Etymology of Vlochy?

[gıulıoımpa]

Hi polish friends, may i ask you a thing?

Why is it that the polish name for Italy is so different from every other etimology in europe? puzzles me.
maybe this etymology can explain ancient contacts between inhabitants of modern Poland and Italic Tribes(?)


one teory says it is related to te Volsci , pre roman population of the Italian Peninsula

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volsci

what do you think? thank you :thumb001:

[ЛыSSый]

vlochy meand haured people. surey they wore fures when civiliced slavs - cotton.

[Ülev]

vlochy meand haured people. surey they wore fures when civiliced slavs - cotton.

lol

[gıulıoımpa]

vlochy meand haured people. surey they wore fures when civiliced slavs - cotton.So they basically called italics hairy wogs ...lol



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[Ülev]

So they basically called italics hairy wogs ...lol



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from polish wikipedia:


Od prasłowiańskiego *volxъ[9] - "człowiek pochodzenia rzymskiego" poświadczone we wszystkich językach słowiańskich, jako ogólna nazwa ludności romańskiej, a w szczególności tej, z którą Słowianie blisko się zetknęli np. s-c-s vlax "vlachus, generatim homo romanae originis", rosyjskie volóx[10]/волох (też валах, влах) "Wołoch", ukraińskie volóx "Rumun", polskie Włoch, czeskie Vlach "Włoch, Wołoch", sch vlãh "Wołoch, inowierca", bułgarskie vlah/влах "Wołoch, Rumun, Aromun". Słowiańskie zapożyczenie z germańskiego: pragermańskie *walxa, staro-wysoko-niemieckie walh - "romanus/rzymski", staroangielskie wealh "obcy, Słowianin, Bryt, Walijczyk", staroislandzkie valir l.mn. "Francuzi" - a wszystkie pochodzą od celtyckiej nazwy etnicznej Volcos[11].


From old-slavonic * volxъ [9] - "man of Roman origin" certified in all Slavic languages, as the general name of the Romanesque population, especially the one with which the Slavs came in close contact, eg scs vlax "vlachus, generatim homo romanae originis", russian volóx [10] / волох (also валах, влах) "Wołoch", Ukrainian volóx "Rumun", Polish Italian, Czech Vlach "Włoch, Wołoch", sch vlãh "Wołoch, inowierca", Bulgarian vlah / влах "Wołoch, Rumun, Aromun ". Slavic borrowing from Germanic: proto-germanic * walxa, old-high-German walh - "Romanus / Roman", Old English wealh "stranger, Slav, Briton, Welshman", Old Irish valyr pl. "The French" - and all originate from the Celtic ethnic name Volcos [11].

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82osi

[ЛыSSый]

So they basically called italics hairy wogs ...lol


jaja, like cow or monkey, white people can't be so haired

[gıulıoımpa]

Oh Thanks a lot. Makes sense now to be related to a root similar to the one of vlach/vlachs.

Must be similar to the word hair/hairy for pure coincidence, a funny one i may add.

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[Ülev]

Oh Thanks a lot. Makes sense now to be related to a root similar to the one of vlach/vlachs.

Must be similar to the word hair/hairy for pure coincidence, a funny one i may add.

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but herr Lyssyi has also a lot of right, average Pole associate name Włoch / Włoszka / Włochy with hairs - similar sounding

[Ülev]

btw, polish comedy song with italian accent

https://youtu.be/60GsKLTjSWo

[gıulıoımpa]

btw, polish comedy song with italian accent

https://youtu.be/60GsKLTjSWo

haha sounds like a Southern italian trying to speak some slavic sounds.

is he the same that made the Berlusconi Impression on polish tv? i seem to recall something like that

[Ülev]

haha sounds like a Southern italian trying to speak some slavic sounds.

is he the same that made the Berlusconi Impression on polish tv? i seem to recall something like that

don't know, but... Silvio ritorna in versione Wi-Fi ---> https://youtu.be/xOPrIW_7UH4

[Mens-Sarda]

Vlochy probably derives from Vlach, the term used by Slavs to refer to Romance speaking peoples, also derived from the Germanic "Welsch".

Some examples :

Walachia = land of the Vlachs / Welschen
Vallonia = same as above
Wales = same as above


I wonder if all those Vlach, Welsch, Valloon, are adjectives in some way derived from Latin "Vallum" (wall, border); adjectives used in origin to refer to the peoples living beyond the border (which also spoke Latin).

[gıulıoımpa]

I wonder if all those Vlach, Welsch, Valloon, are adjectives in some way derived from Latin "Vallum" (wall, border); adjectives used in origin to refer to the peoples living beyond the border (which also spoke Latin).

That is an interesting hypothesis...
I always wrongly believed that this root val/wal was more related to gauls than romans.
Anyway the pattern is pretty clear in toponyms all over periferal parts o the roman empire.



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[Percivalle]

The Polish Vlochy has likely the same etymology of Vlach, Wales, Walloon.

*Walhaz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhaz

[gıulıoımpa]

The Polish Vlochy has likely the same etymology of Vlach, Wales, Walloon.

*Walhaz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WalhazWalhazis a reconstructedProto-Germanicword meaning "foreigner", "stranger", "Roman", "Romance-speaker", or "Celtic-speaker".

Funny how they grouped together celts and romans

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[Percivalle]

Walhazis a reconstructedProto-Germanicword meaning "foreigner", "stranger", "Roman", "Romance-speaker", or "Celtic-speaker".

Funny how they grouped together celts and romans

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Celtic

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-CelticI knew of the branch of IE but the fact that they had a same name for both means they were the same language for a while after splitting from IE and before becoming their own thing. And That this splitting is possibly younger than the split to proto germanic.

Some roman writer said( i don't remember who) they could understand basic cispadanic celtic

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