Robert Pires MyHeritage results

[Peterski]

Compare to Lothar Matthäus: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?250402-Lothar-Matth%E4us-MyHeritage-results

https://footballdna.myheritage.com/

https://footballdna.myheritage.com/robert-pires/

https://i.imgur.com/BrQVQ2d.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmtRy57_-do

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I look at MyHeritage autosomals with some scepticism to be honest. Robert Pirès is 100% Iberian (Portuguese father, Spanish mother) and he got 40% Italian. No Iberian is realistically moulded as 40% Italian, at the best ~10% and that's already high.

[Peterski]

If they count Sardinian as part of their Italian cluster then it is possible.

Because there is a lot of Sardinian-like DNA in Iberia.

Which part of Spain is his mother's ancestry from?

[Papastratosels26]

Nice results.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

If they count Sardinian as part of their Italian cluster then it is possible.

Because there is a lot of Sardinian-like DNA in Iberia.

Which part of Spain is his mother's ancestry from?

Sardinian? Even worse...

Sardinians are genetically homogeneous isolate, like Basques. On 23andMe you rarely see Iberians scoring even 1% Sardinian.

I don't know from which part of Spain his mother is from but I can tell you that there's no Iberian region that realistically scores that much Italian.

[Peterski]

Sardinians are genetically homogeneous isolate

Only because the rest of Europe has been overran by Indo-Europeans.

5000 years ago most of Western Europe was inhabited by "Sardinians".

They are not isolate, they are remnants of a much a bigger population.


On 23andMe you rarely see Iberians scoring even 1% Sardinian.

That's because 23andMe is about recent ancestry (from the last 200-500 years IIRC).

They also tend to underestimate minor admixtures and overestimate main ancestry.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Only because the rest of Europe has been overran by Indo-Europeans.

5000 years ago most of Western Europe was inhabited by "Sardinians".

They are not isolate, they are remnants of a much a bigger population.



That's because 23andMe is about recent ancestry (from the last 200-500 years IIRC).

They also tend to underestimate minor admixtures and overestimate main ancestry.

In my understanding they are definitely an isolate group while still being part of the European gene pool but nonetheless outliers in the European genetic landscape. Check the link on my signature (Portuguese K36 Similarity Tool Results). Portuguese are closer to the Baltic States and Russia rather than Sardinia despite the proximity.

[Peterski]

In my understanding they are definitely an isolate group while still being part of the European gene pool but nonetheless outliers in the European genetic landscape. Check the link on my signature (Portuguese K36 Similarity Tool Results). Portuguese are closer to the Baltic States and Russia rather than Sardinia despite the proximity.

But they are outliers because of what happened in the rest of Europe during the last 5000 years.

Neolithic populations of Iberia, France, Britian, Ireland were very similar to modern Sardinians.


Check the link on my signature (Portuguese K36 Similarity Tool Results). Portuguese are closer to the Baltic States and Russia rather than Sardinia despite the proximity.

But "West Med" admixture is strongly associated with Sardinians, and Portuguese have some.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

But they are outliers because of what happened in the rest of Europe during the last 5000 years.

Neolithic populations of Iberia, France, Britian, Ireland were very similar to modern Sardinians.

I know but then the autosomal components in MyHeritage are misleading if they go that far back in time. If you read Italian, people will associate it with modern Italy not with neolithic populations, lol.

[Peterski]

Irish Neolithic sample was most similar to modern Sardinians, and also similar to Iberians:

http://linearpopulationmodel.blogspot.com/2016/01/irish-ancient-dna-from-rathlin-island.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QTTKmZFyLZk/VotKL3mFgAI/AAAAAAAAB88/5ZC9bJ3Am1Q/s1600/Bally.PNG


I know but then the autosomal components in MyHeritage are misleading if they go that far back in time. If you read Italian, people will associate it with modern Italy not with neolithic populations, lol.

Well, it really depends on what you want to know - your more ancient or less ancient ancestry.

You didn't need to buy a DNA test to know that your recent ancestry is 100% Portuguese. :p

[rein]

I look at MyHeritage autosomals with some scepticism to be honest. Robert Pirès is 100% Iberian (Portuguese father, Spanish mother) and he got 40% Italian. No Iberian is realistically moulded as 40% Italian, at the best ~10% and that's already high.

Look. He got 1.7% Nigerian and 4.2% Irish, lol.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

But "West Med" admixture is strongly associated with Sardinians, and Portuguese have some.

"West Med" component has as sample reference Sardinians on Eurogenes project, which you probably are familiar with. If that was the case then most Europeans would score Italian on MyHeritage. Poles on average score about 5%-6% I believe, most Iberians about 20%.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You didn't need to buy a DNA test to know that your recent ancestry is 100% Portuguese. :p

It is not that linear though, while me and my girlfriend are from the same region and both native Portuguese we still got a different range of components. She was nearly 90% Iberian whereas I was only 51% (probably around 65% if I add the broadly southern european remaining) and 10% Italian\18% Northwestern European (she got 2.5% Italian\2% Northwestern).

[Hyoga7]

Which part of Spain is his mother's ancestry from?

Mother is from Langreo, Asturias; Father from Ponte de Lima.

[Hyoga7]

I look at MyHeritage autosomals with some scepticism to be honest. Robert Pirès is 100% Iberian (Portuguese father, Spanish mother) and he got 40% Italian. No Iberian is realistically moulded as 40% Italian, at the best ~10% and that's already high.

Me too...
I've uploaded my Raw DNA file from FTDNA and from 23andme to My Heritage. While the ethnicity groups weren't different, the % in what concerns Scandinavian and English were inverse.

I obviously don't wanna state anything factual, but there was a rumour that MyHeritage underscored European DNA (showed more of non-European DNA that other companies) because it's from Israel: most likely a conspiracy theory...

[Lucas]

I had 41% Balkan LOL in MH. Completely biased, as on every Gedmatch calc I'm Belarussian like , north-east Ukrainian, western Russian or Estonian Pole.

Ok, to be honest I very like kebabs, lamb meat and yoghurt but if it is proof it was valid?:)

[Token]

In my understanding they are definitely an isolate group while still being part of the European gene pool but nonetheless outliers in the European genetic landscape. Check the link on my signature (Portuguese K36 Similarity Tool Results). Portuguese are closer to the Baltic States and Russia rather than Sardinia despite the proximity.

Blame (or thank) steppe cowboys. Before the Bronze Age, the entire Western and Central Europe was Sardinian like.

[Cristiano viejo]

If they count Sardinian as part of their Italian cluster then it is possible.

Because there is a lot of Sardinian-like DNA in Iberia.

Which part of Spain is his mother's ancestry from?

His mother is from Oviedo, Asturias.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Blame (or thank) steppe cowboys. Before the Bronze Age, the entire Western and Central Europe was Sardinian like.

I get what you and Peterski are saying but we are not in the Copper Age any more and therefore Sardinians are genetically isolated.