri + 5.4% Xibo @ 3.44


The reason why they have Mongoloid admixture is because West_Siberian HG is has some Mongoloid too.

[Leto]

Namazga sample from Turkmenistan is basically Neolithic_Iranian + EHG / ANE, there's also a sample from Uzbekistan (Dzhakurtan Bronze Age) which shows some West Siberian_HG admixture;

Bronze age Namazga:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 70.33
2 NE_Europe 9.93
3 South_Asia 9.69
4 SW_Europe 6.69
5 SW_Asia 3.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahui 25.95
2 Balochi 26.3
3 Makrani 26.51
4 Iranian 27.91
5 Dagestan_Azeri 28.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.8% Brahui + 38.2% Abkhasian @ 23.65
2 59.3% Makrani + 40.7% Abkhasian @ 23.77
3 61.1% Balochi + 38.9% Abkhasian @ 24.04
4 61.3% Brahui + 38.7% Dagestan_Azeri @ 24.05
5 66.5% Brahui + 33.5% Adygei @ 24.08


Bronze Age Uzbekistan;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 40.1
2 SW_Europe 19.32
3 NE_Europe 15.31
4 SW_Asia 8.2
5 South_Asia 4.97
6 NE_Asia 4.46
7 Siberia 4.12
8 West_Africa 1.88
9 Americas 0.83
10 Oceania 0.4
11 East_Africa 0.28
12 SE_Asia 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dagestan_Azeri 5.44
2 Kumyk 5.86
3 Ossetian 6.6
4 Balkar 6.61
5 Adygei 7.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Dagestan_Azeri + 25.6% Nogay @ 2.89
2 79.8% Dagestan_Azeri + 20.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.04
3 88.1% Dagestan_Azeri + 11.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.17
4 62.7% Abkhasian + 37.3% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.36
5 94.6% Dagestan_Azeri + 5.4% Xibo @ 3.44


The reason why they have Mongoloid admixture is because West_Siberian HG is has some Mongoloid too.
The West Sib HGs are said to have been 50% ANE-like, 30% EHG and 20% East Asian.

[Pahli]

The West Sib HGs are said to have been 50% ANE-like, 30% EHG and 20% East Asian.

Something like that. Samples from Pre-Steppe Central Asia shows both ANE and West Sb HG migrations and admixture with the Iranian like farmers

[Leto]

By the way, use Harappa, Dod K12b and puntDNAL K15.