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Tauromachos
06-21-2018, 08:53 PM
Vote and discuss

Ajeje Brazorf
06-21-2018, 09:10 PM
Stop with these threads about Sicilians and Iberians

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-21-2018, 09:12 PM
Genetically they differ about the same. Slightly closer to British Islands concerning the Portuguese judging by the 75 samples I have posted so far on my K36 similarity maps thread.

Tauromachos
06-21-2018, 09:12 PM
Stop with these threads about Sicilians and Iberians

Its the first one i did

Was inspired because other people compared these three groups in other threads

Some people would claim there that Iberians would be closer to Sicilian than to Brits,others would claim the opposite

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-21-2018, 09:13 PM
Oops, I voted wrongly. I wanted to vote Sicilians and Iberians.

Damiăo de Góis
06-21-2018, 09:14 PM
We need more threads about this subject.

Tauromachos
06-21-2018, 09:16 PM
Oops, I voted wrongly. I wanted to vote Sicilians and Iberians.

Ok i can't change your vote but maybe a mod can

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-21-2018, 09:19 PM
When it comes to haplogroups Iberia shares more similarity with the British Isles as well, though here it is not just slightly. R1b is dominant.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-21-2018, 09:34 PM
Its the first one i did, was inspired because other people compared these three groups in other threads. Some people would claim there that Iberians would be closer to Sicilian than to Brits,others would claim the opposite

Ok, but often from normal ones they turn into 30 pages trollish threads.
Between South_Italian and Spanish_Andalucia (autosomically) there is a distance of @ 29, between Spanish_Andalucia and Southwest_English the distance is @ 25.

Tauromachos
06-21-2018, 09:36 PM
Ok, but often from normal ones they turn into 30 pages trollish threads.
Between South_Italian and Spanish_Andalucia (autosomically) there is a distance of @ 29, between Spanish_Andalucia and Southwest_English the distance is @ 25.

Fair enough

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-21-2018, 09:40 PM
Contrary to popular TA belief, Iberians are closer to West Germans rather than Brits or Sicilians.

Sikeliot
06-21-2018, 09:52 PM
Iberians are genetically closer to Brits and Germans, than to Sicilians. This is because Sicilians have a higher amount of Caucasus-related ancestry.

Profileid
06-21-2018, 09:53 PM
ALL SOUTHERN EUROS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER THAN THEY ARE TO US.OK????????

Sikeliot
06-21-2018, 09:54 PM
ALL SOUTHERN EUROS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER THAN THEY ARE TO US.OK????????

From a genetic standpoint this is not true.

Tauromachos
06-21-2018, 09:54 PM
ALL SOUTHERN EUROS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER THAN THEY ARE TO US.OK????????

Maybe..
But if they would realy be closer to Brits than Sicilians,would it be a problem for you?

Why?

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-21-2018, 09:57 PM
ALL SOUTHERN EUROS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER THAN THEY ARE TO US.OK????????

Not genetically though.

Profileid
06-21-2018, 10:04 PM
From a genetic standpoint this is not true.



Not genetically though.

Give me an Iberian and a Sicilian kit #

Maybe..
But if they would realy be closer to Brits than Sicilians,would it be a problem for you?

Why?

It's just not true. We are closer to just about any Eastern Euro pop than to Iberians.

Tauromachos
06-21-2018, 10:06 PM
Give me an Iberian and a Sicilian kit #

I don't have

Maybe Sikeliot can organize some

Livin
06-21-2018, 10:07 PM
Iberians genetically are closer to brits.

But when it comes on phenotypes I think with Italians.

Sikeliot
06-21-2018, 10:29 PM
Give me an Iberian and a Sicilian kit #


It's just not true. We are closer to just about any Eastern Euro pop than to Iberians.

South Italians and Iberians are genetically very different...

South Italian result:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.62
2 West_Med 22.66
3 West_Asian 18.44
4 North_Atlantic 12.64
5 Red_Sea 5.39
6 Baltic 3.17
7 Northeast_African 1.17
8 East_Asian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.86
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.2
3 Algerian_Jewish 7.86
4 Italian_Jewish 8.04
5 East_Sicilian 8.51
6 Cyprian 9.17
7 Central_Greek 9.21
8 Tunisian_Jewish 9.85
9 Ashkenazi 10.45
10 Libyan_Jewish 10.75
11 West_Sicilian 11.79
12 Italian_Abruzzo 12.03
13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.39
14 Syrian 15.17
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.42
16 Samaritan 16.72
17 Turkish 16.79
18 Lebanese_Christian 17.57
19 Lebanese_Druze 18.17
20 Tuscan 18.47


Spanish result:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.14
2 West_Med 29.22
3 East_Med 13.43
4 Baltic 9.91
5 Red_Sea 3.33
6 Sub-Saharan 1.76
7 West_Asian 0.84
8 Northeast_African 0.45
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 East_Asian 0.27
11 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.03
2 Spanish_Valencia 3.24
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.76
4 Spanish_Extremadura 3.8
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.84
6 Spanish_Cantabria 3.85
7 Spanish_Andalucia 3.9
8 Spanish_Aragon 4.39
9 Spanish_Galicia 4.54
10 Portuguese 4.63
11 Spanish_Cataluna 4.81
12 Southwest_French 6.23
13 North_Italian 11.24
14 French 12.3
15 French_Basque 15.97
16 Tuscan 17.12
17 South_Dutch 18.36
18 West_German 18.81
19 Southeast_English 22.03
20 Southwest_English 22.14

Ajeje Brazorf
06-21-2018, 10:36 PM
South Italians and Iberians are genetically very different...

South Italian result:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.62
2 West_Med 22.66
3 West_Asian 18.44
4 North_Atlantic 12.64
5 Red_Sea 5.39
6 Baltic 3.17
7 Northeast_African 1.17
8 East_Asian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 Amerindian 0.02

Yeah, and to prove it you've cherrypicked the most Levant shifted one.

Sikeliot
06-21-2018, 11:11 PM
Yeah, and to prove it you've cherrypicked the most Levant shifted one.

They score South Italian at a distance of 5.

Try this one -- Palermo (Termini Imerese). Still very, very different from Iberians:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.88
2 West_Med 23.05
3 North_Atlantic 17.23
4 West_Asian 12.73
5 Baltic 6.62
6 Red_Sea 4.79
7 Northeast_African 0.73
8 Sub-Saharan 0.42
9 Oceanian 0.29
10 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 2.88
2 East_Sicilian 4.78
3 Central_Greek 5.94
4 West_Sicilian 6.02
5 Ashkenazi 6.22
6 Italian_Jewish 6.42
7 Algerian_Jewish 7
8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.18
9 Italian_Abruzzo 7.93
10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.3
11 Greek_Thessaly 11.72
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.11
13 Tuscan 12.61
14 Cyprian 14.53
15 Lebanese_Muslim 18.81
16 North_Italian 19.08
17 Syrian 20.14
18 Bulgarian 20.54
19 Samaritan 21.13
20 Turkish 21.78

Profileid
06-21-2018, 11:24 PM
South Italians and Iberians are genetically very different...

South Italian result:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.62
2 West_Med 22.66
3 West_Asian 18.44
4 North_Atlantic 12.64
5 Red_Sea 5.39
6 Baltic 3.17
7 Northeast_African 1.17
8 East_Asian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.86
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.2
3 Algerian_Jewish 7.86
4 Italian_Jewish 8.04
5 East_Sicilian 8.51
6 Cyprian 9.17
7 Central_Greek 9.21
8 Tunisian_Jewish 9.85
9 Ashkenazi 10.45
10 Libyan_Jewish 10.75
11 West_Sicilian 11.79
12 Italian_Abruzzo 12.03
13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.39
14 Syrian 15.17
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.42
16 Samaritan 16.72
17 Turkish 16.79
18 Lebanese_Christian 17.57
19 Lebanese_Druze 18.17
20 Tuscan 18.47


Spanish result:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.14
2 West_Med 29.22
3 East_Med 13.43
4 Baltic 9.91
5 Red_Sea 3.33
6 Sub-Saharan 1.76
7 West_Asian 0.84
8 Northeast_African 0.45
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 East_Asian 0.27
11 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.03
2 Spanish_Valencia 3.24
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.76
4 Spanish_Extremadura 3.8
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.84
6 Spanish_Cantabria 3.85
7 Spanish_Andalucia 3.9
8 Spanish_Aragon 4.39
9 Spanish_Galicia 4.54
10 Portuguese 4.63
11 Spanish_Cataluna 4.81
12 Southwest_French 6.23
13 North_Italian 11.24
14 French 12.3
15 French_Basque 15.97
16 Tuscan 17.12
17 South_Dutch 18.36
18 West_German 18.81
19 Southeast_English 22.03
20 Southwest_English 22.14

Why do you never give the actual kit number? Are you hoarding them or something?

Kouros
06-21-2018, 11:26 PM
Why do you never give the actual kit number? Are you hoarding them or something?

This

Give me the kit numbers you cape verdan nigger

Ajeje Brazorf
06-21-2018, 11:28 PM
Why do you never give the actual kit number? Are you hoarding them or something?

I think it's for privacy reasons, even if the owners of those kits won't even be aware of the existence of sites like TA.

Profileid
06-21-2018, 11:40 PM
I think it's for privacy reasons, even if the owners of those kits won't even be aware of the existence of sites like TA.

Doubt.

Tietar
06-22-2018, 01:25 AM
Vote and discuss

vote?, that users decide this does not seem very scientific hahaha

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 03:25 AM
Why do you never give the actual kit number? Are you hoarding them or something?

Because it is not anyone's business.

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 03:25 AM
I think it's for privacy reasons, even if the owners of those kits won't even be aware of the existence of sites like TA.

Yes, it's exactly that.

nightrider+
06-22-2018, 03:28 AM
Sicilians are closer to Hungarians than to Iberians. What is the point of this question?

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 03:28 AM
Sicilians are closer to Hungarians than to Iberians. What is the point of this question?

They cannot possibly be, Sicilians have too low of NE European. They are very far from both.

They are, though, closer to Bulgaria/Romania than to Iberia.

Latinus
06-22-2018, 03:29 AM
I always thought Iberians were closer to Sicilians than Brits.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-22-2018, 03:29 AM
Yes, it's exactly that.

Or maybe not... :)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/2c/97/2e2c97d37eebe5d9b4af2ea31c2c66fe.jpg

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 03:30 AM
I always thought Iberians were closer to Sicilians than Brits.

Almost every Iberian member here has posted their results and you can see it is not so.

nightrider+
06-22-2018, 03:33 AM
They cannot possibly be, Sicilians have too low of NE European. They are very far from both.

They are, though, closer to Bulgaria/Romania than to Iberia.They are far from both but closer to Hungarians.

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 03:38 AM
They are far from both but closer to Hungarians.

How could they be. The NE European in Hungarians should make them very far. What in Iberians makes them far? Sicilians have almost no Baltic type DNA. Hungarians do.

nightrider+
06-22-2018, 03:41 AM
How could they be. The NE European in Hungarians should make them very far. What in Iberians makes them far? Sicilians have almost no Baltic type DNA. Hungarians do.

WHG affinity. Actually what I posted is not true for most Iberians but it's certainly true for Basques.

alnortedelsur
06-22-2018, 03:47 AM
ALL SOUTHERN EUROS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER THAN THEY ARE TO US.OK????????

Interesting how you thumbed up colonel Frank Grimes in your other thread, for telling me that I should only talk for Venezuela, and here you say "us" as if you were a Brit from UK, when you're only a US American with some Brit ancestry.

I never say "us" when I talk about Spaniards, even though I am mostly Spanish descent. Just saying :rolleyes:

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 04:32 AM
WHG affinity. Actually what I posted is not true for most Iberians but it's certainly true for Basques.

Sicilians have more WHG than they do Steppe.

nightrider+
06-22-2018, 04:58 AM
Sicilians have more WHG than they do Steppe.Wrong. Not that it has anything to do with what I said.

Tauromachos
06-22-2018, 05:00 AM
Wrong. Not that it has anything to do with what I said.

Interesting

Tauromachos
06-22-2018, 05:00 AM
vote?, that users decide this does not seem very scientific hahaha

its only semi scientific

Profileid
06-22-2018, 07:05 AM
Interesting how you thumbed up colonel Frank Grimes in your other thread, for telling me that I should only talk for Venezuela, and here you say "us" as if you were a Brit from UK, when you're only a US American with some Brit ancestry.

I never say "us" when I talk about Spaniards, even though I am mostly Spanish descent. Just saying :rolleyes:

I will thumb up any comment that puts you in your place.

The majority of my ancestry comes from the British Isles and what doesn't is from Germany. I have a very strong genetic affinity with English

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 11:42 AM
Wrong. Not that it has anything to do with what I said.

I'd like to see some sort of evidence that Sicilians are closer to Hungarians than to Iberians, considering Hungarians are so heavy on BaltoSlavic type genes.

MinervaItalica
06-22-2018, 11:44 AM
Its the first one i did

Was inspired because other people compared these three groups in other threads

Some people would claim there that Iberians would be closer to Sicilian than to Brits,others would claim the opposite

C'mon Sikeliot asked you to make this thread...

How many threads we still need about this topic? :picard1:

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 11:46 AM
C'mon Sikeliot asked you to make this thread...

How many threads we still need about this topic? :picard1:


Why would I ask him to make the thread if I could have just made it myself? Anyway I think it is strange people are voting on something as if it is subjective when it absolutely is not: Iberians are genetically closer to Brits/Germans than to Sicilians (I agree they do not look like it on average, though), and it is not up for debate, it just is.

MinervaItalica
06-22-2018, 11:49 AM
Why would I ask him to make the thread if I could have just made it myself?

Because there were some users in the past that claimed you asked them to make threads. This is not a new thing. How many threads about Sicilians, Iberians and British did cybernautic make? These are usually your stuff.

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 11:51 AM
Because there were some users in the past that claimed you asked them to make threads. This is not a new thing. How many threads about Sicilians, Iberians and British did cybernautic make? These are usually your stuff.

No, he makes those on his own and usually to prove the opposite point of the one I am making. People can claim I asked them to do so but I didn't. Maybe if someone messaged me photos I might have said "Why don't you post them and make a thread out of them" but that is it.

Sikeliot
06-22-2018, 12:34 PM
Because there were some users in the past that claimed you asked them to make threads. This is not a new thing. How many threads about Sicilians, Iberians and British did cybernautic make? These are usually your stuff.

Also I don't know about Spain but I definitely don't think Portuguese look more British than Sicilian. Some Portuguese also pass as whiter North Africans...

alnortedelsur
06-22-2018, 12:45 PM
I will thumb up any comment that puts you in your place.

The majority of my ancestry comes from the British Isles and what doesn't is from Germany. I have a very strong genetic affinity with English

I have also very strong genetic affinity with Spain, then, I also have all my right to talk on behalf of Spain, and even more than you to talk about British Isles, for being son of a Spaniard from Spain itself.

Ergo, telling me that I should not talk on behalf of Spain is not "putting me in my place".

Morena
06-22-2018, 01:02 PM
It's about equal distant, but with a little more affinity to GB.

I accidentally voted wrong. I am tired. :rolleyes:

Aren
06-22-2018, 09:33 PM
Differ from both but closer to Sicilians going by actual components.

Sikeliot
06-23-2018, 02:30 AM
Differ from both but closer to Sicilians going by actual components.

How? Iberians don't have a lot of Caucasus.

Aren
06-23-2018, 02:41 AM
How? Iberians don't have a lot of Caucasus.

So? Iberians have far less Steppe than Brits. The base in both Sicily and Iberia is Anatolian Neolithic. Stop bringing this Caucasus input into the discussion all the time. Sicilians have less Caucasus/CHG input than Latvians and not that much higher of it than Iberians.
Here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-cEJmS9cZ6r-_9p0qj1f2qszxiJbactk89DOd0TlHg/edit#gid=1320636554) you can see how similar Southern Euros actually are.

Leto
06-23-2018, 12:48 PM
Sicilians have less Caucasus/CHG input than Latvians and not that much higher of it than Iberians.
Impossible. I've seen Sicilians having as much as 15% West Asian in Sikeliot's threads. Latvians get 4-6% only.

Sikeliot
06-23-2018, 12:49 PM
Impossible. I've seen Sicilians having as much as 15% West Asian in Sikeliot's threads. Latvians get 4-6% only.

This is on GEDmatch calculators, I think he is talking about a different form of analysis in which all Southern Europeans predominantly score an ancient Anatolian Neolithic component. But I don't necessarily think that approach is most accurate.

It is well known Southeast Europe and Italy have more Caucasus/Iranian Neolithic than would Iberia.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 03:13 PM
1 North_Sea @ 0
2 Atlantic @ 15
3 Baltic @ 20
4 Eastern_Euro @ 20
5 East_Med @ 26
6 West_Asian @ 27
7 West_Med @ 29
8 Red_Sea @ 53
9 South_Asian @ 60
10 Northeast_African @ 109
11 Siberian @ 111
12 Southeast_Asian @ 112
13 Amerindian @ 138
14 Sub-Saharan @ 144
15 Oceanian @ 178

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 03:24 PM
Impossible. I've seen Sicilians having as much as 15% West Asian in Sikeliot's threads. Latvians get 4-6% only.

Eurogenes K15 has components that are the copy of one another, for example North_Sea and Atlantic, East_Med and Red_Sea. However lol, it makes no sense to put an East_Med component that covers an area that goes from Tuscany / Albania to Yemen.

Aren
06-23-2018, 03:24 PM
Impossible. I've seen Sicilians having as much as 15% West Asian in Sikeliot's threads. Latvians get 4-6% only.
This has nothing to do with what I wrote, please you should know the difference between calculators who use modern components and naming them where they peak today in comparision with ancient components. In Eurogenes K13/15 there's already Northern European components so ofc Latvians won't score significant portion of other components other than Baltic/North Atlantic. If there was a South Italian component then Sicilians wouldn't be scoring barely any West Asian either. Did you even open the spreadsheet I posted?

This is on GEDmatch calculators, I think he is talking about a different form of analysis in which all Southern Europeans predominantly score an ancient Anatolian Neolithic component. But I don't necessarily think that approach is most accurate.

It is well known Southeast Europe and Italy have more Caucasus/Iranian Neolithic than would Iberia.
Not just a different analysis, but also on peer per view papers does it show that. You obviously don't think it's accurate since you are very biased and stubborn. I've posted several scientific papers and spreadsheets in other threads awell showing you how when looking at actual components Sicilians and Iberians don't differ much but you refuse to acknowledge it, I don't know why though?

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 03:42 PM
This has nothing to do with what I wrote, please you should know the difference between calculators who use modern components and naming them where they peak today in comparision with ancient components. In Eurogenes K13/15 there's already Northern European components so ofc Latvians won't score significant portion of other components other than Baltic/North Atlantic. If there was a South Italian component then Sicilians wouldn't be scoring barely any West Asian either. Did you even open the spreadsheet I posted?

Caucasian MDLP K23b
Latvian: 24.71%
Sicilian_Agrigento 35.63%
Sicilian_Center 41.27%
Sicilian_East 38.71%
Sicilian_Siracusa 37.46%
Sicilian_Trapani 35.05%
Sicilian_West 34.55%

Aren
06-23-2018, 03:47 PM
Caucasian MDLP K23b
Latvian: 24.71%
Sicilian_Agrigento 35.63%
Sicilian_Center 41.27%
Sicilian_East 38.71%
Sicilian_Siracusa 37.46%
Sicilian_Trapani 35.05%
Sicilian_West 34.55%

I'm confused. Why are you posting this? K23b is clearly one of the worst calculators on Gedmatch as it uses both modern and ancient components. Gedmatch is generally trash nowadays except for Eurogenes K13/15 and possibly Harappa world.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 03:56 PM
I'm confused. Why are you posting this? K23b is clearly one of the worst calculators on Gedmatch as it uses both modern and ancient components. Gedmatch is generally trash nowadays except for Eurogenes K13/15 and possibly Harappa world.

Lol not true. I prefer HarappaWorld over Eurogenes but it is an old calculator, released before the discovery of ancestral components. Eurogenes has components that are almost identical to one other (see North_Sea and Atlantic, East_Med and Red_Sea) and also has less than 210 populations compared to 620 of MDLP K23b.

Aren
06-23-2018, 04:03 PM
Lol not true. I prefer HarappaWorld over Eurogenes but it is an old calculator, released before the discovery of ancestral components. Eurogenes has components that are almost identical to one other (see North_Sea and Atlantic, East_Med and Red_Sea) and also has less than 210 populations compared to 620 of MDLP K23b.
Eurogenes K13/15 are the best when you want to calculate recent genetic drift with modern populations no doubt. They could be better for sure, but those are the best atm. There's no decent ancient calculator on Gedmatch as most of them have modern components aswell and also most being several years old. I'm not talking about how many population averages they have it doesn't matter if the calc itself is trash.
nMonte3 is the most accurate tool right now.

Percivalle
06-23-2018, 04:09 PM
nMonte3 is the most accurate tool right now.

nMonte3 is a statistical software based on the Monte Carlo method. If the spreadsheet isn't accurate, not even the results will be.

Aren
06-23-2018, 04:17 PM
nMonte3 is a statistical software based on the Monte Carlo method. If the spreadsheet isn't accurate, not even the results will be.

I've gotten many times almost identical results with nMonte using the PCA 25 averages as some peer per viewed papers. It depends on how you use it and what populations you put in but the PCA 25 spreadsheet is totally fine.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 04:22 PM
Eurogenes K13/15 are the best when you want to calculate recent genetic drift with modern populations no doubt. They could be better for sure, but those are the best atm. There's no decent ancient calculator on Gedmatch as most of them have modern components aswell and also most being several years old. I'm not talking about how many population averages they have it doesn't matter if the calc itself is trash.
nMonte3 is the most accurate tool right now.

Lol even Eurogenes K13 and K15 are almost a copy of one another. But trust me, many times MDLP K23b can give much more accurate results than HarappaWorld and Eurogenes.

Jana
06-23-2018, 04:24 PM
Sicilians and Iberians.

Aren
06-23-2018, 04:31 PM
Lol even Eurogenes K13 and K15 are almost a copy of one another. But trust me, many times MDLP K23b can give much more accurate results than HarappaWorld and Eurogenes.

What if they are almost a copy both are still the most optimal ones. MDLP K23b even if it gives close matches to your actual ethnicity is still very trash. Look at the components and try not to laugh. A mix of old ancient components and something like South-Central Asian and whatnot.
Harappa world is decent too but too basic. Only a Northern Euro and Med component for Europeans basically, it's mostly aimed towards South Asians.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 04:40 PM
What if they are almost a copy both are still the most optimal ones. MDLP K23b even if it gives close matches to your actual ethnicity is still very trash. Look at the components and try not to laugh. A mix of old ancient components and something like South-Central Asian and whatnot.
Harappa world is decent too but too basic. Only a Northern Euro and Med component for Europeans basically, it's mostly aimed towards South Asians.

South_Central_Asian is a component IEs had significantly.

Aren
06-23-2018, 04:58 PM
South_Central_Asian is a component IEs had significantly.

xD you are very funny. Ancient IE:s had significantly of a modern component? What is this logic.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-23-2018, 05:28 PM
Ancient IEs had significantly of a modern component?

What did you expect? Every calculator would use modern references for ancient DNA, in Eurogenes K15 they score high North_Sea which is a modern component.

Leto
06-23-2018, 05:41 PM
Dodecad K12b is good enough for me, but its reference populations are often very weird and unrepresentative.

Aren
06-23-2018, 05:43 PM
What did you expect? Every calculator would use modern references for ancient DNA, in Eurogenes K15 they score high North_Sea which is a modern component.

I was thinking of the phrasing. How can an Ancient population derive from a modern component based on mixed people like South-Central Asians? Running them through these calculators and then drawing conclusions from it is not accurate.

Lauχum
08-23-2018, 11:55 AM
Based off the the Global 25 samples:

-Portuguese and Andalusians are closer to both Sicilian_West and Sicilian_East than the English samples.
79498
79499
-Castillans and Galicians are closer to Sicilian_West than the English samples but further away from Sicilian_East.
79500
79501
-Catalans and Spanish Basques are closer to English than to both Sicilian_East and Sicilian_West
79502
79503

So overall, most Iberians are closer to at least parts of Sicily than they are to any Anglos. Only in the North-East are they closer to Anglos than all Sicilians.

Tong
08-23-2018, 11:58 AM
sicilians and iberians

Lauχum
08-23-2018, 12:26 PM
Here are the rest of the Iberians samples on the datasheet:
-Murcians, Extremadurans and Canarians are closer to all Sicilians than English.
79504
79505
79506
-Castilla la Mancha Spaniards and Balearic Islanders are closer to Sicilian_West than English.
79507
79508
-Aragonese, Valencians, Cantabrians and Pais Vasco Spaniards are closer to English over all Sicilians.
79509
79510
79511
79512

Lauχum
08-23-2018, 12:32 PM
So in summary the bulk of Iberia is closer at least to Sicilian_West than to English (With Andalusians, Murcians, Exremadurans and Portuguese being closer to all of Sicily), whilst only the Catalan speaking provinces and the Pyrenees border regions are closer to English due to higher Basque/WHG affinity.

Lauχum
08-23-2018, 01:04 PM
nMonte3 is the most accurate tool right now.

Ah, I see you are also a man of culture...

When it comes to genetic analysis nMonte/Global 25 buries GEDmeme into the ground. The only benefit of GEDmatch is that its free to upload DNA whilst you need to pay to get personal coordinates from Davidski.

FilhoV
08-25-2018, 03:25 PM
Iberians have higher WHG than southern Italians what we have in common is out EEF

FilhoV
08-25-2018, 03:27 PM
Mine

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.48
2 West_Med 26.94
3 East_Med 15.36
4 Baltic 9.39
5 Red_Sea 3.47
6 West_Asian 3.15
7 Sub-Saharan 2.17
8 Northeast_African 1.73
9 Amerindian 0.78
10 Oceanian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.65
2 Portuguese 3.6
3 Spanish_Murcia 4.04
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4.31
5 Spanish_Galicia 4.98
6 Spanish_Valencia 5.06
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.11
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.51
9 Spanish_Cataluna 6.16
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.41
11 North_Italian 7.61
12 Spanish_Aragon 8.26
13 Southwest_French 9.84
14 French 12.49
15 Tuscan 13.02
16 West_German 18.59
17 South_Dutch 18.65
18 West_Sicilian 19.31
19 French_Basque 20.09
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.30

FilhoV
08-25-2018, 03:28 PM
Depends on the individual this is mine .

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.18
2 West_Med 26.89
3 East_Med 14.93
4 Baltic 9.47
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Red_Sea 3.3
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.2
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.02
9 Spanish_Cataluna 5.75
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.02
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.9
12 North_Italian 8.19
13 Southwest_French 9.52
14 French 12.16
15 Tuscan 13.65
16 West_German 18.27
17 South_Dutch 18.27
18 French_Basque 19.58
19 West_Sicilian 19.94
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.84

Cristiano viejo
05-05-2020, 05:51 AM
Sicilians and Iberians.

Avicii86
05-05-2020, 06:08 AM
I think they are pretty different genetically from both

Rocinante
05-05-2020, 08:56 AM
Average sicilian and iberians are more different.

yamagi
05-05-2020, 09:31 AM
Even if average Sicilians and Iberians phenotypically look more alike compared to British, the seem genetically equidistant between West Europeans and Sicilians, another example how genotype and phenotype don't correlate with genetics every time.

gixajo
05-05-2020, 10:39 AM
Average sicilian and iberians are more different.

We should do a g25 calculator called: "Are you closer to Sicilians or British islanders?"

Cristiano viejo
05-05-2020, 10:56 AM
Even if average Sicilians and Iberians phenotypically look more alike compared to British, the seem genetically equidistant between West Europeans and Sicilians, another example how genotype and phenotype don't correlate with genetics every time.

We already are west Europeans. We can not be genetically equidistant to ourselves than a Sicilians.

yamagi
05-05-2020, 11:20 AM
We already are west Europeans. We can not be genetically equidistant to ourselves than a Sicilians.

Geography: Realms, Regions, and Concepts Edit
Geography: Realms, Regions, and Concepts has been published since 1971 and now in its 17th edition.[11] It was written by the authors Jan Nijman, Peter O. Muller and Harm J. de Blij. It is used in many US schools to teach students world geography.

Here, the definition of Western Europe includes:[11]

Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Ireland
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Switzerland
United Kingdom

MinervaItalica
05-05-2020, 11:43 AM
Sicilians are Western Europeans since Italy is West Europe.

Tenma de Pegasus
05-05-2020, 11:48 AM
Its england, iberians are closer to southeast english people than to italians from the far south.

https://i.ibb.co/HYpScHW/K36-mapa.png

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQKRl6qYBwLi5M8ve1tDoWbUYvE4-DU9BNPvzigTH5emkl-eXlq&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR_PZDHVyO47ZuF3EkU7L8aFTtV-_wx1s47KgL1d8mif2sYrJkC&usqp=CAU

It seems they are half way, so if a english men marry a sicilian women they will have iberian kids with Madrid accent.

gixajo
05-05-2020, 11:49 AM
Geography: Realms, Regions, and Concepts Edit
Geography: Realms, Regions, and Concepts has been published since 1971 and now in its 17th edition.[11] It was written by the authors Jan Nijman, Peter O. Muller and Harm J. de Blij. It is used in many US schools to teach students world geography.

Here, the definition of Western Europe includes:[11]

Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Ireland
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Switzerland
United Kingdom

You only highlight this from the wikipedia article about Western Europe?

Depending which source, even Germany is out sometimes from Western Europe, or even Greece is included in Western European countries.

Inquizzzitor
05-06-2020, 02:44 AM
I always thought Iberians were closer to Sicilians than Brits.

You thought that because Iberians and Sicilians are, arguably, more phenotypically similar than Iberians and British. And because they are both “southern European.“ However, genetically speaking, Sicilians are not especially close to Iberians.

Inquizzzitor
05-06-2020, 02:46 AM
Even if average Sicilians and Iberians phenotypically look more alike compared to British, the seem genetically equidistant between West Europeans and Sicilians, another example how genotype and phenotype don't correlate with genetics every time.

It’s amazing how many people don’t understand that. Someone who is half Irish and half Filipino could come out looking Lebanese, but it doesn’t mean they are genetically anything alike. Why people don’t get those, I don’t know.

Cristiano viejo
05-06-2020, 02:47 AM
Geography: Realms, Regions, and Concepts Edit
Geography: Realms, Regions, and Concepts has been published since 1971 and now in its 17th edition.[11] It was written by the authors Jan Nijman, Peter O. Muller and Harm J. de Blij. It is used in many US schools to teach students world geography.

Here, the definition of Western Europe includes:[11]

Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Ireland
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Do You know the geographical meaning of the word western? :rolleyes:

FilhoV
05-06-2020, 09:24 PM
Punheta

Septentrion
05-07-2020, 01:45 PM
Vote and discuss

Obviously the British and Iberians. The British are Northern Europeans, while the Iberians are Southern Europeans. Sicilians are Southern Europeans too!

Gallop
05-07-2020, 02:36 PM
I consider any European citizen as European regardless of any factor, having said that I think that the Spanish give an aspect of the West obviously and perhaps the Sicilians have a more Eastern European finish than for us Westerners that exotic brushstroke of Eastern Europe is striking for us and I suppose the same thing happens in reverse and that in turn anywhere in the world both would look European.

A Swedish and a Sicilian come to my country and for me they are exactly the same Europeans, for me they would be the same, two tourists from the rest of Europe who visit another European country. I hope that it has been clear.

In the West we are educated in this way.

Cristiano viejo
05-08-2020, 07:33 AM
Obviously the British and Iberians. The British are Northern Europeans, while the Iberians are Southern Europeans. Sicilians are Southern Europeans too!

This is the dumbest explanation I have heard in apricity in years :lol:

Rocinante
05-08-2020, 07:38 AM
Obviously the British and Iberians. The British are Northern Europeans, while the Iberians are Southern Europeans. Sicilians are Southern Europeans too!

Did you know that every iberian member in this forum plots more closer to britts than to southern italians right? OH WAIT i remember that shitty NatGeo DNA research were they said that iberians are 30% MENA and 10% SSA, that would explain things better i guess.

Septentrion
05-25-2020, 08:08 PM
Vote and discuss

Different, obviously British vs Iberians!!! All you have to look at, is genetic distance.

Septentrion
05-25-2020, 08:14 PM
Did you know that every iberian member in this forum plots more closer to britts than to southern italians right? OH WAIT i remember that shitty NatGeo DNA research were they said that iberians are 30% MENA and 10% SSA, that would explain things better i guess.

Please hush! Can’t I find an intelligent Iberian for a change? Shit is not the National Geographic Genographic Project 2.0, rather what you have just posted!!!!! Even if we go by genetical distance, Iberians could be further away than Poles are to Brits. Latitude plays a role, dude. The Bell Beakers who went to Britain were different from the ones in Iberia.

Cristiano viejo
05-25-2020, 11:26 PM
Please hush! Can’t I find an intelligent Iberian for a change? Shit is not the National Geographic Genographic Project 2.0, rather what you have just posted!!!!! Even if we go by genetical distance, Iberians could be further away than Poles are to Brits. Latitude plays a role, dude. The Bell Beakers who went to Britain were different from the ones in Iberia.
Latitude plays a shit. Spaniards are infinitely closer to British than to Sicilians, it is documented so it is useless to discuss.

Latitude, the alpine med guy says... Good a know Americans are closer to Mexicans than to Scandinavians because latitude :laugh:

Grace O'Malley
05-25-2020, 11:46 PM
I don't know if Spanish_Penedes is the most northern but I think it is pretty northern. The closest British region to them is Welsh but Spaniards are closer to Italians as a whole but if you focus on Southern Italy or Sicilian even Northern Italians are most likely closer to a lot of other European countries over places like Sicily.

Distance to: Spanish_Penedes
0.00890154 Spanish_Girona
0.00964288 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01010766 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01061535 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.01127690 Spanish_Lleida
0.01128096 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01384184 Spanish_Castello
0.01486377 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01505581 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01517529 Spanish_Baleares
0.01545551 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01567044 Spanish_Valencia
0.01571082 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01627746 French_Auvergne
0.01635993 Spanish_Alacant
0.01748095 Spanish_Aragon
0.01754053 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01764260 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01828836 Swiss_French
0.01839332 French_Provence
0.01847837 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01957865 Spanish_Galicia
0.01978291 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02026941 French_Occitanie
0.02125131 Spanish_Menorca
0.02232535 Spanish_Murcia
0.02310033 Spanish_Navarra
0.02341469 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02351479 Portuguese
0.02395647 French_South
0.02453693 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02457888 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02489934 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02815204 Italian_Veneto
0.02848157 Spanish_Soria
0.03011034 Italian_Bergamo
0.03108392 Italian_Northeast
0.03207774 Swiss_German
0.03290801 French_Paris
0.03371783 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03474145 Spanish_Asturias
0.03483664 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03541051 Italian_Lombardy
0.03594134 French_Nord
0.03608509 French_Alsace
0.03722118 Basque_French
0.03893903 Italian_Piedmont
0.03926419 Swiss_Italian
0.03927855 Basque_Spanish
0.03973038 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03976616 Belgian
0.03999463 Italian_Liguria
0.04230152 French_Corsica
0.04751516 Italian_Tuscany
0.04893223 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05163706 Spanish_Canarias
0.05175559 Romanian
0.05186044 French_Brittany
0.05408025 Afrikaner
0.05490852 Austrian
0.05504940 Montenegrin
0.05593615 Bulgarian
0.05656578 German
0.05737263 Serbian
0.05785186 Italian_Umbria
0.05830117 Macedonian
0.05866730 Greek_Thessaly
0.05901804 Italian_Marche
0.05913391 Welsh
0.05966034 English_Cornwall
0.06009714 Albanian
0.06133967 English
0.06140802 Gagauz
0.06149501 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.06390788 Moldovan
0.06430035 Italian_Lazio
0.06560575 Scottish
0.06580690 Croatian
0.06594252 Dutch
0.06604423 Orcadian
0.06623413 Bosnian
0.06661949 Hungarian
0.06739436 Irish
0.06753892 Slovenian
0.07084140 Shetlandic
0.07141911 Italian_Molise
0.07151211 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07208989 Sicilian_West
0.07244222 Danish
0.07320971 German_East
0.07484565 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07596983 Norwegian
0.07718573 Czech
0.07807326 Icelandic
0.07869835 Italian_Apulia
0.07888275 Greek_Izmir
0.08012688 Roma_Barcelona
0.08047791 Italian_Basilicata
0.08161288 Swedish
0.08178570 Sicilian_East

Looking at Spanish_Murcia though they are closer to Sicilian than any British region.

Distance to: Spanish_Murcia
0.01513258 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01525384 Portuguese
0.01544949 Spanish_Galicia
0.01603988 Spanish_Valencia
0.01609259 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01707537 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01729458 Spanish_Alacant
0.01820029 Spanish_Menorca
0.01829007 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01881891 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01902594 Spanish_Baleares
0.01955197 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01978173 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02002708 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02013133 Spanish_Castello
0.02065433 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02135774 Spanish_Aragon
0.02152286 Spanish_Lleida
0.02154523 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02232289 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02232535 Spanish_Penedes
0.02238546 Spanish_Girona
0.02368600 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02472515 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02547411 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02635202 Spanish_Navarra
0.03096959 Spanish_Asturias
0.03111536 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03198286 French_Provence
0.03205436 Italian_Bergamo
0.03270021 French_South
0.03285520 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03381357 Italian_Veneto
0.03382321 French_Auvergne
0.03462821 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03552712 Italian_Lombardy
0.03602826 Swiss_French
0.03616846 Italian_Liguria
0.03629967 Spanish_Canarias
0.03642251 French_Corsica
0.03733552 Spanish_Soria
0.03823187 French_Occitanie
0.03925165 Italian_Piedmont
0.03931329 Italian_Northeast
0.03983140 Swiss_Italian
0.04212532 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04461130 Basque_French
0.04501419 Italian_Tuscany
0.04693874 Basque_Spanish
0.04897167 Swiss_German
0.05009139 French_Paris
0.05155739 French_Alsace
0.05252359 French_Nord
0.05403434 Italian_Umbria
0.05465413 Italian_Marche
0.05529653 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05619196 Belgian
0.05740551 Greek_Thessaly
0.05755124 Romanian
0.05807528 Albanian
0.05908091 Italian_Lazio
0.06002693 Bulgarian
0.06021745 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.06258354 Sicilian_West
0.06266908 Montenegrin
0.06337021 Macedonian
0.06387971 Serbian
0.06422434 Gagauz
0.06493669 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06602710 Italian_Abruzzo
0.06675066 Italian_Molise
0.06680322 Afrikaner
0.06790758 Austrian
0.06893684 French_Brittany
0.07078328 Moldovan
0.07123637 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07145611 German
0.07203872 Italian_Apulia
0.07327910 Sicilian_East
0.07374535 Italian_Basilicata
0.07450709 Maltese
0.07457166 Bosnian
0.07461169 Greek_Izmir
0.07561955 Croatian
0.07586566 English_Cornwall
0.07590217 Welsh
0.07602750 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.07665357 Italian_Campania
0.07700967 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.07713159 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.07722999 Hungarian
0.07751851 Slovenian
0.07780990 English
0.07781739 Roma_Barcelona
0.07903450 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.08022602 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.08061307 Italian_Calabria
0.08078205 Dutch
0.08184897 Scottish
0.08195598 Orcadian

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:02 AM
I take the samples from Modern Averages Scaled official datasheet(there are a lot of Spanish samples but only 1 Portuguese, 2 Sicilian and 2 English. so I take one grom North Spain and another one form South Spain, without Basques)


English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0613546,0.0 431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0063902,0.0 064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Spanish_Cantabria,0.119514,0.14759,0.0443743,0.005 9217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:04 AM
I don't know if Spanish_Penedes is the most northern but I think it is pretty northern. The closest British region to them is Welsh but Spaniards are closer to Italians as a whole but if you focus on Southern Italy or Sicilian even Northern Italians are most likely closer to a lot of other European countries over places like Sicily.

Distance to: Spanish_Penedes
0.00890154 Spanish_Girona
0.00964288 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01010766 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01061535 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.01127690 Spanish_Lleida
0.01128096 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01384184 Spanish_Castello
0.01486377 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01505581 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01517529 Spanish_Baleares
0.01545551 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01567044 Spanish_Valencia
0.01571082 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01627746 French_Auvergne
0.01635993 Spanish_Alacant
0.01748095 Spanish_Aragon
0.01754053 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01764260 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01828836 Swiss_French
0.01839332 French_Provence
0.01847837 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01957865 Spanish_Galicia
0.01978291 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02026941 French_Occitanie
0.02125131 Spanish_Menorca
0.02232535 Spanish_Murcia
0.02310033 Spanish_Navarra
0.02341469 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02351479 Portuguese
0.02395647 French_South
0.02453693 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02457888 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02489934 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02815204 Italian_Veneto
0.02848157 Spanish_Soria
0.03011034 Italian_Bergamo
0.03108392 Italian_Northeast
0.03207774 Swiss_German
0.03290801 French_Paris
0.03371783 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03474145 Spanish_Asturias
0.03483664 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03541051 Italian_Lombardy
0.03594134 French_Nord
0.03608509 French_Alsace
0.03722118 Basque_French
0.03893903 Italian_Piedmont
0.03926419 Swiss_Italian
0.03927855 Basque_Spanish
0.03973038 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03976616 Belgian
0.03999463 Italian_Liguria
0.04230152 French_Corsica
0.04751516 Italian_Tuscany
0.04893223 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05163706 Spanish_Canarias
0.05175559 Romanian
0.05186044 French_Brittany
0.05408025 Afrikaner
0.05490852 Austrian
0.05504940 Montenegrin
0.05593615 Bulgarian
0.05656578 German
0.05737263 Serbian
0.05785186 Italian_Umbria
0.05830117 Macedonian
0.05866730 Greek_Thessaly
0.05901804 Italian_Marche
0.05913391 Welsh
0.05966034 English_Cornwall
0.06009714 Albanian
0.06133967 English
0.06140802 Gagauz
0.06149501 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.06390788 Moldovan
0.06430035 Italian_Lazio
0.06560575 Scottish
0.06580690 Croatian
0.06594252 Dutch
0.06604423 Orcadian
0.06623413 Bosnian
0.06661949 Hungarian
0.06739436 Irish
0.06753892 Slovenian
0.07084140 Shetlandic
0.07141911 Italian_Molise
0.07151211 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07208989 Sicilian_West
0.07244222 Danish
0.07320971 German_East
0.07484565 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07596983 Norwegian
0.07718573 Czech
0.07807326 Icelandic
0.07869835 Italian_Apulia
0.07888275 Greek_Izmir
0.08012688 Roma_Barcelona
0.08047791 Italian_Basilicata
0.08161288 Swedish
0.08178570 Sicilian_East

Looking at Spanish_Murcia though they are closer to Sicilian than any British region.

Distance to: Spanish_Murcia
0.01513258 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01525384 Portuguese
0.01544949 Spanish_Galicia
0.01603988 Spanish_Valencia
0.01609259 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01707537 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01729458 Spanish_Alacant
0.01820029 Spanish_Menorca
0.01829007 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01881891 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01902594 Spanish_Baleares
0.01955197 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01978173 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02002708 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02013133 Spanish_Castello
0.02065433 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02135774 Spanish_Aragon
0.02152286 Spanish_Lleida
0.02154523 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02232289 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02232535 Spanish_Penedes
0.02238546 Spanish_Girona
0.02368600 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02472515 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02547411 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02635202 Spanish_Navarra
0.03096959 Spanish_Asturias
0.03111536 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03198286 French_Provence
0.03205436 Italian_Bergamo
0.03270021 French_South
0.03285520 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03381357 Italian_Veneto
0.03382321 French_Auvergne
0.03462821 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03552712 Italian_Lombardy
0.03602826 Swiss_French
0.03616846 Italian_Liguria
0.03629967 Spanish_Canarias
0.03642251 French_Corsica
0.03733552 Spanish_Soria
0.03823187 French_Occitanie
0.03925165 Italian_Piedmont
0.03931329 Italian_Northeast
0.03983140 Swiss_Italian
0.04212532 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04461130 Basque_French
0.04501419 Italian_Tuscany
0.04693874 Basque_Spanish
0.04897167 Swiss_German
0.05009139 French_Paris
0.05155739 French_Alsace
0.05252359 French_Nord
0.05403434 Italian_Umbria
0.05465413 Italian_Marche
0.05529653 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05619196 Belgian
0.05740551 Greek_Thessaly
0.05755124 Romanian
0.05807528 Albanian
0.05908091 Italian_Lazio
0.06002693 Bulgarian
0.06021745 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.06258354 Sicilian_West
0.06266908 Montenegrin
0.06337021 Macedonian
0.06387971 Serbian
0.06422434 Gagauz
0.06493669 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06602710 Italian_Abruzzo
0.06675066 Italian_Molise
0.06680322 Afrikaner
0.06790758 Austrian
0.06893684 French_Brittany
0.07078328 Moldovan
0.07123637 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07145611 German
0.07203872 Italian_Apulia
0.07327910 Sicilian_East
0.07374535 Italian_Basilicata
0.07450709 Maltese
0.07457166 Bosnian
0.07461169 Greek_Izmir
0.07561955 Croatian
0.07586566 English_Cornwall
0.07590217 Welsh
0.07602750 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.07665357 Italian_Campania
0.07700967 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.07713159 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.07722999 Hungarian
0.07751851 Slovenian
0.07780990 English
0.07781739 Roma_Barcelona
0.07903450 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.08022602 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.08061307 Italian_Calabria
0.08078205 Dutch
0.08184897 Scottish
0.08195598 Orcadian

I was making my little and stupid calculator just while you posted that.

I didn´t put Irish, Scottish or Welsh, but I can add them if you want.

Grace O'Malley
05-26-2020, 12:08 AM
I was making my little and stupid calculator just while you posted that.

I didn´t put Irish, Scottish or Welsh, but I can add them if you want.

Spain is a big country and there are some differences between the areas obviously not the big differences that occur in Italy but they are there. I think every country would have some differences if they were split up.

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:19 AM
Spain is a big country and there are some differences between the areas obviously not the big differences that occur in Italy but they are there. I think every country would have some differences if they were split up.

I tried to do a great source with all the samples of British Islands , Spain and Portugal from individual sclaed datasheet, but it´s not a good idea...

I put a list of my first 100 distances expecting to see any British Island or Sicilian sample, and all af them are from Spain:picard1:

Anyway, in the model I posted my results are:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7170% / 0.01717021
60.2 Spanish_Cantabria
20.0 Portuguese
13.8 Spanish_Andalucia
5.6 English_Cornwall
0.4 English

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01886758 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02332999 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02532658 Portuguese
0.06574595 English_Cornwall
0.06793278 English
0.07641814 Sicilian_West
0.08690150 Sicilian_East

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:33 AM
With all British islands , Portuguese, Sicilian(only 6) and Spanish (Basque Spanish included) samples:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 0.7762% / 0.00776181
30.4 Basque_Spanish
26.0 Portuguese
13.8 Spanish_Galicia
7.4 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
5.8 Spanish_Andalucia
5.2 Irish
3.4 Spanish_Valencia
2.4 Spanish_Mallorca
2.0 Spanish_Canarias
1.8 Spanish_Eivissa
1.2 Spanish_Barcelones
0.4 Scottish
0.2 Spanish_Castello

List of 300 first populations, in red my first non Iberian populations...

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01950974 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.02062329 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01513
0.02086292 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
0.02144147 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.02219181 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra1
0.02276497 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV014_2
0.02287657 Spanish_Penedes:FER023
0.02309047 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.02360072 Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029
0.02424015 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL051
0.02438934 Spanish_Castello:SAB019
0.02446617 Spanish_Aragon:HG01675
0.02447669 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01512
0.02542444 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.02572752 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV013_2
0.02576538 Spanish_Castello:PIT001
0.02578495 Spanish_Aragon:HG01676
0.02581134 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.02595363 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.02602345 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01504
0.02608425 Spanish_Penedes:SAB014
0.02617431 Spanish_Girona:ROB116
0.02635440 Spanish_Baleares:HG01615
0.02637236 Spanish_Valencia:SOL084
0.02660715 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUS202
0.02660759 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.02662078 Spanish_Lleida:FER007
0.02663962 Spanish_Andalucia:AND33
0.02675744 Spanish_Penedes:VID037
0.02694409 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:BOS029
0.02699902 Spanish_Alacant:NAC135
0.02706319 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:VID057
0.02713254 Spanish_Girona:ROI027
0.02725458 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV012_2
0.02728397 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA011
0.02729401 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.02729875 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
0.02757881 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB009
0.02757927 Spanish_Valencia:GRA016
0.02761832 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.02778707 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.02781134 Spanish_Lleida:RIC076
0.02782184 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:RAG111
0.02783035 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROS008
0.02797008 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FER039
0.02804221 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015
0.02846154 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV015_2
0.02850137 Spanish_Lleida:ROS005
0.02866304 Spanish_Galicia:GAL74
0.02881905 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02908485 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01503
0.02921245 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:VID048
0.02921574 Spanish_Menorca:GUS007
0.02931446 Spanish_Valencia:EST038
0.02938939 Spanish_Mallorca:CAL026
0.02940262 Spanish_Mallorca:ROI096
0.02949263 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB131
0.02956549 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
0.02963687 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ARM005
0.02968556 Spanish_Girona:REI087
0.02971916 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FOR067
0.02978225 Spanish_Valencia:FER097
0.02978567 Portuguese:Portugal2
0.02980980 Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
0.02982547 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:MAS016
0.02987994 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.02988602 Spanish_Andalucia:AND18
0.02991564 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG02238
0.03003466 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03003638 Spanish_Mallorca:ALE339
0.03005980 Spanish_Lleida:FOR066
0.03023172 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.03025778 Spanish_Mallorca:MAY035
0.03026127 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR016
0.03026570 Spanish_Menorca:PON058
0.03031180 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03033924 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra2
0.03034164 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.03034858 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.03039928 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03040666 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV011_2
0.03047148 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.03049822 Spanish_Andalucia:AND14
0.03051504 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.03053921 Spanish_Penedes:STC091
0.03057752 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:VID044
0.03059500 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01619
0.03061794 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03068955 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV009_2
0.03069949 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:GUS008
0.03074307 Spanish_Pirineu:SAB137
0.03090504 Spanish_Andalucia:AND46
0.03100035 Spanish_Castello:ALB231
0.03106753 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.03109996 Spanish_Galicia:GAL3
0.03110990 Spanish_Valencia:HG01606
0.03114181 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03114639 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:SER027
0.03115991 Spanish_Alacant:SLA017
0.03116179 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.03123197 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUL190
0.03138051 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.03154134 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03155798 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAL107
0.03168871 Spanish_Baleares:HG01613
0.03171261 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS040
0.03175042 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03175366 Spanish_Andalucia:AND84
0.03181276 Spanish_Murcia:HG01618
0.03184616 Spanish_Lleida:GUS036
0.03197598 Spanish_Mallorca:MST073
0.03197874 Spanish_Andalucia:AND43
0.03214752 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR212
0.03215680 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.03216622 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03218947 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03220622 Spanish_Galicia:GAL25
0.03226870 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03231410 Spanish_Penedes:GUS029
0.03235229 Spanish_Girona:DAN072
0.03235691 Spanish_Valencia:BON076
0.03255094 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03263541 Spanish_Mallorca:MEL022
0.03263605 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03266729 Spanish_Valencia:HG01607
0.03274236 Spanish_Menorca:FER054
0.03275541 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:COM032
0.03287161 Spanish_Alacant:ALE009
0.03294272 Spanish_Mallorca:SOL053
0.03295828 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.03302876 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FOR094
0.03307904 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03308185 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03308947 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03322948 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:CAL053
0.03323516 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03323607 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03330762 Spanish_Penedes:SER022
0.03332337 Portuguese:Portugal7
0.03341526 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.03344292 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.03358622 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.03360760 Spanish_Eivissa:SER064
0.03378732 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.03383326 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03383465 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:MAS003
0.03386938 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:COD068
0.03389138 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03389149 Spanish_Penedes:BOS015
0.03399280 Spanish_Aragon:HG01678
0.03407298 Spanish_Castello:FER033
0.03408591 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:GRA020
0.03409314 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03423548 Spanish_Lleida:GUS014
0.03426460 Spanish_Pirineu:SER011
0.03442876 Portuguese:Portugal11
0.03457186 Spanish_Alacant:CAR257
0.03489486 Spanish_Lleida:FER015
0.03491710 Portuguese:Portugal13
0.03518624 Basque_Spanish:BAS32
0.03521871 Spanish_Castello:CAR200
0.03523728 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03529785 Spanish_Alacant:MAS064
0.03531054 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.03550088 Spanish_La_Rioja:La_Rioja1
0.03554166 Portuguese:Portugal3
0.03555801 Portuguese:Portugal5
0.03573922 Spanish_Galicia:GAL16
0.03600454 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:RIC106
0.03611890 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.03623647 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03626040 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR007
0.03626259 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV010_2
0.03631974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.03645615 Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
0.03645860 Spanish_Galicia:GAL24
0.03647818 Spanish_Galicia:GAL26
0.03648127 Portuguese:Portugal1
0.03669347 Spanish_Barcelones:VID014
0.03673461 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03677084 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.03703102 Spanish_Eivissa:CAR256
0.03708273 Spanish_Galicia:GAL71
0.03714858 Portuguese:Portugal9
0.03714892 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
0.03726109 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS203
0.03736321 Portuguese:Portugal14
0.03741940 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03745790 Spanish_Girona:ROB127
0.03753128 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.03760095 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.03774497 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.03779070 Spanish_Penedes:ROS025
0.03780321 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.03781654 Basque_Spanish:BAS31
0.03801394 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.03801666 Spanish_Soria:Soria2
0.03805058 Spanish_Girona:MOR061
0.03809854 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:MOR068
0.03831643 Spanish_Andalucia:AND2
0.03833947 Spanish_Murcia:HG01697
0.03836326 Spanish_Canarias:CAN884
0.03844635 Spanish_Galicia:GAL21
0.03859861 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV004_2
0.03869329 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
0.03885293 Spanish_Galicia:GAL20
0.03893142 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699
0.03903526 Spanish_Murcia:HG01617
0.03926896 Spanish_Galicia:GAL15
0.03929848 Spanish_Andalucia:AND39
0.03936866 Spanish_Penedes:ROB016
0.03945592 Basque_Spanish:BAS28
0.03969352 Spanish_Penedes:ALE088
0.03974192 Spanish_Girona:SER018
0.03998913 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA035
0.04002034 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.04002490 Spanish_Lleida:MIQ133
0.04017875 Spanish_Andalucia:AND7
0.04019669 Spanish_Galicia:GAL44
0.04053772 Basque_Spanish:BAS33
0.04100062 Spanish_Mallorca:GRA135
0.04103388 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV001_2
0.04189453 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
0.04275323 Spanish_Canarias:CAN18
0.04292677 Basque_Spanish:BAS35
0.04305417 Spanish_Valencia:ALB389
0.04323675 Basque_Spanish:BAS25
0.04340543 Basque_Spanish:BAS22
0.04342097 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.04429673 Basque_Spanish:BAS27
0.04634505 Spanish_Canarias:CAN9
0.04667438 Spanish_Canarias:CAN956
0.04739846 Basque_Spanish:BAS30
0.04807183 Spanish_Canarias:CAN3
0.04945608 Portuguese:Portugal4
0.05104806 Spanish_Canarias:CAN11
0.05188618 Spanish_Canarias:CAN12
0.05251712 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.05299552 Spanish_Canarias:HG01694
0.05340390 Spanish_Canarias:HG01695
0.05342891 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1920
0.05559546 Spanish_Canarias:CAN4
0.05645582 Spanish_Canarias:CAN19
0.05737570 Spanish_Canarias:CAN17
0.06012594 Welsh:WalesDR56
0.06017912 English_Cornwall:HG00236
0.06069319 English_Cornwall:HG00235
0.06132905 English:English4
0.06157537 English:HG01790
0.06245165 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1220
0.06268832 Welsh:WalesBK58
0.06284232 Welsh:WalesL40
0.06293743 Scottish:Scottish23
0.06307279 Welsh:WalesBK68
0.06312505 Welsh:WalesBK21
0.06384868 Irish:Irish32
0.06445806 Irish:Irish12
0.06483146 English:England12
0.06493836 Welsh:WalesDR84
0.06522841 Irish:Irish13
0.06530739 English_Cornwall:HG00239
0.06542483 English_Cornwall:HG00261
0.06596885 English:HG01791
0.06606044 Welsh:WalesL42
0.06637632 Welsh:WalesL44
0.06660840 Welsh:WalesL86
0.06698915 English_Cornwall:HG00255
0.06709155 Scottish:Scottish25
0.06718155 Scottish:Scottish5
0.06733849 English_Cornwall:HG00259
0.06746990 Scottish:Scottish7
0.06799548 English:England9
0.06848003 English_Cornwall:HG00264
0.06889871 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.06921169 Irish:Irish21
0.06933627 Irish:Irish46
0.06956791 Scottish:Scottish9
0.06975030 Spanish_Canarias:CAN13
0.06998459 Irish:Irish29
0.07013964 Spanish_Canarias:CAN2
0.07030461 Welsh:WalesBK54
0.07050102 Spanish_Canarias:CAN10
0.07051010 Irish:Irish28
0.07057631 Scottish:Scottish10
0.07064980 English:England13
0.07083708 Welsh:WalesCHF56
0.07092446 English_Cornwall:HG00160
0.07099184 English:English5
0.07121166 English:English1
0.07128607 English_Cornwall:HG00252
0.07146225 Irish:Irish51
0.07150107 English:English6
0.07178574 English:HG01789
0.07182554 Irish:Irish39
0.07204555 Irish:Irish45
0.07217276 Scottish:Scottish24
0.07234337 English_Cornwall:HG00243
0.07245548 English_Cornwall:HG00253
0.07246428 Welsh:WalesDR99
0.07247405 Scottish:Scottish14


Edit:I added in green first Sicilian population

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:38 AM
With all British islands , Portuguese, Sicilian(only 6) and Spanish (Basque Spanish included) samples:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 0.7762% / 0.00776181
30.4 Basque_Spanish
26.0 Portuguese
13.8 Spanish_Galicia
7.4 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
5.8 Spanish_Andalucia
5.2 Irish
3.4 Spanish_Valencia
2.4 Spanish_Mallorca
2.0 Spanish_Canarias
1.8 Spanish_Eivissa
1.2 Spanish_Barcelones
0.4 Scottish
0.2 Spanish_Castello

List of 300 first populations, in red my first non Iberian populations...

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01950974 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.02062329 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01513
0.02086292 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
0.02144147 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.02219181 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra1
0.02276497 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV014_2
0.02287657 Spanish_Penedes:FER023
0.02309047 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.02360072 Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029
0.02424015 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL051
0.02438934 Spanish_Castello:SAB019
0.02446617 Spanish_Aragon:HG01675
0.02447669 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01512
0.02542444 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.02572752 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV013_2
0.02576538 Spanish_Castello:PIT001
0.02578495 Spanish_Aragon:HG01676
0.02581134 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.02595363 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.02602345 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01504
0.02608425 Spanish_Penedes:SAB014
0.02617431 Spanish_Girona:ROB116
0.02635440 Spanish_Baleares:HG01615
0.02637236 Spanish_Valencia:SOL084
0.02660715 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUS202
0.02660759 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.02662078 Spanish_Lleida:FER007
0.02663962 Spanish_Andalucia:AND33
0.02675744 Spanish_Penedes:VID037
0.02694409 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:BOS029
0.02699902 Spanish_Alacant:NAC135
0.02706319 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:VID057
0.02713254 Spanish_Girona:ROI027
0.02725458 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV012_2
0.02728397 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA011
0.02729401 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.02729875 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
0.02757881 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB009
0.02757927 Spanish_Valencia:GRA016
0.02761832 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.02778707 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.02781134 Spanish_Lleida:RIC076
0.02782184 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:RAG111
0.02783035 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROS008
0.02797008 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FER039
0.02804221 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015
0.02846154 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV015_2
0.02850137 Spanish_Lleida:ROS005
0.02866304 Spanish_Galicia:GAL74
0.02881905 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02908485 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01503
0.02921245 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:VID048
0.02921574 Spanish_Menorca:GUS007
0.02931446 Spanish_Valencia:EST038
0.02938939 Spanish_Mallorca:CAL026
0.02940262 Spanish_Mallorca:ROI096
0.02949263 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB131
0.02956549 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
0.02963687 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ARM005
0.02968556 Spanish_Girona:REI087
0.02971916 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FOR067
0.02978225 Spanish_Valencia:FER097
0.02978567 Portuguese:Portugal2
0.02980980 Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
0.02982547 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:MAS016
0.02987994 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.02988602 Spanish_Andalucia:AND18
0.02991564 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG02238
0.03003466 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03003638 Spanish_Mallorca:ALE339
0.03005980 Spanish_Lleida:FOR066
0.03023172 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.03025778 Spanish_Mallorca:MAY035
0.03026127 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR016
0.03026570 Spanish_Menorca:PON058
0.03031180 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03033924 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra2
0.03034164 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.03034858 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.03039928 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03040666 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV011_2
0.03047148 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.03049822 Spanish_Andalucia:AND14
0.03051504 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.03053921 Spanish_Penedes:STC091
0.03057752 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:VID044
0.03059500 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01619
0.03061794 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03068955 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV009_2
0.03069949 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:GUS008
0.03074307 Spanish_Pirineu:SAB137
0.03090504 Spanish_Andalucia:AND46
0.03100035 Spanish_Castello:ALB231
0.03106753 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.03109996 Spanish_Galicia:GAL3
0.03110990 Spanish_Valencia:HG01606
0.03114181 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03114639 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:SER027
0.03115991 Spanish_Alacant:SLA017
0.03116179 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.03123197 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUL190
0.03138051 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.03154134 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03155798 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAL107
0.03168871 Spanish_Baleares:HG01613
0.03171261 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS040
0.03175042 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03175366 Spanish_Andalucia:AND84
0.03181276 Spanish_Murcia:HG01618
0.03184616 Spanish_Lleida:GUS036
0.03197598 Spanish_Mallorca:MST073
0.03197874 Spanish_Andalucia:AND43
0.03214752 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR212
0.03215680 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.03216622 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03218947 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03220622 Spanish_Galicia:GAL25
0.03226870 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03231410 Spanish_Penedes:GUS029
0.03235229 Spanish_Girona:DAN072
0.03235691 Spanish_Valencia:BON076
0.03255094 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03263541 Spanish_Mallorca:MEL022
0.03263605 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03266729 Spanish_Valencia:HG01607
0.03274236 Spanish_Menorca:FER054
0.03275541 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:COM032
0.03287161 Spanish_Alacant:ALE009
0.03294272 Spanish_Mallorca:SOL053
0.03295828 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.03302876 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FOR094
0.03307904 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03308185 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03308947 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03322948 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:CAL053
0.03323516 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03323607 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03330762 Spanish_Penedes:SER022
0.03332337 Portuguese:Portugal7
0.03341526 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.03344292 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.03358622 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.03360760 Spanish_Eivissa:SER064
0.03378732 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.03383326 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03383465 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:MAS003
0.03386938 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:COD068
0.03389138 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03389149 Spanish_Penedes:BOS015
0.03399280 Spanish_Aragon:HG01678
0.03407298 Spanish_Castello:FER033
0.03408591 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:GRA020
0.03409314 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03423548 Spanish_Lleida:GUS014
0.03426460 Spanish_Pirineu:SER011
0.03442876 Portuguese:Portugal11
0.03457186 Spanish_Alacant:CAR257
0.03489486 Spanish_Lleida:FER015
0.03491710 Portuguese:Portugal13
0.03518624 Basque_Spanish:BAS32
0.03521871 Spanish_Castello:CAR200
0.03523728 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03529785 Spanish_Alacant:MAS064
0.03531054 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.03550088 Spanish_La_Rioja:La_Rioja1
0.03554166 Portuguese:Portugal3
0.03555801 Portuguese:Portugal5
0.03573922 Spanish_Galicia:GAL16
0.03600454 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:RIC106
0.03611890 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.03623647 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03626040 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR007
0.03626259 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV010_2
0.03631974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.03645615 Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
0.03645860 Spanish_Galicia:GAL24
0.03647818 Spanish_Galicia:GAL26
0.03648127 Portuguese:Portugal1
0.03669347 Spanish_Barcelones:VID014
0.03673461 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03677084 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.03703102 Spanish_Eivissa:CAR256
0.03708273 Spanish_Galicia:GAL71
0.03714858 Portuguese:Portugal9
0.03714892 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
0.03726109 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS203
0.03736321 Portuguese:Portugal14
0.03741940 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03745790 Spanish_Girona:ROB127
0.03753128 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.03760095 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.03774497 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.03779070 Spanish_Penedes:ROS025
0.03780321 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.03781654 Basque_Spanish:BAS31
0.03801394 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.03801666 Spanish_Soria:Soria2
0.03805058 Spanish_Girona:MOR061
0.03809854 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:MOR068
0.03831643 Spanish_Andalucia:AND2
0.03833947 Spanish_Murcia:HG01697
0.03836326 Spanish_Canarias:CAN884
0.03844635 Spanish_Galicia:GAL21
0.03859861 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV004_2
0.03869329 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
0.03885293 Spanish_Galicia:GAL20
0.03893142 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699
0.03903526 Spanish_Murcia:HG01617
0.03926896 Spanish_Galicia:GAL15
0.03929848 Spanish_Andalucia:AND39
0.03936866 Spanish_Penedes:ROB016
0.03945592 Basque_Spanish:BAS28
0.03969352 Spanish_Penedes:ALE088
0.03974192 Spanish_Girona:SER018
0.03998913 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA035
0.04002034 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.04002490 Spanish_Lleida:MIQ133
0.04017875 Spanish_Andalucia:AND7
0.04019669 Spanish_Galicia:GAL44
0.04053772 Basque_Spanish:BAS33
0.04100062 Spanish_Mallorca:GRA135
0.04103388 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV001_2
0.04189453 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
0.04275323 Spanish_Canarias:CAN18
0.04292677 Basque_Spanish:BAS35
0.04305417 Spanish_Valencia:ALB389
0.04323675 Basque_Spanish:BAS25
0.04340543 Basque_Spanish:BAS22
0.04342097 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.04429673 Basque_Spanish:BAS27
0.04634505 Spanish_Canarias:CAN9
0.04667438 Spanish_Canarias:CAN956
0.04739846 Basque_Spanish:BAS30
0.04807183 Spanish_Canarias:CAN3
0.04945608 Portuguese:Portugal4
0.05104806 Spanish_Canarias:CAN11
0.05188618 Spanish_Canarias:CAN12
0.05251712 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.05299552 Spanish_Canarias:HG01694
0.05340390 Spanish_Canarias:HG01695
0.05342891 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1920
0.05559546 Spanish_Canarias:CAN4
0.05645582 Spanish_Canarias:CAN19
0.05737570 Spanish_Canarias:CAN17
0.06012594 Welsh:WalesDR56
0.06017912 English_Cornwall:HG00236
0.06069319 English_Cornwall:HG00235
0.06132905 English:English4
0.06157537 English:HG01790
0.06245165 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1220
0.06268832 Welsh:WalesBK58
0.06284232 Welsh:WalesL40
0.06293743 Scottish:Scottish23
0.06307279 Welsh:WalesBK68
0.06312505 Welsh:WalesBK21
0.06384868 Irish:Irish32
0.06445806 Irish:Irish12
0.06483146 English:England12
0.06493836 Welsh:WalesDR84
0.06522841 Irish:Irish13
0.06530739 English_Cornwall:HG00239
0.06542483 English_Cornwall:HG00261
0.06596885 English:HG01791
0.06606044 Welsh:WalesL42
0.06637632 Welsh:WalesL44
0.06660840 Welsh:WalesL86
0.06698915 English_Cornwall:HG00255
0.06709155 Scottish:Scottish25
0.06718155 Scottish:Scottish5
0.06733849 English_Cornwall:HG00259
0.06746990 Scottish:Scottish7
0.06799548 English:England9
0.06848003 English_Cornwall:HG00264
0.06889871 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.06921169 Irish:Irish21
0.06933627 Irish:Irish46
0.06956791 Scottish:Scottish9
0.06975030 Spanish_Canarias:CAN13
0.06998459 Irish:Irish29
0.07013964 Spanish_Canarias:CAN2
0.07030461 Welsh:WalesBK54
0.07050102 Spanish_Canarias:CAN10
0.07051010 Irish:Irish28
0.07057631 Scottish:Scottish10
0.07064980 English:England13
0.07083708 Welsh:WalesCHF56
0.07092446 English_Cornwall:HG00160
0.07099184 English:English5
0.07121166 English:English1
0.07128607 English_Cornwall:HG00252
0.07146225 Irish:Irish51
0.07150107 English:English6
0.07178574 English:HG01789
0.07182554 Irish:Irish39
0.07204555 Irish:Irish45
0.07217276 Scottish:Scottish24
0.07234337 English_Cornwall:HG00243
0.07245548 English_Cornwall:HG00253
0.07246428 Welsh:WalesDR99
0.07247405 Scottish:Scottish14

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:44 AM
My first population and distances from any zone:

0.01950974 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.06017912 English_Cornwall:HG00236
0.06889871 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H

gixajo
05-26-2020, 12:51 AM
If antone want to try it, I take samples from the sources of this calculator:

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled.htm

So copy paste:

All sources from British islands: Irish, English, Wells and Scottish.
All sources form Sicilia (I found, only 6)
All sources from Portugal
All sources from Spain, including Canary Islands and Basque Spanish.

Defcon2
05-26-2020, 08:27 AM
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.0552% / 0.02055170
36.6 Spanish_Canarias
25.2 Spanish_Mallorca
20.0 Spanish_Andalucia
7.0 Spanish_Navarra
4.8 Spanish_Aragon
3.6 Irish
2.2 Spanish_Murcia
0.6 Spanish_Valencia

First 300 samples.


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03119362 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03216631 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03223318 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03226207 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03247699 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03267708 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03290500 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03294703 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03313840 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03361942 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03375428 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03380505 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03443837 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.03452475 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03456648 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.03491974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03496530 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03502838 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03504822 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699
0.03551705 Spanish_Andalucia:AND84
0.03560561 Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
0.03579214 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03585342 Spanish_Baleares:HG01615
0.03587691 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.03603622 Spanish_Alacant:MAS064
0.03613112 Spanish_Menorca:FER054
0.03639849 Spanish_Murcia:HG01697
0.03674412 Spanish_Menorca:GUS007
0.03675421 Spanish_Alacant:NAC135
0.03690909 Spanish_Mallorca:ALE339
0.03706106 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03706442 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01619
0.03713464 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03714118 Spanish_Galicia:GAL71
0.03717930 Spanish_Girona:ROI027
0.03731501 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.03748397 Spanish_Canarias:CAN3
0.03787191 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.03791586 Spanish_Canarias:CAN12
0.03793539 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03800649 Spanish_Aragon:HG01678
0.03807279 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.03810973 Spanish_Alacant:CAR257
0.03822202 Spanish_Girona:ROB116
0.03830607 Spanish_Valencia:HG01607
0.03840251 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01513
0.03848341 Spanish_Canarias:CAN4
0.03854078 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03871967 Spanish_Andalucia:AND2
0.03873658 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
0.03899525 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
0.03903022 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.03918253 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV012_2
0.03918594 Spanish_Andalucia:AND14
0.03931222 Spanish_Murcia:HG01618
0.03938545 Portuguese:Portugal9
0.03938827 Spanish_Canarias:CAN18
0.03940440 Spanish_Canarias:CAN11
0.03952398 Spanish_Canarias:HG01695
0.03962228 Spanish_Galicia:GAL24
0.03968566 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:VID048
0.03983623 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:COM032
0.03986187 Spanish_Eivissa:SER064
0.03988294 Spanish_Canarias:CAN956
0.04012044 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR212
0.04021839 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV011_2
0.04035496 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.04039369 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:BOS029
0.04054613 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA011
0.04055017 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.04055981 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV010_2
0.04063835 Spanish_Valencia:SOL084
0.04083672 Portuguese:Portugal13
0.04093261 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV009_2
0.04109188 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
0.04110817 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01504
0.04117895 Spanish_Andalucia:AND33
0.04126217 Spanish_Valencia:HG01606
0.04130225 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG02238
0.04133727 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
0.04138119 Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
0.04142223 Spanish_Galicia:GAL74
0.04151081 Spanish_Castello:SAB019
0.04151193 Spanish_Penedes:FER023
0.04154383 Spanish_Eivissa:CAR256
0.04154693 Spanish_Galicia:GAL21
0.04166719 Spanish_Valencia:EST038
0.04166748 Spanish_Pirineu:SER011
0.04186199 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:GUS008
0.04202209 Spanish_Andalucia:AND46
0.04209744 Spanish_Canarias:HG01694
0.04237190 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB131
0.04240473 Spanish_Andalucia:AND18
0.04241586 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV014_2
0.04246196 Spanish_Lleida:RIC076
0.04264062 Spanish_Galicia:GAL16
0.04264496 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.04269170 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra1
0.04271106 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FER039
0.04281457 Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029
0.04286150 Spanish_Baleares:HG01613
0.04290215 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL051
0.04295108 Spanish_Girona:MOR061
0.04302488 Portuguese:Portugal3
0.04307269 Spanish_Aragon:HG01675
0.04311770 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV013_2
0.04316338 Spanish_Penedes:GUS029
0.04328103 Spanish_Lleida:GUS036
0.04331531 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FOR094
0.04362774 Spanish_Galicia:GAL44
0.04363832 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.04365027 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.04368843 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.04372368 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.04376037 Portuguese:Portugal2
0.04376906 Spanish_Andalucia:AND43
0.04379702 Spanish_Andalucia:AND7
0.04381097 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:COD068
0.04394862 Spanish_Galicia:GAL26
0.04395383 Spanish_Galicia:GAL3
0.04397204 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.04397701 Spanish_Canarias:CAN9
0.04402364 Spanish_Castello:ALB231
0.04405943 Spanish_Castello:PIT001
0.04442770 Spanish_Barcelones:VID014
0.04454958 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ARM005
0.04456617 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:MAS016
0.04499870 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015
0.04536510 Spanish_Lleida:FER015
0.04537610 Spanish_Aragon:HG01676
0.04544558 Spanish_Penedes:VID037
0.04546903 Spanish_Valencia:GRA016
0.04551047 Spanish_Lleida:GUS014
0.04551304 Spanish_Valencia:BON076
0.04555820 Spanish_Mallorca:CAL026
0.04567817 Spanish_Mallorca:MEL022
0.04587129 Spanish_Alacant:SLA017
0.04591247 Portuguese:Portugal14
0.04595305 Spanish_Mallorca:SOL053
0.04596124 Spanish_Canarias:CAN884
0.04615094 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01503
0.04620870 Spanish_Penedes:STC091
0.04655718 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB009
0.04656069 Spanish_Girona:REI087
0.04665158 Spanish_Mallorca:ROI096
0.04668395 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:SER027
0.04671308 Spanish_Valencia:FER097
0.04682198 Spanish_Galicia:GAL20
0.04756719 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:RAG111
0.04764125 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:FOR067
0.04781529 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUL190
0.04783134 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.04791965 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.04794933 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra2
0.04796122 Portuguese:Portugal4
0.04799868 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.04809873 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01512
0.04816169 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:CAL053
0.04821447 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.04829688 Spanish_Murcia:HG01617
0.04836566 Spanish_Menorca:PON058
0.04837650 Spanish_Penedes:SAB014
0.04838340 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.04839903 Spanish_Pirineu:SAB137
0.04871554 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
0.04885757 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS040
0.04886149 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUS202
0.04890380 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.04892419 Spanish_Penedes:SER022
0.04893785 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.04896175 Spanish_Castello:FER033
0.04915728 Spanish_Lleida:FOR066
0.04928862 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV001_2
0.04942312 Spanish_Alacant:ALE009
0.04954551 Spanish_Lleida:MIQ133
0.04956082 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:RIC106
0.04958534 Spanish_Lleida:ROS005
0.04966090 Spanish_Galicia:GAL25
0.04976454 Spanish_Penedes:BOS015
0.04979763 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:GRA020
0.04983797 Spanish_Penedes:ROS025
0.05004097 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:VID044
0.05004706 Portuguese:Portugal1
0.05010006 Portuguese:Portugal11
0.05016647 Spanish_Girona:ROB127
0.05019890 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV015_2
0.05025284 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:MAS003
0.05035188 Portuguese:Portugal7
0.05055444 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.05083100 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.05083592 Spanish_Lleida:FER007
0.05096256 Spanish_Valencia:ALB389
0.05121504 Spanish_Eivissa:EIV004_2
0.05125755 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.05129712 Spanish_Penedes:ROB016
0.05148559 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR016
0.05178443 Spanish_Canarias:CAN19
0.05190167 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1220
0.05191649 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:MOR068
0.05196223 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.05215288 Portuguese:Portugal5
0.05251521 Spanish_Mallorca:MST073
0.05251856 Spanish_Castello:CAR200
0.05257213 Spanish_Mallorca:MAY035
0.05258972 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.05273544 Spanish_Galicia:GAL15
0.05283769 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
0.05290375 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:VID057
0.05303875 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROS008
0.05319217 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.05322015 Spanish_Girona:DAN072
0.05349813 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.05375408 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1920
0.05403329 Spanish_Canarias:CAN17
0.05429481 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.05447737 Spanish_Canarias:CAN13
0.05448533 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAL107
0.05461137 Spanish_Canarias:CAN10
0.05461925 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.05494602 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR007
0.05517588 Spanish_Canarias:CAN2
0.05531620 Spanish_Andalucia:AND39
0.05594535 Spanish_Mallorca:GRA135
0.05606954 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS203
0.05626831 Spanish_Penedes:ALE088
0.05654656 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.05655284 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.05681773 Spanish_La_Rioja:La_Rioja1
0.05798509 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.05956678 Spanish_Soria:Soria2
0.06043188 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.06048383 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA035
0.06081025 Basque_Spanish:BAS25
0.06201988 Basque_Spanish:BAS27
0.06221039 Spanish_Girona:SER018
0.06236158 Basque_Spanish:BAS33
0.06348891 Basque_Spanish:BAS30
0.06395113 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1
0.06408129 Spanish_Canarias:CAN924
0.06431920 Basque_Spanish:BAS22
0.06530927 Basque_Spanish:BAS28
0.06531612 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.06576770 Basque_Spanish:BAS35
0.06610738 Basque_Spanish:BAS31
0.06733138 Basque_Spanish:BAS32
0.06842719 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.07547041 Welsh:WalesDR56
0.07557175 Scottish:Scottish23
0.07574030 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.07737321 English_Cornwall:HG00235
0.07836861 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.07901359 English_Cornwall:HG00236
0.07929238 Welsh:WalesDR84
0.07949998 English:HG01790
0.07951042 Welsh:WalesL40
0.07998079 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.08035977 English_Cornwall:HG00261
0.08122145 English:English4
0.08127613 English_Cornwall:HG00239
0.08164512 Scottish:Scottish7
0.08234302 Welsh:WalesBK21
0.08297693 English:HG01791
0.08300762 Welsh:WalesBK68
0.08309647 English_Cornwall:HG00252
0.08323730 Welsh:WalesL42
0.08340731 English_Cornwall:HG00255
0.08345816 Welsh:WalesBK58
0.08390184 Scottish:Scottish10
0.08425064 Irish:Irish32
0.08443840 Welsh:WalesL86
0.08453193 Irish:Irish29
0.08458852 Irish:Irish13
0.08467304 English:England12
0.08477902 Irish:Irish28
0.08482623 Scottish:Scottish14
0.08488639 Welsh:WalesBK54
0.08503243 Irish:Irish45
0.08555352 English_Cornwall:HG00264
0.08563853 Irish:Irish12
0.08572093 Scottish:Scottish11
0.08575954 English:England9
0.08578675 Irish:Irish49
0.08588533 Welsh:WalesL44
0.08608026 English_Cornwall:HG00259
0.08616308 Welsh:WalesBK33
0.08632927 English:English1
0.08648199 English_Cornwall:HG00253
0.08667847 Scottish:Scottish25
0.08672855 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.08713692 English:England7
0.08737936 Welsh:WalesDR99
0.08740529 Scottish:Scottish24
0.08758280 Irish:Irish19
0.08764769 Irish:Irish46

Closest sample of each place.

0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.06531612 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.07547041 Welsh:WalesDR56
0.07557175 Scottish:Scottish23
0.07574030 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.07737321 English_Cornwall:HG00235
0.07949998 English:HG01790
0.08425064 Irish:Irish32

Defcon2
05-26-2020, 08:55 AM
Spain is a big country and there are some differences between the areas obviously not the big differences that occur in Italy but they are there. I think every country would have some differences if they were split up.

In G25 there is an overrepresentation of the Catalan samples that are divided into many small regions. Basically they have all the variety of the Iberian peninsula, from the more northern shifted to the southern. I am even closer to some French samples than to some Spanish regions (such as Soria or some of Catalunya_Central).