Classify a Greek from Athens with a Venetian surname.

[Voskos]

Several Greeks carry Latin surnames.Here's an example, does he give off an Italian vibe?
https://www.bizznews.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dandolos-stefanos_8.jpg

[gıulıoımpa]

gives me a "Southern celtic" vibe. but overall is Pontic i think, even though nose shape is not easily identifiable by this pic.

[Voskos]

Of course if we assume he could be medieval Venetian descendant, he's probably autosomally fully Greek by now, after so many generations.

[Tauromachos]

gives me a "Southern celtic" vibe. but overall is Pontic i think, even though nose shape is not easily identifiable by this pic.

He would be able to pass as Italian i think..

Wouldn't he?

[gıulıoımpa]

He would be able to pass as Italian i think..

Wouldn't he?

yes and not exclusively south italian i think, very adaptable look

[Tauromachos]

yes and not exclusively south italian i think, very adaptable look

I think he could fairly well pass as Tuscan

What would you say?

[gıulıoımpa]

I think he could fairly well pass as Tuscan

What would you say?

hard to say, if i saw the nose by the profile i could answer better. Tuscans have usually very big mouth (i noticed) he does not seem to have it

[Kivan]

Pontid + Alpine.

[Percivalle]

I think he could fairly well pass as Tuscan

What would you say?

He looks Greek to my eyes but he can pass in Italy.



hard to say, if i saw the nose by the profile i could answer better. Tuscans have usually very big mouth (i noticed) he does not seem to have it


E poi ti lamenti delle cazzate degli altri.

[gıulıoımpa]

He looks Greek to my eyes.





E poi ti lamenti delle cazzate degli altri.

mica gli ho detto si.

Toscano= ampio spazio fra gli occhi, grande bocca, tendenze dinariche o atlantodinariche.

[Percivalle]

mica gli ho detto si.

Toscano= ampio spazio fra gli occhi, grande bocca, tendenze dinariche o atlantodinariche.

Si, vabbè. E poi ti lamenti dei luoghi comuni sul sud Italia.

[gıulıoımpa]

Si, vabbè. E poi ti lamenti dei luoghi comuni sul sud Italia.

haha ma mica sono la bibbia io, è ovvio che sono tendenze . poi io tra sud e nord sono neutrale ,scherzo su tutti e due perché da romano vero (perdipiu cresciuto all'estero) non ho nesun bias particolare per gli uni o per gli altri.
comunque; tizi come il tipo qua (che ho detto fosse prima di tutto Pontico) li trovi anche fino su in Emilia Romagna.

[arkas]

I think he could maybe pass as a local in Southern and maybe Central parts of Italy, he really fits the saying "una faccia una razza".

[Percivalle]

haha ma mica sono la bibbia io, è ovvio che sono tendenze . poi io tra sud e nord sono neutrale ,scherzo su tutti e due perché da romano vero (perdipiu cresciuto all'estero) non ho nesun bias particolare per gli uni o per gli altri.
comunque; tizi come il tipo qua (che ho detto fosse prima di tutto Pontico) li trovi anche fino su in Emilia Romagna.

Qui è nessuno è neutrale. Romani veri? Quanti saranno? Forse non superano il 5% della popolazione di Roma.

[Odin]

Pontic-Med + Alpine.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Something like alpine-dinaromed intermediate


I think he could maybe pass as a local in Southern and maybe Central parts of Italy, he really fits the saying "una faccia una razza".
Central Italy yes but not south Italy.

But when Italian soldiers in ww2 Greece invented the particular phrase, they mostly referred to common habits, culture mentality etc.with south Italy, not racial traits

[Vojnik]

You don't want to give his surname?

Could he have possible Vlach heritage?

[arkas]

Something like alpine-dinaromed intermediate


Central Italy yes but not south Italy.

But when Italian soldiers in ww2 Greece invented the particular phrase, they mostly referred to common habits, culture mentality etc.with south Italy, not racial traits

Actually, looking at the mans face now... you are right. Definitely only central Italy could he maybe pass, I think he fits best in Greece.

[CommonSense]

Pontid + Alpine.

[Tauromachos]

Something like alpine-dinaromed intermediate


Central Italy yes but not south Italy.

But when Italian soldiers in ww2 Greece invented the particular phrase, they mostly referred to common habits, culture mentality etc.with south Italy, not racial traits


No they referred to both racial traits and mentality way of life.

Hell i wonder what you guys think or how you imagine South Italians.

Southern Italians are not some kind of Niggaz or Mestizos .

Better visit South Italy or make contacts with South Italian people outside of this forum ,don't go by the threads Sikeliot posts.

The guy posted by the OP best fit is anywhere in the region from Tuscany till Rome , in my opinion.

But he is also passable as native further South

[brennus dux gallorum]

You don't want to give his surname?

Could he have possible Vlach heritage?

:picard2:

He is from Greece, not from fyrom. Greece shares history with Italy and rest of Europe, the way fyrom shares history with Albania and Bulgaria,and only Latin people you ever had contacts with were vlachs

There are Greek surnames in Italy and vice versa

[Vojnik]

:picard2:

He is from Greece, not from fyrom. Greece shares history with Italy and rest of Europe, the way fyrom shares history with Albania and Bulgaria,and only Latin people you ever had contacts with were vlachs

There are Greek surnames in Italy and vice versa

I know he is from Greece. Where Vlachs were once numerous. Now they are Ancient Greeks.

[Tauromachos]

:picard2:

He is from Greece, not from fyrom. Greece shares history with Italy and rest of Europe, the way fyrom shares history with Albania and Bulgaria,and only Latin people you ever had contacts with were vlachs

There are Greek surnames in Italy and vice versa

Plus many many Italian loan words in modern Greek language and vice versa and common shared words.

We say fourno for the oven,Italians say forno.

We say scuro for dark,Italians say use the same word.

For dark eyes,Greeks say Matia scura,Italians say"Occi"eyes" scuri".

Other common words Cassarola,Camineto and many more

[brennus dux gallorum]

I know he is from Greece. Where Vlachs were once numerous. Now they are Ancient Greeks.

Vlachs are limited to particular regions close to fyrom, hardly represent the 20% of Vlach percentage in fyrom, and the most important they don't have Italian surnames, genius

The fact that only Latins fyromians know or ever had contacts with are Vlachs, doesn't mean that this applies for a country with completely different history and society, like Greece

As for Vlachs origins, there are several theories,

the only sure is that Greek presence in Italy and vice versa (but only for the middle ages) is undeniable

[brennus dux gallorum]

Plus many many Italian loan words in modern Greek language and vice versa and common shared words.

We say fourno for the oven,Italians say forno.

We say scuro for dark,Italians say use the same word.

For dark eyes,Greeks say Matia scura,Italians say"Occi"eyes" scuri".

Other common words Cassarola,Camineto and many more

Not to mention that surname greko is not rare in South Italy

[Tauromachos]

I know he is from Greece. Where Vlachs were once numerous. Now they are Ancient Greeks.

I give you a hint,look at the thread's titly

It says Venetian surname.

So by your logic Venetians are Vlachs then or Vlachs are Venetians :lol:

[Papastratosels26]

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[Tauromachos]

Not to mention that surname greko is not rare in South Italy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Greco


Michele Greco (Ciaculli, 12 May 1924 – Rome, 13 February 2008) was a member of the Sicilian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicily) Mafia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Mafia), previously incarcerated for multiple murders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders). His nickname was "il Papa" (The Pope) because of his ability to mediate between different Mafia families.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Greco#cite_note-rep130208-1) Greco was the head of the Sicilian Mafia Commission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Mafia_Commission).

[Vojnik]

Vlachs are limited to particular regions close to fyrom, hardly represent the 20% of Vlach percentage in fyrom, and the most important they don't have Italian surnames, genius

The fact that only Latins fyromians know or ever had contacts with are Vlachs, doesn't mean that this applies for a country with completely different history and society, like Greece

As for Vlachs origins, there are several theories,

the only sure is that Greek presence in Italy and vice versa (but only for the middle ages) is undeniable

20% Vlachs in the Republic of Macedonia? You nuts?? Btw, it was a honest question. It's not meant to offend. There's nothing wrong with Vlachs.

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/maps/Vlach_s_balkans.GIF


I give you a hint,look at the thread's titly

It says Venetian surname.

So by your logic Venetians are Vlachs then or Vlachs are Venetians :lol:

No! the first post of this thread says: "Several Greeks carry Latin surnames.Here's an example, does he give off an Italian vibe?".

That's why i asked if he could be Vlach. Because Vlachs speak a Romance language, and I guess have Latin names.

[Vojnik]

Plus many many Italian loan words in modern Greek language and vice versa and common shared words.

We say fourno for the oven,Italians say forno.

We say scuro for dark,Italians say use the same word.

For dark eyes,Greeks say Matia scura,Italians say"Occi"eyes" scuri".

Other common words Cassarola,Camineto and many more

We say Furna for oven.

I noticed Greeks also say Kara for Dark alot. But it's Turkish. Theres alot of greeks with Kara in their names. The butcher Karavangelis for example:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Germanos_Karavaggelis2.jpg/220px-Germanos_Karavaggelis2.jpg

Didn't know Italians say eyes like that. We also say Oci for eyes.

[Tauromachos]

We say Furna for oven.

Obviously adopdet from Greek language.

Since except of Greek this word is mainly used in Romance languages which are fairly distinct
from Slavic ones.

Four or Fourno in French,Forno in Italian



I noticed Greeks also say Kara for Dark alot. But it's Turkish. Theres alot of greeks with Kara in their names. The butcher Karavangelis for example:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Germanos_Karavaggelis2.jpg/220px-Germanos_Karavaggelis2.jpg


Kara is indeed a Turkish word meaning Black,Kara Deniz"Black Sea" for example Deniz means Sea in Turkish.

Greeks use it mainly in certain contexts and more often as part of Greek Slang than in mainstream Greek.

The proper modern Greek word for dark is scuro the Greek word for Black is mauro.



Didn't know Italians say eyes like that. We also say Oci for eyes.

True
All Slavic languages use Oci,Odji,Ogi or something similar for eyes.
Zeleni Ogi"Green eyes"in Bulgarian,Ogi Tschornje Black Eyes an old russian folksong.

The funny thing is that its Italians who use the word occi for eyes and not Greeks were this word deosn't exist :lol:

Eye in Greece is either Mati or Ofthalmos

[brennus dux gallorum]

20% Vlachs in the Republic of Macedonia? You nuts?? Btw, it was a honest question. It's not meant to offend. There's nothing wrong with Vlachs.

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/maps/Vlach_s_balkans.GIF



No! the first post of this thread says: "Several Greeks carry Latin surnames.Here's an example, does he give off an Italian vibe?".

That's why i asked if he could be Vlach. Because Vlachs speak a Romance language, and I guess have Latin names.

Can you understand what you read? 20% compare to the percentage of vlachs in your country (who count nearly 100.000 people in a country of 2 millions, meanwhile in Greece of 10 million they have an equal number)

And of course there is nothing bad about vlachs, but the fact that when a Greek hear the word Latin, he will think of Italians, Iberians etc and when someone from your country hear the same word thinks of vlachs, shows the fundamental differences between ours and your history, which reflects in every aspect of each nation (racial, cultural, linguistic and mental)

Vlachs don't have Latin names, and don't exist in places where a small percentage of Greeks has Latin originated names (and other aspects I would say), which I would say indicates that for most of the country (but surely not all) south Europeans are what Albanians and Bulgarians are for you (before say anything, I don't call you Bulgarian)

[Iloko]

give me a Northern Italian vibe; a bit of a Slavic vibe as well

[Vojnik]

Can you understand what you read? 20% compare to the percentage of vlachs in your country (who count nearly 100.000 people in a country of 2 millions, meanwhile in Greece of 10 million they have an equal number)

And of course there is nothing bad about vlachs, but the fact that when a Greek hear the word Latin, he will think of Italians, Iberians etc and when someone from your country hear the same word thinks of vlachs, shows the fundamental differences between ours and your history, which reflects in every aspect of each nation (racial, cultural, linguistic and mental)

Vlachs don't have Latin names, and don't exist in places where a small percentage of Greeks has Latin originated names (and other aspects I would say), which I would say indicates that for most of the country (but surely not all) south Europeans are what Albanians and Bulgarians are for you (before say anything, I don't call you Bulgarian)

What a absolute joke of a comment. What makes you think we don't also think Italian when we think of Latin?

Mate, many of your historical figures were Vlach. There's even a well known saying in Greece that says "Vlachs are more Greek then the Greeks".

Anyway, why you mention Macedonians in a thread about some Greek guy with a latin surname?

[Hellenas]

Then Marcello Mastroianni must be Greek.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51iEOirsG7L._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

And Afro-Americans with English surnames must be of English origin.

https://defendernetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Black_census_photo.jpg

[brennus dux gallorum]

What a absolute joke of a comment. What makes you think we don't also think Italian when we think of Latin?

Mate, many of your historical figures were Vlach. There's even a well known saying in Greece that says "Vlachs are more Greek then the Greeks".

Anyway, why you mention Macedonians in a thread about some Greek guy with a latin surname?

Joke or not, that's the historical reality, and that's what yours and the rest of your countrymen's posts usually imply. You automatically referred an irrelevant population in a thread, which happens to be familiar to you. And in case that you take it wrong, there is nothing insulting in my post, just mentioning the sense that your post makes

And as for the "sayings", you should know that they often don't represent the majority

[Tauromachos]

What a absolute joke of a comment. What makes you think we don't also think Italian when we think of Latin?

Mate, many of your historical figures were Vlach.

And many of our historical figures were not Vlach.

Examples

Eletherios Venizelos"Predominantly Cretan but also some origins from Laconia"
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%85%CE%B8%CE%AD%CF%81%CE%B9%C E%BF%CF%82_%CE%92%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%B6%CE%AD%CE %BB%CE%BF%CF%82.jpg


Ypsilantis"Pontian Greek born in Constantinople but originally from Trabzon Pontus"
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Alexander2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ypsilantis#/media/File:Alexander2.jpg


Ion Dragoumis"Greek from Constantinople"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Dragoumis#/media/File:Ion_Dragoumis.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Dragoumis#/media/File:Ion_Dragoumis.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Ion_Dragoumis.jpg


Kolokotronis"Greek from Arcadia"
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Kolokotronis-01d-by-Karl_Krazeisen.jpg

Mavromichalis family"Maniot Greeks"


Kapodistrias"Greek from Corfu,Ionian Islander"
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Kapodistrias2.jpg

[Corded]

pontid + alpine

[Tauromachos]

give me a Northern Italian vibe; a bit of a Slavic vibe as well

Zero Slavic vibe imao

Looks way more Italian and not North Italian so much in particular

Best fit is from Tuscany till Rome roughly but can pass in Napoli as well in my opinion