ANCESTRY UPDATE 2018: Reference Panel and New Grouping

[DarkWater]

I called Ancestry this morning to find out why some people have updated regions, reference panels, and drastically different ethnicity percentages. I had to talk to four different people to find out that some customers were chosen to get the results already, and that everyone else will get the update in a couple of weeks.

To my knowledge the update includes:

A much larger reference panel, which grew from 3,000 people to 16,000.

New Regional Groups:
Europe West will be split into Germanic Europe and France
Great Britain will become England and Wales, and Scotland will now be grouped with Ireland instead. Also, I expect that England and Wales will not encompass as much of Continental Europe as Great Britain does.


I expect my results to shift heavily. I will be much more "Germanic Europe" and have a lower percentage of England and Wales. I am curious to see if it gives me any French. Here are my old results:

https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/c034e5b3-0d27-425f-a299-d79fad6f5a15.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1348.8000200986862&maxHeight=700.0000104308128


People who have had their results updated already: please let me known of any differences between theold and the new that i missed. And also share your old results compared to you're new results if you would like.

[frankhammer]

I believe there is already the ability to compare those results. I can't log on from this location but a couple of days back, I was able to "test compare" the new results. There was change but very little for me personally bar a little shuffling between regions (our family were born in England, Ireland etc.)

[DarkWater]

I believe there is already the ability to compare those results. I can't log on from this location but a couple of days back, I was able to "test compare" the new results. There was change but very little for me personally bar a little shuffling between regions (our family were born in England, Ireland etc.)

Really? hmm. If you figure it out please let me know

[Mark M]

My original estimate

Ireland/Scotland/Wales 65%
Scandinavia 16%
Great Britain 13%
Iberian Peninsula 4%
Europe East <1%
European Jewish <1%
3,000 Reference Samples
363 Total Regions

My New estimate

Ireland and Scotland 69%
Munster, Ireland
England and Wales 27%
Sweden 4%

16,000 reference samples
380 total regions

[DarkWater]

New Regions I have seen:

Germanic Europe
France
Spain
Portugal
England and Wales
Ireland and Scotland
Japan
China
Philippines
Sweden
Norway
Eastern Europe & Russia
Italy
Baltic States
Greece & the Balkans
Cameroon, Congo and the Southern Bantu Peoples

[DarkWater]

My original estimate

Ireland/Scotland/Wales 65%
Scandinavia 16%
Great Britain 13%
Iberian Peninsula 4%
Europe East <1%
European Jewish <1%
3,000 Reference Samples
363 Total Regions

My New estimate

Ireland and Scotland 69%
Munster, Ireland
England and Wales 27%
Sweden 4%

16,000 reference samples
380 total regions

Yours seems to have simplifies. Do you think the new results seem more accurate?

Did they add Munster Ireland ?

[WillyWonka]

New Regions I have seen:

Germanic Europe
France
Spain
Portugal
England and Wales
Ireland and Scotland
Japan
China
Philippines
Sweden
Norway
Eastern Europe & Russia
Italy
Baltic States
Greece & the Balkans
Cameroon, Congo and the Southern Bantu Peoples

Also, Persian/Iran

[DarkWater]

Also, Persian/Iran

Someone said Basque is

[Mark M]

Yours seems to have simplifies. Do you think the new results seem more accurate?

Did they add Munster Ireland ?
Yes very accurate because I know at least 3/4 of my ancestry is from Ireland and Scotland, going back so far to c250 years ago (that's what I've been able to trace so far). English is correct as well but I don't know where the Swedish is from. The Munster one is from the original estimate, again accurate from what I know of my family. Hope that helps.

[WillyWonka]

Someone said Basque is

There is also Western and Central India

[DarkWater]

Yes very accurate because I know at least 3/4 of my ancestry is from Ireland and Scotland, going back so far to c250 years ago (that's what I've been able to trace so far). English is correct as well but I don't know where the Swedish is from. The Munster one is from the original estimate, again accurate from what I know of my family. Hope that helps.

Wow super interesting. Well if I had to guess I would say your Sweden is from Viking presence in Ireland and Scotland

[redeyednewt]

There is also Western and Central India

Do they also have South India? I am asking for friends who are Tamil and already know their ancestry, but they assume that they would also show up as having an ancestry that't not purely or completely Dravidian.

[PurpleSlander]

I hope mine updates soon

[Longbowman]

Still on the old one.

90% (84-94%) European Jewish
(West & Central Europe > Western Ukraine, Moldovia & Eastern Romania)
Pretty accurate, if it includes Sephardi, I am 94% European Jewish give or take, and my dad's family is mostly Western Ukrainian
6% (0-14%) Europe South
<1% (0-4%) Iberian Peninsula
<1% (0-2%) Europe East
<1% (0-2%) Caucasus
<1% (0-2%) Europe West

[Dick]

Still on the old one.

90% (84-94%) European Jewish
(West & Central Europe > Western Ukraine, Moldovia & Eastern Romania)
Pretty accurate, if it includes Sephardi, I am 94% European Jewish give or take, and my dad's family is mostly Western Ukrainian
6% (0-14%) Europe South
<1% (0-4%) Iberian Peninsula
<1% (0-2%) Europe East
<1% (0-2%) Caucasus
<1% (0-2%) Europe West

Try this


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?256515-Ancestry-Update-How-to-see-yours

[Longbowman]

Try this


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?256515-Ancestry-Update-How-to-see-yours

'Still processing results' :'(

[Dick]

'Still processing results' :'(

Guess they caught on to what people were doing. worked for me but now it says the same.

[Rædwald]

Guess they caught on to what people were doing. worked for me but now it says the same.

I've got the same thing here.

[Longbowman]

Using GraceOMalley's new cheat, here are my results:

{"version":4,"createdAt":1534932790000,"regions":[{"key":"EuropeJe","percentage":99,"lowerConfidence":89,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"TurkeyArmenia","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":1,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

So mostly European Jewish. I'm 6% Mizrakhi but it's still an improvement.

[Sp_loa]

Using GraceOMalley's new cheat, here are my results:

{"version":4,"createdAt":1534932790000,"regions":[{"key":"EuropeJe","percentage":99,"lowerConfidence":89,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"TurkeyArmenia","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":1,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

So mostly European Jewish. I'm 6% Mizrakhi but it's still an improvement.

Would you recommend more on 23andme or on Ancestry DNA?

[Longbowman]

Would you recommend more on 23andme or on Ancestry DNA?

23andme.

[Levant15]

Would you recommend more on 23andme or on Ancestry DNA?If you wanna transfer raw data to gedmatch or other calculators then it's better to get AncestryDNA.
23ANDME has only 55,000 snps

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[Gründig]

If you wanna transfer raw data to gedmatch or other calculators then it's better to get AncestryDNA.
23ANDME has only 55,000 snps

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Yes but 23andme worked just fine for me on gedmatch.

[redeyednewt]

Would you recommend more on 23andme or on Ancestry DNA?

I know you asked someone else but I went with Ancestry only because they have a large database of people who have tested their DNA or done genealogy and I did this to find information about close relatives my family and I knew basically nothing about at all besides the country and basic region of that country they were from.

You can also take your DNA sample from Ancestry and upload it to GEDMATCH and use their admixture calculators there which are IME (in my experience) a lot more accurate. I did not use 23 and me because they had it divided up into different sections like some people take a DNA test only for health, while others take it for genealogy.

[Longbowman]

I know you asked someone else but I went with Ancestry only because they have a large database of people who have tested their DNA or done genealogy and I did this to find information about close relatives my family and I knew basically nothing about at all besides the country and basic region of that country they were from.

You can also take your DNA sample from Ancestry and upload it to GEDMATCH and use their admixture calculators there which are IME (in my experience) a lot more accurate. I did not use 23 and me because they had it divided up into different sections like some people take a DNA test only for health, while others take it for genealogy.

23andme also has a large database. Also you cannot test for health only - either ancestry only, or both.

[Longbowman]

My results came in:
99% European Jewish
This now specifically includes Sephardic and other European Jewish groups. Still I am only 93-94% European Jewish in reality. A lot of mizrakhi blood has been miscounted. Still an improvement because previously they thought I was more European (Iberian and others)
1% Turkey and Caucasus
I guess?

[Rædwald]

It seems like most of the western examples that I've seen on previous to the update lost any Iberian Peninsula dna they might have shown.

[redeyednewt]

23andme also has a large database. Also you cannot test for health only - either ancestry only, or both.

I have never tested via 23 and me. Can you upload your DNA from another site onto it? It would be a lot less expensive and time consuming to do it this way. I know other DNA sites let you do this like family tree DNA, where you do this and just pay a small amount of money-less than what it costs to buy a DNA test kit.

[redeyednewt]

It seems like most of the western examples that I've seen on previous to the update lost any Iberian Peninsula dna they might have shown.

Yeah why did they take away the Iberian estimate on Ancestry.com? My mother and I have a heritage from Iberia but despite it showing up in our apperances and family trees, as well as on GEDMATCH calculators it was taken away from the Ancestry DNA estimate? Also the estimates for the British isles and northwestern Europe seem to have greatly increased for relatives of mine who have a heritage mainly from Central European countries but I do wonder if Ancestry.com has a bias towards showing a heritage from the UK?

[Buckeye]

I called Ancestry this morning to find out why some people have updated regions, reference panels, and drastically different ethnicity percentages. I had to talk to four different people to find out that some customers were chosen to get the results already, and that everyone else will get the update in a couple of weeks.

To my knowledge the update includes:

A much larger reference panel, which grew from 3,000 people to 16,000.

New Regional Groups:
Europe West will be split into Germanic Europe and France
Great Britain will become England and Wales, and Scotland will now be grouped with Ireland instead. Also, I expect that England and Wales will not encompass as much of Continental Europe as Great Britain does.


I expect my results to shift heavily. I will be much more "Germanic Europe" and have a lower percentage of England and Wales. I am curious to see if it gives me any French. Here are my old results:

https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/c034e5b3-0d27-425f-a299-d79fad6f5a15.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1348.8000200986862&maxHeight=700.0000104308128


People who have had their results updated already: please let me known of any differences between theold and the new that i missed. And also share your old results compared to you're new results if you would like.


Finally Updated!
https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/92e79fa7-f086-490f-8d5e-24cdac6bbfca.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1349&maxHeight=577

[Longbowman]

I have never tested via 23 and me. Can you upload your DNA from another site onto it? It would be a lot less expensive and time consuming to do it this way. I know other DNA sites let you do this like family tree DNA, where you do this and just pay a small amount of money-less than what it costs to buy a DNA test kit.

No, you cannot upload data to it, but it is better than FTDNA and thus worth the cost

[amoora]

I got an email today that my ethnicity estimate was updated on ancestrydna. I no longer have European Jewish, Scandinavian, Finnish/Northwest Russia, Eastern European or Iberian DNA lol damn :icon_rolleyes:

[Levant15]

I got an email today that my ethnicity estimate was updated on ancestrydna. I no longer have European Jewish, Scandinavian, Finnish/Northwest Russia, Eastern European or Iberian DNA lol damn :icon_rolleyes:So what's your new estimate ya amoora

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[redeyednewt]

No, you cannot upload data to it, but it is better than FTDNA and thus worth the cost

I did a search and found out that you can or could upload DNA from Ancestry.com to 23 and me. I will just wait until they have this again and it's free.

https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003152494-Upload-Your-Results-with-Discover23

[Annie999]

I got an email today that my ethnicity estimate was updated on ancestrydna. I no longer have European Jewish, Scandinavian, Finnish/Northwest Russia, Eastern European or Iberian DNA lol damn :icon_rolleyes:

Yup, all my Scandinavian and European Jewish dissapeared as well, along with Ireland, East Europe, South Asian and North Africa.

[Karol Klačansky]

old results
https://preview.ibb.co/dhdxpz/Ethnicity_estimate.png (https://ibb.co/cBm6hK)

The new update
https://image.ibb.co/dBQz2K/ancestry_dna_update_KAROL.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Bobby Martnen]

https://image.ibb.co/dBQz2K/ancestry_dna_update_KAROL.png (https://imgbb.com/)

So you're 3/4 Slovakian and 1/4 what exactly? German? English? Scottish?

[Karol Klačansky]

So you're 3/4 Slovakian and 1/4 what exactly? German? English? Scottish?

id say im probably around 15% english 5% scottish and Irish 5% german and the rest a little french and swiss at least thats what I am according to my family tree.

[Bobby Martnen]

id say im probably around 15% english 5% scottish and Irish 5% german and the rest a little french and swiss at least thats what I am according to my family tree.

So you're 3/4 Slovak, 1/4 NW Euro. Who do you cluster with?

[Bobby Martnen]

Who do you cluster with Bobby

Austrians and South Germans.

[Gründig]

Austrians and South Germans.

how do you know this? I thought you said you haven't done a DNA test.

[Bobby Martnen]

how do you know this? I thought you said you haven't done a DNA test.

I have

[Gründig]

I have

Post it, as well as some gedmatch calculators.

[Karol Klačansky]

So you're 3/4 Slovak, 1/4 NW Euro. Who do you cluster with?

I end up kind of in no mans land when it comes to a lot of gedmatch calcs Ill share a few here with you if you want to see others let me know.

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 38.31
2 North_Atlantic 36.08
3 West_Med 11.79
4 East_Med 8.05
5 West_Asian 1.45
6 Amerindian 1.19
7 South_Asian 0.95
8 East_Asian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.61
10 Oceanian 0.57
11 Red_Sea 0.29
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 7.61
2 South_Polish 7.63
3 Hungarian 8.8
4 Austrian 9.59
5 Polish 9.63
6 Ukrainian 9.83
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.05
8 Croatian 10.18
9 Southwest_Finnish 10.2
10 North_Swedish 10.94
11 Belorussian 12.68
12 Estonian_Polish 12.92
13 Russian_Smolensk 12.92
14 Southwest_Russian 13.38
15 Moldavian 13.69
16 Finnish 14.18
17 Estonian 14.19
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.22
19 Swedish 14.4
20 North_German 14.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.1% Belorussian + 36.9% French @ 3.85

MDLP K23b
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 44.46
2 Caucasian 27.53
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.54
4 Ancestral_Altaic 4.29
5 Near_East 1.85
6 Arctic 0.79
7 East_Siberian 0.65
8 Austronesian 0.51
9 Khoisan 0.4
10 Paleo_Siberian 0.27
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.19
12 South_East_Asian 0.18
13 East_African 0.16
14 South_Indian 0.13
15 Amerindian 0.05
16 Subsaharian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian ( ) 3.78
2 Slovenian ( ) 4.34
3 Austrian ( ) 4.98
4 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.27
5 Czech ( ) 5.82
6 Slovak ( ) 6.42
7 German ( ) 7.19
8 Kashub ( ) 7.45
9 German_East ( ) 7.86
10 Sorb ( ) 8.68
11 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.14
12 Serb_Serbia ( ) 9.34
13 German-Volga ( ) 10.13
14 Croat ( ) 10.17
15 Serb_BH ( ) 10.43
16 Bosnian ( ) 10.56
17 Croat_BH ( ) 11.17
18 South_German ( ) 11.19
19 North_German ( ) 11.46
20 Montenegrian ( ) 11.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58% Croat_BH ( ) + 42% Swede ( ) @ 3.09
2 82.6% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 17.4% Sardinian ( ) @ 3.11
3 82.5% Belarusian-East ( ) + 17.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 3.16
4 60.6% Croat ( ) + 39.4% Swede ( ) @ 3.24
5 69.2% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 30.8% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 3.26

Eurogenes EU calc with a pca plot. Im Karol on the plot
# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.99
2 SOUTH_BALTIC 22.14
3 EAST_EURO 18.49
4 ATLANTIC 18.15
5 WEST_MED 8.28
6 EAST_MED 6.74
7 WEST_ASIAN 1.35
8 EAST_ASIAN 0.56
9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.24
10 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 9.03
2 AT 9.06
3 PL 9.49
4 HU 9.7
5 South_&_Central_Swedish 10.47
6 South_Finnish 10.84
7 UA 11.16
8 West_&_Central_German 11.61
9 NO 11.61
10 West_Russian 12.15
11 Ukrainian-Russian 12.59
12 NL 12.62
13 DK 12.76
14 EE 13.26
15 Belorussian 13.31
16 Serbian 14.02
17 English 14.86
18 East_Finnish 14.89
19 Orcadian 15.33
20 Cornish 15.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.6% UA + 46.4% DK @ 3.22

https://preview.ibb.co/eCX7SK/EU_north_plot_for_the_AP.png (https://ibb.co/gcQi1e)

Im clustering with my siblings and with half russian and half american user from this forum. I cluster with more or less with very east german types and more western type czechs.