DNA results 23andme and Gedmatch

[StevenJac]

FYI I posted the same thread on Eupedia forums
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Anyone able to help interpret this? My sub-clade also seems to be rare for Poland.

I'd send links to make this easier for me, but it looks like I need at least 10 posts for that...

ANE 16.85 Pct
ASE 0.95 Pct
WHG-UHG 66.65 Pct
East_Eurasian 1.06 Pct
West_African 0.55 Pct
East_African 0.62 Pct
ENF 13.33 Pct



Population
Anatolian Farmer 8.38 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 62.97 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.60 Pct
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.30 Pct
Mediterranean Farmer 27.75 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.01
2 North_Atlantic 31.98
3 West_Med 13.44
4 East_Med 7.57
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 Oceanian 0.29
8 Siberian 0.24
9 South_Asian 0.19
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Northeast_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.5
2 Ukrainian 5.68
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.24
4 Polish 6.46
5 Croatian 7.65
6 Hungarian 9.4
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.67
8 Estonian_Polish 9.69
9 East_German 9.73
10 Southwest_Russian 9.77
11 Belorussian 9.99
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.66
13 Southwest_Finnish 11.18
14 Moldavian 11.42
15 Austrian 11.65
16 Estonian 12.54
17 Finnish 13.58
18 Kargopol_Russian 13.67
19 Lithuanian 14.14
20 North_Swedish 14.38

[de Burgh II]

From your results; your autosomal dna looks quite Eastern European; e.g. Polish, etc.

[Peterski]

He has high East Med for a Pole, probably due to Vlach admixture (which Gorals have):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs

This also explains why Croatian and Moldavian are relatively high in Single Sharing.

[rein]

Results fit an Eastern European population.

[Peterski]

Post your Eurogenes K36 too.


Results fit an Eastern European population.

Gorals = Polish Highlanders:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3U0_5Id5wM

[Peterski]

Subdivisions of Carpathian Mountains, I wonder from which part your ancestry is Steven?:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Divisions_of_the_Carpathians.png/1200px-Divisions_of_the_Carpathians.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Divisions_of_the_Carpathians.png/1200px-Divisions_of_the_Carpathians.png

Jac is indeed a typical Goral surname. Is all of your ancestry from Highlander groups?

[StevenJac]

K36 are as follows:


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 5.33 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.11 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.73 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 21.07 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 14.40 Pct
Fennoscandian 8.60 Pct
French 4.68 Pct
Iberian 2.97 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.39 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 8.37 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 6.95 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.84 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.55 Pct

-Is Z92 supposedly more East Slavic and Baltic than Polish? (My dad always kind of gave off a Ukrainian vibe to me)
-Is 66% WHG considered high?
-What's up with the "North Atlantic" stuff. Is that normal in general or is it actually suggesting I'm somewhat NW Euro for a Pole? :S

[rein]

Post your Eurogenes K36 too.



Gorals = Polish Highlanders:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3U0_5Id5wM
Lovely sheep.

[Peterski]

North Atlantic is within the norm but your East Med is above average.

We have Ukrainian-speaking Gorals in South-Eastern Poland as well.

Maybe you have ancestry from Polish Gorals and Ukrainian Gorals?

Or is it all from Polish-speaking Gorals?

[StevenJac]

FYI the Jac is short for Jachymiak. My family is all from Ludzmierz and Nowy Targ (somewhere around A2-i3 on the map if my geography isn't off *I'm guessing since my mom talks about Poprad sometimes), and there's so many Jachymiaks there and in the US, that I can hardly even tell who is a family member from a rudimentary surname search online.

Edit: All from Polish speaking Gorals, but I've made jokes that my dad looks like some cross between Lukashenko and a blond Assad.

K36 shows East Balkan and...Italian?

I'm also somewhat confused about the regional ties. So I am somewhat Vlach reminiscent? Interesting. Wasn't sure how much of this was true or not. My grandfather on my mother's side looked especially Med. and Dinarid for a Pole.

[Peterski]

K36 are as follows

You have high Italian (which should actually be called Central Med, Greeks also have a lot of it).

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BTW, this is 50% Goral (Podhale, Ząb village (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C4%85b,_Lesser_Poland_Voivodeship)) + 25% Dobczyce + 25% Sambor (now Ukraine):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 38.66
2 North_Atlantic 32.56
3 West_Med 13.16
4 East_Med 5.87
5 West_Asian 5.86
6 Siberian 1.66
7 Oceanian 1.39
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 Sub-Saharan 0.23
10 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.44
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.99
3 Ukrainian 6.42
4 Croatian 6.86
5 Polish 7.49
6 Hungarian 7.66
7 East_German 7.73
8 Austrian 9.59
9 Moldavian 10.19
10 Southwest_Russian 10.68
11 Russian_Smolensk 10.75
12 Southwest_Finnish 10.81
13 Estonian_Polish 11.23
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.26
15 Belorussian 11.48
16 North_Swedish 12.83
17 Estonian 13.42
18 Finnish 13.59
19 Kargopol_Russian 13.9
20 Serbian 14.71

And K36 of this 50% Goral person (+ 25% Dobczyce + 25% Sambor):

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.66
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.81
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.15
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 19.04
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 11.79
Fennoscandian 14.73
French 4.39
Iberian 10.73
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 5.35
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.02
North_Caucasian 0.98
North_Sea 12.14
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.19
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.85
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.17

[StevenJac]

Lovely sheep.

The sheep are our pride and joy ;D

[Peterski]

So I am somewhat Vlach reminiscent?

Of course not anywhere close to 100% Vlach, but I think there is some Vlach influence.

High East Med in K13 and high Italian in K36 indicate that you are Southeast-shifted.


K36 shows East Balkan and...Italian?

This "Italian" is actually more like Italo-Greek (Greeks also score a lot of it).

Yeah you have higher than average Italian, might be due to Vlach admixture.

[Peterski]

Post also Eurogenes K15.

[StevenJac]

If I could somehow get DNA from some other family members or my gramps, it might show even more. Parents divorced early on so I'm not even sure if my dad is entirely Goral or not. If not for him I might be a wog through and through.

Any answer on the 66% WHG? I hear that's high even for a Balt. Am I at the same time some prime example of proto-Balto-Slavic or am I dreaming?

[Peterski]

Have you tried DNA Land?:

https://dna.land

Some South-East Poles score a lot of Balkan in this.

The highest % I saw were 30% and 40% Balkan.

[StevenJac]

K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.26
2 North_Sea 24.98
3 Eastern_Euro 16.86
4 Atlantic 15.38
5 West_Med 8.63
6 East_Med 3.2
7 West_Asian 2.71
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 Sub-Saharan 0.1
10 Oceanian 0.07
11 Northeast_African 0.04
12 Red_Sea 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 3.36
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 3.87
3 South_Polish 4.29
4 Polish 5.72
5 Estonian 8.54
6 Croatian 8.63
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.65
8 Hungarian 8.72
9 Belorussian 9.14
10 Southwest_Russian 9.24
11 Estonian_Polish 9.55
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.58
13 Moldavian 10.48
14 Finnish 10.66
15 East_German 10.68
16 Southwest_Finnish 11.05
17 Lithuanian 11.45
18 Austrian 12.33
19 East_Finnish 12.6
20 Kargopol_Russian 12.9

Less distance from Ukraine than South Poland?

[Aren]

He has high East Med for a Pole, probably due to Vlach admixture (which Gorals have):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs

This also explains why Croatian and Moldavian are relatively high in Single Sharing.

But he scores significantly less West Asian, and more North Atlantic than the South Polish average. And only 1% more East Med. I would say he's more SW Euro shifted.

[Carpatz]

Interesting. Greetings from a Carpathian "Vlach". I got some circles filled out for Poland and Slovakia in the new 23andme 151 populations feature, so now I wonder if It's linked to Gorals somehow.

[Peterski]

But he scores significantly less West Asian, and more North Atlantic than the South Polish average. And only 1% more East Med. I would say he's more SW Euro shifted.

What was used as South Polish references in K13? Maybe Lublin samples? I think Steven's North Atlantic is within the norm for Poland with the exception of North-East and South-East.

Here is for example K13 North Atlantic for my family:

Me - 32.02
Mom - 32.24
Dad - 33.02
Grandma - 32.24


Any answer on the 66% WHG? I hear that's high even for a Balt. Am I at the same time some prime example of proto-Balto-Slavic or am I dreaming?

Maybe it is just that particular calculator which overestimates WHG admixture.

I will compare your results to some Polish samples that I have from various regions.

But tomorrow because it is late here.

[StevenJac]

Interesting. Greetings from a Carpathian "Vlach". I got some circles filled out for Poland and Slovakia in the new 23andme 151 populations feature, so now I wonder if It's linked to Gorals somehow.

It likely is. If anything our culture is highly influenced by "Vlachs".

[Aren]

What was used as South Polish references in K13? Maybe Lublin samples? I think Steven's North Atlantic is within the norm for Poland with the exception of North-East and South-East, where it is lower.

Here is for example K13 North Atlantic for my family:

Me - 32.02
Mom - 32.24
Dad - 33.02
Grandma - 32.24

The truth is we are overanalyzing his results. He looks very much within the norm for southern Poland.

[StevenJac]

What was used as South Polish references in K13? Maybe Lublin samples? I think Steven's North Atlantic is within the norm for Poland with the exception of North-East and South-East.

Here is for example K13 North Atlantic for my family:

Me - 32.02
Mom - 32.24
Dad - 33.02
Grandma - 32.24

Not to start any flames or character arguments, but I've lurked around these "genetics" sites a bit (I've actually been banned on here once before for saying something jokingly about Protestants, of all things) and have seen some negative things about Davidski (Polako). Not that it affects my results personally, but I've read that he has some kinds of agendas, especially regarding Scythians as ancestors of Slavs.

[Peterski]

I think DNA.Land will reveal whether he has some Vlach or not.

All Poles score some Balkan in DNA.Land - with the exception of extreme North of Poland (Kashubians score 0% Balkan based on what I saw), but only Vlach-influenced Poles score a lot.

The highest I saw was 30% and 40%, but from Subcarpathia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podkarpackie_Voivodeship

[StevenJac]

The truth is we are overanalyzing his results. He looks very much within the norm for southern Poland.

But why won't anyone answer my WHG question? ;c

Or is that in the norm too?

[StevenJac]

I think DNA.Land will reveal whether he has some Vlach or not.

All Poles score some Balkan in DNA.Land - with the exception of extreme North of Poland (Kashubians score 0% Balkan based on what I saw), but only Vlach-influenced Poles score a lot.

The highest I saw was 30% and 40%, but from Subcarpathia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podkarpackie_Voivodeship

I've just registered there so I'll post results when they come.

[Peterski]

It likely is. If anything our culture is highly influenced by "Vlachs".

Yeah, Vlach influences are obvious in Goral culture and dialects.

But nobody knows how strong was actually their genetic influence.

Cultural influence =/= genetic influence, at least not always.

[StevenJac]

Meanwhile, anyone want to play the phenotype guessing game?

https://imgur.com/a/ToxSStz
https://imgur.com/a/TvJyL85
https://imgur.com/a/fjNscek

Mediocre quality, but there nonetheless. I think I look a bit like Conan era Arnold in the last pic if I say so myself.

[Aren]

But why won't anyone answer my WHG question? ;c

Or is that in the norm too?

ANE K7 is quite outdated. No European comes remotely close to actually being 66% WHG. It's more likely non-Basal origin, and no yours isn't out of the norm.

[StevenJac]

Yeah, Vlach influences are obvious in Goral culture and dialects.

But nobody knows how strong was actually their genetic influence.

Cultural influence =/= genetic influence, at least not always.

I just wonder what the uber farming master race Poles thought when settling the mountains anyway. I mean, lovely place, but wasn't there a famine here during the WW2 period? It would almost make sense if they were predominantly Vlachs that settled there in migration and other influence actually came later to bolster the established pastoral regime, but as you said, it's hard to tell for sure genetically.

[Peterski]

If all your recent ancestry is from Nowy Targ / Ludzmierz area then I think you are eligible to join this Project for free:

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/regional_dna_project_poland.shtml

I actually designed that map of regions for them and as you can see I added Polish Mountains as a region of its own.

[StevenJac]

I'm not sure of all of the relative questions for that off the top of my head. Is mother and father info not enough? It keeps saying "Location not set for mother".

[Peterski]

I'm not sure of all of the relative questions for that off the top of my head. Is mother and father info not enough? It keeps saying "Location not set for mother".

I think info about 4 grandparents is needed, but if you don't remember then just leave it blank and you can send them later via e-mail.

[StevenJac]

Well, as far as DNA Land goes:

West Eurasian 100% North Slavic 56%
Northwest European 41%
Ashkenazi 1.9%
Southwestern European 1.6%

No Balkan shows at all.

Although it shows more Ashkenazi than any other result has (My 23andme said 0.1%), so I feel like I'm being circlejerked now.

[Carpatz]

Well, as far as DNA Land goes:

West Eurasian 100% North Slavic 56%
Northwest European 41%
Ashkenazi 1.9%
Southwestern European 1.6%

No Balkan shows at all.

Although it shows more Ashkenazi than any other result has (My 23andme said 0.1%), so I feel like I'm being circlejerked now.

Dna.land is shit. They gave me fucking 14% ashkenazi lol. I got 0.00% on 23andme and everywhere else.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/462871120383574029/unknown.png

[Leto]

Post your full 23andme ancestry composition please.

[Peterski]

Well, as far as DNA Land goes:

West Eurasian 100% North Slavic 56%
Northwest European 41%
Ashkenazi 1.9%
Southwestern European 1.6%

No Balkan shows at all.

Although it shows more Ashkenazi than any other result has (My 23andme said 0.1%), so I feel like I'm being circlejerked now.

Maybe it is not actual Jewish, but at least you know you have some Southern admixture. You also do have higher than average Northwest Euro in this test (your NW Euro is typical for Western Poles).

My family's DNA.Land: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246626-DNA-Land-regional-averages

I have 23andMe and DNA.Land results of two Polish Masovian guys from another forum.

For example one Masovian scored as much as 1.5% Ashkenazi in 23andMe:

100% European
74.7% Eastern European
10.8% NorthWestern European
6.8% Southern European
1.5% Ashkenazi Jewish
6.2% Broadly European

But in DNA.Land he got 0% Jewish, all of it was replaced by "Med Islander":

West Eurasian 100%
North Slavic 77%
South-Western European 11%
Mediterranean Islander 8.9%
NorthWest European 2.7%

The problem with Jews is as Davidski described below, they are a mixed population descended from MENA, South Euro and Central/East Euro populations; so when you create an algorithm with Ashkenazi admix you might end up assigning a lot of Ashkenazi to people who probably don't really have it (like Iron Pill):

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/09/eurogenes-ashkenazim-ancestry-test-files.html

"I recently learned that the new Ancestry Painting at 23andMe will include an Ashkenazi reference group. To be honest, I’m not sure there’s much value in using a genetically bottlenecked population of varied biogeographical origins as a reference in such things. Indeed, the Ashkenazi mainly descend from a few hundred founders, but carry Central European, Eastern European, Middle Eastern, African and probably many other admixtures, as evidenced by their genome-wide and uniparental markers.

That’s quite a problem, because due to their relative inbreeding, they produce strong ancestral clusters in many analyses, like in ADMIXTURE runs. However, these clusters are made up of allele frequencies from a wide range of sources and, paradoxically, it’s the relatively more outbred populations which contributed to the Ashkenazi gene pool at its formative stages that often end up showing Ashkenazi admixture in such tests, despite not having any. I've seen this happen regularly in my experiments with ADMIXTURE and STRUCTURE, and I'm pretty sure I could find an example in a peer reviewed study if I tried.

That’s just how things work with the algorithms we have available to run these sorts of tests."

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Iron Pill is probably getting Ashkenazi because Jews have ancient Balkan/Greek admixture:

https://www.theopavlidis.com/MidEast/part10.htm

With IronPill it is possible that part of his Vlach ancestry is being reported as Ashkenazi.

[StevenJac]

As asked, here's the 23andme


SJ
Stevie Jachymiak
100%

European
100%
Eastern European
92.7%
Poland
Balkan
2.3%
British & Irish
0.3%
Ashkenazi Jewish
0.1%
Broadly Southern European
1.3%
Broadly Northwestern European
0.4%
Broadly European
2.9%

[StevenJac]

As said though, Mr. Lukashenko dad is probably what stole the Balkan from my bloodline ;)

Oh, and I was also drunk last night, so I have corrected my profile to say z92 instead of z93.

[Peterski]

Here is what you get based on your Eurogenes K36 results:

Your 5 closest single populations:

SK_Slovakia* - distance 6.748941
UA_Zakarpattia - distance 7.193073
PL_Malopolskie - distance 7.542155
UA_Ternopil - distance 7.639103
PL_Upper-Silesia - distance 7.756713

Some admixture from the south-east (Zakarpattia) is visible.

*Slovakia are mostly East Slovaks.

https://i.imgur.com/IUn4XBS.png

[Carpatz]

Here is what you get based on your Eurogenes K36 results:

Your 5 closest single populations:

SK_Slovakia* - distance 6.748941
UA_Zakarpattia - distance 7.193073
PL_Malopolskie - distance 7.542155
UA_Ternopil - distance 7.639103
PL_Upper-Silesia - distance 7.756713

Some admixture from the south-east (Zakarpattia) is visible.

*Slovakia are mostly East Slovaks.

Will you calculate my k36 too if I pm it to you?

[Peterski]

Okay.


I just wonder what the uber farming master race Poles thought when settling the mountains anyway. (...) It would almost make sense if they were predominantly Vlachs that settled there in migration and other influence actually came later to bolster the established pastoral regime, but as you said, it's hard to tell for sure genetically.

Possibly Vlachs assimilated lots of Ruthenians/Rusyns on their way there.

I guess by the time they reached Podhale they were like 4/5 Ruthenian + 1/5 Original Vlach genetically (even though culturally strongly Vlach), and there they mixed with Polish, German, etc. settlers.

I guess it was a "snowball" type of migration, if you know what I mean.


As said though, Mr. Lukashenko dad is probably what stole the Balkan from my bloodline ;)

Oh, and I was also drunk last night, so I have corrected my profile to say z92 instead of z93.

Z92 is as you said more Baltic than Slavic, but also not so rare among Slavs.

BTW, 23andMe results of a Polish guy from Podkarpackie Voivodeship (Lesko):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?243050-South-East-Polish-23andMe-(Lesko)&p=5111329&viewfull=1#post5111329

European
100.0%
Eastern European
82.8%
Southern European
10.2%
Balkan
9.3%
Broadly Southern European
0.9%
Northwestern European
3.3%
French & German
0.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
2.7%
Broadly European
3.7%
East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%
Broadly East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%
Unassigned
< 0.1%

There is more of Balkan admix in his results, but you also have some Balkan.

[Leto]

Try Dodecad K12b, I wonder what you'd get on it.

[Not a Cop]

As asked, here's the 23andme


SJ
Stevie Jachymiak
100%

European
100%
Eastern European
92.7%
Poland
Balkan
2.3%
British & Irish
0.3%
Ashkenazi Jewish
0.1%
Broadly Southern European
1.3%
Broadly Northwestern European
0.4%
Broadly European
2.9%

You score very little Balkan for a Carphatian, West-Ukrainians score about 10-20% of it due to Vlach influence i guess.


If I could somehow get DNA from some other family members or my gramps, it might show even more. Parents divorced early on so I'm not even sure if my dad is entirely Goral or not. If not for him I might be a wog through and through.

Any answer on the 66% WHG? I hear that's high even for a Balt. Am I at the same time some prime example of proto-Balto-Slavic or am I dreaming?

In K7 it's WHG-UHG, and not what now understands as WHG. Yours result is average for a North Slav, all my family members score 63-67%.

[Peterski]

You score very little Balkan for a Carphatian, West-Ukrainians score about 10-20%

He is Western Carpathian, probably that's why.

This South-East Polish guy scores 10% Balkan:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?243050-South-East-Polish-23andMe-(Lesko)&p=5111329&viewfull=1#post5111329

[StevenJac]

He is Western Carpathian, probably that's why.

This South-East Polish guy scores 10% Balkan:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?243050-South-East-Polish-23andMe-(Lesko)&p=5111329&viewfull=1#post5111329

Western counts as Silesian. I'd doubt that Podhale would score any less than Podkarpackie, especially given the various minorities like Jews in the latter. I mean Sebastian Karpiel Bulecka was born in Zakopane, and he doesn't quite have the typical Slavic look. My grandfather too wouldn't pass from from even Greece. I just think I'm an outlier, again, mainly because I'm not quite too sure of my dad (and the z92 that is more typically Belarussian, Ukrainian, or Lithuanian than Polish), and the female side doesn't typically affect the scores as much as the male AFAIK.

[StevenJac]

K12b

Population
Gedrosia 2.36 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 29.12 Pct
North_European 55.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus 12.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Peterski]

I've read that he has some kinds of agendas, especially regarding Scythians as ancestors of Slavs.

I wonder which part of Ukraine is "Ukrainian" sample in Eurogenes K15 from?

Eurogenes K15 has in total 3 Ukrainian samples (averages) - one from Belgorod, one from Lviv and one which is labeled just "Ukrainian" without any specific info about its regional origin. What I find strange is that this "Ukrainian" sample is actually the most genetically "western" of the three - even more "western" than the Ukrainian_Lviv sample - which is surprising. You can see this in the K15 Spreadsheet on GEDmatch (compare percentages of North_Sea, Atlantic, West_Med etc. admixtures for Ukrainian_Lviv, Ukrainian_Belgorod and Ukrainian samples - unsurprisingly Belgorod average is the most Eastern genetically).

From Eurogenes K15 Spreadsheet:

Ukrainian Belgorod - 17.90 North Sea, 15.05 Atlantic, 3.76 West Med

Ukrainian Lviv - 22.18 North Sea, 13.92 Atlantic, 7.54 West Med

Ukrainian - 22.35 North Sea, 14.20 Atlantic, 7.81 West Med

^^^
What kind of Ukrainians can be more genetically "western" than Ukrainians from Lviv?

[StevenJac]

What kind of Ukrainians can be more genetically "western" than Ukrainians from Lviv?

I think this is one of those places where DNA research is still a bit silly and lacking so we get things that aren't well clarified.

[KuriousKatKommittee]

1 Baltic 41.01
2 North_Atlantic 31.98
3 West_Med 13.44
4 East_Med 7.57
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 Oceanian 0.29
8 Siberian 0.24
9 South_Asian 0.19
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Northeast_African 0.14

Interesting.
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