Do these tests accurately predict "Arab" or "Near Eastern" admix or is it Mediterranean based?

[Congolese Rice]

DIY Steppe K10:

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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22.22% Near_Eastern
0.00% East_Asian
0.05% Siberian
0.05% Oceanian
27.41% WHG-UHG
25.60% Sub-Saharan
3.74% Hindu_Kush
17.76% Steppe
1.40% Amerindian
1.77% Southeast_Asian

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YourDNAPortal Eurogenes K7 ANE:



Population Percentage
Sub Saharan 25.68%
Oceanian 0.30%
Amerindian 2.27%
Euro Hunter Gatherer 42.32%
Siberian 0.26%
South East Asian 1.46%
Near Eastern 27.70%

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Gedmatch Ancient Eurasia K6:


gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34
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Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412



^ what do you guys think? I am roughly 21-33% Arab, only i don't know if mediterranean gets sucked into the Near Eastern percentage, or mostly in WHG-UHG and other european components?

As far as i know, ancestry DNA gave me <1% Iberian Peninsula, Eurogenes usually gives me 5-6% West Mediterranean (thats most likely my berber percentage though) and HarappaWorld gives me exactly 20% med, dodecad V3 15% med, and lower West asian and SW asian percentages. So it could either be that my arab gets sucked into my med or the opposite.

do any of you guys have a clue? i'll post a few more tests so you guys can clearly see my percentages:


YourDNAPortal Ancient Near East K13:


Population Percentage
Southeast Asian 0.97%
Anatolia Neolithic 8.18%
CHG EEF 31.05%
Polar 0.00%
EHG 12.26%
Sub Saharan 24.33%
Iran Neolithic 3.26%
Karitiana 0.74%
Ancestral Indian 0.15%
Natufian 6.43%
Siberian 0.62%
Papuan 0.00%
SHG WHG 12.01%

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Gedmatch Gedrosia K12:


Gedrosia K12 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 27.71
2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 24.79
3 SUB_SAHARAN 23.56
4 CAUCASUS 8.63
5 SW_ASIAN 5.09
6 BALOCHI 3.96
7 E_AFRICAN 2.23
8 S_INDIAN 1.81
9 E_SIBERIAN 1.09



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Turks_Istanbul +25% Yoruba @ 5.212138 < i also posted the 3 pop approx cuz it accurately predicts that i am roughly half european, quarter arab, and quarter african. seems legit.

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Africa9 Dodecad:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274

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what do you guys think my ethnicity is according to these tests? As far as i know all of them guess me to be roughly 43-46% european, but then again i aint no expert. Anybody have a clue?

And also, atleast 3-4% should be subtracted from my SSA percentage because i am 21% western african, and 3-4% north african. atleast from what i think i know.

[Mortimer]

Use geneaology to find out how much arab you are thats more reliable

[Congolese Rice]

Use geneaology to find out how much arab you are thats more reliable

Well, Mephisto from Anthrogenica said my Arab percentage is ATLEAST 10-14%, Doug McDonald said it was rather North african or East african and that i was a mix of 10% along with my 21% western african. Which i don't believe since he wasn't sure at all himself. And all Gedmatch tests say that i am atleast 17-25% arab, IF you calculate my north african percentages with it.

I'll post some pictures that Doug McDonald send me and said to me.




This is a difficult file. The African part is not clear, but is mostly western, probably somewhere near Nigeria.

Neither is the Euro clear at all. It is about 2% Native American. The best I can do is

Germany 0.6793 Moroccan 0.0317 Yoruba 0.2090 O-Ethiopian 0.0801 or
Germany 0.6784 Sicily 0.0230 Yoruba 0.2134 O-Ethiopian 0.0853 or
Germany 0.6354 Poland 0.0626 Yoruba 0.2113 O-Ethiopian 0.0907 or
Germany 0.6651 Romania 0.0351 Yoruba 0.2131 O-Ethiopian 0.0867 or
Russian 0.0260 Germany 0.6729 Yoruba 0.2119 O-Ethiopian 0.0892 or
Germany 0.6883 Tuscan 0.0109 Yoruba 0.2129 O-Ethiopian 0.0878 or
Italian 0.0064 Germany 0.6923 Yoruba 0.2126 O-Ethiopian 0.0886 or
English 0.3087 Poland 0.3879 Yoruba 0.2041 O-Ethiopian 0.0993

and THOSE ARE NOT RELIABLE! The “Mideast” on the chromosomes seems to actually be
either East coast Africa (Ethiopis) or north African.

I doubt if ANY systen current can do a really reliable job for you.

Doug McDonald


^ i dont believe my european is that high otherwise i'd have known so already. He himself also said it was unreliable so i dont know what to think of that, anyway for the pictures.

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^ idk much what this all means but im pretty sure that theres a good amount of MENA on my chromosomes, that equals almost my percentage of african. And if my african is a supposed "25%" or "30%" as doug said then im pretty sure my arab is around 22-25% according to this chromosome browser, idk, what you think? xD

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

That really doesnt tell you where your african comes from. Your african is a mix of tribes. You didnt ask mcdonald to ask where each part of yout ancestry plots. He could have given you a plot graph specifically for your african middle eastern, european or native.

[Mortimer]

Well, Mephisto from Anthrogenica said my Arab percentage is ATLEAST 10-14%, Doug McDonald said it was rather North african or East african and that i was a mix of 10% along with my 21% western african. Which i don't believe since he wasn't sure at all himself. And all Gedmatch tests say that i am atleast 17-25% arab, IF you calculate my north african percentages with it.

I'll post some pictures that Doug McDonald send me and said to me.




This is a difficult file. The African part is not clear, but is mostly western, probably somewhere near Nigeria.

Neither is the Euro clear at all. It is about 2% Native American. The best I can do is

Germany 0.6793 Moroccan 0.0317 Yoruba 0.2090 O-Ethiopian 0.0801 or
Germany 0.6784 Sicily 0.0230 Yoruba 0.2134 O-Ethiopian 0.0853 or
Germany 0.6354 Poland 0.0626 Yoruba 0.2113 O-Ethiopian 0.0907 or
Germany 0.6651 Romania 0.0351 Yoruba 0.2131 O-Ethiopian 0.0867 or
Russian 0.0260 Germany 0.6729 Yoruba 0.2119 O-Ethiopian 0.0892 or
Germany 0.6883 Tuscan 0.0109 Yoruba 0.2129 O-Ethiopian 0.0878 or
Italian 0.0064 Germany 0.6923 Yoruba 0.2126 O-Ethiopian 0.0886 or
English 0.3087 Poland 0.3879 Yoruba 0.2041 O-Ethiopian 0.0993

and THOSE ARE NOT RELIABLE! The “Mideast” on the chromosomes seems to actually be
either East coast Africa (Ethiopis) or north African.

I doubt if ANY systen current can do a really reliable job for you.

Doug McDonald


^ i dont believe my european is that high otherwise i'd have known so already. He himself also said it was unreliable so i dont know what to think of that, anyway for the pictures.

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^ idk much what this all means but im pretty sure that theres a good amount of MENA on my chromosomes, that equals almost my percentage of african. And if my african is a supposed "25%" or "30%" as doug said then im pretty sure my arab is around 22-25% according to this chromosome browser, idk, what you think? xD
If you dont know your ancestors first hand thats the best you can do

[Congolese Rice]

That really doesnt tell you where your african comes from. Your african is a mix of tribes. You didnt ask mcdonald to ask where each part of yout ancestry plots. He could have given you a plot graph specifically for your african middle eastern, european or native.

well yeah thats true, only back in the day i didnt know that that was possible xD so yeahhh. but then again im pretty certain my middle eastern is either higher than my ssa admix or equal. It is definitely around the 17% mark atleast from what i know. so what doug mcdonald said didnt make alot of sense that my african was a mix of mostly west african and or east /north african.


why it gotta be me that which of his DNA is so difficult 2 read Dx all my test results are always different. Its also always the two percentages that always differ, my European and my Arab. One time my near eastern is 27% then the other time its only 15% and i have more european, then on the other test my european is super low, aka 43% or 46% and my near eastern is higher. I think my arab is definitely getting sucked into some mediterranean or european components but yeah we'll see.

[Congolese Rice]

If you dont know your ancestors first hand thats the best you can do

well no i dont know my ancestors very well XD they all died way be4 i was born. And also nobody in both families have any particular middle eastern surnames so i am confused where it is coming from.

Only thing i can think of is that my middle eastern side of the family probably changed their name for better immigration, lol i dont know. Otherwise if my Arab was 30% then why'd no one have a surname like "Abdullah" or something like that. My dad's family does have the surname "Elam" in it and i read somewhere that it also has Hebrew origins. lol, who knows.

[Papastratosels26]

Mixed.

[Congolese Rice]

this is also what Doug McDonald said.




I tried more custom fits. I can only get Italian of any sort if I completely
exclude Ethiopian and force in some
American. Then
I get this:


USA_East 0.0230 Mozabite 0.0620 English 0.6704 Yoruba 0.2446 or
USA_East 0.0230 Mozabite 0.0681 Germany 0.6653 Yoruba 0.2436 or
USA_East 0.0230 Moroccan 0.0603 English 0.6715 Yoruba 0.2453 or
USA_East 0.0230 Spain 0.2004 English 0.5191 Yoruba 0.2575 or
USA_East 0.0230 Italian 0.1666 English 0.5508 Yoruba 0.2596 or
USA_East 0.0230 English 0.7037 Bantu_Kenya 0.1616 Mandenka 0.1118 or
USA_East 0.0230 Sicily 0.0936 English 0.6265 Yoruba 0.2569 or
USA_East 0.0230 Spain 0.3241 Irish 0.3986 Yoruba 0.2543 or
USA_East 0.0230 Cypriot 0.0700 English 0.6488 Yoruba 0.2581 or
USA_East 0.0230 Tuscan 0.1183 English 0.5995 Yoruba 0.2592 or
USA_East 0.0230 Moroccan 0.0614 Germany 0.6700 Yoruba 0.2457 or
USA_East 0.0230 Italian 0.2816 Irish 0.4379 Yoruba 0.2575

where Italian means NORTHERN Italy. These do fit nicely.

Once again ... all this means that NO DNA FIT can be considered as reliable
in an exact way.


In actual fact, I think your African part is mostly western with some of EITHER North
Africa or East Africa.


i dont buy all of it though. how can he be for certain if he himself said that it was unreliable, still dont think i am literally 70% european. otherwise i would have definitely noticed it in my mom's family. They only have 1 white ancestor of which i didnt inherit any european percentage from, i took most european from my dad's side ofcourse and more african/mena from my mom's side probably, it could definitely have been that someone in my mom's family was from North Sudan, or Ethiopia.

Would explain why my grandpa looked very Eritrean/Arab admixed and had black straight hair. He had close-set eyes, a big hooked nose, not flat, hooked. Ears that kinda point to the side, and a ectomorph skinny build. he was also fairly short.

IF i have ancestors from Ethiopia that would also explain why doug mcdonald thinks my mena could either be east african or north african, or both. But it's probably more arabian than african so.

[Congolese Rice]

Mixed.

do you also think like that it depends on the ethnicity of the person? like Europeans also score a very good amount of Near Eastern but probably 8/10 times it isnt even actual middle eastern ancestry but rather mediterranean or "EEF".

In my case, i dont think my mediterranean is that high, since i realized that French people are actually western europeans and not typical mediterranean people it belongs to the WHG component for example and not west med or sorts. Mediterranean IS probably found in France but not everywhere.

My med is atleast 5-12.5% though i think because my great grandmother on my mom's side has the surname "da Costa Gomez".. But i also read somewhere that the da Costa Gomez people in Curacao are actually Sephardic jews or Sephardim descendants. Soo yeah, could explain where my MENA comes from but im not 100% sure because i barely score any jewish so thats odd.