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Joe McCarthy
03-23-2011, 07:56 PM
http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute


The Oregon boundary dispute (often called the Oregon question) arose as a result of competing British and American claims to the Oregon Country, a region of northwestern North America known also from the British perspective as the Columbia District, a fur-trading division of the Hudson's Bay Company. The region at question lay west of the Continental Divide and between the 42nd Parallel of latitude on the south (the northward limit of New Spain and after 1821 of Mexico) and the 54 degrees, 40 minutes line of latitude (the southward limit of Russian America). Both the United Kingdom and the United States had territorial and commercial interests in the Oregon country as well as residual claims from treaties with Russia and Spain. By Article III of the Anglo-American Convention of 1818 the United Kingdom and the United States agreed to what has since been described as "joint occupancy", demurring on any resolution of the territorial and treaty issues until a later time. Negotiations over the next few decades failed to settle upon a compromise boundary and the Oregon Dispute became important in geopolitical diplomacy between the British Empire and the new American Republic. American economic activity in the region until the 1840s consisted of a Boston-owned fur trading post staffed by French Canadians at Fort Astoria near the mouth of the Columbia River, the Whitman Mission east of the Cascades, the Methodist Mission in the Willamette Valley, Fort William on present day Sauvie Island,[1] a saw mill in the valley partly owned by Ewing Young,[2] a grist mill also in the valley built in 1834,[3] the Willamette Cattle Company organized in 1837 to bring over 600 head of cattle to the Willamette Valley, as well as ongoing marine fur trade vessels. The British mandate was in the form of a licence held by the Hudson's Bay Company to trade with the populous aboriginal peoples of the region, and a network of trading posts and routes extended southward from New Caledonia, another HBC fur-trade district, into the Columbia basin. The HBC's headquarters for the entire region became established at Fort Vancouver (today's Vancouver, Washington), which became the centre of a thriving colony of mixed origin, including French Canadians, Hawaiians, Algonkians and Iroquois, as well as the offspring of company employees who had intermarried with various local native populations. Actual American settlers in the region were negligible until the arrival of the Whitman Party in 1843; the Dispute over the region is usually attributed to increasing numbers of American settlers moving into the country, which did not actually take place until the 1840s. In 1844 the U.S. Democratic Party, appealing to expansionist sentiment, asserted that the U.S. had a valid claim to the entire Oregon Country. Democratic presidential candidate James K. Polk won the 1844 election, but then sought a compromise boundary along the 49th parallel, the same boundary proposed by previous U.S. administrations. Negotiations between the U.S. and the British broke down, however, and tensions grew as American expansionists like U.S. Senator Edward Allen Hannegan of Indiana urged Polk to annex the entire Oregon Country up to latitude 54°40'N, as the Democrats had called for in the election. The turmoil gave rise to slogans like "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!", often mistakenly associated with the 1844 election, and the catchphrase "Manifest Destiny". The expansionist agenda of Polk and the Democratic Party created the possibility of two different, simultaneous wars, because relations between the United States and Mexico were deteriorating following the annexation of Texas. Just before the outbreak of the war with Mexico, Polk returned to his earlier position on the Oregon boundary and accepted a compromise along the 49th parallel. This agreement was made official in the 1846 Oregon Treaty, and the 49th parallel remains the boundary between the United States and Canada.

Bloodeagle
03-23-2011, 08:46 PM
U.S. Senator Edward Allen Hannegan of Indiana urged Polk to annex the entire Oregon Country up to latitude 54°40'N, as the Democrats had called for in the election.

Sorry Canadians, but I wish we (the U.S.A.), would have taken the entire area from the British. :D

Wyn
03-23-2011, 08:50 PM
Oregon, dear Oregon, jewel of England, Her Majesty's most beloved territory - how it pains us to see you in the hands of foreigners. What was once ours, shall be ours once again, we promise you, sweet, precious Oregon.

Irredento!

Bloodeagle
03-23-2011, 08:52 PM
Oregon, dear Oregon, jewel of England, Her Majesty's most beloved territory - what was once ours, shall be ours once again.

Irredento!

You guys don't need it, now that you are out of the wooden ship building industry.

For anyone who might be confused about who settled Oregon. Sing along with this little gem of a song.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/5_America%2C_the_Beautiful.png

Joe McCarthy
03-23-2011, 09:04 PM
The British mandate was in the form of a licence held by the Hudson's Bay Company to trade with the populous aboriginal peoples of the region, and a network of trading posts and routes extended southward from New Caledonia, another HBC fur-trade district, into the Columbia basin. The HBC's headquarters for the entire region became established at Fort Vancouver (today's Vancouver, Washington), which became the centre of a thriving colony of mixed origin, including French Canadians, Hawaiians, Algonkians and Iroquois, as well as the offspring of company employees who had intermarried with various local native populations.

My, my, what a multicultural mess that was. :eek:

Bloodeagle
03-23-2011, 09:14 PM
The British mandate was in the form of a licence held by the Hudson's Bay Company to trade with the populous aboriginal peoples of the region, and a network of trading posts and routes extended southward from New Caledonia, another HBC fur-trade district, into the Columbia basin. The HBC's headquarters for the entire region became established at Fort Vancouver (today's Vancouver, Washington), which became the centre of a thriving colony of mixed origin, including French Canadians, Hawaiians, Algonkians and Iroquois, as well as the offspring of company employees who had intermarried with various local native populations. :eek:

I was under the impression that The Russian-American Company, had by that time depleted much of the Northwest coast of fur bearing animals. I don't think that the HBC, made much of a profit from these treatise with Russia.

Loddfafner
03-24-2011, 12:22 AM
I take it there is still an unresolved maritime border between Alaska and British Columbia resulting from some ambiguity in the original Russian/British treaty that local politicians occasionally try to use to stir up nationalist sentiments.

Bloodeagle
03-24-2011, 12:42 AM
I take it there is still an unresolved maritime border between Alaska and British Columbia resulting from some ambiguity in the original Russian/British treaty that local politicians occasionally try to use to stir up nationalist sentiments.

None, that I am aware of since the 19th century. :) We are great friends with the Canadians and have many things in common with them.
We do however keep a keen eye on our neighbor to the west, Russia. ;)


One issue that did bring us to a fight since my time on this earth, was the so-called "Salmon War (http://www.admiraltylaw.com/fisheries/Papers/Pacific%20Salmon%20Treaty.pdf)" of the 1990s.

LouisFerdinand
01-08-2018, 12:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdUrKFiqNI4