Should people identify with their YDNA?

[Voskos]

For example many Greeks, Balkanites have MENA,Germanic Latin or Slavic haplogroups that don't match their ethnic group. On the other hand, autosomally they are pretty much identical to their coethnics. Should they feel any connection to the place where their YDNA originated?

[TheMaestro]

I identify myself, with my food

[Bosniensis]

No.

Because if Greek J2a goes to Mongolia and spend 10 generations there, he will be a Mongol with distant Greek ancestry.

So Autosomal is the most important.

Degradation goes very fast:

1. 100% Greek > 100% Mongol > 50% Greek/50% Mongol > 100% Mongol> 25% Greek/75% Mongol etc...

YDNA is very important for tracking migrations.

[LoLeL]

If you follow Rethel's logic, then YASSS!

[Voskos]

No.

Because if Greek J2a goes to Mongolia and spend 10 generations there, he will be a Mongol with distant Greek ancestry.

So Autosomal is the most important.

Degradation goes very fast:

1. 100% Greek > 100% Mongol > 50% Greek/50% Mongol > 100% Mongol> 25% Greek/75% Mongol etc...

YDNA is very important for tracking migrations.

i recently found out my patrilinear ancestry was catholic from medieval migrations(through genealogy and genetics).but i am myself orthodox, and feel no connection to catholics nor do i look like one.

[Bosniensis]

i recently found out my patrilinear ancestry was catholic from medieval migrations(through genealogy and genetics).but i am myself orthodox, and feel no connection to catholics nor do i look like one.

Bear in mind that up to 11th century everyone was Catholic .. Catholic/Orthodox division started only later when Roman Emperor demanded Pope to kneel before him.

So if someone 900 years ago said he was a Catholic, that doesn't mean he isn't orthodox today.

[Thanas Django]

Bear in mind that up to 11th century everyone was Catholic .. Catholic/Orthodox division started only later when Roman Emperor demanded Pope to kneel before him.

So if someone 900 years ago said he was a Catholic, that doesn't mean he isn't orthodox today.

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sources?

[Jana]

No. Stears is I1, he feels no connection to Scandinavians at all, in fact, he doesn't like these countries.

[Bosniensis]

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sources?

Why would you need a source for something so obvious?

After Pope Zachary in 7th century Germans installed a German Pope i.e the one that hasn't been appointed by Emperor.

From that period Emperor vs Pope rivalry started. Emperor claimed that he represent Christianity and all Christians on Earth, while Pope claimed that he is "Holy Father".

Emperor threatened that he will come to Rome and execute him, Pope asked for support of Germanic peoples who gave Pope a status of Emperor in return that he proclaims some of them "Germans" as Emperor. (Charlemagne shit).

Aside from Political, Religious views deepened such as Iconoclast views by Leo and others that ended in Schism.

Pro-Emperor forces (Romans) became Orthodoxes, while traitors and Pro-Germans stayed "Catholics".

you can read some of it here http://grbs.library.duke.edu/article/download/11101/4231

and many other books I don't have at hand atm.

[Thanas Django]

Why would you need a source for something so obvious?

After Pope Zachary in 7th century Germans installed a German Pope i.e the one that hasn't been appointed by Emperor.

From that period Emperor vs Pope rivalry started. Emperor claimed that he represent Christianity and all Christians on Earth, while Pope claimed that he is "Holy Father".

Emperor threatened that he will come to Rome and execute him, Pope asked for support of Germanic peoples who gave Pope a status of Emperor in return that he proclaims some of them "Germans" as Emperor. (Charlemagne shit).

Aside from Political, Religious views deepened such as Iconoclast views by Leo and others that ended in Schism.

Pro-Emperor forces (Romans) became Orthodoxes, while traitors and Pro-Germans stayed "Catholics".

you can read some of it here http://grbs.library.duke.edu/article/download/11101/4231

and many other books I don't have at hand atm.

What you claim and your source are incompatible.
You may as well have quoted a recipe for burek, it would have made the same amount of sense.

[Bosniensis]

What you claim and your source are incompatible.
You may as well have quoted a recipe for burek, it would have made the same amount of sense.

I don't claim anything.

I don't invent history, it happened by itself and I am telling you what others said:

This part is related to what I explained eariler:

"In an earlier age popes and emperors in western Europe were guilty of a calculated breach of etiquette when they addressed the Emperor in Constantinople as imperator Graecorum, Emperor of the Greeks instead of Emperor of the Romans. The Emperor Nikephoros Phokas in 968 made an angry complaint on this score to Bishop Liutprand of Cremona when Otto the Great of Germany tried to exalt his own dignity by belittling that of the one true Emperor. Nikephoros pointed out to Otto's ambassador that his master was a mere barbarian king who had no conceiv-able right to call himself either a Roman"

"The Emperor was the elect of God, crowned by God and guarded by God. His person was sacred and he ruled from the Sacred Palace inthe Queen of Cities as God's regent on earth: he was the terrestrialimage of the Logos of God reigning over the earthly reflexion of theKingdom of Heaven. The Byzantine Empire was not, like the king-doms or principalities of antiquity, a temporary phenomenon whichwould one day come to an end. It was «a realm foreseen in the planof the Creator, anchored in Christian eschatology, organically in-volved in the age-old history of mankind and destined to endure untilthe Second Coming."

Emperors regarded Popes/Patriarchs merely as public servents who can be appointed and removed anyday.

AVE CAESAR :)

Orthodox Religion is a Roman Religion
Modern Catholicism is a German Paganism .

They are both pagan from my standpoint but let's not go into it.

[Voskos]

Bear in mind that up to 11th century everyone was Catholic .. Catholic/Orthodox division started only later when Roman Emperor demanded Pope to kneel before him.

So if someone 900 years ago said he was a Catholic, that doesn't mean he isn't orthodox today.

my ydna is from latins that conquered my island. its the only way to explain why i match latins from 1500 years ago, and no greeks at all(only talking about ydna level).

[Bosniensis]

my ydna is from latins that conquered my island. its the only way to explain why i match latins from 1500 years ago, and no greeks at all(only talking about ydna level).

What Island is in question, and what invaders, tell me so I can check my library (brain) xD

[Ülev]

If you follow Rethel's logic, then YASSS!

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[rein]

Is the paternal line the only one that counts?

[Leto]

Bear in mind that up to 11th century everyone was Catholic .. Catholic/Orthodox division started only later when Roman Emperor demanded Pope to kneel before him.

So if someone 900 years ago said he was a Catholic, that doesn't mean he isn't orthodox today.
Everyone was Orthodox, not Catholic. Then the papacy brought heresy and division. Just sayin'.

[Leto]

No.

Because if Greek J2a goes to Mongolia and spend 10 generations there, he will be a Mongol with distant Greek ancestry.

So Autosomal is the most important.

Degradation goes very fast:

1. 100% Greek > 100% Mongol > 50% Greek/50% Mongol > 100% Mongol> 25% Greek/75% Mongol etc...

YDNA is very important for tracking migrations.
I fully agree with you on this. Although haplogroups are an interesting thing too and can be part of one's identity.

[Bosniensis]

Everyone was Orthodox, not Catholic. Then the papacy brought heresy and division. Just sayin'.

No.

Catholic Popes existed during Roman Empire (those Early Popes).

For Example: Catholic Pope Caius (Gaj) from Dalmatia was a Pope during the reign of Emperor Diocletian.
Emperor Diocletian was Roman Emperor who was Hellenic Pagan and who prosecuted Christians.

In early 3rd Century Constantine promoted Christianity i.e. he legalized Christianity but in the sense that Emperor become
the most important figure in Christianity. He appointed Popes/Patriarchs etc..

Orthodoxy is basically continuation of Roman Catholicism of post 3rd century, while Modern Catholicism is Frankish and Germanic papacy that
has nothing to do with Hellenic population of Italy or Greece. They just named it "Catholic" cause of first Catholics but those are not the same people.

[Thanas Django]

For Example: Catholic Pope Caius (Gaj) from Dalmatia was a Pope during the reign of Emperor Diocletian.
Emperor Diocletian was Roman Emperor who was Hellenic Pagan and who prosecuted Christians.



He wasn't a "catholic Pope", he was the Pope or bishop of the church of Rome. There were other churches such as the church of Antioch where Cyprus belonged to before we declared religious independence as the church of Cyprus.

The term "Roman catholic" was first used by the church of Rome to talk about their church after the schism.

Your wording implies that the head of the Christian church was in Rome when in fact, before the schism the head of all the churches (bar coptics and other oriental Christians as well as heretics) was the patriarch of Constantinople and "catholic" was one epithet out of many, just like "orthodox" to describe the Christian church as regulated by Constantinople with the consul of all other recognised churches such as Antioch, Rome e.t.c.

Catholic and Orthodox were more epithets of all the recognised churches rather than names of specific churches.

[Bosniensis]

He wasn't a "catholic Pope", he was the Pope or bishop of the church of Rome. There were other churches such as the church of Antioch where Cyprus belonged to before we declared religious independence as the church of Cyprus.

The term "Roman catholic" was first used by the church of Rome to talk about their church after the schism.

Your wording implies that the head of the Christian church was in Rome when in fact, before the schism the head of all the churches (bar coptics and other oriental Christians as well as heretics) was the patriarch of Constantinople and "catholic" was one epithet out of many, just like "orthodox" to describe the Christian church as regulated by Constantinople with the consul of all other recognised churches such as Antioch, Rome e.t.c.

Catholic and Orthodox were more epithets of all the recognised churches rather than names of specific churches.

Yes you are right a knew that but did not go that deep. I was just distinguishing that one in Rome and Constantinople.

Initially there were 5 during Nicene Creed am I right?

Alexandria, Antioch, Rome, Jerusalem and Constantinople

I was more interested in political aspect of Christianity I probably don’t understand that well organization of churches throughout history.

Islam practices similar religious authority to that of Imperial Administration and Divine Right of Emperors.


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[TheMaestro]

No. Stears is I1, he feels no connection to Scandinavians at all, in fact, he doesn't like these countries.

My boi

[Leto]

No. Stears is I1, he feels no connection to Scandinavians at all, in fact, he doesn't like these countries.
There's probably no country he genuinely likes. I'm not even sure he's a serious Hungarian nationalist.

[Leto]

My boi
I wonder what your Y-DNA is, bro.

[TheMaestro]

I wonder what your Y-DNA is, bro.

I dont like Scandinavians neither does he what does Y-DNA has to do with it? LUL.

[Leto]

I dont like Scandinavians neither does he what does Y-DNA has to do with it? LUL.
Nothing. The question is unrelated to that post.

[Jana]

There's probably no country he genuinely likes. I'm not even sure he's a serious Hungarian nationalist.
He likes Poland for example :)


I wonder what your Y-DNA is, bro.

He is E-V13.

[Leto]

He likes Poland for example :)

He thinks the Slavs are Asiatic and similar kinds of bullshit.

[Thambi]

no cause there are very diverse groups of ethnicities and even races that fall under certain haplogroups so y-dna doesnt mean much.

[alnortedelsur]

Obviously not. If I had to identify with my YDNA I would have to identify as middle easterner, being the case that I am majority European by a vast margin in my overall genetic composition.

It wouldn't make any sense for me.

[Gründig]

Well sure, if you wanna identify with around 1-2% of your dna....