America creating terrorist groups

[Teutone]

John McCain one of the most famous neocon warmongers and slave of the industrial military complex

https://i.redd.it/ad3n1wes1y2z.jpg

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Bin Laden and Taliban praised and armed as freedom warrior during cold war

https://i0.wp.com/media.salon.com/2015/11/osama-bin-laden-independent.jpg

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Al Quaida linked Al Nusra front now called Haiʾat Tahrir asch-Scham recieved several americans arms and support

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1426990/syria-nusra-us-weapons-tow.png?w=400&e=87c51e78cf504947d213929a32e57779

http://217.218.67.233//photo/20170819/93e39557-0d59-4c64-8656-346c073948b6.jpg

http://i2.wp.com/www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/eb03856f51bf01b293f3bc77d566d6d4_XL.jpg

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New Libyan ISIS Leader was one time Endorsed by John McCain


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AE-rwa-CoxM/maxresdefault.jpg


The list can go and on at almost every conflict involving terrorists

[Larali]

Stop posting bull crap photoshops and go get educated.

[Teutone]

Stop posting bull crap photoshops and go get educated.

Oh so you deny those facts?

Provide me some evidence? I know its hard to accept the truth growing up with CNN and FOX, even your OWN president admitted that terrorists were armed during the Obama years.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-barack-obama-isis-latest-speech-terrorism-claims-election-2016-a7184536.html


If you had basic education you would know about the fact that the taliban and therefor Bin Laden were actively trained and armed by the US government

[Marmara]

Lol at the Jihadists who think they fight for Allah but actually fight for America and Israel.

These fools are the perfect tool, and if i was at the head of American government i would probably do the same.

[Teutone]

Lol at the Jihadists who think they fight for Allah but actually fight for America and Israel.

These fools are the perfect tool, and if i was at the head of American government i would probably do the same.

The leaders are totally involved in that shit

Soldiers are mostly sheeps and idiots no matter if they fight for Nato cocaine sniffing politicans or for cocaine sniffing A Baghdadi

Look what Kissinger said

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-military-men-are-just-dumb-stupid-animals-to-be-used-as-pawns-in-foreign-policy-henry-a-kissinger-39-91-50.jpg

[Norb]

The leaders are totally involved in that shit

Soldiers are mostly sheeps and idiots no matter if they fight for Nato cocaine sniffing politicans or for cocaine sniffing A Baghdadi

Look what Kissinger said

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-military-men-are-just-dumb-stupid-animals-to-be-used-as-pawns-in-foreign-policy-henry-a-kissinger-39-91-50.jpg

lol Kissinger

[Larali]

Oh so you deny those facts?

Provide me some evidence? I know its hard to accept the truth growing up with CNN and FOX, even your OWN president admitted that terrorists were armed during the Obama years.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-barack-obama-isis-latest-speech-terrorism-claims-election-2016-a7184536.html


If you had basic education you would know about the fact that the taliban and therefor Bin Laden were actively trained and armed by the US government

Your logical fallacy is

burden of proof


You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.

[Teutone]

Your logical fallacy is

burden of proof


You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.

I provided you with proof, there is no photoshop involved.

How could Trump officially end the armament of Jihadi groups in Syria if they never were armed? Explain me this logic.

And that you dont know about the basic facts of the soviet - afghan war and charlie wilson says everything about your level of education.

[Teutone]

lol Kissinger

What he says is 100% accurate

And that there are people risking their life and killing others for these sociopaths says everything too

[Larali]

I provided you with proof, there is no photoshop involved.

How could Trump officially end the armament of Jihadi groups in Syria if they never were armed? Explain me this logic.

And that you dont know about the basic facts of the soviet - afghan war and charlie wilson says everything about your level of education.


You have the IQ of a potato.

[rein]

So these terrorists are just boogeymen?

[Teutone]

You have the IQ of a potato.

I still wait for any facts and the end of personal insults.

Thats how civilized Europeans have a discussion.

[Larali]

I still wait for any facts and the end of personal insults.

Thats how civilized Europeans have a discussion.

No, civilized people go to college and learn proper rhetoric.

You're posting fake crap. There is nothing here for me to argue against.

[Teutone]

No, civilized people go to college and learn proper rhetoric.

You're posting fake crap. There is nothing here for me to argue against.

Also: I didn't insult you.

This is not Fake crap, name a source/ news outlets you trust and then I can provide further evidence.

[Teutone]

Maybe wikipedia helps:

CIA operation to arm terrorists in Syria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

Cia operartion to arm terrorists in Afghanistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

NAto operation to arm terrorists in Lybia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

[Marmara]

America harbors Fethullah Gülen, a very dangerous person and one of the most wanted people in Turkey. I wonder why.

[Dragoon]

Stop posting bull crap photoshops and go get educated.

He is right. The US has a history of funding and aiding terrorist groups and doing color revolutions.

Operation Timber Sycamore
Operation Cyclone

the US helped the Taliban, Al Queda, Mujaheed, Sadam Hussein, etc.
You create a problem, then try to solve it. Its profitable, and you dont lose your own soldiers as much.

Just think about it the US is the richest nation. In the past they helped Chang Kai Chek, and Commies at similar times.
They helped Hitler (1931-41) and the Soviets (Jacob Schiff, later Land Lease) at roughly the same times.

War and chaos is profit. Allows you to get the dominate hand.

*edit* only now realized some of those were named

[Dragoon]

This is not Fake crap, name a source/ news outlets you trust and then I can provide further evidence.

Many Americans get really butthurt when you slap them in the face with things they are uncomfortable with.
It doesnt change the fact that the US funded dictators, terrorists, commies, etc.
Then Americans claim they are educated but cant point out countries on the world map.
Europeans are in general smarter regardless of some Cultural Marxist brain washing in some of the US "top schools".

[Larali]

This is conspiracy theory nonsense.. if anything happened, it's possible that the US was aiding our allies, or protecting humanitarian causes.

US isn't the bad guy, but politics comes into play at times. I can't claim to understand the complexities of it, but it's a little irritating that these memes get passed around. People making up fake crap to make US looks like big bullies, yet, whenever any country needs help, guess where they come begging?

[Dragoon]

This is conspiracy theory nonsense.. if anything happened, it's possible that the US was aiding our allies, or protecting humanitarian causes.

US isn't the bad guy, but politics comes into play at times. I can't claim to understand the complexities of it, but it's a little irritating that these memes get passed around. People making up fake crap to make US looks like big bullies, yet, whenever any country needs help, guess where they come begging?

"Everything we dont like is a conspiracy theory"

Kinda like MKUltra never happened right? It tinfoil hat stuff?


The United States has at various times in recent history provided support to terrorist and paramilitary organizations around the world. It has also provided assistance to numerous authoritarian regimes that have used state terrorism as a tool of repression.[1][2]

United States support for non-state terrorists has been prominent in Latin America, the Middle-East, and Southern Africa.[1] From 1981 to 1991, the United States provided weapons, training, and extensive financial and logistical support to the Contra rebels in Nicaragua, who used terror tactics in their fight against the Nicaraguan government.[3] At various points the United States also provided training, arms, and funds to terrorists among the Cuban exiles, such as Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

Learn some real history, not the Hollywood and JYTimes crap.

[de Burgh II]

Thats the thing about war; its an ever-evolving art that is always adapting to new societal conditions and in turn; turns into a corrupt economic model for elites/politicians. Ugly truths, as with many other things in life; is very cognitively dissonant to face, but is a necessary evil we must accept for what it is in order to learn from past mistakes. The American Miltary Industrial Complex is essentially its own self-sustaining entity that is quite distant from the Central Banking system that governs American society; no different than Wall-Street and Hollywood whom are self-sustaining entities distinct from the Central Banking system that has enough power and influence to govern themselves however they like. No different than corrupt politicians/elites in that regard. Essentially comparable to Medieval serfdom with a globalized, modern-day bureaucratic twist to it. Corruption is all around us no matter where you live; it merely depends on the values of the person themselves to which "reality" they want to live by.

[Kaspias]

YPG.. :)

[Kamal900]

Yes, they still do. Don't believe what Trump says.

[AvalonDelAcqs]

This is conspiracy theory nonsense.. if anything happened, it's possible that the US was aiding our allies, or protecting humanitarian causes.

US isn't the bad guy, but politics comes into play at times. I can't claim to understand the complexities of it, but it's a little irritating that these memes get passed around. People making up fake crap to make US looks like big bullies, yet, whenever any country needs help, guess where they come begging?

What ? I could talk about guantamano (spelling ?) bay and other stuff but I don't feel like typing a lot right now . I will stick with the big stuff. Certain Wall street New York Jews funded the Bolshevik revolution and certain gentile American economic titans supported the Nazis or Hitler. Hitler and/or the Nazis got a lot of their ideas American pseudo-scientific racial theories and now defunct American eugenics practices. As for the Titans e,g. Ford, Rockefeller , IBM etc... :


IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Adolf Hitler during the 1930s and the years of World War II. In the book, published in 2001, Black outlined the way in which IBM's technology helped facilitate Nazi genocide through generation and tabulation of punch cards based upon national census data

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust


Yeah, Germany got a raw deal at the Versailles treaty but without the spectre of Bolshevism, financed by Americans from Wallstreet, then the Nazis and Hitler as dictator probably never would have come into existence. Also, America Britain in WWII but America entered WWII LATE .... Britain fought the Nazis longer. Also, if America never became independent from Britain, in the first place, it seems very unlikely that WWII would have even happened at all and even if it did -- you don't think an America as a British colony could have defeated the Axis ? Of course it would have. I don't understand the point of the country of America outside of the British commonwealth. It does not make any logical sense to me.

[rein]

Yes, they still do. Don't believe what Trump says.

Only believe the shadow government.

[Kamal900]

Only believe the shadow government.

The ZOG government, yeah.

[StonyArabia]

It's no secret that America has been aiding terrorism for their geopolitical goals, in fact they even support Iranian backed terrorist group

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz5fZziMWEE

[1R0N M4N XL]

John McCain one of the most famous neocon warmongers and slave of the industrial military complex

https://i.redd.it/ad3n1wes1y2z.jpg

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Bin Laden and Taliban praised and armed as freedom warrior during cold war

https://i0.wp.com/media.salon.com/2015/11/osama-bin-laden-independent.jpg

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Al Quaida linked Al Nusra front now called Haiʾat Tahrir asch-Scham recieved several americans arms and support

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1426990/syria-nusra-us-weapons-tow.png?w=400&e=87c51e78cf504947d213929a32e57779

http://217.218.67.233//photo/20170819/93e39557-0d59-4c64-8656-346c073948b6.jpg

http://i2.wp.com/www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/eb03856f51bf01b293f3bc77d566d6d4_XL.jpg

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New Libyan ISIS Leader was one time Endorsed by John McCain


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AE-rwa-CoxM/maxresdefault.jpg


The list can go and on at almost every conflict involving terrorists

U.S dont create terrorist groups, it just supports a evil group to do its bidding. The enemy of my enemy is my friend''.
creating terrorist is totally different from supporting them to do your bidding against a common foe. however failed policy create mess/problems.



''Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had ties with Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda and its "Afghan Arab" fighters when it armed Mujahideen groups to fight the Soviet Union during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

In mid-1979, about the same time as the "Soviet deployment" into Afghanistan, the United States began giving several hundred million dollars a year in aid to the Afghan Mujahideen insurgents fighting the Afghan Marxist government and the Soviet Army in Operation Cyclone. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as "Afghan Arabs". The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama bin Laden, known at the time as a wealthy and pious Saudi who provided his own money and helped raise millions from other wealthy Gulf Arabs.

As the war neared its end, bin Laden organized the al-Qaeda organization to carry on armed jihad in other venues, primarily against the United States — the country that had helped fund the mujahideen against the Soviets''.

'' 11 AUGUST 1988 Al-Qaeda is formed at a meeting attended by Bin Laden, Zawahiri and Dr Fadl in Peshawar, Pakistan. The creation of the group brings together extraordinary Saudi wealth, the expertise of a lifetime Egyptian militant, and a philosophical foundation for jihad from a Cairo intellectual''..