Crete has a more basal variety of I2 than the rest of the Balkans.

[Voskos]

The variety of haplogroup I in Crete is I2‐M438* rather than I2a‐P37 which predominates in the Balkans.

So where is it from? Vlachs maybe? Or slavic soldiers?

[Tauromachos]

So where is it from? Vlachs maybe? Or slavic soldiers?

Sorry but can you ellaborate where you do find alot of I2 in Crete?

I didn't even knew that it exsits there at all

[Wrong]

"The variety of haplogroup I in Crete is I2‐M438* rather than I2a‐P37 which predominates in the Balkans."

This doesn't say much tbh, we have to dig deeper inside the clades.

I2 in Crete can be of a clade that predates the Neolithic G2a carriers that came there. But it can also be later introduction from Western or North Europe.

[Voskos]

Sorry but can you ellaborate where you do find alot of I2 in Crete?

I didn't even knew that it exsits there at all

there is not a lot , it is around 6% apparently and it is mostly not I2a P37 which itself is slavic.

[Papastratosels26]

Vlachs or Slavs doesnt exists in Crete.

[Teucer]

From Wikipedia:

Basal I2* (I-M438*) has been found in ancient remains from Frankthi cave, in the eastern Peloponnese region of Greece. Along with its modern presence in Crete and Sicily, this may suggest that the haplogroup originated in the Eastern Mediterranean[citation needed]

Haplogroup I2a may be the haplogroup of the first anatomically modern humans to inhabit Europe, Cro-Magnon. A 2015 study found haplogroup I2a in 13,000 year old remains from the Azilian culture (at modern Bichon, Switzerland).[6]

Haplogroup I2a was the most frequent Y-DNA among western European mesolithic hunter gatherers (WHG) belonging to Villabruna Cluster. A 2015 study found haplogroup I2a in 13,500 year old remains from the Azilian culture (at modern Bichon, Switzerland).

[Tauromachos]

there is not a lot , it is around 6% apparently and it is mostly not I2a P37 which itself is slavic.

But Wrong says exactly the opposite

That most I2 in Crete is different from that in Balkans

[Voskos]

But Wrong says exactly the opposite

That any I2 in Crete is different from that in Balkans

P37 is slavic. P37 in crete is less than 2%. I2 in general is higher though.

[Tauromachos]

P37 is slavic. P37 in crete is less than 2%. I2 in general is higher though.

Yeah but hence i don't understant the point of your thread.

When its lower than 2% then there was insignifcant Slavic input in Crete at least as far as this haplogroup is concerned

And it seems reasonable to me to believe that Slavs migrations didn't affect Crete very much.

Even some parts of the Peloponnese were unaffected by them

[Wrong]

It is not this one, right? Barely exists in Slavic populace.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-I2b.gif

[Voskos]

Yeah but hence i don't understant the point of your thread.

When its lower than 2% then there was insignifcant Slavic input in Crete at least as far as this haplogroup is concerned

And it seems reasonable to me

what i meant to say is it might have come with some pre-slavs or some populations related to slavs like vlachs.

[Wrong]

what i meant to say is it might have come with some pre-slavs or some populations related to slavs like vlachs.
Aromanians were similar to Albanians genetically before the Slavic migrations south.

Vlach is too broad term, I stopped using it, unless it is a Latin speaker from Poland, Ukraine or something.

[Tauromachos]

what i meant to say is it might have come with some pre-slavs or some populations related to slavs like vlachs.



Dude Greeks are much older than Slavs and have way more cultural and historical presence through the ages

All this Greek Slav obssesion is ridiculous at a certain point


It could be that this haplogroup was part of the Steppe ancestry which Mycanaeans"Bronze Age Mainland Greeks" brought when they came to Crete

But i also find Teucer's post interesting though i can't tell how reliable it is what he refered to

And Wrong is right Vlachs as such aren't realy related to Slavs neither

[Voskos]

in the first table, Rethymno, Chania, Lasithi, Lasithi Plateau and Heraklion are localities in Crete:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ro2ijOk8JWc/SC8zx6avGkI/AAAAAAAAADQ/7hL-UB7IwTQ/s1600-h/data.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ro2ijOk8JWc/SC8zx6avGkI/AAAAAAAAADQ/7hL-UB7IwTQ/s1600-h/data.jpg

https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/cms/attachment/3cf7b6d3-437a-4cea-860c-58ea6d55be4b/ahg_414_f2.gif

[Wrong]

Pre-Slavs :picard2:

Dude Greeks are much older than Slavs and have way more cultural and historical presence through the ages

All this Greek Slav obssesion is ridiculous at a certain point


It could be that this haplogroup was part of the Steppe ancestry which Mycanaeans"Bronze Age Mainland Greeks" brought when they came to Crete

But i also find Teucer's post interesting though i can't tell how reliable it is what he refered to

And Wrong is right Vlachs as such aren't realy related to Slavs neither
With pre-Slavs, mongrel meant populations that predated the Slavs, not the Slavs themselves.

[Tauromachos]

With pre-Slavs, mongrel meant populations that predated the Slavs, not the Slavs themselves.

Yeah ok got it now

[Pribislav]

Vlachs or Slavs doesnt exists in Crete.

Vlachs in Greece
https://i0.wp.com/filme-carti.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/romanii-sud-dunareni-la-inceputul-sex-20.gif

Slavs in Greece
https://i.redd.it/legqol9idcey.png

[Tauromachos]

Vlachs in Greece
https://i0.wp.com/filme-carti.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/romanii-sud-dunareni-la-inceputul-sex-20.gif

Slavs in Greece
https://i.redd.it/legqol9idcey.png




PFFFFFFFF

NO WAY

[Voskos]

Aromanians were similar to Albanians genetically before the Slavic migrations south.

Vlach is too broad term, I stopped using it, unless it is a Latin speaker from Poland, Ukraine or something.

albanians probably assimilated these folks. i have some matches with aromanian surnames and they're mostly I2a.

[Wrong]

albanians probably assimilated these folks. i have some matches with aromanian surnames and they're mostly I2a.
It went both ways. Many Aromanians were Latinized Albanians/Illyrians.

[Wrong]

Vlachs in Greece
https://i0.wp.com/filme-carti.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/romanii-sud-dunareni-la-inceputul-sex-20.gif

Slavs in Greece
https://i.redd.it/legqol9idcey.png
18% R1a in South Peloponnese? 22.7% in Rethymno, Crete??

[Voskos]

Vlachs in Greece
https://i0.wp.com/filme-carti.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/romanii-sud-dunareni-la-inceputul-sex-20.gif

Slavs in Greece
https://i.redd.it/legqol9idcey.png

those are maps made by amateurs, the R1a map is made by a apricity member.

[Voskos]

18% R1a in South Peloponnese? 22.7% in Rethymno, Crete??

its possible.maybe a founder effect. cretans were no more than 300k people about a hundred years ago.

[Wrong]

its possible.maybe a founder effect. cretans were no more than 300k people about a hundred years ago.
Founder effects are underrated here on TA.

Modern urbanization inflates and deflates alot of numbers.

[Papastratosels26]

Vlachs in Greece
https://i0.wp.com/filme-carti.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/romanii-sud-dunareni-la-inceputul-sex-20.gif

Slavs in Greece
https://i.redd.it/legqol9idcey.png

Official documents,or Studies from Univercitys i want to see.Not amateurs maps seems biased.

[Pribislav]

18% R1a in South Peloponnese? 22.7% in Rethymno, Crete??

In the southern Peloponnese lived Slavic tribes Melingoi and Ezeritai. They survived 200-300 years after arrival in Peleponnese, later they were assimilated by Greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melingoi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezeritai
Slavic influence in Peloponnese is stronger than many people think. Sikeliot know.

For Crete is probably a mistake. Slavs never settled to Crete.

[Tauromachos]

In the southern Peloponnese lived Slavic tribes Melingoi and Ezeritai. They survived 200-300 years after arrival in Peleponnese, later they assimilated by Greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melingoi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezeritai
Slavic influence in Peloponnese is stronger than many people think. Sikeliot know.

For Crete is probably a mistake. Slavs never settled to Crete.


Don't talk out your ass

Slavic in Peloponnese is between 0% and 15% according to this official study
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718




The two Slavic tribes you are talking about were not that big in numbers and they only settled in some regions of Messinia or Laconia but for example
they didn't entered the Mani peninsular.

The Mani peninsular and the Tsakonian region in Arcadia have almost no Slavic.


Also not all R1a in Greeks is Slavic

There is a R1a clade that exists in Southern Italy Apulia too and was brought by ancient Greek settlers
This clade clearly predates any Slavic migration to Greece

[Kamal900]

Don't talk out your ass

Slavic in Peloponnese is between 0% and 15% according to this official study
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718




The two Slavic tribes you are talking about where not that big in numbers and they only settled in some regions of Messinia or Laconia but for example
they didn't entered the Mani peninsular.

The Mani peninsular and the Tsakonian region in Arcadia have almost no Slavic.


Also not all R1a in Greeks is Slavic

There is a R1a clade that exists in Southern Italy Apulia to and was brought by ancient Greek settlers
This clade clearly predates any Slavic migration to Greece

The R1a among Greeks could be related to the central asian clade of Z-93 where Indo-Iranian and Armenians first originated. Must be related to the linguistic ancestors of Greeks at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE or something.

[Pribislav]

Don't talk out your ass

Slavic in Peloponnese is between 0% and 15% according to this official study
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718




The two Slavic tribes you are talking about where not that big in numbers and they only settled in some regions of Messinia or Laconia but for example
they didn't entered the Mani peninsular.

The Mani peninsular and the Tsakonian region in Arcadia have almost no Slavic.


Also not all R1a in Greeks is Slavic

There is a R1a clade that exists in Southern Italy Apulia to and was brought by ancient Greek settlers
This clade clearly predates any Slavic migration to Greece

18% R1a is only in 2 penincula in the southern Peloponnese, and that is a small part of Peloponnese. In that region Melingoi and Ezeritai settled, very interesting. :)

Greek Macedonia is most slavic influenced Greek region without doubt.

Peloponnese has higher percentage of R1b than other Greek regions (mostly BY611), and that is because of Arvanite influence.

[Tauromachos]

The R1a among Greeks could be related to the central asian clade of Z-93 where Indo-Iranian and Armenians first originated. Must be related to the linguistic ancestors of Greeks at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE or something.

Don't know but the ancient Greek R1a could be likely part of the ancestry Bronze Age Greeks had


Study results show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically highly similar - but not identical - and that modern Greeks descend from these populations. The Minoans and Mycenaeans descended mainly from early Neolithic farmers, likely migrating thousands of years prior to the Bronze Age from Anatolia, in what is today modern Turkey."Minoans, Mycenaeans, and modern Greeks also had some ancestry related to the ancient people of the Caucasus, Armenia, and Iran. This finding suggests that some migration occurred in the Aegean and southwestern Anatolia from further east after the time of the earliest farmers," said Lazaridis.



While both Minoans and Mycenaeans had both "first farmer" and "eastern" genetic origins, Mycenaeans traced an additional minor component of their ancestry to ancient inhabitants of Eastern Europe and northern Eurasia. This type of so-called Ancient North Eurasian ancestry is one of the three ancestral populations of present-day Europeans, and is also found in modern Greek

Further read here: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html

[Pribislav]

The R1a among Greeks could be related to the central asian clade of Z-93 where Indo-Iranian and Armenians first originated. Must be related to the linguistic ancestors of Greeks at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE or something.

Most common subclade of R1a in Greece is M458, and that is a clearly Slavic subclade.

[Tauromachos]

Most common subclade of R1a in Greece is M458, and that is a clearly Slavic subclade.

And how do you know that its everywhere in Greece this subclade?

[Pribislav]

And how do you know that its everywhere in Greece this subclade?

Greece has more R1a-M458 than Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia.
Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian R1a is mostly Z280.

R1a-M458 has peak among Sorbs and Poles.

[Wrong]

Don't know but it could be likely part of the ancestry Bronze Age Greeks had



Further read here: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html[/FONT][/COLOR]
R1a-Z93 is in minimal or zero amounts in Greeks nowadays though.

Bronze Age/Steppe ancestry in Greeks was mostly carried and influenced by R1b.

[Tauromachos]

18% R1a is only in 2 penincula in the southern Peloponnese, and that is a small part of Peloponnese. In that region Melingoi and Ezeritai settled, very interesting. :)


No its not interesting at all

As i told the study i have posted shows that Slavic affinity in the Mani peninsular is 2% or 1% or less
If Maniots have R1a than it is an ancient not the Slavic clade.

The Slavs in South Peloponesse settled around Taygetos mountains outside of Deep Mani.

And people in this parts of Laconia and Messinia are shown indeed to have more Slavic than Maniots do.

Other than that their Non Slavic part of Ancestry which is the majority of their ancestry points to Southern Italy

Read the study i have posted and think about it

Or just shut up

[Pribislav]

The R1a among Greeks could be related to the central asian clade of Z-93 where Indo-Iranian and Armenians first originated. Must be related to the linguistic ancestors of Greeks at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE or something.

Z93 does not exist in Greece.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2f/a7/39/2fa739160d49273e6279b278d8fa6711--central-asia-antropology.jpg

[Wrong]

Z93 does not exist in Greece.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2f/a7/39/2fa739160d49273e6279b278d8fa6711--central-asia-antropology.jpg
Bronze Age Thracian had it.

Btw, let's not trust Eupedia maps to 100%.

[Tauromachos]

Z93 does not exist in Greece.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2f/a7/39/2fa739160d49273e6279b278d8fa6711--central-asia-antropology.jpg

No one cares

[Wrong]

In more recent times, I think gypsies carried some R1a-Z93 to Europe.

[Pribislav]

Bronze Age Thracian had it.

I know.
It's really weird that R1a-Z93 almost does not exist among Balkan nations and proto-Thracian were basically R1a-Z93.
I wonder what happened with ancient R1a-Z93 in the Balkans. Maybe they disappeared in the wars against Romans, and later as soldiers in Roman army.

[Wrong]

I know.
It's really weird that R1a-Z93 almost does not exist among Balkan nations and proto-Thracian were basically R1a-Z93.
I wonder what happened with ancient R1a-Z93 in the Balkans. Maybe they disappeared in the wars against Romans, and later as soldiers in Roman army.
Maybe slaves and gladiators who did not end up reproducing.

[Dibran]

If I am not mistaken(correct me if I am wrong), The I2 in crete is closer to Caucasus I2, and has little to do with the I2-Din Slavic variety in the rest of the Balkans.

[Dibran]

Maybe slaves and gladiators who did not end up reproducing.

Alot of the Balkans is still under-tested. Theres still a chance the Proto-Thracian variety of Z93 pops up. Albeit, I imagine it will be atypically represented. Granted, a good amount of Z93 thus far is mainly of the turkic variety.

[Dibran]

Vlachs or Slavs doesnt exists in Crete.

True. Yet, considering the passage of time, it is not unlikely that Romanized Slavs of the Byzantine era that later were assimilated into Greek speaking communities moved there later and became fruitful in progeny. We're talking 12-1300 years here. More than enough time for assimiles to arrive as Greek speakers, rather than directly Slavic speaking.

[Dibran]

From Wikipedia:

Basal I2* (I-M438*) has been found in ancient remains from Frankthi cave, in the eastern Peloponnese region of Greece. Along with its modern presence in Crete and Sicily, this may suggest that the haplogroup originated in the Eastern Mediterranean[citation needed]

Haplogroup I2a may be the haplogroup of the first anatomically modern humans to inhabit Europe, Cro-Magnon. A 2015 study found haplogroup I2a in 13,000 year old remains from the Azilian culture (at modern Bichon, Switzerland).[6]

Haplogroup I2a was the most frequent Y-DNA among western European mesolithic hunter gatherers (WHG) belonging to Villabruna Cluster. A 2015 study found haplogroup I2a in 13,500 year old remains from the Azilian culture (at modern Bichon, Switzerland).

True, but I think the I2 in Crete will be completely different from I2a1b-Din. I2a1b represents a back migration with Slavic and maybe partially East Germanic tribal confederations in the early middle ages. Theres a branch of I2-Din actually that is only common in Greeks and East European Jews. In these cases the I2 on the mainland for this Greek cluster dating to 200BC may be the Bastarnae hired by King Phillip. Whereas, I2a1b-Din in the rest of the Balkans belongs almost exclusively to PH908 and far younger downstream clades, which is dated to the medieval Slavic expansion.

I2 in Crete may be its own story, with yet to be undiscovered clusters or branches that full genome resolution tests will unravel. Slowly but surely it will become cheaper and the story clearer.

[Dibran]

18% R1a in South Peloponnese? 22.7% in Rethymno, Crete??

The fact that Normans and Goths pushed through west Macedonia/Central Albania makes it seem more likely that its not entirely Slavic. Normans themselves coming from Vikings who themselves dealt with Slavic tribes on their coasts, could have assimilated Slavic Pirates and over time brought some of these clusters with them. Theres also Venetian Albania as a possibility. Venetians took alot of assimilated folk on the Dalmatian coast as soldiers in Central Albania when halting the Norman expansion. Theres also the case of some records indicating settlement of German soldiers during the crusade who could have carried some clusters with them.

Slavs just like to fit everything neatly into a box with a nice bow without contextually examining things case by case. Now you have Maciamo neglecting Albanians when referring to V13/J2b and even going as far to say alot of it came with "Slavs". Theres clear agendas with these folks. They ignore how turbulent the middle ages really were and equate them to modern conceptions of social constructs that barely existed then. Theres also the case of Pannonian Avars who were already heavily intermixed in Central Europe before arriving to the Balkans. Considering remains of some Avar elite coming out "Polish like".

[Bosniensis]

Discussion about Haplogroups is very difficult especially on Amateur forum like TA where people are biased and full of animosity towards other nationalities etc...

That' why I have decided to abstain from any Haplogroup comments in the future because eventually in 5-10-20 years, science will reveal and confirm everything and there will be no need to debate anymore.

[Dibran]

Don't talk out your ass

Slavic in Peloponnese is between 0% and 15% according to this official study
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718




The two Slavic tribes you are talking about were not that big in numbers and they only settled in some regions of Messinia or Laconia but for example
they didn't entered the Mani peninsular.

The Mani peninsular and the Tsakonian region in Arcadia have almost no Slavic.


Also not all R1a in Greeks is Slavic

There is a R1a clade that exists in Southern Italy Apulia too and was brought by ancient Greek settlers
This clade clearly predates any Slavic migration to Greece

We have a new Albanian in our project who is basal M458-CTS11962* TMRCA 1000BC. He hasn't done a full resolution test yet. So it is uncertain if he has a further downstream founder clade or what his matches would be like. Theres also the case of the Albanian founder effect in my L1029 that only has Albanians dated roughly to 600AD(pending other novels).

Anything to fit an agenda. They don't examine things case by case. I am interested to hear about this Apulia R1a guy. Any sources?

[Wrong]

Discussion about Haplogroups is very difficult especially on Amateur forum like TA where people are biased and full of animosity towards other nationalities etc...

That' why I have decided to abstain from any Haplogroup comments in the future because eventually in 5-10-20 years, science will reveal and confirm everything and there will be no need to debate anymore.
We all will perish from a geno-toxic wave until then, since we gave out our DNA samples to these companies, that can do whatever they want now.

[Dibran]

We all will perish from a geno-toxic wave until then, since we gave out our DNA samples to these companies, that can do whatever they want now.

They can in the end never truly win brother.

Quran 8:30

And when the unbelievers were planning against thee, to confine thee, or slay thee, or to expel thee, and were planning, and The God was planning; and The God is the best of planners.

[Bosniensis]

We all will perish from a geno-toxic wave until then, since we gave out our DNA samples to these companies, that can do whatever they want now.

In couple more Years They will be able to collect samples en masse even without people’s knowledge so it doesn’t make big difference


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[Ülev]

http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/2.20-500x500.jpg
according to this source: http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5629

[Tauromachos]

We have a new Albanian in our project who is basal M458-CTS11962* TMRCA 1000BC. He hasn't done a full resolution test yet. So it is uncertain if he has a further downstream founder clade or what his matches would be like. Theres also the case of the Albanian founder effect in my L1029 that only has Albanians dated roughly to 600AD(pending other novels).

Anything to fit an agenda. They don't examine things case by case. I am interested to hear about this Apulia R1a guy. Any sources?

Sikeliot did a thread about a study on South Italian y-dna where you can find the information

I don't remember the exact subclade now by hand but almost sure its not Slavic given the historical context and what the study says

[Dibran]

Sikeliot did a thread about a study on South Italian y-dna where you can find the information

I don't remember the exact subclade now by hand but almost sure its not Slavic given the historical context and what the study says

I gotta check it out. Perhaps it’s some old Z93. I heard old basal Z93 popped up a few times in South Italy which is probably why initially they suspected Mycenaeans to be Z93 before finding J2a. Given the shared history of Southern italy with Greeks.

[Livin]

Slavs in Crete?No way!

In peloponnesus and northern parts yes.

[Tauromachos]

Greece has more R1a-M458 than Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia.
Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian R1a is mostly Z280.

R1a-M458 has peak among Sorbs and Poles.

?

[Dibran]

?

I think if anything it’s most probably Goths in the case of M458. Its strongest in Central Europe. If not Goths could even be Avars. M458 reaches upwards of 20 percent in North and south Caucusus. They also have more basal M458 than elsewhere.

The highest M458 diversity is in Germany and Poland. Regarding the most common clade in Greeks it is L1029 more specifically YP263 which is most prdvelant in Germans, Poles, and Scandinavian and British Isles L1029. Despite being rather insignificant it has more diversity in southern Sweden than in the Balkans.

While some M458 L1029 in Greece is of the YP417 variety(dominant in Bulgarians and Macedonian Slavs). Their L1029 predominantly falls in L1029 western clusters which is more common in central North and Western European L1029.

It may be part of Vistula Veneti absorbed by Goths in their movement to the Balkans.

For instance, Bulgarian R1a reaches 17 percent roughly. Of which M458 is about 60 percent and the remainder Z280. Of M458, roughly 2 thirds belongs to YP417 and downstream clades and YP515 common in Eastern Europe. L1029 western clusters only equate to 3-4 percent of Bulgarian R1a overall, and that’s the highest in the entire Balkans.

Serbian M458 for instance is mostly YP515 and YP417. Croatian M458 is mostly L260. And the entirety of M458 only reaches 4 percent in Serbian R1a. Maybe 5.

There is more diversity in Germany and Poland for M458 than elsewhere. Considering the Slavic urheimat is the Kiev culture of Ukraine, M458 May have just been Proto Balts first absorbed by Goths then Slavs.

There is also no ancient DNA as of yet for M458 predating 1100AD so most of their assumptions are useless. We need samples pre 500AD or late Iron Age to say anything conclusive about it. My bet is they are the Proto-Baltic Vistula Veneti mentioned by Tacitus. Possibly joined in with Goths in their movements. Maybe even Avars considering the basal elevations in the north and South Caucasus. Circassians. Shapsough adyghe etc.

Also in my case, my closest matches outside my founder effect are Germans Scandinavians and Circassians, Shapsough, Adyghe. The most basal YP263(which I am negative for) is found in Germans, Scandinavians and Circassians.

[Peterski]

18% R1a in South Peloponnese? 22.7% in Rethymno, Crete??

Someone used my map and modified it, because I had no data for South Peloponnese (only for Lerna and Patras):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196356-Greek-Y-DNA-haplogroups-(regional-breakdown)&p=4088021&viewfull=1#post4088021

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=63147&d=1480266163

Rethymno does have a lot of R1a though (based on a study about Lasithi Plateau DNA).

Slavic admixture in Crete could be mediated by Mainland Greeks who migrated to Crete.

It doesn't have to be all directly from Slavs, it can be from Slavic-admixed Mainland Greeks.

That said, there are some Slavic toponyms in Crete as well:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?244521-Number-of-Slavic-toponyms-in-Greece-by-region

https://i.redd.it/4lv9fk6frzhy.png

[Tauromachos]

Someone used my map and modified it, because I had no data for South Peloponnese (only for Lerna and Patras):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196356-Greek-Y-DNA-haplogroups-(regional-breakdown)&p=4088021&viewfull=1#post4088021

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=63147&d=1480266163

Rethymno does have a lot of R1a though (based on a study about Lasithi Plateau DNA).

Slavic admixture in Crete could be mediated by Mainland Greeks who migrated to Crete.

It doesn't have to be all directly from Slavs, it can be from Slavic-admixed Mainland Greeks.

That said, there are some Slavic toponyms in Crete as well:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?244521-Number-of-Slavic-toponyms-in-Greece-by-region

https://i.redd.it/4lv9fk6frzhy.png

Yes but R1a in Khania West Crete is actually very low and they have high J2 instead