Are there any Arabs who are Hindus?

[Kamal900]

I was trying to find if there were any Arabs who had converted to Hinduism and all that, but I couldn't find any. Also, do Indians find it weird for a Semitic Arab person to be a Hindu?

[rein]

Lol.

[Kamal900]

Lol.

I'm serious though.

[Thanas Django]

I'd say skip Hinduism.

[Kamal900]

I'd say skip Hinduism.

You're right. Zeus is a lot more badass.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/drachen/images/4/4c/Zeus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160611151416&path-prefix=de

[StonyArabia]

No most Arabs who are interested in paganism, try to discover their own pagan religion. The Arabian pagan religion differed a lot from Hinduism and was based on worship of feminine deities, which as in form of trinity, with Al-lat the mother and creator Goddess, Al-Uzza goddess of war and love, and Manat Goddess of death and fate. All three form what is called the feminine essence. Not to mention that gods like Hubal and other male deities often took a secondary role. It should be noted that the Hejaz region would be influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions which would seep into the Arabian culture in that area, leading eventually to different believes among the Arabian pagans. A lot of Judaic and Christian influence would enter. In eastern Arabia Nestorian Christianity would make inroads, however the interior Desert tribes stayed pagan and were really never influenced by Judeo-Christianity and tried to resist it. After Islam came most converted to Islam, others were nominally Christian, but would switch due to political and economic gain.

Arabian paganism differs from that of the Indo-Europeans and other Semitic people as well, due to it's unique nature. Arabian paganism believed that all of creation was rather from a female source, unlike Indo-European and other Semitic people which believed it was male energy.

I know some Arabs who became well pagans, or at least try to identify with that aspect. Hinduism is very Indo-European and thus it does not appeal to most Arabs. Most ex-Muslim Arabs believe that from the spiritual/religious sense Islam is the most logical, but Atheism is more logical, rarely would they go into another Abrahamic faith some do, but not the majority, well others are very interested in their pagan or original pagan religion. Since Persian and Byzantine sources are clearly biased and give false info on the nature of the pagan Arabians especially the first rather than the latter.

[Tauromachos]

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[Kamal900]

No most Arabs who are interested in paganism, try to discover their own pagan religion. The Arabian pagan religion differed a lot from Hinduism and was based on worship of feminine deities, which as in form of trinity, with Al-lat the mother and creator Goddess, Al-Uzza goddess of war and love, and Manat Goddess of death and fate. All three form what is called the feminine essence. Not to mention that gods like Hubal and other male deities often took a secondary role. It should be noted that the Hejaz region would be influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions which would seep into the Arabian culture in that area, leading eventually to different believes among the Arabian pagans. A lot of Judaic and Christian influence would enter. In eastern Arabia Nestorian Christianity would make inroads, however the interior Desert tribes stayed pagan and were really never influenced by Judeo-Christianity and tried to resist it. After Islam came most converted to Islam, others were nominally Christian, but would switch due to political and economic gain.

Arabian paganism differs from that of the Indo-Europeans and other Semitic people as well, due to it's unique nature. Arabian paganism believed that all of creation was rather from a female source, unlike Indo-European and other Semitic people which believed it was male energy.

I know some Arabs who became well pagans, or at least try to identify with that aspect. Hinduism is very Indo-European and thus it does not appeal to most Arabs. Most ex-Muslim Arabs believe that from the spiritual/religious sense Islam is the most logical, but Atheism is more logical, rarely would they go into another Abrahamic faith some do, but not the majority, well others are very interested in their pagan or original pagan religion. Since Persian and Byzantine sources are clearly biased and give false info on the nature of the pagan Arabians especially the first rather than the latter.

I wish they had remained pagan though. I know it sounds strange but Arabs were unique in their own beliefs and culture in the past, don't you think?

[StonyArabia]

I wish they had remained pagan though. I know it sounds strange but Arabs were unique in their own beliefs and culture in the past, don't you think?

Yeah it would have been interesting how the history would have been if the Arabian tribes have stayed pagan. However many converted to Islam because it became the most dominant political, religious, cultural and economic force. It's believed many stayed pagan until the 9th century A.D when they were truly and totally Islamized. There are various reasons for the Islamization of the pagan Arabian tribes, one of them was religious that the truth has appeared, the other is cultural and economic power, especially those Arabian tribes that were present in the Byzantine and Persian empires. Thus they saw Islam to gain control and overthrow the shackles of their oppressors. The Persians were not really good to their Arab subjects, so it's no wonder most of the Arabs rebelled against them, and lastly there was a connection of blood which has over ridden the loyalty to the empires. It's believed that the Bedouin tribes in Syria would open the gates to the Byzantines, due to deep grudge, most of these Bedouins have not been Christianized and were pagan, this unlike the Christian Arabs like the Ghassanid who remained loyal to the Byzantine empire.

Though it would be interesting if there existed a pagan religion still in Arabia indeed, but history would have been written differently. As more and more findings appear in Arabia, we might finally know the truth of the Arabian pagans who were defamed in Persian sources.

[Kamal900]

Yeah it would have been interesting how the history would have been if the Arabian tribes have stayed pagan. However many converted to Islam because it became the most dominant political, religious, cultural and economic force. It's believed many stayed pagan until the 9th century A.D when they were truly and totally Islamized. There are various reasons for the Islamization of the pagan Arabian tribes, one of them was religious that the truth has appeared, the other is cultural and economic power, especially those Arabian tribes that were present in the Byzantine and Persian empires. Thus they saw Islam to gain control and overthrow the shackles of their oppressors. The Persians were not really good to their Arab subjects, so it's no wonder most of the Arabs rebelled against them, and lastly there was a connection of blood which has over ridden the loyalty to the empires. It's believed that the Bedouin tribes in Syria would open the gates to the Byzantines, due to deep grudge, most of these Bedouins have not been Christianized and were pagan, this unlike the Christian Arabs like the Ghassanid who remained loyal to the Byzantine empire.

Though it would be interesting if there existed a pagan religion still in Arabia indeed, but history would have been written differently. As more and more findings appear in Arabia, we might finally know the truth of the Arabian pagans who were defamed in Persian sources.

What ever happened to the Arab Ghassinids? Did they assimilate to the general Levantine populace?

[Sapaudius]

What ever happened to the Arab Ghassinids? Did they assimilate to the general Levantine populace?

From what I can tell, their descendants began to move into Greek and Syriac communities and became part the Melkites of Levant

[dark-mysterio]

Yeah it would have been interesting how the history would have been if the Arabian tribes have stayed pagan. However many converted to Islam because it became the most dominant political, religious, cultural and economic force. It's believed many stayed pagan until the 9th century A.D when they were truly and totally Islamized. There are various reasons for the Islamization of the pagan Arabian tribes, one of them was religious that the truth has appeared, the other is cultural and economic power, especially those Arabian tribes that were present in the Byzantine and Persian empires. Thus they saw Islam to gain control and overthrow the shackles of their oppressors. The Persians were not really good to their Arab subjects, so it's no wonder most of the Arabs rebelled against them, and lastly there was a connection of blood which has over ridden the loyalty to the empires. It's believed that the Bedouin tribes in Syria would open the gates to the Byzantines, due to deep grudge, most of these Bedouins have not been Christianized and were pagan, this unlike the Christian Arabs like the Ghassanid who remained loyal to the Byzantine empire.

Though it would be interesting if there existed a pagan religion still in Arabia indeed, but history would have been written differently. As more and more findings appear in Arabia, we might finally know the truth of the Arabian pagans who were defamed in Persian sources.


"unlike the Christian Arabs like the Ghassanid who remained loyal to the Byzantine empire" :ranger if i don't get wrong they rebelled against the byzantine and joined the muslim at the battle of yarmouk

[Mortimer]

I think rarerly but many Indians are Muslims. A week ago I met a pakistani in hospital. He was bed next to me in the same room. We talked about southasia and religions. He doesnt eat pork, he is muslim, he fasted ramadan, he goes on fridays to mosque. But he acknowledged that even pakistanis were once hindus because he said they still retained the caste cystem eventhough they are islamic. I asked him about castes, and he said there are also millions of muslims in India like 300.000 millions. There is rarerly any arab Hindu. Also for me Islam > Hinduism. Hinduism is shitty pagan religion.

[Mortimer]

Its in the following order

Christianity > Islam > Judaism > Buddhism > Pagan (non-hindu, european etc.) > hindu > cults/esoteric/occult > satanism

[Anthony PV]

↑ Lol, a selfish parasite who thinks he possesses the moral superiority needed to judge the world's religions?! xD

[Mortimer]

↑ Lol, a selfish parasite who thinks he possesses the moral superiority needed to judge the world's religions?! xD

you have the IQ of a fly you parasite.

[rein]

I think rarerly but many Indians are Muslims. A week ago I met a pakistani in hospital. He was bed next to me in the same room. We talked about southasia and religions. He doesnt eat pork, he is muslim, he fasted ramadan, he goes on fridays to mosque. But he acknowledged that even pakistanis were once hindus because he said they still retained the caste cystem eventhough they are islamic. I asked him about castes, and he said there are also millions of muslims in India like 300.000 millions. There is rarerly any arab Hindu. Also for me Islam > Hinduism. Hinduism is shitty pagan religion.

I don’t think there are 300 million Muslims in India yet. Maybe by 2050 if predictions are correct.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/indias-muslim-population-will-be-largest-in-the-world-says-think-tank-gjs7mxjnj

Right now there are approximately 172 million Muslims there.

[Anthony PV]

you have the IQ of a fly you parasite.
Nah, you're the low-IQ parasite, not me. :laugh: You, you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help the people who are keeping you alive (your mother, society in general). And you think you possess the moral superiority to pass judgement on other religions?! xD You have to be one hell of a retard to behave like that... :rolleyes:

[Mortimer]

Nah, you're the low-IQ parasite, not me. :laugh: You, you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help the people who are keeping you alive (your mother, society in general). And you think you possess the moral superiority to pass judgement on other religions?! xD You have to be one hell of a retard to behave like that... :rolleyes:

You are the low IQ selffish parasite, eat my shit you retard. You think someone needs moral superiority to pass any judgement. Do i need moral superiority to tell political ideologies apart? Or any right from wrong? Even a criminal and murder can do that. You think that so you must be the low IQ. Now eat my shit. Well I dont think I have moral superiority or any superiority Im a modest person, and in christianity modesty is a virtue and false pride is a sin.

[Anthony PV]

You are the low IQ selffish parasite, eat my shit you retard. You think someone needs moral superiority to pass any judgement. Do i need moral superiority to tell political ideologies apart? Or any right from wrong? Even a criminal and murder can do that. You think that so you must be the low IQ. Now eat my shit. Well I dont think I have moral superiority or any superiority Im a modest person, and in christianity modesty is a virtue and false pride is a sin.
Once again, you are the low-IQ selfish parasite, not me. :laugh: So, you stop writing and you read me, understood, fatfuck? :eviltongue: If you want to declare that a religion is shitty or not, you have to possess some kind of moral superiority to do so, period. :eviltongue: Understood, fatfuck? :eviltongue: And you, you don't possess any kind of moral superiority. You don't help back the people who are helping you, you don't contribute to the society that is keeping you alive. You're just a retarded parasite who think he's the center of the world and that everyone should cater to his every whim. :eviltongue:

[Mortimer]

Once again, you are the low-IQ selfish parasite, not me. :laugh: So, you stop writing and you read me, understood, fatfuck? :eviltongue: If you want to declare that a religion is shitty or not, you have to possess some kind of moral superiority to do so, period. :eviltongue: Understood, fatfuck? :eviltongue: And you, you don't possess any kind of moral superiority. You don't help back the people who are helping you, you don't contribute to society that is keeping you alive, you're just a retarded parasite who think he's the center of the world and that everyone should cater to his every whim.

No I dont need any superiority to tell which religion, political ideology or a crime or act is evil. For example I can tell that some cults who sacrifice humans are evil. You would acknowledge at least that right? In the same sense I can tell the religions or politics apart.

[Anthony PV]

No I dont need any superiority to tell which religion, political ideology or a crime or act is evil. For example I can tell that some cults who sacrifice humans are evil. You would acknowledge at least that right? In the same sense I can tell the religions or politics apart.
Yes, you have to possess some kind of moral superiority to pass a moral judgement. You have to be a good guy to tell if something or someone is good or not, period.

[Mortimer]

Yes, you have to possess some kind of moral superiority to pass a moral judgement. You have to be a good guy to tell if something or someone is good or not, period.

I can be a murder and still say that another guy is a murder. Nonsense. But believe what you want.

[Anthony PV]

I can be a murder and still say that another guy is a murder. Nonsense. But believe what you want.
No, retard. You have to be a good guy to tell if someone is good or not. Period. :eviltongue:

[Óttar]

I was trying to find if there were any Arabs who had converted to Hinduism and all that, but I couldn't find any. Also, do Indians find it weird for a Semitic Arab person to be a Hindu?

I'm sure there are Arab-derived Indians who have 'converted' i.e. adopted Hinduism.

See Arvind Sharma's Hinduism as a Missionary Religion published by SUNY.

[Mortimer]

No, retard. You have to be a good guy to tell if someone is good or not. Period. :eviltongue:

No you are too low IQ thats why you think that. I need to be a better guy to say that I am a better guy. I dont need to be a better guy to say that he is a bad guy. And I spoke in generalities about religions, not personally that I am better person then someone else. I dont need to be a good or better person for that. Eventhough I am not a bad person. You dont even know me like I dont know you. Most my friends and relatives think that I am a very good person. My friend in my avatar said I am the loveliest most nice guy she ever met.

[Anthony PV]

No you are too low IQ thats why you think that. I need to be a better guy to say that I am a better guy. I dont need to be a better guy to say that he is a bad guy. And I spoke in generalities about religions, not personally that I am better person then someone else. I dont need to be a good or better person for that. Eventhough I am not a bad person. You dont even know me like I dont know you. Most my friends and relatives think that I am a very good person. My friend in my avatar said I am the loveliest most nice guy she ever met.
1) Nope, you are the low IQ retard between us two. :laugh:

2) YES. You have to be a good person to say that a religion is shitty or not. Period. And you, you are not a good person.

3) Really? Do you help your friends and your relatives?

4) Are you ready to help your friend in your avatar?

[Mortimer]

1) Nope, you are the low IQ retard between us two. :laugh:

2) YES. You have to be a good person to say that a religion is shitty or not. Period. And you, you are not a good person.

3) Really? Do you help your friends and your relatives?

4) Are you ready to help your friend in your avatar?

I would give my friend my last shirt. You dont know me dude. And I explained it to you but you still refuse to accept.

[Anthony PV]

I would give my friend my last shirt. You dont know me dude. And I explained it to you but you still refuse to accept.
Accepting what? That the fact that you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help ppl out gives you the moral superiority to tell that a religion is shitty?

[Mortimer]

Accepting what? That the fact that you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help ppl out gives you the moral superiority to tell that a religion is shitty?

1) I help people and you dont know me and I dont need to justify myself against your claims just call you low IQ

2) I explained to you that I dont need moral superiority or only saints could do that.

3) Do you think you have moral superiority? If you call me out maybe you think you have?

[Anthony PV]

1) I help people and you dont know me and I dont need to justify myself against your claims just call you low IQ

2) I explained to you that I dont need moral superiority or only saints could do that.

3) Do you think you have moral superiority? If you call me out maybe you think you have?
1) Care to give an example of you helping people out? :)

2) Yep, only a saint can tell if a religion like Hinduism is shitty or not. And you, you are not a saint. :laugh:

3)Me, I have worked in a soup kitchen... Have you done something similar? :)

[Mortimer]

1) Care to give an example of you helping people out? :)

2) Yep, only a saint can tell if a religion like Hinduism is shitty or not. And you, you are not a saint. :laugh:

3)Me, I have worked in a soup kitchen... Have you done something similar? :)

I dont need to give you examples, because I dont need to get into justifications to you. But just that I did helped people. Thats enough.

[Anthony PV]

I never helped anyone. I think the world revolves around me and has to cater to my every whim.
Fixed. :laugh:

[Kamal900]

I'm sure there are Arab-derived Indians who have 'converted' i.e. adopted Hinduism.

See Arvind Sharma's Hinduism as a Missionary Religion published by SUNY.

You mean the Arabs who got Indo-Aryanized or Dravidianized? I guess it makes sense for such a scenario.

[Rico33]

Goddess worship of ancient Arabs seems to resemble Shaktism.

[Kamal900]

Goddess worship of ancient Arabs seems to resemble Shaktism.

Not really. Arabs back then used to worship their own gods and goddesses like Al-Uzza, Al-Manat, Al-Lat, Dushara and etc. They used to worship other gods and goddesses that were not their own like Zeus, Ba'al, other Arabian gods and etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia#Deities

I made this thread when I was an atheist. Now, I embraced Christianity.

[Rico33]

Not really. Arabs back then used to worship their own gods and goddesses like Al-Uzza, Al-Manat, Al-Lat, Dushara and etc. They used to worship other gods and goddesses that were not their own like Zeus, Ba'al, other Arabian gods and etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia#Deities

I made this thread when I was an atheist. Now, I embraced Christianity.

No I actually meant it in the sense that they could just as well become Hindu and follow Shaktism because that is something that still exists.

[Kamal900]

No I actually meant it in the sense that they could just as well become Hindu and follow Shaktism because that is something that still exists.

Well, it wouldn't be odd for them to do since they did have trade contacts with the peoples of the Indian subcontinent, especially the peoples of the Persian gulf.

[lameduck]

Dont know religiously but many are racially

https://images.ctfassets.net/2h1qowfuxkq7/4tYTviYw6CVYTQyRspas92/25536efca929c3a0a765bcb43042121d/hh.jpg?w=840&h=544&q=85&fm=webp&fit=fill

[tipirneni]

During Neolithic times, there was bidirectional migration between Arabian peninsula & Iran & India. These people later formed the basis of the society. Later during chalcolithic times they started doing ocean based trade with Mesopotamia & further into Mediternean and Europe on the West, SE Asian and Japan to the East.

So the Gods of Middle East look very similar to Hindu gods.

The Goddesses Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Menat formed a triad in pre-Islamic Arabia. They were widely worshipped: from Nabatean Petra in the North to the legendary Kingdoms of Arabia Felix in the South, including Saba, the Biblical Sheba; as far east as Iran and Palmyra; and the three of them were very popular Goddesses in Mecca at the time of Mohammed. From left they are: Al-Uzza, whose name means "The Mighty One", the Goddess of the Morning Star; Al-Lat, the Mother, whose name means simply "The Goddess", as Al-Lah simply means "The God"; and Manat, Crone-goddess of Fate or Time. Sometimes the three of them are referred to as the daughters of Al-Lah; sometimes Manat and Al-Lat are considered daughters of Al-Uzza.

https://i.etsystatic.com/6246998/r/il/28a7e3/886886114/il_570xN.886886114_k143.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/a6/dc/d7a6dcdc39137e5151ae029f8354364a.png
are similar to trinity of Hindu Goddess of Lakshmi Devi, Saraswati and Parvathi
http://www.craftsofindia.com/posters/pt442.jpg

The Vedas contain earlier Hindu god Varuna, who comes from across Ocean and brings luck and riches to the people

Rig Veda HYMN XXIV. Varuna and Others.
1 WHO now is he, what God among Immortals, of whose auspicious name we may bethink us?
Who shall to mighty Aditi restore us, that I may see my Father and my Mother?
2 Agni the God the first among the Immortals, - of his auspicious name let us bethink us.
He shall to mighty Aditi restore us, that I may see my Father and my Mother.
3 To thee, O Savitar, the Lord of precious things, who helpest us
Continually, for our share we come-
4 Wealth, highly lauded ere reproach hath fallen on it, which is laid,
Free from all hatred, in thy hands
5 Through thy protection may we come to even the height of affluence
Which Bhaga hath dealt out to us.
6 Ne'er have those birds that fly through air attained to thy high dominion or thy might or spirit;
Nor these the waters that flow on for ever, nor hills, abaters of the wind's wild fury.
7 Varuna, King, of hallowed might, sustaineth erect the Tree's stem in the baseless region.
Its rays, whose root is high above, stream downward. Deep may they sink within us, and be hidden.
8 King Varuna hath made a spacious pathway, a pathway for the Sun wherein to travel.
Where no way was he made him set his footstep, and warned afar whate'er afflicts the spirit.
9 A hundred balms are thine, O King, a thousand; deep and wide-reaching also be thy favours.
Far from us, far away drive thou Destruction. Put from us e'en the sin we have committed.
10 Whither by day depart the constellations that shine at night, set high in heaven above us?
Varuna's holy laws remain unweakened, and through the night the Moon moves on in splendor
11 I ask this of thee with my prayer adoring; thy worshipper craves this with his oblation.
Varuna, stay thou here and be not angry; steal not our life from us, O thou Wide-
Ruler.
12 Nightly and daily this one thing they tell me, this too the thought of mine own heart repeateth.
May he to whom prayed fettered Sunahsepa, may he the Sovran Varuna release us.
13 Bound to three pillars captured Sunahsepa thus to the Aditya made his supplication.
Him may the Sovran Varuna deliver, wise, ne'er deccived, loosen the bonds that bind him.
14 With bending down, oblations, sacrifices, O Varuna, we deprecate thine anger:
Wise Asura, thou King of wide dominion, loosen the bonds of sins by us committed.
15 Loosen the bonds, O Varuna, that hold me, loosen the bonds above, between, and under.
So in thy holy law may we made sinless belong to Aditi, O thou Aditya.


Even today the people of Iran & Iraq have some South Asian % in them from those Chalcolithic & Iran Age trade

[Herr Galke]

Is Zoroastrianism prevalent in the region? I heard it's slowly making a comeback but Idk how true this is.