Portuguese 23andme results!

[Restless Kiwi]

Hello!

I have some questions about my DNA results!

I am portuguese and i have no family outside of europe but my results show me otherwise! :confused:

Also my haplogroup is from eastern europe? :confused:


https://i.imgur.com/4zemn1s.png

[Kouros]

You're a Brazilian

[Drusilla]

I'm not familiar with Portuguese results, sorry. But I'm curious about your haplogroup.

[Restless Kiwi]

You're a Brazilian

I have never been in brazil, neither has any of my living or dead relatives in the last 140 years :S

[Bell Beaker]

:lol:

[Leto]

Yeah, looks like a white Brazilian or half Braz half Port. Anyway, you're strictly 1/2 Portuguese which looks cool.

[GiCa]

I have never been in brazil, neither has any of my living or dead relatives in the last 140 years :S

Maybe Brazil genes arrived by ships in Portugal in ancient time or you were adopted

[Drusilla]

And what the haplogroup? Is it uncommon for a Portuguese person?

Are you white?

[Restless Kiwi]

And what the haplogroup? Is it uncommon for a Portuguese person?

Are you white?

I don't know, im new at this.

I am white, i burn as soon as i go out in the sun :D

[Kouros]

I have never been in brazil, neither has any of my living or dead relatives in the last 140 years :S

So how did you manage the 3.1% Native American?

It even says 'Brazil' :picard2:

[alnortedelsur]

It is impossible to be full Portuguese, and score as much as 5% SSA and 3% Amerindian on 23andme.

[Drusilla]

I apologize in advance for the rude question but is any of your ancestors adopted or could they have been fooled by a white passing person?

[Rouxinol]

You should post a classification thread in the Taxonomy sub-forum.

[GiCa]

It is impossible to be full Portuguese, and score as much as 5% SSA and 3% Amerindian on 23andme.

Is it possible in the case of Azoreans wich have as standard as 5% subsaharian African, but without the native American.

[Restless Kiwi]

I apologize in advance for the rude question but is any of your ancestors adopted or could they have been fooled by a white passing person?

No adoptions, maybe someone was white passing brazilian who kept a secret lol

[Leto]

You should post a classification thread in the Taxonomy sub-forum.
One can be 20% SSA and have blonde hair and blue eyes, so I doubt she looks very exotic being 90% European.

[GiCa]

Also your Italian is high.. That points to Brazil.

And without speaking of the native you have wich is exactly catalogated as Brazilian native.

You have some ancestors who lied to You

[Drusilla]

How come she has an Eastern haplogroup?

[caviezel]

Paternity frauds are not that uncommon. In the US 3.7% husbands are unwittingly cucks. And what do the feminists have to say?

[Rouxinol]

One can be 20% SSA and have blonde hair and blue eyes, so I doubt she looks very exotic being 90% European.

Yes but it would be interesting nonetheless given her Iberian score.

[Restless Kiwi]

Paternity frauds are not that uncommon. In the US 3.7% husbands are unwittingly cucks. And what do the feminists have to say?

Don't insult my ancestors..

[Drusilla]

Yes but it would be interesting nonetheless given her Iberian score.

Is it considered high?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Não és Portuguesa. É impossível um Português nativo ter esses resultados.

[Restless Kiwi]

I have never been mistaken for being any foreign..

https://i.imgur.com/uFSnmJR.png

[GiCa]

Paternity frauds are not that uncommon. In the US 3.7% husbands are unwittingly cucks. And what do the feminists have to say?

International statistics say that 1 baby on 10 is not the biological son of the father.

But that probably is not her case (it just need an ancestor who cheated)

[Damião de Góis]

Is it possible in the case of Azoreans wich have as standard as 5% subsaharian African, but without the native American.

No they don't. Their results aren't much different from continentals.

[Kivan]

Don't insult my ancestors..

Could you post photos of your parents ?

[Livin]

Post gedmatch results pls!

[GiCa]

No they don't. Their results aren't much different from continentals.

Well maybe I got confused with the Madeira genetic results

[Leto]

I have never been mistaken for being any foreign..

Definitely white.

[Livin]

The girl is 100% white but maybe some ancestor had immigrant background.


Maybe from Portugal colonization.

[Gangrel]

I have never been mistaken for being any foreign..

--

damn gurl u fine

[Dragoon]

Its possible that someone went from Portugal, to Brazil and back to Portugal along the last ~300 years.

[Damião de Góis]

Well maybe I got confused with the Madeira genetic results

I don't have enough info on madeirans to conclude anything, and i suspect neither have you. But in the case of azoreans i share with some and plenty have posted their results here.

[Restless Kiwi]

Não és Portuguesa. É impossível um Português nativo ter esses resultados.

impossível é ser tratada assim, como se estivesse a mentir-te.

[GiCa]

I don't have enough info on madeirans to conclude anything, and i suspect have you. But in the case of azoreans i share with some and plenty have posted their results here.

... They posted tons of genetic results from there here.. Now I Don t remember if from the azores or Madeira and all of them had more than 1% subsaharian african

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The girl is 100% white but maybe some ancestor had immigrant background.


Maybe from Portugal colonization.

Highly unlikely. I have nearly two hundred Portuguese 23andMe results that I have been gathering and I have never seen anything remotely close to be honest.

Maybe I should do a thread for it just like I did for the Portuguese K36 Similarity Tool maps with my kits otherwise people will keep on believing in anything whenever a sock claiming to be Portuguese pops up.

[Rouxinol]

Is it considered high?

I was expecting more.

[Gangrel]

Any history of reverse migration from Brazil to Portugal?

[Damião de Góis]

... They posted tons of genetic results from there here.. Now I Don t remember if from the azores or Madeira and all of them had more than 1% subsaharian african

We never had any madeiran poster here and Sikeliot's "madeirans" are anything but reliable.

[Drusilla]

I assume your results came in as a surprise for you. :confused:

[Livin]

Highly unlikely. I have nearly two hundred Portuguese 23andMe results that I have been gathering and I have never seen anything remotely close to be honest.

Maybe I should do a thread for it just like I did for the K36 Similarity Tool maps with my kits otherwise people will keep on believing in anything whenever a sock claiming to be Portuguese pops up.



If I have to take the phenotype of this girl she looks 100% white!

Zero ssa or native armenidian in this female individual.

As for the results as I told you,she may have an ancestor who hide his foreign background,or someone from her familly was adopted and stuff like that.

But from phenotype this girl is 1000000% white caucasoid.

[Restless Kiwi]

I assume your results came in as a surprise for you. :confused:

Oh yes, im kind of mad to be honest..

[GiCa]

We never had any madeiran poster here and Sikeliot's "madeirans" are anything but reliable.

It s there.. Has been posted and proved tons of times

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?167271-INTERESTING-23andme-result-from-Madeira-Portugal!

[Livin]

Some exp guy here to help her with gedmatch results.

[Restless Kiwi]

My parents

https://i.imgur.com/S0xQfrm.png

[Damião de Góis]

It s there.. Has been posted and proved tons of times

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?167271-INTERESTING-23andme-result-from-Madeira-Portugal!

Like i said, he posts portuguese-americans-cape-verdeans-venezualans and labels them as Madeiran. I once asked for the 23andme profiles of the people he was posting and all were americans, some with strange surnames yet they were being posted as "madeiran". So i'm afraid we will have to wait for real madeiran posters to post their results.

[Heather Duval]

It is impossible to be full Portuguese, and score as much as 5% SSA and 3% Amerindian on 23andme.

Her results are similiar to whites from Rio de janeiro.

[Bell Beaker]

Its possible that someone went from Portugal, to Brazil and back to Portugal along the last ~300 years.

So let's imagine that a Portuguese settler, important man, in Brazil returned with his mixed kids, let's say after 1825 (Brazilian Independence).

Now his 50% European kids were born in the 1810's, they had kids in the 1830/40's who were 25% Non European, now passing 20 to 30 years forward their offsprings were 1/8 Non European in the 1870's and in the turn of the century they were already 1/16 Brazilian, which is already less non-European admixture than the OP has.

Even if she had a Brazilian ancestor from the 1910's (highly unlikely, but ok) she would be more European than OP. So she must has at least one Brazilian grandparent.

[Livin]

My parents

https://i.imgur.com/S0xQfrm.png

I am the only who founds her daddy mestizo?:confused:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

If I have to take the phenotype of this girl she looks 100% white!

Zero ssa or native armenidian in this female individual.

As for the results as I told you,she may have an ancestor who hide his foreign background,or someone from her familly was adopted and stuff like that.

But from phenotype this girl is 1000000% white caucasoid.

For someone to score 10% non-European ancestry on 23andMe as a Portuguese it has to be recent, it can't be just "foreign ancestry hidden and passed on generation to generation".

That sounds even more unlikely when you add into consideration the region she claims to be, Barcelos.

So, either she is a sock or she is adopted or she is a Brazilian who was told all her life that all her ancestors were Portuguese and turned out to not be true.

It is not the first time Brazilian members (even on TA) were expecting to score +95% European or so because that's what their families told them and it turned out to be way lower than that.

[Restless Kiwi]

another one

https://i.imgur.com/fFMz0Bp.png

[alnortedelsur]

Her results are similiar to whites from Rio de janeiro.

My results are close to hers, and to Brazilian whites, in general.

[Kivan]

I am the only who founds her daddy mestizo?:confused:

Looks Berid.

[Bell Beaker]

For someone to score 10% non-European ancestry on 23andMe as a Portuguese it has to be recent, it can't be just "foreign ancestry hidden and passed on generation to generation".

That sounds even more unlikely when you add into consideration the region she claims to be, Barcelos.

So, either she is a sock or she is adopted or she is a Brazilian who was told all her life that all her ancestors were Portuguese and turned out to not be true.

It is not the first time Brazilian members (even on TA) were expecting to score +95% European or so because that's what their families told them and it turned out to be way lower than that.

Northern Portugal was always a source of immigrants to Brazil, there is one Portuguese youtuber, Wuant who is 1/4 Brazilian being from Aveiro.

[Morena]

I am the only who founds her daddy mestizo?:confused:

No. her SSA/Amerind came from her father.

[Zuh]

Brazil is Portugal's biggest son follow by Cape verde:thumb001:

[frankhammer]

Also your Italian is high.. That points to Brazil.

And without speaking of the native you have wich is exactly catalogated as Brazilian native.

You have some ancestors who lied to You

Or the information was lost over generations. The Portuguese were seafarers and colonisers too. There's no need to call anyone a liar...

[Livin]

Looks Berid.

The eyes gives me armenidian vibe...

[RMuller]

Maybe one of your parents is Brazilian,that's what your genetic results indicates.

[Livin]

No. her SSA/Amerind came from her father.

Her father looks Southern American as fuck.

I could pass him as mexican tbh.

[Livin]

For someone to score 10% non-European ancestry on 23andMe as a Portuguese it has to be recent, it can't be just "foreign ancestry hidden and passed on generation to generation".

That sounds even more unlikely when you add into consideration the region she claims to be, Barcelos.

So, either she is a sock or she is adopted or she is a Brazilian who was told all her life that all her ancestors were Portuguese and turned out to not be true.

It is not the first time Brazilian members (even on TA) were expecting to score +95% European or so because that's what their families told them and it turned out to be way lower than that.


I think her father has foreign roots!

Her mother looks kinda Iberian.

[Drusilla]

Her results are similiar to whites from Rio de janeiro.

How white looking are they? Whiter or close to this girl?

Maybe some ancestor worked there and married when the Kingdom of Portugal was transferred there.

[Leto]

Looks a bit like Nicolás Maduro and Maduro identifies as brown/mixed.

[GiCa]

Or the information was lost over generations. The Portuguese were seafarers and colonisers too. There's no need to call anyone a liar...

Yes. This is not my personal intention to Offend her. But it just need an ancestor who didn t know well his history to loose the track of the genes.

That, or as you said normal ancient interchange between a country and his colony through commerce and people coming and going.

[Restless Kiwi]

my traits


https://i.imgur.com/LUDA9GF.png

[Livin]

my traits


https://i.imgur.com/LUDA9GF.png


You have to do now Gedmatch results.

They will help you more I guess.

[Aren]

People have no shame really, the way some of you guys write about her ancestors and parents is pretty fucked up

[Leto]

For someone to score 10% non-European ancestry on 23andMe as a Portuguese it has to be recent, it can't be just "foreign ancestry hidden and passed on generation to generation".

That sounds even more unlikely when you add into consideration the region she claims to be, Barcelos.

So, either she is a sock or she is adopted or she is a Brazilian who was told all her life that all her ancestors were Portuguese and turned out to not be true.

It is not the first time Brazilian members (even on TA) were expecting to score +95% European or so because that's what their families told them and it turned out to be way lower than that.
Would you seriously not accept her in Portugal? She is 90% European, 50% Iberian, looks white, speaks the language, etc.

[Heather Duval]

How white looking are they? Whiter or close to this girl?

Maybe some ancestor worked there and married when the Kingdom of Portugal was transferred there.

There are dna studies about it, here it is:
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

I think her family is from Rio de janeiro because she scored more SSA than indigenous. Im sure she lives in Portugal now because her written Portuguese isnt Brazilian.

[Restless Kiwi]

more of my dad

https://i.imgur.com/MfOr5E1.png
https://i.imgur.com/HLpDpAb.png

[Drusilla]

And she didn't even know she wasn't fully European until her results came in.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Would you seriously not accept her in Portugal? She is 90% European, 50% Iberian, looks white, speaks the language, etc.

It is not about if I accept her or not. I find dubious that someone joins and starts posting her results (who are extremely unusual), her personal photos, family, etc. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I am not.

[GiCa]

Or the genetic company made a mistake by unwillingly and accidentally confusing her results with others of another person

[Livin]

more of my dad

https://i.imgur.com/MfOr5E1.png
https://i.imgur.com/HLpDpAb.png

I think your father has some native armenidian due to portugesse colonization probably.

He dosnt look fully iberian to me!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

A comer um belo bitoque não é verdade? Vives em Portugal?

[Bell Beaker]

I think your father has some native armenidian due to portugesse colonization probably.

He dosnt look fully iberian to me!

These two persons look Portuguese, and what he is eating is a "Bitoque", so the persons in question are probably Portuguese.

[Bell Beaker]

Or the genetic company made a mistake by unwillingly and accidentally confusing her results with others of another person

That is posible.

[Heather Duval]

Or the genetic company made a mistake by unwillingly and accidentally confusing her results with others of another person

Or may it that was some illuminatis fault.

[Morena]

The dad looks mixed to me. I think she's got Brazilian on her father's side, but no one mentioned anything about it probably to keep everything under the woodpile, so to speak.

[Heather Duval]

impossível é ser tratada assim, como se estivesse a mentir-te.

Yes youre Portuguese. In Brazil normal creature would say "Como se eu tivesse mentindo pra você"

[Restless Kiwi]

A comer um belo bitoque não é verdade? Vives em Portugal?

Agora estou em Espanha. Meu pai vive em Portugal.

[Catarinense1998]

Very cool results.Next month I Will buy my dna test and probably I Will get the same result but trading the SSA for the native influence.

[Heather Duval]

E eu que esperei 3 anos pela chegada de um(a) Norte Português(a). Então vamos à prova dos nove, de que clube és?

Vc acredita que ela seja descendente de Brasileiros? Eu diria que ela é daquela coisa chamada "Ilha da Madeira", mas mudei de opinião quando li Native American.

[Restless Kiwi]

E eu que esperei 3 anos pela chegada de um(a) Norte Português(a). Então vamos à prova dos nove, de que clube és?

Não me interesso por futebol.

[Bell Beaker]

E eu que esperei 3 anos pela chegada de um(a) Norte Português(a). Então vamos à prova dos nove, de que clube és?

Gil Vicente caralho.

[Rouxinol]

Agora estou em Espanha. Meu pai vive em Portugal.

Esqueceste-te do artigo definido na segunda frase.

[Lucas Rodrigues]

Brasileiros costumavam ir para Portugal no tempo do Brasil colonial para fazer faculdade, talvez tu sejas descendente de algum que ficou por aí.
E não só brancos iam, iam mutalos e com certeza cablocos também iam, de qualquer forma até os mulatos têm ascendência indígena.

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[Drusilla]

Vc acredita que ela seja descendente de Brasileiros? Eu diria que ela é daquela coisa chamada "Ilha da Madeira", mas mudei de opinião quando li Native American.

I know that many people lie in here, but they usually lie because they want to pass as Nordic. She could be lying or a sock, but I think she's really confused. She seems like she's trying to understand what happened. She believed she was fully Portuguese and she's not. She could have Madeira, Açores or Brazilian ancestry. Who knows. Someone could have been adopted. Show more compassion.

[Alcuin52]

So how did you manage the 3.1% Native American?

It even says 'Brazil' :picard2:

5% Sub-Saharan and 3% Amerindian is a lot

I would suggest a great-grandparent who was a Zambo or something, but then surely that would mean your grandparent and/or parent would be distinctly un-European in appearance?

[Catarinense1998]

Brasileiros costumavam ir para Portugal no tempo do Brasil colonial para fazer faculdade, talvez tu sejas descendente de algum que ficou por aí.
E não só brancos iam, iam mutalos e com certeza cablocos também iam, de qualquer forma até os mulatos têm ascendência indígena.

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Only people with rich family.The riches gauchos farmers sent them childs to study in France.

[Heather Duval]

Brasileiros costumavam ir para Portugal no tempo do Brasil colonial para fazer faculdade, talvez tu sejas descendente de algum que ficou por aí.
E não só brancos iam, iam mutalos e com certeza cablocos também iam, de qualquer forma até os mulatos têm ascendência indígena.

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Apenas mulatos filhos de fazendeiros ricos. A Chica Da Silva(mulata que casou-se com um branco rico) enviou vários de seus filhos para Portugal....

[Lucas Rodrigues]

Não só eles, ou tu achas que não existia nenhum cabloco rico naquela época?

Apenas mulatos filhos de fazendeiros ricos. A Chica Da Silva(mulata que casou-se com um branco rico) enviou vários de seus filhos para Portugal....

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[Lucas Rodrigues]

Yes, only rich people.
Gauchos are basically Iberian+natives.
But I have heard they used to be sent to France
Only people with rich family.The riches gauchos farmers sent them childs to study in France.

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[Catarinense1998]

Yes, only rich people.
Gauchos are basically Iberian+natives.
But I have heard they used to be sent to France

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"Iberian + natives" - kkkk.There is a lot of SSA influenece in some areas and a lot of pure europeans in interior areas and serra gaúcha."Iberian + native" law only work exclusivelly to campanha region.

[Maintenance]

For a second i thought i accidently entered taco section of the forum.

[Lucas Rodrigues]

I am talking about phenotype.
In Brazil nobody cares if you have SSA influence, unless that influence is visible
"Iberian + natives" - kkkk.There is a lot of SSA influenece in some areas and a lot of pure europeans in interior areas and serra gaúcha."Iberian + native" law only work exclusivelly to campanha region.

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Fora de brincadeiras, se realmente precisares de ajuda a interpretar os teus resultados o melhor que tens a fazer é descarregar a tua Raw Data do 23andMe e fazer o upload para o Gedmatch.

A tua família é toda de Barcelos?

[Heather Duval]

Não só eles, ou tu achas que não existia nenhum cabloco rico naquela época?


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Eu na verdade me referia a "mulatos', não falei sobre caboclos. Eu quis dizer que apenas os mulatos filhos de fazendeiros ricos e não todos os mulatos. Você entendeu errado.

[Lucas Rodrigues]

Anyway, I was talking about the colonial Brazil, before Germans and other Europeans arrive in RS.
And gauchos were originated in Argentina or Chile, than they migrate to souther Brazil
"Iberian + natives" - kkkk.There is a lot of SSA influenece in some areas and a lot of pure europeans in interior areas and serra gaúcha."Iberian + native" law only work exclusivelly to campanha region.

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[Lucas Rodrigues]

Ah sim
Eu na verdade me referia a "mulatos', não falei sobre caboclos. Eu quis dizer que apenas os mulatos filhos de fazendeiros ricos e não todos os mulatos. Você entendeu errado.

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[Lucas Rodrigues]

The true gauchohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180621/5d90df6104c84c3310c8841228a5a921.jpg

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[Heather Duval]

"Iberian + natives" - kkkk.There is a lot of SSA influenece in some areas and a lot of pure europeans in interior areas and serra gaúcha."Iberian + native" law only work exclusivelly to campanha region.

Gaúchos from Pelotas do score SSA.

[Smaug]

Yeah, looks like a white Brazilian or half Braz half Port. Anyway, you're strictly 1/2 Portuguese which looks cool.

Too mixed to be a White Brazilian. Maybe a light pardo.

[Yaglakar]

Surprising results, Iberians usually score roughly 30% SSA.

[Heather Duval]

Too mixed to be a White Brazilian. Maybe a light pardo.

LOL
Plenty of folks in Brazil would say shes white and she would also be self declared white here

[Leto]

Too mixed to be a White Brazilian. Maybe a light pardo.
Lol, in Brazil whites are far from 99-100% European. Alnortedelsur is white in Venezuela for example and he is only 86-87%

[Heather Duval]

The true gauchohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180621/5d90df6104c84c3310c8841228a5a921.jpg

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Fake. Its Andressa Urach
https://i.imgur.com/jajgfwN.gif

[Smaug]

Lol, in Brazil whites are far from 99-100% European. Alnortedelsur is white in Venezuela for example and he is only 86-87%

There are plenty of people of pure European ancestry in Brazil.

[Heather Duval]

Lol, in Brazil whites are far from 99-100% European. Alnortedelsur is white in Venezuela for example and he is only 86-87%

According to Argentano threads, most are in average 80% European.

[Restless Kiwi]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.07
2 West_Med 22.82
3 East_Med 13.67
4 Baltic 12.6
5 Sub-Saharan 8.12
6 West_Asian 5.96
7 Amerindian 3.07
8 Red_Sea 2.74
9 Oceanian 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 11.61
2 Portuguese 12.18
3 Spanish_Extremadura 12.29
4 Spanish_Galicia 12.65
5 Spanish_Murcia 13.72
6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.97
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.02
8 Spanish_Andalucia 14.23
9 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
10 Tuscan 14.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.14
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.54
13 French 15.81
14 Southwest_French 17.11
15 Romanian 17.11
16 Spanish_Aragon 17.65
17 Bulgarian 18
18 Serbian 18.08
19 Greek_Thessaly 18.1
20 West_Sicilian 18.63

[Heather Duval]

OP is white skinned as fuck. Here in Rio shed be considered just another cracker.

[Maintenance]

Do you have any full body picture?

Sometimes that help.

[Leto]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.07
2 West_Med 22.82
3 East_Med 13.67
4 Baltic 12.6
5 Sub-Saharan 8.12
6 West_Asian 5.96
7 Amerindian 3.07
8 Red_Sea 2.74
9 Oceanian 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 11.61
2 Portuguese 12.18
3 Spanish_Extremadura 12.29
4 Spanish_Galicia 12.65
5 Spanish_Murcia 13.72
6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.97
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.02
8 Spanish_Andalucia 14.23
9 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
10 Tuscan 14.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.14
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.54
13 French 15.81
14 Southwest_French 17.11
15 Romanian 17.11
16 Spanish_Aragon 17.65
17 Bulgarian 18
18 Serbian 18.08
19 Greek_Thessaly 18.1
20 West_Sicilian 18.63
Post MDLP World too.

[Restless Kiwi]

Do you have any full body picture?

Sometimes that help.

Ehm ok.


https://i.imgur.com/38m94Fn.png

[Heather Duval]

Self declared whites in Rio de janeiro arent even over 90% European in average
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

Self declared whites in Northeast are less European, tho
https://i.imgur.com/NwwoMPw.png

And then, OP scored more European than them.

[Restless Kiwi]

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.05
2 North-East-European 29.45
3 Near_East 9.79
4 Sub-Saharian 9.45
5 West-Asian 6.16
6 North-European-Mesolithic 3.38
7 South-America_Amerind 1.85
8 Austronesian 1.6
9 Indo-Iranian 1.46
10 North-Amerind 0.46
11 Arctic-Amerind 0.3
12 Indo-Tibetan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Puerto-Rican (derived) 10.68
2 Swiss (derived) 12.21
3 Portugese (derived) 12.9
4 Italian_North (derived) 13.33
5 Provancestralal (derived) 13.41
6 Iberian (derived) 14.86
7 Italian-North (derived) 14.87
8 Romania (derived) 15.3
9 Corsican (derived) 15.69
10 French (derived) 15.81
11 Bulgarian (derived) 15.85
12 Montenegrin (derived) 16.24
13 Spaniard (derived) 16.28
14 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 16.37
15 Macedonian (derived) 16.43
16 German-South (derived) 16.66
17 Gagauz (derived) 16.9
18 Kosovar (derived) 17.61
19 Serbian (derived) 17.99
20 Greek_South (derived) 18.02

[Livin]

There is someone from her familly with colonial roots,definetly!!!

Probably from her father.

[Maintenance]

Greek_south

Nice!

[Leto]

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.05
2 North-East-European 29.45
3 Near_East 9.79
4 Sub-Saharian 9.45
5 West-Asian 6.16
6 North-European-Mesolithic 3.38
7 South-America_Amerind 1.85
8 Austronesian 1.6
9 Indo-Iranian 1.46
10 North-Amerind 0.46
11 Arctic-Amerind 0.3
12 Indo-Tibetan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Puerto-Rican (derived) 10.68
2 Swiss (derived) 12.21
3 Portugese (derived) 12.9
4 Italian_North (derived) 13.33
5 Provancestralal (derived) 13.41
6 Iberian (derived) 14.86
7 Italian-North (derived) 14.87
8 Romania (derived) 15.3
9 Corsican (derived) 15.69
10 French (derived) 15.81
11 Bulgarian (derived) 15.85
12 Montenegrin (derived) 16.24
13 Spaniard (derived) 16.28
14 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 16.37
15 Macedonian (derived) 16.43
16 German-South (derived) 16.66
17 Gagauz (derived) 16.9
18 Kosovar (derived) 17.61
19 Serbian (derived) 17.99
20 Greek_South (derived) 18.02
It's not MDLP World.

[Restless Kiwi]

It's not MDLP World.

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 45.51
2 North_and_East_European 23.35
3 Sub_Saharian 9.91
4 Middle_East 9.5
5 Caucaus_Parsia 7.48
6 Mesoamerican 2.01
7 Melanesian 1.13
8 Arctic_Amerind 1.05
9 Indian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Puerto-Rican 10.17
2 Swiss 11.46
3 Portugese 12.39
4 Provancal 12.61
5 Italian_North 12.8
6 Bulgarian 13.05
7 Montenegrin 13.13
8 Macedonian 13.33
9 Romania 13.38
10 Serbian 14.1
11 Italian-North 14.34
12 Gagauz 14.43
13 Iberian 14.51
14 Corsican 15.38
15 German-South 15.41
16 French 15.48
17 Spaniard 15.81
18 Bosnian 16.8
19 Ashkenazim_V 16.9
20 Kosovar 17.89

[Restless Kiwi]

Where are your known family from? Barcelos area only?

To my knowledge yes.

[Latinus]

Gaúchos from Pelotas do score SSA.

Not all of them. Stop blackwashing Gaúchos.

[Heather Duval]

Not all of them. Stop blackwashing Gaúchos.

How do you know not all from them? Pelotas is the blackest city in Brazil by self declaration. And all of them tested scored SSA.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

P.S. Viriato can help you with the interpretation of your results.


I can but we will have to do it in Portuguese, surely that's not a problem for her. We can all express ourselves better in our native language.

[Latinus]

How do you know not all from them? Pelotas is the blackest city in Brazil by self declaration. And all of them tested scored SSA.

Because there are good numbers of fully Euros in Southern Brazil. You have to stop with this "everybody in Brazil has SSA".

[Heather Duval]

Because there are good numbers of fully Euros in Southern Brazil. You have to stop with this "everybody in Brazil has SSA".

Pelotas has little to do with your southern concept. Pelotas is as colonial as Rio de Janeiro. If you're talking about SC, and others part of RS it's another story.

[Token]

You are Brazilian, no doubt about that.

[Heather Duval]

You are Brazilian, no doubt about that.

You as Gaucho, do you think Pelotas is a place full of pure whites?

[Latinus]

Pelotas has little to do with your southern concept. Pelotas is as colonial as Rio de Janeiro. If you're talking about SC, and others part of RS it's another story.

Not all the people there are colonials. Just like not all Cariocas are colonial.

[Heather Duval]

Not all the people there are colonials. Just like not all Cariocas are colonial.

At no point did I say that the people of Pelotas are all mixed with NA or Negroes. I just said that the Pelotas gaúchos score SSA. And I do not mind that "not all", the majority are the best to be judged. In Rio pure whites are minorities, and I must say that in Pelotas as well.

[Latinus]

At no point did I say that the people of Pelotas are all mixed with NA or Negroes. I just said that the Pelotas gaúchos score SSA. And I do not mind that "not all", the majority are the best to be judged. In Rio pure whites are minorities, and I must say that in Pelotas as well.

I know that. I just said that pure whites exist there and not all of them are colonial.

[skain]

You as Gaucho, do you think Pelotas is a place full of pure whites?

I am not gaúcho. But Pelotas is Very white. Despite the SSA influence. Is more white than campanha gaúcha.

[Token]

You as Gaucho, do you think Pelotas is a place full of pure whites?

Full of white Brazilians yes, not pure whites. Huge cities in general have a insignificant percentage of pure white people. Now, go to the rural areas of Teutônia and Westfália and most people will be fully European and predominantly or fully Germanic.

[Catarinense1998]

Self declared whites in Rio de janeiro arent even over 90% European in average
https://i.imgur.com/IshrBYH.png

Self declared whites in Northeast are less European, tho
https://i.imgur.com/NwwoMPw.png

And then, OP scored more European than them.

Post about the south statistics too, please If you can.I'm very curious.I never asked nothing to you : /

[Token]

Post about the south statistics too, please If you can.I'm very curious.I never asked nothing to you : /

It is the same as Rio, because they only test people from metropolitan areas.

[Heather Duval]

I know that. I just said that pure whites exist there and not all of them are colonial.

LOL.
This is not even the point. The boy said that Gauchos does not have SSA genes, and Catarinense said they have. I agreed that Catarinense is not lying because many in Pelotas score SSA. Colonial whites, people from Minas Gerais are the whiter by far.

Colonial from Pelotas
http://i47.tinypic.com/6zms5s.jpg

Ceará
http://i49.tinypic.com/2m2vts9.jpg

Minas
http://i50.tinypic.com/9geepu.jpg

And the results of majority white Brazilians is always predictable not to be over 80% European.

[Heather Duval]

Post about the south statistics too, please If you can.I'm very curious.I never asked nothing to you : /

Ive only seen about Porto Alegre and is the same as Rio. You know why.

[Catarinense1998]

You are Brazilian, no doubt about that.

I trust in her.Maybe some grandparent traveled to Portugal; or she is a troll.

[Catarinense1998]

Ive only seen about Porto Alegre and is the same as Rio. You know why.

Ok, thanks nevertheless.

[Heather Duval]

Full of white Brazilians yes, not pure whites. Huge cities in general have a insignificant percentage of pure white people. Now, go to the rural areas of Teutônia and Westfália and most people will be fully European and predominantly or fully Germanic.

Its ridiculous defend racial purity of the South and talking about Pelotas in the same time. I believe SC has many pure whites, but they are surely a minority in Pelotas. As well I believe many RS cities have more pure whites than Pelotas

[Thot Whisperer]

if I were you I would delete the family pics, it should not be posted on a forum like this.

[Catarinense1998]

Its ridiculous defend racial purity of the South and talking about Pelotas in the same time. I believe SC has many pure whites, but they are surely a minority in Pelotas. As well I believe many RS cities have more pure whites than Pelotas

Even among the old settlements of azoreans in Floripa exist mixed persons.I posted a mestrado work about these actual population that shows amomg the selfdeclared whites the european heritage varied between 80,6-93,3% without the MENA imput.95% cromossomo Y (father heritage) analyzed were from Iberia; and 15% cromossomo X (mother heritage) from SSA and natives, the rest from Iberia.

[Heather Duval]

Ok, thanks nevertheless.

Dont worry, youll not score ssa. I would be surprised tbh if u do. Pelotas had slavery therefore is colonial. SC isnt colonial for that simple reason.

[Catarinense1998]

Dont worry, youll not score ssa. I would be surprised tbh if u do. Pelotas had slavery therefore is colonial. SC isnt colonial for that simple reason.

I dont care if I score SSA or no.I can perfectly score 1-5% like this girl in OP.

[Latinus]

For Christ's sake, I know that people with SSA ancestry can be found on the southern region. Why don't you show this to that guy instead of me?

[skain]

Dont worry, youll not score ssa. I would be surprised tbh if u do. Pelotas had slavery therefore is colonial. SC isnt colonial for that simple reason.
What the fuck are you talking about. Pelotas was formed by Azorean immigrants. Same thing as Florianopolis. The difference is that Pelotas used slave labor to work with Ch'arki.

[Heather Duval]

Even among the old settlements of azoreans in Floripa exist mixed persons.I posted a mestrado work about these actual population that shows amomg the selfdeclared whites the european heritage varied between 80,6-93,3% without the MENA imput.95% cromossomo Y (father heritage) analyzed were from Iberia; and 15% cromossomo X (mother heritage) from SSA and natives, the rest from Iberia.

I believe there are many pure whites in SC, some places of Paraná and RS. The thing is: Many Europeans in RS mixed with colonial Gauchos who had indigenous input. I believe ssa input is more common in Pelotas than RS as a whole. Which it doesnt mean all gauchos are not pure whites. U said Gauchos have ssa input when that guy told u true gauchos are mixed with natives. I agreed with your post because lots in Pelotas have ssa input, but they dont represent the whole RS. I was acused of blackwashing RS lol

[Heather Duval]

For Christ's sake, I know that people with SSA ancestry can be found on the southern region. Why don't you show this to that guy instead of me?

Then why were u complaining? Catarinense replied that guy who said gauchos are mixed with only natives, he(Catarinense) said many folks from RS scores ssa. I replied Catarinense and showed hes right because colonial folks from Pelotas scores SSA. You just got mad for that and magically had the conclusion that i said all gauchos have ssa input.

[Latinus]

Then why were u complaining? Catarinense replied that guy who said gauchos are mixed with only natives, he(Catarinense) said many folks from RS scores ssa. I replied Catarinense and showed hes right because colonial folks from Pelotas scores SSA. You just got mad for that and magically had the conclusion that i said all gauchos have ssa input.

I never thought that.

[Black Panther]

Then why were u complaining? Catarinense replied that guy who said gauchos are mixed with only natives, he(Catarinense) said many folks from RS scores ssa. I replied Catarinense and showed hes right because colonial folks from Pelotas scores SSA. You just got mad for that and magically had the conclusion that i said all gauchos have ssa input.

Why do people even complain about this? Brazil is far more SSA than Native (thank God).

[Catarinense1998]

Why do people even complain about this? Brazil is far more SSA than Native (thank God).

The farrapos's infantry was composed mainly by blacks and poor whites in Farroupilha Revolution.Pelotas only was rich in 19 century thanks slavery.Only 30% of Pelotas population was white in 19 century.

[Heather Duval]

Why do people even complain about this? Brazil is far more SSA than Native (thank God).

I believe RS is more native than ssa if u dont count Pelotas. Next time i will say "dna studies may say average folks from pelotas have ssa but there are many pure whites there" otherwise, id be acused of blackwashing RS for judging a group based on the majority like i didnt know even in Bahia u have pure whites.

[Heather Duval]

The farrapos's infantry was composed mainly by blacks and poor whites in Farroupilha Revolution.Pelotas only was rich in 19 century thanks slavery.Only 30% of Pelotas population was white in 19 century.

Oh, youre blackwashing them because there are many pure whites there surroudend by white mongrels. Folks here blackwashes Bahia coz u dont remember Ivete is white!

[Catarinense1998]

Oh, youre blackwashing them because there are many pure whites there surroudend by white mongrels. Folks here blackwashes Bahia coz u dont remember Ivete is white!

I'm not blackwashing anything.Just check in books and internet about the farroupilha army

[Smaug]

LOL
Plenty of folks in Brazil would say shes white and she would also be self declared white here

She is 10% non-European, this would certainly show up on her phenotype.

[Heather Duval]

She is 10% non-European, this would certainly show up on her phenotype.

Well in dna studies average self declared whites in Brazil are less European than her. Plus folks in this thread said she looks white. Idk whats your point, im sure shed be white in all over Brazil.

[CYKA]

Acho que esta rapariga e brasileira.

[Catarinense1998]

Acho que esta rapariga e brasileira.

E tu também.

[CYKA]

I am the only who founds her daddy mestizo?:confused:
Not mestizo but very brazilian looking, she does too to me.

[Myanthropologies]

Is it possible in the case of Azoreans wich have as standard as 5% subsaharian African, but without the native American.

Some Portuguese-Americans from a certain town score as much as 10% even.

[CYKA]

E tu também.


Eu? Tu estas muito errada , eu sou Indio (norteAmericano) puro,
caralho

[Sikeliot]

The Native American implies New World, so likely Brazilian...

[Sikeliot]

Some Portuguese-Americans from a certain town score as much as 10% even.

Madeira

[CYKA]

Tres opcoes

1) tu es adoptada
2) tu es brasileira
3) tu es uma troll

[Latinus]

I doubt a troll would post pictures of herself and family.

[Damião de Góis]

Some Portuguese-Americans from a certain town score as much as 10% even.

Which town is that? Sikeliotville?

[CYKA]

I doubt a troll would post pictures of herself and family.

Erm...quantas vezes eu postei fotos da minha familia(hint..muitas,caralho)? Tambem pode ser que ela esta a postar fotos do internet.

[Heather Duval]

"do internet" that sounds too ugly
thats why i prefer our portuguese wich would be "da internet"

[Chaos One]

Eu não sei se compensaria você subir o resultado no Geneplaza por exemplo pra ver se sai algo diferente. No meu caso, os resultados do FTDNA e do MyHeritage ficaram totalmente diferentes, logo acho possível que isso aconteça no seu caso. Como é de graça, vale a pena tentar.

[Dunai]

Her parents look Portuguese, she also looks very Portuguese in my opinion, not even the more darker pigmented Mediterranean type, but for some mysterious reason these results seem to totally contradict it. These results completely say that she has very recent none-European great grandparents, or maybe they were born in Portugal, but one of them had very high amount of West African and Native American genetic component. It is bizarre though that this wasn't transmitted at all to neither her or the parents in the physical department. One of the strangest results so far that I encountered.

[Leto]

Her parents look Portuguese, she also looks very Portuguese in my opinion, not even the more darker pigmented Mediterranean type, but for some mysterious reason these results seem to totally contradict it. These results completely say that she has very recent none-European great grandparents, or maybe they were born in Portugal, but one of them had very high amount of West African and Native American genetic component. It is bizarre though that this wasn't transmitted at all to neither her or the parents in the physical department. One of the strangest results so far that I encountered.
Not really. Still too many people think that being like 10% non-European automatically means looking mixed race. That's not the case. Look at this girl:

These results are from a half Venezuelan girl that is NOT a relative of mine. There is a youtube video of her:


https://youtu.be/YQVQXPSmh6M

European 77.5%
- British & Irish (Ireland) 24.8%
- Iberian 15.2%
- Balkan (Greece) 6.4%
- Eastern European 3.0%
- Italian 1.2%
- French & German 1.0%
- Ashkenazi Jewish 0.4%
- broadly Southern European 14.4%
- broadly Northwestern European 4.6%
- broadly European 6.6%

East Asian & Native American 11.7%
- Native American (Venezuela) 10.6%
- broadly East Asian 0.1%
- broadly East Asian & Native American 1.1%

Sub-Saharan African 6.9%
- West African 5.4%
- African Hunter-Gatherer 0.2%
- East African 0.1%
- broadly Sub-Saharan African 1.3%

Western Asian & North African 0.5%
- North African & Arabian 0.2%
- broadly Western Asian & North African 0.3%

Unassigned - 3.4%
Honestly she looks more than 78% to me

And what about this guy?

I've found an interesting Mexican guy. He looks quite European to me despite being around 30% non-Caucasoid.


https://youtu.be/5jLvOywSlls

69.1% European
24.7% East Asian & Native American
1.9% Western Asian & North African
1.4% Sub-Saharan African
2.9% unassigned

For more details watch the video

[Cuore di Tenebra]

So she was a troll in the end? She is disappeared already, or she is just gone because of anthrotardism?

[Longbowman]

Doesn't have to be non-paternity - could just be that no one told you you were, say, 1/16 or maybe 1/8 Brazilian, or 1/16 Azorean 1/16 Brazilian or some such. It happens. I didn't know I was 1/16 Indian [Jewish] until I was 22 and doing heavy research.

[MEDACHE]

So she was a troll in the end? She is disappeared already, or she is just gone because of anthrotardism?

She said she's experiencing a nervous breakdown.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

She said she's experiencing a nervous breakdown.

Oh, ok then. ;)

[alnortedelsur]

Her parents look Portuguese, she also looks very Portuguese in my opinion, not even the more darker pigmented Mediterranean type, but for some mysterious reason these results seem to totally contradict it. These results completely say that she has very recent none-European great grandparents, or maybe they were born in Portugal, but one of them had very high amount of West African and Native American genetic component. It is bizarre though that this wasn't transmitted at all to neither her or the parents in the physical department. One of the strangest results so far that I encountered.

My own case is very similar to hers, and I am even a bit more Amerindian, and only 1% less SSA than her, and I don't look "obviously mixed".

[Sp_loa]

Doesn't have to be non-paternity - could just be that no one told you you were, say, 1/16 or maybe 1/8 Brazilian, or 1/16 Azorean 1/16 Brazilian or some such. It happens. I didn't know I was 1/16 Indian [Jewish] until I was 22 and doing heavy research.

You are 1/16 Indian Jewish????
You are Ashkenazi-Sephardi-Mizrahi-Indian Jewish mix. a walking melting pot ;)

[Longbowman]

You are 1/16 Indian Jewish????
You are Ashkenazi-Sephardi-Mizrahi-Indian Jewish mix. a walking melting pot ;)

The Indian is Mizrakhi

[Sp_loa]

The Indian is Mizrakhi

In Israel they are not considered as Mizrahim (Although I can understand why you would because we are talking about Jews from the Babylonian Diaspora).
Genetically speaking some say Indian Jews don't even have levantine roots and are completely South Asian by blood.

[Longbowman]

In Israel they are not considered as Mizrahim (Although I can understand why you would because we are talking about Jews from the Babylonian Diaspora).
Genetically speaking some say Indian Jews don't even have levantine roots and are completely South Asian by blood.

Baghdadi Jews are Mizrakhim. I'm not talking about Bnei Ephraim or Bnei Menashe or Malabar Jews (only the former of which is fully South Asian).

[Sp_loa]

Baghdadi Jews are Mizrakhim. I'm not talking about Bnei Ephraim or Bnei Menashe or Malabar Jews (only the former of which is fully South Asian).

Ahhh your Iraqi Jewish side is from India... Here only the South-Asian blooded Jews identify as Indian-Jews. Baghdadi Jews say they are Iraqi Jews even if their families came from India.

[Longbowman]

Ahhh your Iraqi Jewish side is from India... Here only the South-Asian blooded Jews identify as Indian-Jews. Baghdadi Jews say they are Iraqi Jews even if their families came from India.

My family doesn't say it's Iraqi at all, of course. They ended up in China anyway.

[Sp_loa]

My family doesn't say it's Iraqi at all, of course. They ended up in China anyway.

China? Cool.
Talking about Jews and China- there is this group of Kaifeng Jews. I wonder if they still have some levantine blood as they mixed with local Chinese for centuries.

[Longbowman]

China? Cool.
Talking about Jews and China- there is this group of Kaifeng Jews. I wonder if they still have some levantine blood as they mixed with local Chinese for centuries.

Minute amounts of Persian blood. Like the Hui.

[Insuperable]

International statistics say that 1 baby on 10 is not the biological son of the father.

But that probably is not her case (it just need an ancestor who cheated)

That wouldn't be the real statistics you are having in mind. That international statistics is about those fathers who had doubt they are real fathers and who wanted to do a test. It doesn't concern the average Joe. One doctor said having that in mind 1 in 10 is actually very good.

[Insuperable]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.07
2 West_Med 22.82
3 East_Med 13.67
4 Baltic 12.6
5 Sub-Saharan 8.12
6 West_Asian 5.96
7 Amerindian 3.07
8 Red_Sea 2.74
9 Oceanian 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 11.61
2 Portuguese 12.18
3 Spanish_Extremadura 12.29
4 Spanish_Galicia 12.65
5 Spanish_Murcia 13.72
6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.97
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.02
8 Spanish_Andalucia 14.23
9 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
10 Tuscan 14.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.14
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.54
13 French 15.81
14 Southwest_French 17.11
15 Romanian 17.11
16 Spanish_Aragon 17.65
17 Bulgarian 18
18 Serbian 18.08
19 Greek_Thessaly 18.1
20 West_Sicilian 18.63

You are definitely not fully Portuguese.

[Nico Nobrix]

Your Brazilian. I'm full Portuguese and dont have native American and 1.1% SSA

[Ayetooey]

Portuguese often have black blood. There were these people called the Moors you see.

[Dick]

Portuguese often have black blood. There were these people called the Moors you see.

Look under the “Native American”. It says brazil

[Ayetooey]

Look under the “Native American”. It says brazil

Damn you Dick.

[El_Abominacion]

Are you one of those Brazilians who's family constantly emphasize how white/Portuguese they are?

[Leto]

Portuguese often have black blood. There were these people called the Moors you see.
Were they 'black-blooded'? Even Moroccans are only 20% SSA on average.

[Ayetooey]

Were they 'black-blooded'? Even Moroccans are only 20% SSA on average.

Most were just berber, but there are darker "black" berber tribes from the South that were part of the Moors, and some Moors were depicted as Black in paintings and described as black skinned in literary sources. SSA and North African dna is present within Iberia, so there's defo some admixture there from SSA, though the majority of it is of North African origin, probably through normal berbers who had small amounts of SSA admixture themselves.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Map_of_African_admixture_in_European_populations.p ng

[Nico Nobrix]

We never had any madeiran poster here and Sikeliot's "madeirans" are anything but reliable.

I'm full Madeiran. 23 and me says I'm 77% iberian, 3.4% northwest european 7% Italian and 1.2% SSA

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Why was this thread bumped on? Bell Beaker found the results circulating on a Brazilian genetics Facebook group plus the "Portuguese" girl that posted these results, which turned out to be Brazilian. The guy who posted these stolen results was just a troll who vanished from TA afterwards.

[Dick]

Most were just berber, but there are darker "black" berber tribes from the South that were part of the Moors, and some Moors were depicted as Black in paintings and described as black skinned in literary sources. SSA and North African dna is present within Iberia, so there's defo some admixture there from SSA, though the majority of it is of North African origin, probably through normal berbers who had small amounts of SSA admixture themselves.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Map_of_African_admixture_in_European_populations.p ng
I’m pretty sure there’s no “moor” ydna in Iberia which would be an indication At least

[Ayetooey]

I’m pretty sure there’s no “moor” ydna in Iberia which would be an indication At least

E-M81 is 4% in Iberia and is meant to of come recently from North Africa.

Also.

"Recent Mitochondrial DNA studies coincide in that the Iberian Peninsula holds higher levels of typically North African Haplotype U6,[18][36][44][23] as well as higher frequencies of Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup L in Portugal.[23][45][46][46][47][23] However, high frequencies are largely concentrated in the west and south of the Iberian peninsula and therefore overall frequency is higher in Portugal (6.83%) than in Spain (1.9%) with a mean frequency for the entire peninsula of 3.83%.

6 percent of Portuguese have black mamas.

[Nico Nobrix]

E-M81 is 4% in Iberia and is meant to of come recently from North Africa.

Also.

"Recent Mitochondrial DNA studies coincide in that the Iberian Peninsula holds higher levels of typically North African Haplotype U6,[18][36][44][23] as well as higher frequencies of Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup L in Portugal.[23][45][46][46][47][23] However, high frequencies are largely concentrated in the west and south of the Iberian peninsula and therefore overall frequency is higher in Portugal (6.83%) than in Spain (1.9%) with a mean frequency for the entire peninsula of 3.83%.

6 percent of Portuguese have black mamas.

That's not even true because I am apparently 1.2% Sub Saharan and my Maternal haplogroup is H7. Are you suggesting my 1.2% SSA is left over from North Africans?

[Hyoga7]

E-M81 is 4% in Iberia and is meant to of come recently from North Africa.

Also.

"Recent Mitochondrial DNA studies coincide in that the Iberian Peninsula holds higher levels of typically North African Haplotype U6,[18][36][44][23] as well as higher frequencies of Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup L in Portugal.[23][45][46][46][47][23] However, high frequencies are largely concentrated in the west and south of the Iberian peninsula and therefore overall frequency is higher in Portugal (6.83%) than in Spain (1.9%) with a mean frequency for the entire peninsula of 3.83%.

6 percent of Portuguese have black mamas.


I wouldn't trade Portuguese Mothers (black as you call it) for any other. They are one of the reasons that Portugal, one of the smallest countries in Europe, has had so much success in the World.

a) The maternal genetic make-up of the Iberian Peninsula between the Neolithic and the Early Bronze Age.
Anna Szécsényi-Nagy, Christina Roth, […]Kurt W. Alt Scientific Reportsvolume 7, Article number: 15644 (2017).
(https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15480-9#Fig1).

** "An interesting exception is haplogroup L1b in the Late Chalcolithic central Iberia at the site Camino de las Yeseras (n. 57 on Fig. 1), near Madrid.

b) 35%-65% statement:

Reconstructing ancient mitochondrial DNA links between Africa and Europe.
María Cerezo,1,7 Alessandro Achilli,2 Anna Olivieri,3 Ugo A. Perego,3,4 Alberto Gómez-Carballa,1 Francesca Brisighelli,1,5 Hovirag Lancioni,2 Scott R. Woodward,4 Manuel López-Soto,6 Ángel Carracedo,1 Cristian Capelli,5 Antonio Torroni,3 and Antonio Salas1,7,8.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3337428/).

* "A large proportion (65%) of the African-European mtDNAs investigated could be attributed to modern and well-documented demographic routes that existed during the Romanization period, the Arab conquest, and the trans-Atlantic slave trade. However, there is strong evidence pointing to the fact that the remaining 35% of the L-European mtDNAs stand as modern witnesses of sporadic population movements occurring between the two continents that might have begun as early as 11,000 yr ago (Fig. 5)."

[Nico Nobrix]

It is impossible to be full Portuguese, and score as much as 5% SSA and 3% Amerindian on 23andme.

If you have 0.1-3% sub saharan African, your probably from Southern Portugal or Madeira, maybe the Azores. 5% is a lot for Portuguese and 3% Ameridian is a tell tale sign your recent ancestors have been in brazil. White Brazillians are classified as such when they have 85-100% European DNA, almost all of them have some African and Ameridian DNA. This person is a white Brazilian

[Nico Nobrix]

One can be 20% SSA and have blonde hair and blue eyes, so I doubt she looks very exotic being 90% European.

I am 98% European and 2.0% SSA. I look quite exotic, no one thinks I'm white. I have never met anyone else in my life who has 2% of their DNA so strongly represented. I consider myself pretty rare 🤔

[Nico Nobrix]

We never had any madeiran poster here and Sikeliot's "madeirans" are anything but reliable.

I have 2% ancestors are from Madeira. Apparently i have an ancestor from one of the South American countries but have 0% ameridian. 1% is normal for Madeirans, havnt seen many above 2%

[Leto]

I am 98% European and 2.0% SSA. I look quite exotic, no one thinks I'm white. I have never met anyone else in my life who has 2% of their DNA so strongly represented. I consider myself pretty rare ��
What are your Eurogenes results? Member Pedro Ruben is around 4% Black on GEDmatch.

[Nico Nobrix]

When your 98% European with a straight pointed nose and moderately wavy hair but have tan skin 365 days a year, are you white?��

[Yamnaya]

When your 98% European with a straight pointed nose and moderately wavy hair but have tan skin 365 days a year, are you white?��

Nobody that asks for what is white is white

[Nico Nobrix]

What are your Eurogenes results? Member Pedro Ruben is around 4% Black on GEDmatch.

#PopulationPercent

1North_Atlantic39.72
2West_Med23.70
3East_Med15.21
4Baltic9.29
5Red_Sea3.52
6Sub-Saharan3.00
7Northeast_African2.56
8East_Asian2.14

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.226476
2 Portuguese @ 4.798917
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.035123
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.686357
5 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.325444
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.347419
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.464032
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.091851
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.482277
10 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.989161
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.168781
12 Southwest_French @ 11.711581
13 North_Italian @ 12.381323
14 French @ 12.483251
15 Tuscan @ 18.221422
16 South_Dutch @ 19.196756
17 West_German @ 19.286997
18 French_Basque @ 22.336725
19 Southeast_English @ 23.581585
20 Southwest_English @ 24.250553

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.220566


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Aragon +25% Tunisian +25% West_Scottish @ 4.033851


You can check yourself M068341

[Nico Nobrix]

What are your Eurogenes results? Member Pedro Ruben is around 4% Black on GEDmatch.

#PopulationPercent

1North_Atlantic39.72
2West_Med23.70
3East_Med15.21
4Baltic9.29
5Red_Sea3.52
6Sub-Saharan3.00
7Northeast_African2.56
8East_Asian2.14

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.226476
2 Portuguese @ 4.798917
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.035123
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.686357
5 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.325444
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.347419
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.464032
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.091851
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.482277
10 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.989161
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.168781
12 Southwest_French @ 11.711581
13 North_Italian @ 12.381323
14 French @ 12.483251
15 Tuscan @ 18.221422
16 South_Dutch @ 19.196756
17 West_German @ 19.286997
18 French_Basque @ 22.336725
19 Southeast_English @ 23.581585
20 Southwest_English @ 24.250553

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.220566


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Aragon +25% Tunisian +25% West_Scottish @ 4.033851


You can check yourself M068341

[Leto]

#PopulationPercent

1North_Atlantic39.72
2West_Med23.70
3East_Med15.21
4Baltic9.29
5Red_Sea3.52
6Sub-Saharan3.00
7Northeast_African2.56
8East_Asian2.14

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.226476
2 Portuguese @ 4.798917
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.035123
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.686357
5 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.325444
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.347419
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.464032
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.091851
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.482277
10 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.989161
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.168781
12 Southwest_French @ 11.711581
13 North_Italian @ 12.381323
14 French @ 12.483251
15 Tuscan @ 18.221422
16 South_Dutch @ 19.196756
17 West_German @ 19.286997
18 French_Basque @ 22.336725
19 Southeast_English @ 23.581585
20 Southwest_English @ 24.250553

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.220566


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Aragon +25% Tunisian +25% West_Scottish @ 4.033851


You can check yourself M068341
You are more than 2% SSA.

Sub-Saharan 3.00
Northeast_African 2.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.7% Spanish_Murcia + 3.3% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.88
2 96.8% Spanish_Murcia + 3.2% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.9
3 96.8% Spanish_Murcia + 3.2% Luhya @ 2.9
4 96.6% Spanish_Murcia + 3.4% San @ 2.91
5 97% Spanish_Murcia + 3% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.94
6 97.2% Spanish_Murcia + 2.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.99
7 97.2% Spanish_Murcia + 2.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 3.01
8 96.2% Spanish_Murcia + 3.8% Sandawe @ 3.04
9 97.3% Spanish_Murcia + 2.7% Mandenka @ 3.06
10 97.5% Spanish_Murcia + 2.5% Yoruban @ 3.11
11 96.8% Spanish_Murcia + 3.2% Sudanese @ 3.14
12 96.5% Spanish_Murcia + 3.5% Maasai @ 3.2
13 96.9% Spanish_Murcia + 3.1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 3.22
14 96.9% Spanish_Murcia + 3.1% Hadza @ 3.33
15 97.4% Spanish_Murcia + 2.6% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 3.48
16 97% Spanish_Murcia + 3% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.62
17 96.9% Spanish_Murcia + 3.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.65
18 96.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 3.2% Bantu_N.E. @ 3.66
19 97.2% Spanish_Murcia + 2.8% Somali @ 3.66
20 97.2% Spanish_Murcia + 2.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.66

[Nico Nobrix]

Everyone has their own opinions

[Nico Nobrix]

You are more than 2% SSA.

Sub-Saharan 3.00
Northeast_African 2.56

Yes, 3%. Portuguese on GEDmatch have 1% so I deviate from the average mainlander by 2%, which is why 1% is embedded in European on 23 and me

[Nico Nobrix]

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[Leto]

~4-5% African

Population
Amerindian -
East_Asian 1.16 Pct
African 4.91 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 57.26 Pct
Australasian 0.44 Pct
Siberian -
Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.64 Pct
Southern 27.60 Pct
South_Asian -

Population
Caucaus_Parsia 6.58 Pct
Middle_East 17.01 Pct
Indian -
South_and_West_European 47.65 Pct
Melanesian 2.13 Pct
Sub_Saharian 2.96 Pct
North_and_East_European 20.51 Pct
Arctic_Amerind -
East_Asian 2.34 Pct
Paleo_African 0.82 Pct
Mesoamerican -
North_Asian -

I don't think it is what influenced your phenotype though.

[Nico Nobrix]

~4-5% African

Population
Amerindian -
East_Asian 1.16 Pct
African 4.91 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 57.26 Pct
Australasian 0.44 Pct
Siberian -
Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.64 Pct
Southern 27.60 Pct
South_Asian -

Population
Caucaus_Parsia 6.58 Pct
Middle_East 17.01 Pct
Indian -
South_and_West_European 47.65 Pct
Melanesian 2.13 Pct
Sub_Saharian 2.96 Pct
North_and_East_European 20.51 Pct
Arctic_Amerind -
East_Asian 2.34 Pct
Paleo_African 0.82 Pct
Mesoamerican -
North_Asian -

I don't think it is what influenced your phenotype though.

I figured what influenced my dark features was a general old iberian phenotype, before Iberians mixed with Celts/Germanics. Since I dont have African features.

You have to remember that all native Iberians have North African DNA, alot of it comes from thousands of years BC, they found Skeletons from 2,000BC with 100% North African DNA. So when you calculate 4-5% African. Some of that goes to North African influence. But that 3% SSA, almost all of it I am guessing is from the last 400 years

[Viriatus91]

Any history of reverse migration from Brazil to Portugal?

Yes, there was quite a bit of it in the late 19th century and early 20th century with many Portuguese who had emigrated and made a fortune returning to Portugal to build what at the time were considered tacky nouveau-riche style mansions, with many dotting small towns throughout Northern Portugal. There is a thread below. It is estimated that most of the emigration from Portugal to Brazil during the 1880 to 1920 period remained male and around one-third of the emigrants returned to Portugal, with Portuguese immigrants to Brazil having higher of exogamy in Brazil than other European immigrant groups.

Anecdotally, in my parents home small town in Central Portugal I found the marriage record from 1816 of a woman listed as having been born and baptised in Rio de Janeiro. This woman died in 1843, and judging by the marriage records the age of her children was presumably born around 1790. The priest lists her mother as being from Minas Gerais and she took on the last name "Mineira" which was passed down to some of her descendants and still exists in this town.

The link below shows some of the houses built by returning emigrants called "Casas de Brasileiros".

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1964682

[samario]

Its clear OP is related to some Brazilian ancestor.