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Peterski
07-06-2018, 11:07 AM
Genetic continuity in Estonia since the Iron Age, no German admixture in modern Estonians:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/07/smbe-2018-abstracts.html

Demographic processes in Estonia from Bronze Age through Iron Age to Medieval times:

N3 and R1a are the two most common Y chromosome haplogroups among modern Estonians. R1a appears with Corded Ware culture but the arrival of hg N has not been determined. To this end we have extracted and studied aDNA from teeth of 18 individuals bracketing the changes in the material culture in the end of the Bronze and early Iron Age. We find N3 in Iron Age but not in Bronze Age. Due to the small sample size we cannot refute the existence of hg N in the latter. In genome-wide analyses the Bronze Age and especially Iron Age samples appear very similar to modern Estonians implying population continuity.

Christianization (13 cc AD) established a new elite of West European origin, which presumably had an impact on the genetic structure of the local population. To investigate this we extracted DNA from teeth of 35 individuals, who have been uncovered from both rural (considered local Estonian population) and town (likely of West European origin) cemeteries of Estonia.

We compared the low coverage genomes with each other and with relevant modern and ancient Estonian and other European populations. We find that there is a clear discontinuity between the elite and common people, where the former group genetically with modern German samples and the latter with modern Estonians. We do find three individuals of mixed genetic ancestry. But importantly we do not see a steady shift of either local population strata, which suggests limited contact between the elite and the common people.

Tong
07-06-2018, 11:11 AM
I doubt theres no germanic admixture in modern estonians

Peterski
07-06-2018, 11:12 AM
That's what the abstract says.

Crusaders and German settlers did not mix with Estonian commoners and vice versa.

In East Prussia both groups mixed and Old Prussians ended up Germanized. This is why East Prussian Germans are much more Eastern-shifted genetically than Baltic Germans from Estonia.

Jana
07-06-2018, 11:33 AM
I doubt theres no germanic admixture in modern estonians

There is Swedish admixture for sure, just not German.

Peterski
07-06-2018, 11:35 AM
There is Swedish admixture for sure

I don't think so, Swedes were barely present in Estonia.

Their population size was smaller than that of Germans.

There were 6,083 Swedes in Estonia in 1897 (or 0.6%):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia#Ethnic_groups

Jana
07-06-2018, 11:38 AM
I don't think so, Swedes were barely present in Estonia.

Their population size was smaller than that of Germans.

There were 6,083 Swedes in Estonia in 1897 (or 0.6%):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia#Ethnic_groups

Sorry, but I know Swede from another forum that have Estonian Swedish ancestors that did intermarry with local Estonians.

And I never said it was widespread.

Peterski
07-06-2018, 11:40 AM
Sorry, but I know Swedes from another forum that have Eastonian Swedish ancestors that did intermarry with local Estonians. And I never said it was widespread.

They intermarried with Estonians and later emigrated to Sweden.

So there is Estonian admixture in Sweden, not Swedish in Estonia.

Jana
07-06-2018, 11:41 AM
They intermarried with Estonians and later emigrated to Sweden.

So there is Estonian admixture in Sweden, not Swedish in Estonia.

I doubt all of them migrated , though.

Peterski
07-06-2018, 11:42 AM
I doubt all of them migrated , though.

There are no Swedes in Estonia according to 2018 data (back in 2011 there were 380):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia#Ethnic_groups

This 380 in 2011 probably already included 1/8 Swedes, 1/4 Swedes and 1/2 Swedes.

Jana
07-06-2018, 11:47 AM
There are no Swedes in Estonia according to 2018 data (back in 2011 there were 380):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia#Ethnic_groups

This 380 in 2011 probably already included 1/8 Swedes, 1/4 Swedes and 1/2 Swedes.

How do you know there is no Swedish genetics ? Census means little. You said yourself East Prussian Germans were genetically Baltic rather than Germanic. Yet they daclared as Germans.
Perhaps some Swedes in Estonia assimilated, although for sure in the past it was more Estonians that learned Swedish than vice versa.

Peterski
07-06-2018, 11:51 AM
East Prussian Germans mixed a lot with Old Prussians, Lithuanian and Polish settlers.

But Baltic Germans apparently mixed much less. Not a Cop also noticed this fact.

Not a Cop
07-06-2018, 12:29 PM
Any idea on publishing date? My german side comes mostly from Estonia.

Peterski
07-06-2018, 12:42 PM
A more interesting issue is why there was no N1c in Bronze Age Estonia.

And where did it come from. It was already there in the Early Iron Age.

Tong
07-06-2018, 07:51 PM
There are no Swedes in Estonia according to 2018 data (back in 2011 there were 380):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia#Ethnic_groups

This 380 in 2011 probably already included 1/8 Swedes, 1/4 Swedes and 1/2 Swedes.

or just didnt count