George Michael probably clustered with East-Central Italians

[Bobby Martnen]

His father was a Greek Cypriot, his mother a native Englishwoman. If you trace to a point halfway between England and Cyprus on the Eurogenes K15 plot, you get a point slightly to the east of the Marche average.

Marche is a region in East Central Italy.

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/40700000/George-Michael-1963-2016-celebrities-who-died-young-40717782-306-367.jpg

[Tauromachos]

And ?

Why shouldn't he cluster with Mainland Greeks then instead?

East Central Italians also cluster with Mainland Greeks

[Livin]

He dosnt look Cypriot!

[Tauromachos]

He dosnt look Cypriot!

He is only Cypriot from his fathers side

As the OP also explained

[Livin]

He is only Cypriot from his fathers side

As the OP also explained

I know!

His face was more on British side.

His eyes are very foreign think.

[Bobby Martnen]

And ?

Why shouldn't he cluster with Mainland Greeks then instead?

East Central Italians also cluster with Mainland Greeks

The halfway point between Cyprus and England on the K15 plot is closer to Italy than to Thessaly, which is the closest Italian region.

Mainland Greeks have admixture from Balkan Slavic people that Michael would not have.

[Tauromachos]

The halfway point between Cyprus and England on the K15 plot is closer to Italy than to Thessaly, which is the closest Italian region.

Mainland Greeks have admixture from Balkan Slavic people that Michael would not have.



The average Mainlander plots right next to the part of Italy where George Micheal plots or even more South
in the case of Southern Mainlanders.

[Bobby Martnen]

The average Mainlander plots right next to the part of Italy where George Micheal plots or even more South
in the case of Southern Mainlanders.

The Greek cline is East of the Italian cline

[rein]

Oh I thought this post would be about his illness.

[Bobby Martnen]

Oh I thought this post would be about his illness.

His illness?

[kleenex]

I think he and I would be similar genetically. East shifted Marche Italian?

[KingOf]

big deal
that's why clustering shouldn't be taken so literally
he has very foreign traits from his British mother and can't pass Greece/Cyprus
his father though (dispite his clustering) passes fine in Greece

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/05/08/0006A3C100000C1D-0-image-a-1_1483604389784.jpg

on the left here:
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9564583.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-George-Michael-and-Andrew-Ridgeley-of-British-pop-group-Wham.jpg

[kleenex]

big deal
that's why clustering shouldn't be taken so literally
he has very foreign traits from his British mother and can't pass Greece/Cyprus
his father though (dispite his clustering) passes fine in Greece

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/05/08/0006A3C100000C1D-0-image-a-1_1483604389784.jpg

on the left here:
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9564583.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-George-Michael-and-Andrew-Ridgeley-of-British-pop-group-Wham.jpg

He can pass in Greece. Most people in the 80's (particularly the US) thought he was full Greek including myself.

[KingOf]

He can pass in Greece. Most people in the 80's (particularly the US) thought he was full Greek including myself.

if you are talking about George Michael he can't...

[Bobby Martnen]

East shifted Marche Italian?

Exactly.

[kleenex]

if you are talking about George Michael he can't...

Why not? What makes you think he can't pass as a Greek?

[Bobby Martnen]

big deal
that's why clustering shouldn't be taken so literally
he has very foreign traits from his British mother and can't pass Greece/Cyprus
his father though (dispite his clustering) passes fine in Greece


George Michael can't pass as English, either.
He could probably pass as Balkan or Central Italian.

[KingOf]

Why not? What makes you think he can't pass as a Greek?

his British influence is very visible here (especially eyes like it was mentioned)
he looks totally New World mix
you will never find a Greek with this combination of features

https://static.spin.com/files/2017/10/GeorgeGetty-1509374181-1121x1000.jpg

[Bobby Martnen]

his British influence is very visible here (especially eyes like it was mentioned)
he looks totally New World mix
you will never find a Greek with this combination of features



What about his eyes is British? :confused:

[KingOf]

What about his eyes is British? :confused:

Ok you're right on this one they are not British they just look very foreign for Greece... mixed eyes i don't know :p

[Sikeliot]

I think he and I would be similar genetically. East shifted Marche Italian?

You have more of a "western" shift and not a NE European one, so it is likely he would be similar to you.

[Sp_loa]

He was 1/8 Jewish from his English side... probably would result a minor south shift.

[Astarte]

I know!

His face was more on British side.

His eyes are very foreign think.

That's what I call the "Weak Cypriot Seed" effect.

[Tauromachos]

That's what I call the "Weak Cypriot Seed" effect.

How well would this guy pass in Cyprus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUYI_Z6sjY

[Astarte]

How well would this guy pass in Cyprus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUYI_Z6sjY

Yup, he'd go unnoticed. I'm still struggling to understand the point behind the "how well they'd pass here and there" thing though.

[Astarte]

He was 1/8 Jewish from his English side... probably would result a minor south shift.

He once claimed his mom was Jewish but in fact, he had no Jewish ancestry whatsoever.

[Sp_loa]

He once claimed his mom was Jewish but in fact, he had no Jewish ancestry whatsoever.

IDK. According to English (and Hebrew) Wikipedia his maternal grandmother is Jewish.. so He is 25% Jewish and not 12.5% as I stated (I thought they said great-grandmother).

[Tauromachos]

Yup, he'd go unnoticed. I'm still struggling to understand the point behind the "how well they'd pass here and there" thing though.

90% of such questions are posed by our Italo American R1a friend and similar folks

So you should better adress them about this.

Anyway i posted this guy because even though he is Cretan i think he is a good example of a typical Cypriot look

[Astarte]

90% of such questions are posed by our Italo American R1a friend and similar folks

So you should better adress them about this.

Anyway i posted this guy because even though he is Cretan i think he is a good example of a typical Cypriot look

:1004:

[Tauromachos]

:1004:

Huh,what is this???

[Astarte]

IDK. According to English (and Hebrew) Wikipedia his maternal grandmother is Jewish.. so He is 25% Jewish and not 12.5% as I stated (I thought they said great-grandmother).


https://web.archive.org/web/20101029041649/http://blamegrandma.blogspot.com/2010/09/george-michael-north-london-jew.html