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Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 01:10 AM

VIBO VALENTIA:

Along with a few Rhodian Greeks, this is one of the most atypical Italian or Greek results I've seen. He is Italian-born, so not a mixed American.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Map_Province_of_Vibo_Valentia.svg

MDLP K23:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.05
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.18
3 Near_East 14.55
4 South_Central_Asian 8.43
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.19
6 North_African 6.68
7 South_Indian 1.45
8 East_African 1.26

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 5.605195
2 Turk_Jew_ @ 5.792853
3 Cretan_ @ 5.946692
4 French_Jew_ @ 6.259231
5 Italian_Jew_ @ 6.759059
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.222947
7 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.398117
8 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.659709
9 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.734650
10 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 8.056007
11 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.499481
12 Syrian_Jew_ @ 8.739240
13 Maltese_ @ 8.772276
14 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 8.928097
15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.193893
16 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 9.360132
17 Greek_Islands_ @ 9.537107
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.078278
19 Italian_South_ @ 10.365084
20 Sicilian_Center_ @ 10.393672

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo_ +50% Lebanese_ @ 2.646581

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi_Jew_ +25% Sicilian_Center_ +25% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.933553

MDLP World:
# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 38.6
2 Middle_East 26.2
3 Caucaus_Parsia 22.5
4 North_and_East_European 8.59
5 Indian 2.07
6 Sub_Saharian 0.92
7 Paleo_African 0.71
8 East_Asian 0.28
9 North_Asian 0.09
10 Mesoamerican 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Cretan 3.73
2 Jew_Italia 6.74
3 Jew_France 6.95
4 Jew_Romania 6.95
5 Sicilian 7.11
6 Ashkenazim 7.71
7 Sephardim 8.24
8 Greek_East 8.95
9 Italian-South 9.54
10 Italian-Center 9.72
11 Jew_Algeria 10.08
12 Greek_Center 10.54
13 Cypriot 10.75
14 Jew_Tunisia 11.58
15 Greek_South 11.73
16 Greek_Azov 12.17
17 Greek_North 12.42
18 Jew_Syria 12.46
19 Jew_Morocco 12.7
20 Ashkenazim_V 13.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% Lebanese + 30.7% Basque @ 1.27
2 55.8% Lebanese + 44.2% Corsican @ 1.51
3 78.3% Sicilian + 21.7% Iraqi @ 1.79
4 69.9% Italian-South + 30.1% Syrian @ 1.81
5 80.6% Sicilian + 19.4% Jew_Kurd @ 1.83
6 62.4% Druze + 37.6% Spaniard @ 1.83
7 69.5% Italian-Center + 30.5% Syrian @ 1.86
8 64.3% Jew_France + 35.7% Greek_Azov @ 1.88
9 68.9% Druze + 31.1% Basque @ 1.88
10 52.2% Druze + 47.8% Italian-North @ 1.9
11 66.3% Italian-Center + 33.7% Lebanese @ 1.96
12 79.3% Sicilian + 20.7% Jew-Uzbekistan @ 1.99
13 52.7% Lebanese + 47.3% Italian-North @ 2
14 81.7% Sicilian + 18.3% Iranian @ 2.01
15 51.5% Greek_South + 48.5% Jew_Syria @ 2.05
16 61% Druze + 39% Iberian @ 2.06
17 55.6% Cypriot + 44.4% Ashkenazim_V @ 2.06
18 53.1% Corsican + 46.9% Jew_Iraqi @ 2.08
19 79.7% Sicilian + 20.3% Jew_Iraqi @ 2.09
20 55.3% Druze + 44.7% Corsican @ 2.1

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.34
2 West_Med 20.41
3 West_Asian 17.97
4 North_Atlantic 11.37
5 Red_Sea 7.85
6 Baltic 7
7 South_Asian 1.4
8 Sub-Saharan 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.64
10 East_Asian 0.43
11 Siberian 0.41
12 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 6.43
2 South_Italian 6.44
3 Central_Greek 7.11
4 Sephardic_Jewish 8.82
5 Ashkenazi 8.88
6 Algerian_Jewish 9.32
7 Italian_Jewish 10.34
8 Cyprian 10.64
9 Italian_Abruzzo 10.88
10 West_Sicilian 11.26
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.31
12 Libyan_Jewish 11.94
13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.28
14 Greek_Thessaly 13.54
15 Syrian 14.15
16 Turkish 15.19
17 Samaritan 17.35
18 Tuscan 17.7
19 Jordanian 17.84
20 Lebanese_Christian 18.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Central_Greek + 32.7% Syrian @ 2.1
2 76.5% East_Sicilian + 23.5% Assyrian @ 2.54
3 77.3% East_Sicilian + 22.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.56
4 66.3% Central_Greek + 33.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.58
5 78% East_Sicilian + 22% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.6
6 78% Algerian_Jewish + 22% Kabardin @ 2.67
7 79.2% Algerian_Jewish + 20.8% Chechen @ 2.76
8 77.9% Algerian_Jewish + 22.1% Adygei @ 2.82
9 69.2% East_Sicilian + 30.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.83
10 77.9% East_Sicilian + 22.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.89
11 70.7% East_Sicilian + 29.3% Syrian @ 2.91
12 75.8% Algerian_Jewish + 24.2% Kumyk @ 2.94
13 79.2% Algerian_Jewish + 20.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.96
14 79.2% East_Sicilian + 20.8% Armenian @ 3.05
15 79.8% Algerian_Jewish + 20.2% Lezgin @ 3.11
16 77.9% Algerian_Jewish + 22.1% Balkar @ 3.12
17 75.9% Central_Greek + 24.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.2
18 80.4% Algerian_Jewish + 19.6% Tabassaran @ 3.21
19 64.6% East_Sicilian + 35.4% Cyprian @ 3.24
20 72.9% Central_Greek + 27.1% Samaritan @ 3.24

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.16
2 West_Asian 17.57
3 West_Med 16.42
4 Atlantic 10.44
5 Red_Sea 8.21
6 Baltic 4.9
7 Eastern_Euro 4.84
8 North_Sea 4.25
9 South_Asian 1.18
10 Sub-Saharan 0.92
11 Northeast_African 0.74
12 Siberian 0.25
13 Southeast_Asian 0.11
14 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 6.98
2 South_Italian 7.01
3 East_Sicilian 7.29
4 Ashkenazi 7.33
5 Central_Greek 7.53
6 Italian_Jewish 8.28
7 Algerian_Jewish 8.74
8 Cyprian 9.79
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.21
10 Italian_Abruzzo 10.46
11 West_Sicilian 11.05
12 Greek 12.28
13 Lebanese_Muslim 12.79
14 Libyan_Jewish 12.79
15 Syrian 13.45
16 Greek_Thessaly 13.76
17 Turkish 14.35
18 Tuscan 16.48
19 Samaritan 16.56
20 Jordanian 17.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.5% Algerian_Jewish + 19.5% Adygei @ 3.4
2 80.4% Algerian_Jewish + 19.6% Kabardin @ 3.42
3 81.6% Algerian_Jewish + 18.4% Chechen @ 3.49
4 80.5% Algerian_Jewish + 19.5% Lezgin @ 3.49
5 78% Algerian_Jewish + 22% Kumyk @ 3.55
6 80.7% Algerian_Jewish + 19.3% Balkar @ 3.59
7 58.9% Ashkenazi + 41.1% Cyprian @ 3.68
8 82.1% Algerian_Jewish + 17.9% North_Ossetian @ 3.73
9 52.5% Greek + 47.5% Syrian @ 3.78
10 66.6% Central_Greek + 33.4% Syrian @ 3.83
11 70.8% Cyprian + 29.2% Romanian @ 3.94
12 59.4% East_Sicilian + 40.6% Cyprian @ 3.95
13 81.8% Algerian_Jewish + 18.2% Ossetian @ 3.95
14 68.4% Cyprian + 31.6% Bulgarian @ 3.97
15 73.8% Cyprian + 26.2% Serbian @ 3.98
16 81.7% Algerian_Jewish + 18.3% Tabassaran @ 3.98
17 56.5% Cyprian + 43.5% Greek @ 4.01
18 58.4% Central_Greek + 41.6% Cyprian @ 4.05
19 51.1% Greek + 48.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.06
20 80.5% Cyprian + 19.5% East_German @ 4.09

Eurogenes K36:
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 5.30
Armenian 7.19
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.20
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.24
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.69
East_Med 18.16
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 13.95
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 19.02
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 14.79
North_African 2.85
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 5.54
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.22
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.12
West_Med 2.71

Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.83
2 Atlantic_Med 23.75
3 Southwest_Asian 15.09
4 North_European 10.36
5 Gedrosia 8.36
6 Northwest_African 4.28
7 South_Asian 1.24
8 East_African 0.67
9 Sub_Saharan 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 6.06
2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 6.93
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.08
4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.17
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.71
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 8.9
7 Greek (Dodecad) 12.51
8 Cypriots (Behar) 14.11
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.44
10 Lebanese (Behar) 16.1
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.24
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.25
13 Turks (Behar) 18.38
14 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.38
15 Syrians (Behar) 18.82
16 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.51
17 Druze (HGDP) 19.82
18 Jordanians (Behar) 20.01
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.6
20 Palestinian (HGDP) 21.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 47.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.87
2 54.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 45.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.2
3 89.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 10.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.26
4 53.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.6% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.28
5 91.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 8.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.43
6 90.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 9.6% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.5
7 64.3% Druze (HGDP) + 35.7% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.66
8 64.2% Druze (HGDP) + 35.8% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.7
9 64.1% Druze (HGDP) + 35.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.78
10 62.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 37.5% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.81
11 70.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.96
12 61.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 38.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.97
13 66.8% Druze (HGDP) + 33.2% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 3.08
14 81.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 18.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.1
15 90.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 9.4% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.11
16 69.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.12
17 72.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Syrians (Behar) @ 3.12
18 91.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 8.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.14
19 63.6% Druze (HGDP) + 36.4% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 3.19
20 65.8% Druze (HGDP) + 34.2% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 3.21

PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 36.99
2 West_Asia 27.55
3 SW_Asia 17.71
4 NE_Europe 12.24
5 South_Asia 1.42
6 South_Africa 1.11
7 Siberia 0.97
8 East_Africa 0.6
9 SE_Asia 0.58
10 West_Africa 0.3
11 Oceania 0.28
12 Americas 0.12
13 NE_Asia 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jew 4.64
2 Italian_Sicilian 5.38
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 5.76
4 Cypriot 8.9
5 Greek_Central 10.55
6 Italian_Abruzzo 10.64
7 Turkish 11.65
8 Turkish_Kayseri 13.35
9 Syrian 13.78
10 Lebanese_Christian 13.87
11 Lebanese_Druze 14.26
12 Lebanese_Muslim 15.21
13 Turkish_Aydin 15.51
14 Greek_Thessaly 15.9
15 Jordanian 16.02
16 Albanian 16.58
17 Kosovar 17.81
18 Italian_Tuscan 18.17
19 Palestinian 18.82
20 Azerbaijan_Azeri 18.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Italian_Sicilian + 25.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.36
2 72.8% Lebanese_Druze + 27.2% French_Basque @ 2.39
3 75.8% Italian_Sicilian + 24.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.44
4 74.1% Italian_Sicilian + 25.9% Syrian @ 2.56
5 74.3% Italian_Sicilian + 25.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.58
6 71.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 28.4% French_Basque @ 2.69
7 80.4% Italian_Sicilian + 19.6% Assyrian @ 2.71
8 64.7% Italian_Sicilian + 35.3% Cypriot @ 2.77
9 84.1% Sephardic_Jew + 15.9% Balkar @ 2.77
10 62.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 37.4% Cypriot @ 2.8
11 73.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 26.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.8
12 74.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 25.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.87
13 80.5% Italian_Sicilian + 19.5% Armenian @ 2.89
14 73% Ashkenazy_Jew + 27% Syrian @ 2.91
15 73.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 26.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.91
16 83.8% Sephardic_Jew + 16.2% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.92
17 78.3% Sephardic_Jew + 21.7% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.93
18 86% Sephardic_Jew + 14% Ossetian @ 2.94
19 75.9% Sephardic_Jew + 24.1% Turkish @ 2.95
20 74.5% Italian_Sicilian + 25.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.04

CROTONE:

This one is the opposite.. not Near Eastern shifting at all. They might even plot with mainland Greeks.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Map_Province_of_Crotone.svg/250px-Map_Province_of_Crotone.svg.png

MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.35
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.12
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 14.43
4 Near_East 9.94
5 North_African 6.20
6 South_Central_Asian 5.82
7 East_Siberian 1.13

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 3.074915
2 Sicilian_West_ @ 3.698154
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 4.178407
4 Ashkenazi_ @ 4.475097
5 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.996219
6 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 5.179674
7 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.108781
8 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.109623
9 Maltese_ @ 6.576683
10 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.447485
11 Italian_South_ @ 7.547900
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.594758
13 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.634109
14 Greek_ @ 7.662017
15 Central_Greek_ @ 7.700980
16 Cretan_ @ 7.709875
17 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 8.312668
18 French_Jew_ @ 8.487617
19 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.705298
20 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 8.844210

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kosovar_ +50% Sephardic_Jew_ @ 2.168227

MDLP World:
# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 43.44
2 Middle_East 21.4
3 Caucaus_Parsia 18.24
4 North_and_East_European 13.9
5 Mesoamerican 1.22
6 Indian 0.85
7 Sub_Saharian 0.65
8 Melanesian 0.23
9 Paleo_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian-Center 2.96
2 Greek_East 3.49
3 Greek_Center 3.91
4 Greek_South 4.28
5 Jew_Romania 4.43
6 Sicilian 4.93
7 Italian-South 5.04
8 Greek_North 5.22
9 Ashkenazim_V 7.03
10 Greek_Cretan 9.38
11 Ashkenazim 10.01
12 Jew_France 11.37
13 Jew_Italia 12.03
14 Italian-North 12.37
15 Gagauz 13.15
16 Sephardim 14.12
17 Greek_Azov 15.04
18 Bulgarian 15.43
19 Corsican 15.44
20 Jew_Algeria 16.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Iberian + 38.6% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.31
2 57.4% Spaniard + 42.6% Jew_Georgia @ 1.33
3 59.5% Spaniard + 40.5% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.37
4 59.3% Iberian + 40.7% Jew_Georgia @ 1.42
5 87.2% Sicilian + 12.8% Latvian_V @ 1.45
6 53.9% Greek_South + 46.1% Sicilian @ 1.51
7 89.5% Sicilian + 10.5% Ukrainian-East @ 1.52
8 89.8% Sicilian + 10.2% Russian_South @ 1.52
9 89.1% Sicilian + 10.9% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.53
10 88.7% Sicilian + 11.3% Ukrainian_V @ 1.54
11 62% Iberian + 38% Jew_Iraqi @ 1.55
12 88.5% Sicilian + 11.5% Ukrainian-West @ 1.55
13 90.2% Sicilian + 9.8% Mordovian @ 1.56
14 89.6% Sicilian + 10.4% Russian_cossack @ 1.57
15 90% Sicilian + 10% Russian_V @ 1.57
16 90.4% Sicilian + 9.6% Russian_Center @ 1.58
17 73.7% Sicilian + 26.3% Gagauz @ 1.58
18 89.5% Sicilian + 10.5% Ukrainian @ 1.58
19 73.9% Greek_South + 26.1% Jew_France @ 1.58
20 90.7% Sicilian + 9.3% Russian @ 1.59

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.17
2 West_Med 21.17
3 North_Atlantic 18.81
4 Baltic 11.05
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 Red_Sea 5.17
7 Siberian 1.52
8 Northeast_African 1.1
9 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 4.97
2 West_Sicilian 5.59
3 East_Sicilian 5.74
4 Central_Greek 6.67
5 South_Italian 7.53
6 Italian_Abruzzo 7.78
7 Greek_Thessaly 8.28
8 Italian_Jewish 10
9 Tuscan 10.23
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.46
11 Sephardic_Jewish 10.88
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.43
13 Libyan_Jewish 14.99
14 North_Italian 16.42
15 Bulgarian 16.51
16 Romanian 18.4
17 Cyprian 18.68
18 Serbian 22.15
19 Lebanese_Muslim 22.27
20 Tunisian 22.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% Ashkenazi + 12.8% Southwest_French @ 2.05
2 78.3% Ashkenazi + 21.7% North_Italian @ 2.08
3 69.1% Ashkenazi + 30.9% Tuscan @ 2.15
4 86.7% Ashkenazi + 13.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.21
5 85.3% Ashkenazi + 14.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.22
6 85% Ashkenazi + 15% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.23
7 87% Ashkenazi + 13% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.23
8 90.4% Ashkenazi + 9.6% French_Basque @ 2.25
9 86% Ashkenazi + 14% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.26
10 85.9% Ashkenazi + 14.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.38
11 85.8% Ashkenazi + 14.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.38
12 85.2% Ashkenazi + 14.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
13 84.8% Ashkenazi + 15.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.42
14 84.8% Ashkenazi + 15.2% Portuguese @ 2.42
15 85.5% Ashkenazi + 14.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.46
16 80.1% Italian_Jewish + 19.9% Ukrainian @ 2.69
17 76.4% Italian_Jewish + 23.6% Croatian @ 2.71
18 69.6% Italian_Jewish + 30.4% Serbian @ 2.74
19 79.9% Italian_Jewish + 20.1% South_Polish @ 2.75
20 83.4% Italian_Jewish + 16.6% Estonian @ 2.84

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.99
2 West_Med 18.27
3 Atlantic 12.61
4 North_Sea 11.65
5 West_Asian 9.27
6 Baltic 6.3
7 Red_Sea 4.98
8 Eastern_Euro 4.97
9 Northeast_African 1.15
10 Siberian 0.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 6.27
2 West_Sicilian 6.46
3 Ashkenazi 6.65
4 Central_Greek 6.7
5 South_Italian 7.08
6 Italian_Jewish 7.85
7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.06
8 Greek_Thessaly 8.87
9 Greek 9.15
10 Algerian_Jewish 9.18
11 Sephardic_Jewish 10.01
12 Tuscan 10.65
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.46
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.61
15 Bulgarian 16.28
16 Cyprian 16.46
17 North_Italian 16.49
18 Romanian 18.18
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.22
20 Serbian 20.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.3% Italian_Jewish + 16.7% Ukrainian @ 3.69
2 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.75
3 53.8% Italian_Jewish + 46.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.75
4 80.1% Italian_Jewish + 19.9% Hungarian @ 3.82
5 74.8% Italian_Jewish + 25.2% Serbian @ 3.86
6 79.3% Italian_Jewish + 20.7% Moldavian @ 3.89
7 83.2% Italian_Jewish + 16.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.9
8 85.9% Italian_Jewish + 14.1% Estonian @ 3.91
9 83.5% Italian_Jewish + 16.5% South_Polish @ 3.91
10 76.9% Algerian_Jewish + 23.1% Hungarian @ 3.94
11 80.6% Italian_Jewish + 19.4% Croatian @ 3.94
12 84.5% Italian_Jewish + 15.5% Polish @ 3.95
13 85.3% Italian_Jewish + 14.7% East_Finnish @ 4.02
14 71% Algerian_Jewish + 29% Serbian @ 4.04
15 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% Finnish @ 4.05
16 85.4% Italian_Jewish + 14.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.1
17 85% Italian_Jewish + 15% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.11
18 82.3% Italian_Jewish + 17.7% East_German @ 4.12
19 85.5% Italian_Jewish + 14.5% Estonian_Polish @ 4.13
20 82.5% Algerian_Jewish + 17.5% North_Swedish @ 4.15

Eurogenes K36:
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 5.08
Armenian 2.60
Basque 0.71
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.13
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.77
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.78
East_Med 16.77
Eastern_Euro 3.68
Fennoscandian 1.83
French 4.26
Iberian 6.98
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 23.12
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 12.35
North_African 0.55
North_Atlantic 0.19
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.60
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.60
West_Med 6.99

Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.25
2 Atlantic_Med 29.19
3 North_European 15.88
4 Southwest_Asian 13.54
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 Northwest_African 2.63
7 Siberian 1.32
8 East_African 0.36
9 South_Asian 0.2
10 Sub_Saharan 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.25
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.56
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.3
4 Greek (Dodecad) 8.13
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.39
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.87
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.3
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 10.84
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.63
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.92
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.28
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.13
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.38
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 19.58
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 19.86
16 Romanians (Behar) 20.77
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.2
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.74
19 Lebanese (Behar) 24.31
20 Turks (Behar) 25.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.2% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.4
2 84.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.62
3 78.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.5% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.63
4 76.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.69
5 76.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.8% German (Dodecad) @ 2.72
6 80.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.73
7 58.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.8
8 84.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.1% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.81
9 77.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.9
10 80.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.9
11 57.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 42.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.92
12 87.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.3% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 2.93
13 76.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.98
14 89.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 10.1% Saudis (Behar) @ 3.01
15 68.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 31.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.06
16 75.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.07
17 70.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 29.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.07
18 92% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.09
19 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.1
20 71.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 28.1% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.12

PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 37.7
2 West_Asia 21.94
3 NE_Europe 19.77
4 SW_Asia 16.32
5 Siberia 1.62
6 West_Africa 1.01
7 East_Africa 0.68
8 Americas 0.37
9 South_Asia 0.28
10 South_Africa 0.24
11 Oceania 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 4.13
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.32
3 Italian_Sicilian 5.08
4 Greek_Central 5.25
5 Sephardic_Jew 7.88
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.51
7 Albanian 8.84
8 Italian_Tuscan 10.26
9 Kosovar 10.28
10 Bulgarian 14.8
11 Macedonian 14.97
12 Italian_Bergamo 16.12
13 Turkish 16.76
14 Romanian 16.86
15 Cypriot 17.04
16 Montenegrin 17.69
17 Turkish_Aydin 18.46
18 Turkish_Kayseri 19.35
19 Serbian 20.22
20 Syrian 21.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.5% Spaniard + 48.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.89
2 58.2% Italian_Bergamo + 41.8% Jordanian @ 1.93
3 92.3% Italian_Sicilian + 7.7% Finnish @ 2.01
4 50.4% Syrian + 49.6% Spaniard @ 2.01
5 68.9% Italian_Tuscan + 31.1% Jordanian @ 2.1
6 50.6% Spaniard + 49.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.13
7 90.3% Italian_Sicilian + 9.7% Mordovian @ 2.2
8 60.8% Italian_Bergamo + 39.2% Palestinian @ 2.21
9 71.2% Italian_Tuscan + 28.8% Palestinian @ 2.23
10 90.8% Italian_Sicilian + 9.2% Russian @ 2.23
11 53.1% Sephardic_Jew + 46.9% Albanian @ 2.29
12 90.7% Italian_Sicilian + 9.3% Aluet @ 2.34
13 90.3% Italian_Sicilian + 9.7% Chuvash @ 2.35
14 91.9% Italian_Sicilian + 8.1% Latvian @ 2.42
15 91.6% Italian_Sicilian + 8.4% Estonian @ 2.43
16 90.2% Italian_Sicilian + 9.8% Belarusian @ 2.43
17 91.9% Italian_Sicilian + 8.1% Lithuanian @ 2.44
18 89.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.4% Egyptian @ 2.46
19 79.2% Sephardic_Jew + 20.8% German_South @ 2.47
20 50% Spaniard + 50% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.48

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 01:27 AM

Vibo Valentia must be, along with Reggio Calabria one of the more "outlying" regions because I have a second result from there, distantly related to the first one, who is scoring extremely high SW Asian on all calculators.

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 01:33 AM

This is acually interesting

Croton was a Dorian colony in Calabria

1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 3.074915
2 Sicilian_West_ @ 3.698154
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 4.178407
4 Ashkenazi_ @ 4.475097
5 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.996219
6 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 5.179674
7 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.108781
8 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.109623
9 Maltese_ @ 6.576683
10 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.447485
11 Italian_South_ @ 7.547900
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.594758
13 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.634109
14 Greek_ @ 7.662017
15 Central_Greek_ @ 7.700980
16 Cretan_ @ 7.709875
17 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 8.312668
18 French_Jew_ @ 8.487617
19 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.705298
20 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 8.844210

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 01:39 AM

This is acually interesting

Croton was a Dorian colony in Calabria

All the Doric areas in Italy (Syracuse, Apulia, Crotone) have somewhat more NE European than the rest. It is not a large difference but it shows in the oracles that there is a difference between these results.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 01:40 AM

Calabrian YouTuber did a DNA test (Kit H486263)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYstbBjEcBQ

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 01:42 AM

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 01:43 AM

All the Doric areas in Italy (Syracuse, Apulia, Crotone) have somewhat more NE European than the rest. It is not a large difference but it shows in the oracles that there is a difference between these results.

Ok but so did Mycanaeans compared to Minoans

The questions now are how does the NE of these Doric colonies compare to the rest?

Is the difference about the same Mycanaeans have compared to Minoans or larger`?

Are these Doric areas closer to the Mycanaeans or the rest of Calabria and Sicily closer to Mycanaeans?

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 01:50 AM

Bump

Teucer

06-30-2018, 01:54 AM

Calabrians are basically Cypriots with more North African and Northern European

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 01:56 AM

Calabrian YouTuber did a DNA test (Kit H486263)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYstbBjEcBQ

Passes in Greece easily

Even Mainland

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 02:00 AM

Calabrians are basically Cypriots with more North African and Northern European

The difference is that Cypriots have more Caucasus and Near East while Calabrians have more EEF and EHG.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 02:02 AM

Passes in Greece easily. Even Mainland

He's from Crotone.

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 02:02 AM

The difference is that Cypriots have more Caucasus and Near East while Calabrians have more EEF and EHG.

This shows that Cypriots at the core are Greeks

Because Caucasus in South Italians isn't higher than in Greeks or even slightly lower.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 02:05 AM

This shows that Cypriots at the core are Greeks. Because Caucasus in South Italians isn't higher than in Greeks or even slightly lower.

Caucasus in south Italians is slightly higher than in mainland Greeks.

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 02:10 AM

Caucasus in south Italians is slightly higher than in mainland Greeks.

Cretans have higher Caucasus than South Italians but same or less Near Eastern.

Some Mainland Greeks can have higher Caucasus too

At least some Maniots have i think

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 02:14 AM

Calabrian YouTuber did a DNA test (Kit H486263)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYstbBjEcBQ

He does not look like his result would come out like this -- he is actually more Near Eastern than the average southern Italian.... so much for being Doric :lol:

Eurogenes:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.54
2 West_Med 18.6
3 West_Asian 16.17
4 Atlantic 14.58
5 Red_Sea 6.86
6 North_Sea 6.49
7 Baltic 3.7
8 Northeast_African 0.8
9 Eastern_Euro 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.85
2 Sephardic_Jewish 4.86
3 Italian_Jewish 5.12
4 Algerian_Jewish 6.36
5 East_Sicilian 6.66
6 Central_Greek 7.39
7 West_Sicilian 8.7
8 Tunisian_Jewish 8.86
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.09
10 Ashkenazi 9.6
11 Cyprian 10.73
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.16
13 Greek 13.05
14 Tuscan 14.45
15 Greek_Thessaly 14.49
16 Lebanese_Muslim 14.93
17 Syrian 16.2
18 Samaritan 17.49
19 Turkish 18.02
20 Lebanese_Christian 18.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Cyprian + 25.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.12
2 72.1% Cyprian + 27.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.21
3 79.4% Cyprian + 20.6% French_Basque @ 2.21
4 73.8% Cyprian + 26.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.23
5 58.4% South_Italian + 41.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.39
6 73.4% Cyprian + 26.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.42
7 74.4% South_Italian + 25.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.51
8 75.4% Cyprian + 24.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.55
9 72.7% Cyprian + 27.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.65
10 73.7% Cyprian + 26.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.66
11 76.1% Cyprian + 23.9% Southwest_French @ 2.71
12 86.4% South_Italian + 13.6% Samaritan @ 2.71
13 79.3% South_Italian + 20.7% Cyprian @ 2.73
14 87.5% South_Italian + 12.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.77
15 72.5% Cyprian + 27.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.83
16 74% Cyprian + 26% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.92
17 57.8% Cyprian + 42.2% Tuscan @ 2.94
18 66.8% Cyprian + 33.2% North_Italian @ 2.95
19 89.1% South_Italian + 10.9% Palestinian @ 3.02
20 63.4% South_Italian + 36.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.02

Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.04
2 Atlantic_Med 25.88
3 Southwest_Asian 15.12
4 North_European 11.11
5 Gedrosia 7.08
6 Northwest_African 3.41
7 East_African 0.27
8 Sub_Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.91
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 5.39
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.49
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.58
5 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 5.65
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.32
7 Greek (Dodecad) 10.72
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.7
9 Cypriots (Behar) 13.76
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.07
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.68
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.21
13 Lebanese (Behar) 17.77
14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.92
15 Turks (Behar) 19.65
16 Syrians (Behar) 20.45
17 Druze (HGDP) 20.67
18 Jordanians (Behar) 21.74
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 23.28
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 23.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.9% Druze (HGDP) + 46.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.51
2 58.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.55
3 79.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.56
4 54.9% Druze (HGDP) + 45.1% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.86
5 79.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.5% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.89
6 81.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.94
7 77.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.03
8 83% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.08
9 82.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.1
10 84.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.12
11 62.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.12
12 53.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 46.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.14
13 51.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 48.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.16
14 85.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 14.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.26
15 82% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.28
16 83.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 16.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.32
17 66.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.32
18 84.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.38
19 84.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.39
20 61.8% Druze (HGDP) + 38.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 2.41

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 02:15 AM

Hahahaha lol^

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 07:53 AM

He does not look like his result would come out like this -- he is actually more Near Eastern than the average southern Italian.... so much for being Doric :lol:

The fun fact is that he's dark blond and has green eyes xD

Papastratosels26

06-30-2018, 08:04 AM

Passes in Greece easily

Even Mainland

+1.

FinalFlash

06-30-2018, 08:23 AM

Seems to me Greeks score more 'Caucasus' while S. Italians score higher 'middle east' or 'sw asia'.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 08:41 AM

Seems to me Greeks score more 'Caucasus' while S. Italians score higher 'middle east' or 'sw asia'.

The big difference between southern Italians and Greeks is particularly that the latter have almost twice the EHG, while southern Italians have more Caucasus, more Middle East and in some cases more African admixture.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 11:44 AM

The fun fact is that he's dark blond and has green eyes xD

Yes. I was told people in south Italy think all blonde hair/blue eyes come from Normans so people probably think he is some lost Norman or something :lol:

He does not look like someone who would be genetically more West Asian than average for south Italy but that's what the results say. I am interested to see where he would plot on Eurogenes K15 so I put him as one of the samples on Anthrogenica and labeled it "Crotone Calabria", so we'll see.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 11:45 AM

The big difference between southern Italians and Greeks is particularly that the latter have almost twice the EHG, while southern Italians have more Caucasus, more Middle East and in some cases more African admixture.

EHG is what exactly -- BaltoSlavic?

Harkonnen

06-30-2018, 11:50 AM

EHG is what exactly -- BaltoSlavic?

WHG/ANE. Racially Khanty/Sibirid.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 12:46 PM

EHG is what exactly -- BaltoSlavic?

I think I was using a wrong term, with EHG I meant Baltic Hunter Gatherer, basically mostly WHG with 15% ANE.
EHG is 25% WHG and 75% ANE.

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 12:50 PM

Leto

06-30-2018, 02:09 PM

The fun fact is that he's dark blond and has green eyes xD
Yeah, the guy doesn't look wog at all despite him being that Southern.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.04
2 Atlantic_Med 25.88
3 Southwest_Asian 15.12
4 North_European 11.11
5 Gedrosia 7.08
6 Northwest_African 3.41
7 East_African 0.27
8 Sub_Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.91
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 5.39
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.49
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.58
5 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 5.65
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.32
7 Greek (Dodecad) 10.72
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.7
9 Cypriots (Behar) 13.76
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.07
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.68
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.21
13 Lebanese (Behar) 17.77
14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.92
15 Turks (Behar) 19.65
16 Syrians (Behar) 20.45
17 Druze (HGDP) 20.67
18 Jordanians (Behar) 21.74
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 23.28
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 23.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.9% Druze (HGDP) + 46.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.51
2 58.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.55
3 79.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.56
4 54.9% Druze (HGDP) + 45.1% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.86
5 79.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.5% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.89
6 81.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.94
7 77.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.03
8 83% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.08
9 82.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.1
10 84.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.12
11 62.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.12
12 53.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 46.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.14
13 51.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 48.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.16
14 85.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 14.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.26
15 82% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.28
16 83.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 16.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.32
17 66.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.32
18 84.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.38
19 84.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.39
20 61.8% Druze (HGDP) + 38.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 2.41

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.9
2 West_Med 22.47
3 West_Asian 15.95
4 North_Atlantic 15.37
5 Red_Sea 6.98
6 Baltic 4.47
7 Northeast_African 0.66
8 Amerindian 0.15
9 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.31
2 Sephardic_Jewish 5.43
3 East_Sicilian 5.95
4 Italian_Jewish 6.39
5 Algerian_Jewish 6.79
6 Central_Greek 7.08
7 Ashkenazi 8.18
8 West_Sicilian 8.82
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.39
10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.49
11 Libyan_Jewish 10.44
12 Cyprian 11.52
13 Greek_Thessaly 14.13
14 Tuscan 15.44
15 Lebanese_Muslim 15.46
16 Syrian 16.79
17 Samaritan 18.22
18 Turkish 18.91
19 Lebanese_Christian 19.36
20 Jordanian 19.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.6% Cyprian + 26.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.08
2 75% Cyprian + 25% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.11
3 72.2% Cyprian + 27.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.29
4 75% Cyprian + 25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.43
5 72.6% Cyprian + 27.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.44
6 71.9% Cyprian + 28.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.47
7 73.6% Cyprian + 26.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.51
8 73.1% Cyprian + 26.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.54
9 80.1% Cyprian + 19.9% French_Basque @ 1.59
10 86.2% South_Italian + 13.8% Samaritan @ 1.59
11 76% Cyprian + 24% Southwest_French @ 1.61
12 87% South_Italian + 13% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.66
13 73.8% Cyprian + 26.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.76
14 72.4% Cyprian + 27.6% Portuguese @ 1.83
15 80.7% South_Italian + 19.3% Cyprian @ 1.9
16 73.2% Cyprian + 26.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.95
17 65.8% Cyprian + 34.2% North_Italian @ 1.96
18 57.4% Cyprian + 42.6% Tuscan @ 1.97
19 88.1% South_Italian + 11.9% Palestinian @ 1.98
20 78.1% South_Italian + 21.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.05

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 04:00 PM

Yeah, the guy doesn't look wog at all despite him being that Southern.

His results are creepy...

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.41
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.05
3 Near_East 15.46 (same as Cypriots O_O)
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.93
5 North_African 7.05
6 South_Central_Asian 6.13
7 Paleo_Siberian 0.92
8 Tungus-Altaic 0.84
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.6
10 African_Pygmy 0.3
11 Khoisan 0.17
12 East_African 0.13
13 Melano_Polynesian 0.02

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 04:04 PM

His results are creepy...

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.41
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.05
3 Near_East 15.46 (same as Cypriots O_O)
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.93
5 North_African 7.05
6 South_Central_Asian 6.13
7 Paleo_Siberian 0.92
8 Tungus-Altaic 0.84
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.6
10 African_Pygmy 0.3
11 Khoisan 0.17
12 East_African 0.13
13 Melano_Polynesian 0.02

Yes and no

Even Cypriots don't have to look exotic or woggish

They can also have light features like this guy or look like mainstream Greeks

What would an average Crotoniate result look like?

I remember you posted some Calabrian results in the past but do you have one or two examples from Croton at hand now?

Petalpusher

06-30-2018, 05:01 PM

The Calabrian is fully Italian? When the Red_Sea begins to challenge the North_Sea, i think it should raise questions.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 05:14 PM

The Calabrian is fully Italian? When the Red_Sea begins to challenge the North_Sea, i think it should raise questions.

Has an Italian surname, but I think he may be assimilated Jew or something, he's even distant from the Calabrian reference in the oracle...

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 05:17 PM

Has an Italian surname, but I think he may be assimilated Jew or something, he's even distant from the Calabrian reference in the oracle...

Ok but what do Calabrian results or those in particular from Croton then look like?

I asked you before if you can post some and you didn't reply at all?

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 05:18 PM

Whatever it doesn't show much in his phenotype. Ok but what do Calabrian results or those in particular from Croton then look like? I asked you before if you can post some and you didn't reply at all?

I was referring to the first result posted by Sikeliot.

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 05:19 PM

I was referring to the first result posted by Sikeliot.

Ok still my question if you can post some better represantive examples is not answered though

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 05:23 PM

Ok still my question if you can post some better represantive examples is not answered though

Btw Red_Sea is high in all Calabrians, but that one was also distant from the Calabrians of the spreadsheet. This is another Calabrian:

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit M070551

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.88
2 West_Med 17.95
3 West_Asian 14.38
4 Atlantic 12.31
5 North_Sea 9.63
6 Red_Sea 6.3
7 Baltic 4.65
8 Eastern_Euro 2.83
9 Sub-Saharan 0.47
10 Northeast_African 0.4
11 Southeast_Asian 0.11
12 South_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.09
2 East_Sicilian 4.08
3 Central_Greek 4.52
4 Italian_Jewish 5.2
5 Ashkenazi 6.16
6 Sephardic_Jewish 6.56
7 Italian_Abruzzo 7.05
8 Algerian_Jewish 7.11
9 West_Sicilian 7.16
10 Greek 10.57
11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.71
12 Greek_Thessaly 10.87
13 Libyan_Jewish 11.99
14 Cyprian 12.33
15 Tuscan 12.41
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.12
17 Syrian 17.01
18 Turkish 18.31
19 Bulgarian 18.42
20 Samaritan 18.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.6% Cyprian + 31.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.53
2 54% Central_Greek + 46% Italian_Jewish @ 1.67
3 50.2% Cyprian + 49.8% Tuscan @ 1.86
4 60.8% Cyprian + 39.2% North_Italian @ 1.89
5 68.1% Cyprian + 31.9% Portuguese @ 1.9
6 62.7% Central_Greek + 37.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.96
7 69.4% Cyprian + 30.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.11
8 62.2% Tuscan + 37.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19
9 71.2% Cyprian + 28.8% French @ 2.22
10 75% Central_Greek + 25% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.24
11 51.6% North_Italian + 48.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.26
12 70.6% South_Italian + 29.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.43
13 61.5% Central_Greek + 38.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.44
14 86.3% South_Italian + 13.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.48
15 73.4% Central_Greek + 26.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.51
16 75.9% South_Italian + 24.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.53
17 69.4% Cyprian + 30.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.54
18 68% Cyprian + 32% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.56
19 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.61
20 59% East_Sicilian + 41% Italian_Jewish @ 2.61

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 05:27 PM

Btw Red_Sea is high in all Calabrians, but that one was also distant from the Calabrians of the spreadsheet. This is another Calabrian:

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit M070551

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.88
2 West_Med 17.95
3 West_Asian 14.38
4 Atlantic 12.31
5 North_Sea 9.63
6 Red_Sea 6.3
7 Baltic 4.65
8 Eastern_Euro 2.83
9 Sub-Saharan 0.47
10 Northeast_African 0.4
11 Southeast_Asian 0.11
12 South_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.09
2 East_Sicilian 4.08
3 Central_Greek 4.52
4 Italian_Jewish 5.2
5 Ashkenazi 6.16
6 Sephardic_Jewish 6.56
7 Italian_Abruzzo 7.05
8 Algerian_Jewish 7.11
9 West_Sicilian 7.16
10 Greek 10.57
11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.71
12 Greek_Thessaly 10.87
13 Libyan_Jewish 11.99
14 Cyprian 12.33
15 Tuscan 12.41
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.12
17 Syrian 17.01
18 Turkish 18.31
19 Bulgarian 18.42
20 Samaritan 18.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.6% Cyprian + 31.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.53
2 54% Central_Greek + 46% Italian_Jewish @ 1.67
3 50.2% Cyprian + 49.8% Tuscan @ 1.86
4 60.8% Cyprian + 39.2% North_Italian @ 1.89
5 68.1% Cyprian + 31.9% Portuguese @ 1.9
6 62.7% Central_Greek + 37.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.96
7 69.4% Cyprian + 30.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.11
8 62.2% Tuscan + 37.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19
9 71.2% Cyprian + 28.8% French @ 2.22
10 75% Central_Greek + 25% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.24
11 51.6% North_Italian + 48.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.26
12 70.6% South_Italian + 29.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.43
13 61.5% Central_Greek + 38.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.44
14 86.3% South_Italian + 13.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.48
15 73.4% Central_Greek + 26.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.51
16 75.9% South_Italian + 24.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.53
17 69.4% Cyprian + 30.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.54
18 68% Cyprian + 32% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.56
19 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.61
20 59% East_Sicilian + 41% Italian_Jewish @ 2.61

Interesting
He gets Central Greek fairly close
1 South_Italian 3.09
2 East_Sicilian 4.08
3 Central_Greek 4.52
4 Italian_Jewish 5.2
....
Thanks for posting
What about Caucasus ancestry in Calabrians compared to that of Sicilians?

I think they have more or Calabria is even the place with the highest Caucasus in Southern Italy
Correct?

I like these three
3 50.2% Cyprian + 49.8% Tuscan @ 1.86
4 60.8% Cyprian + 39.2% North_Italian @ 1.89
5 68.1% Cyprian + 31.9% Portuguese @ 1.9
^Absolutely possible to modell Calabrians without having to bring something Jewish in

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 05:31 PM

Calabria is even the place with the highest Caucasus in Southern Italy
Correct?

Caucaus is homogeneous in the south.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 05:35 PM

The Calabrian is fully Italian? When the Red_Sea begins to challenge the North_Sea, i think it should raise questions.

Calabria had many assimilated Jews. Though most people now have no knowledge of it. I have a cousin (4th) from Reggio who has confirmed his ancestry back several generations who does not know of any Jewish and he scores 11% Red Sea.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 05:37 PM

Btw Red_Sea is high in all Calabrians, but that one was also distant from the Calabrians of the spreadsheet.

The first person in this thread, and the 4th cousin of mine, are the highest I've seen yet, one of those being 11%.

For Sicily the limit I've seen for Red Sea tends to be 8% which was in someone from Messina and Caltanissetta, with the lowest being 2% in a Syracusan.

Leto

06-30-2018, 05:47 PM

Btw Red_Sea is high in all Calabrians, but that one was also distant from the Calabrians of the spreadsheet. This is another Calabrian:
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M070551

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.16
2 West_Med 22.34
3 West_Asian 14.71
4 North_Atlantic 14.12
5 Baltic 8.39
6 Red_Sea 5.74
7 Sub-Saharan 0.5
8 East_Asian 0.45
9 Northeast_African 0.29
10 South_Asian 0.27
11 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.54
2 East_Sicilian 3.97
3 Central_Greek 4.73
4 Ashkenazi 5.9
5 Algerian_Jewish 7.52
6 Sephardic_Jewish 7.98
7 Italian_Jewish 8.01
8 West_Sicilian 8.09
9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.81
10 Greek_Thessaly 11.22
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.44
12 Libyan_Jewish 12.24
13 Cyprian 12.57
14 Tuscan 14.63
15 Lebanese_Muslim 16.73
16 Syrian 18
17 Turkish 19.29
18 Samaritan 19.49
19 Bulgarian 19.89
20 Lebanese_Christian 20.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.9% Central_Greek + 37.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.04
2 78.9% East_Sicilian + 21.1% Cyprian @ 2.18
3 75.1% Central_Greek + 24.9% Cyprian @ 2.38
4 62.8% Cyprian + 37.2% North_Italian @ 2.42
5 82.7% Central_Greek + 17.3% Samaritan @ 2.46
6 83.8% Central_Greek + 16.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.57
7 73.8% Central_Greek + 26.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.6
8 87.3% East_Sicilian + 12.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.64
9 53.9% Cyprian + 46.1% Tuscan @ 2.68
10 66% Central_Greek + 34% Italian_Jewish @ 2.69
11 70% South_Italian + 30% Ashkenazi @ 2.74
12 75.7% Central_Greek + 24.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.78
13 87.4% East_Sicilian + 12.6% Samaritan @ 2.83
14 61.8% West_Sicilian + 38.2% Cyprian @ 2.84
15 88.4% East_Sicilian + 11.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.9
16 74.3% Cyprian + 25.7% Southwest_French @ 2.92
17 66.7% Central_Greek + 33.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.95
18 53% Greek_Thessaly + 47% Cyprian @ 2.98
19 86.7% South_Italian + 13.3% Cyprian @ 3
20 91.4% South_Italian + 8.6% Samaritan @ 3.04

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 05:49 PM

The first person in this thread, and the 4th cousin of mine, are the highest I've seen yet, one of those being 11%.

At such a high percentage they stop being Calabrians.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 05:52 PM

At such a high percentage they stop being Calabrians.

If Pontic Greeks (who plot with Armenians and not in Greece) can be Greek then assimilated Jews (again we have no proof this person is ethnically Jewish but it is likely it is in there) can be Calabrese.

Is an Apulian with over 10% East Europe + Baltic on K15 also not Apulian?

But with that said I think it depends, if someone's foreign ancestry is so far back it cannot be traced on a paper trail at that point I think they are Calabrian. One could easily argue a Sicilian with extremely high North Sea is no longer Sicilian with that standard because of the Norman input (there are A FEW examples of this, I know you'll say you don't think Norman ancestry is present in the vast majority), or someone in any country who is so atypical is not what they identify with. An Irish person plotting in Scandinavia (which happens) would no longer be Irish, and so on. Some East Germans plot in Eastern Europe. There are atypical people everywhere.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 05:55 PM

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:12 PM

rein

06-30-2018, 06:15 PM

Parents and grandparents born in one region or country = full native. You do have to draw the line at some point.

Even if they’re immigrants who only mixed with their ethnic group?

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 06:20 PM

Parents and grandparents born in one region or country = full native. You do have to draw the line at some point.

With Calabria, given that Jewish presence was large and they're nearly all assimilated now, I think that it can be written off as native. If these results belonged to people who were 1/8 foreign in recent times then absolutely they would not be listed on here by me as Calabrese.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:25 PM

Even if they’re immigrants who only mixed with their ethnic group?
Does having parents and grandparents born in the same country qualify as immigrant? Once again:

You do have to draw the line at some point.
I'm one of the least liberal members on this "European" community and you'd probably not wanna know my views on globalism and immigration (LOL) but neither do I feel like talking about it here, I generally refrain from discussing issues I have a strong opinion on after some intense time spent on TA.

Percivalle

06-30-2018, 06:28 PM

Parents and grandparents born in one region or country = full native. You do have to draw the line at some point.

Not really. If we follow your criteria, many non French or non British can be considered now ethnic French or British.

rein

06-30-2018, 06:29 PM

Does having parents and grandparents born in the same country qualify as immigrant? Once again:

I'm one of the least liberal members on this "European" community and you'd probably not wanna know my views on globalism and immigration (LOL) but neither do I feel like talking about it here, I generally refrain from discussing issues I have a strong opinion on after some intense time spent on TA.

Yes, people call them second or third generation migrants.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:32 PM

Not really. If we follow your criteria, many non French or non British can be considered now ethnic French or British.
What is your threshold then? Should they all be deported? Do you disregard culture, language, identity altogether? By the way, I'm not a a civic nationalist myself, but people usually don't get to see their great-grandparents. If was born in Italy, my parents were born in Italy and my grandparents were also born in Italy and we all spoke Italian and were Roman Catholics, I would consider myself Italian.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 06:35 PM

What is your threshold then? Should they all be deported? Do you disregard culture, language, identity altogether? By the way, I'm not a a civic nationalist myself, but people usually don't get to see their great-grandparents. If was born in Italy, my parents were born in Italy and my grandparents were also born in Italy and we all spoke Italian and were Roman Catholics, I would consider myself Italian.

Most Calabrese likely would not know they would score so much Red Sea or whatever unless they tested. They probably do not know of any Jewish roots.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:35 PM

Yes, people call them second or third generation migrants.
And fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, etc. LOL

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 06:36 PM

I am more likely to consider East Europe/Baltic a component making someone not Calabrese, over Red Sea. But that is just me.

But my standard is this: if you do not know of foreign ancestry and it's so far back and assimilated that is one thing, having a known great grandparent or more recent who is foreign makes one not fully native.

Yeah thats just your opinion and if it comes from an ancient source than i don't see why it shouldn't considered part of native ancestry.

Anyway the Baltic in Calabrians is fairly low.

On the other hand where is your source or historical evidence for a large scale assimilation of Jews in Calabria?

If anything such would have taken place then more in the urban centers of the region.

What i knew so far is that much of the Calabrian countryside were pretty isolated villages where people followed old conservative customs with very limited acces for outsiders and
resisted any invading and occupying force even the Italian state and were very clanish and still speaken Greek dialects.

Similar to corresponding places in Crete

What the hell would Jews have lost there?

But i know who you are
Manismah Ariel?:wave

Kamal900

06-30-2018, 06:37 PM

Most Calabrese likely would not know they would score so much Red Sea or whatever unless they tested. They probably do not know of any Jewish roots.

Is the red sea genetic component Arabian in origins?

Percivalle

06-30-2018, 06:38 PM

What is your threshold then? Should they all be deported? Do you disregard culture, language, identity altogether? By the way, I'm not a a civic nationalist myself, but people usually don't get to see their great-grandparents. If was born in Italy, my parents were born in Italy and my grandparents were also born in Italy and we all spoke Italian and were Roman Catholics, I would consider myself Italian.

Don't play silly games with me. We're speaking of genetics. Your considerations have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:38 PM

Most Calabrese likely would not know they would score so much Red Sea or whatever unless they tested. They probably do not know of any Jewish roots.
Well, a thousand years no one there identified as Italian, I suppose. And there were several groups of people living in Southern Italy back then, as far as I know.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 06:38 PM

Is the red sea genetic component Arabian in origins?

It's Bedouin.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 06:40 PM

Makes no sense to put 2 components for Middle East (East_Med and Red_Sea) when you just need one. The same applies to Atlantic and North_Sea.

Percivalle

06-30-2018, 06:41 PM

It's Bedouin.

It's not Bedouin in origin, it's related to the Basal Eurasian.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:41 PM

Don't play silly games with me. We're speaking of genetics. Your considerations have nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Okay, I agree but I'll repeat that we have to draw the line somewhere. GEDmatch and most genetic studies ask about parents and grandparents when they collect reference samples.

Ajeje Brazorf

06-30-2018, 06:42 PM

It's not Bedouin in origin, it's related to the Basal Eurasian.

Meaning it peaks in Bedouins of course.

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 06:43 PM

Meaning it peaks in Bedouins of course.

A Salam Aleikum Chabibi

Percivalle

06-30-2018, 06:44 PM

Okay, I agree but I'll repeat that we have to draw the line somewhere. GEDmatch and most genetic studies ask about parents and grandparents when they collect reference samples.

In fact even many academic samples, used on Gedmatch or genetic studies, aren't very much accurate.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 06:48 PM

Meaning it peaks in Bedouins of course.

So what would you say is the point at which any higher than that, you suspect foreign ancestry?

I think up to 8% is not a shock considering I've seen ~7% for many Sicilians. I can see how 11% would definitely catch you off guard though.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:50 PM

11% RS is almost the Lebanese level, come on. 12-14% if I remember correctly. No ethnic European is over 10% RS. Even 6-7% is a lot.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 06:53 PM

11% RS is almost the Lebanese level, come on. 12-14% if I remember correctly. No ethnic European is over 10% RS. Even 6-7% is a lot.

I emailed that person to check their origins and he responded that he has traced his ancestry back 4 generations and it only goes to 4 towns in southern Calabria. He has one line possibly in Sicily though.

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:56 PM

I emailed that person to check their origins and he responded that he has traced his ancestry back 4 generations and it only goes to 4 towns in southern Calabria. He has one line possibly in Sicily though.
Seems fully Italian. I'm pretty sure immigration to Italy was non-existent 4 generations back. Maybe a broken kit?

Leto

06-30-2018, 06:59 PM

Italian Jewish reference on K13 is 7% Red Sea.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 07:07 PM

Seems fully Italian. I'm pretty sure immigration to Italy was non-existent 4 generations back. Maybe a broken kit?

It could just be an outlier.

This is what he gets on MDLP K23 (not the first guy here but my relative with 11% Red Sea):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.74
2 European_Early_Farmers 18.10
3 Near_East 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.83
5 North_African 5.20
6 South_Central_Asian 3.27

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 7.357052
2 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.504905
3 Greek_Islands_ @ 8.882466
4 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.165987
5 Italian_South_ @ 9.224605
6 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 9.833349
7 Sicilian_Center_ @ 9.834724
8 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.841646
9 Cypriot_ @ 9.876967
10 Turk_Jew_ @ 10.142814
11 Greek_ @ 10.618368
12 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.633199
13 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.730267
14 Italian_Jew_ @ 10.740831
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 10.862176
16 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 11.013836
17 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 11.213881
18 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 11.403961
19 French_Jew_ @ 11.463677
20 Syrian_Jew_ @ 12.518769

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Lebanese_Christian_ @ 3.809997

rein

06-30-2018, 07:08 PM

It could just be an outlier.

This is what he gets on MDLP K23 (not the first guy here but my relative with 11% Red Sea):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.74
2 European_Early_Farmers 18.10
3 Near_East 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.83
5 North_African 5.20
6 South_Central_Asian 3.27

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 7.357052
2 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.504905
3 Greek_Islands_ @ 8.882466
4 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.165987
5 Italian_South_ @ 9.224605
6 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 9.833349
7 Sicilian_Center_ @ 9.834724
8 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.841646
9 Cypriot_ @ 9.876967
10 Turk_Jew_ @ 10.142814
11 Greek_ @ 10.618368
12 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.633199
13 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.730267
14 Italian_Jew_ @ 10.740831
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 10.862176
16 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 11.013836
17 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 11.213881
18 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 11.403961
19 French_Jew_ @ 11.463677
20 Syrian_Jew_ @ 12.518769

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Lebanese_Christian_ @ 3.809997

Interesting given that MDLP k23b is quite a Eurocentric calculator.

Sikeliot

06-30-2018, 07:12 PM

Interesting given that MDLP k23b is quite a Eurocentric calculator.

I can believe he is an outlier Calabrese.

For comparison here is a person from the Dodecanese islands who is similar (Rhodes).

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.22
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.29
3 Near_East 12.90
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.06
5 South_Central_Asian 7.70
6 North_African 5.36
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.64
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.19

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 2.478439
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 4.950801
3 Greek_Islands_ @ 5.991212
4 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.781912
5 Italian_South_ @ 7.180545
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.218494
7 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.736488
8 French_Jew_ @ 7.821569
9 Turk_Jew_ @ 8.342495
10 Italian_Jew_ @ 8.541928
11 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.557828
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.570341
13 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 8.580830
14 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.590677
15 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.691858
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.804137
17 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 8.953825
18 Cypriot_ @ 9.144470
19 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 9.183701
20 Greek_ @ 9.209949

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Athens_ +50% Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.835271

Tauromachos

06-30-2018, 07:18 PM

Interesting given that MDLP k23b is quite a Eurocentric calculator.

What are the other Calculators then?

Judeo Centric?

Calabrians can also modelled without any Jewish or Lebanese at all

Why not using Greek Cypriots instead of Jews and Lebanese?

Here
3 50.2% Cyprian + 49.8% Tuscan @ 1.86
4 60.8% Cyprian + 39.2% North_Italian @ 1.89
5 68.1% Cyprian + 31.9% Portuguese @ 1.9

rein

06-30-2018, 07:20 PM

What are the other Calculators then?

Judeo Centric?

Some of them, yeah.

rein

06-30-2018, 09:23 PM

Does having parents and grandparents born in the same country qualify as immigrant? Once again:

I'm one of the least liberal members on this "European" community and you'd probably not wanna know my views on globalism and immigration (LOL) but neither do I feel like talking about it here, I generally refrain from discussing issues I have a strong opinion on after some intense time spent on TA.

Eek, you’ve caught me out. I somehow managed to sneak into this European community. Do you want me to leave?

Leto

06-30-2018, 10:21 PM

Eek, you’ve caught me out. I somehow managed to sneak into this European community. Do you want me to leave?
If you're not Muslim, you may stay :p After all, you are half Russian and only 2% black :D

rein

06-30-2018, 10:26 PM

If you're not Muslim, you may stay :p After all, you are half Russian and only 2% black :D

Practically a mulatto. :p

Leto

06-30-2018, 10:30 PM

Practically a mulatto. :p
Lol. There's a Portuguese guy here who is around 3%. Your Jordanian side is genetically not a transplanted camel jockey from fucking Arabia and the indigenous Levantine people are quite popular and favored here ;)

Leto

11-04-2020, 12:20 PM

Vibo Valentia

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.83
2 Atlantic_Med 23.75
3 Southwest_Asian 15.09
4 North_European 10.36
5 Gedrosia 8.36
6 Northwest_African 4.28
7 South_Asian 1.24
8 East_African 0.67
9 Sub_Saharan 0.42

Distance to: Vibo_Valentia
4.16390262 Italy_Calabria
4.45702816 Italian_Jews
4.70712226 Greek_Kos
4.95543136 Greek_Crete
5.02845901 MD_Jewish
5.15550192 Ashkenazi_Jews
6.33391546 Italy_Sicily
6.59486164 Sephardic_Jews
6.97054517 Greek_Izmir
7.28767905 Italy_Campania

Target: Vibo_Valentia
Distance: 0.6035% / 0.60354116 | ADC: 0.25x
54.0 Italian_Jews
34.8 Greek_Crete
6.4 Italy_Calabria
3.2 Iran_Bandari
1.6 Parsi_India

Crotone

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.25
2 Atlantic_Med 29.19
3 North_European 15.88
4 Southwest_Asian 13.54
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 Northwest_African 2.63
7 Siberian 1.32
8 East_African 0.36
9 South_Asian 0.2
10 Sub_Saharan 0.11

Distance to: Crotone
3.91821026 Italy_Abruzzo
4.44497986 Italy_Campania
4.87144178 Italy_Sicily
4.99443170 Italy_Apulia
5.99143555 Ashkenazi_Jews
6.25702006 MD_Jewish
6.57286376 Italy_Marche
6.72568956 Greek_Athens
6.74694627 Italy_Lazio
6.93119759 Greek_Central

Target: Crotone
Distance: 1.0957% / 1.09569654 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4 Italy_Marche
35.0 Ashkenazi_Jews
10.0 Italy_Campania
3.0 Kuwait2
0.4 Ket
0.2 Dolgan