Armenian Gedmatch result. Closer to Palestinian than Georgian!

[Haider]

He's from Armenia proper but lives in Russia and comes out similar to Western Armenians. I've always found it interesting that despite sharing borders, Armenians and Georgians don't seem to be closely related.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.83
2 West_Asian 34.58
3 West_Med 14.23
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 South_Asian 3.22
6 North_Atlantic 1.55
7 Oceanian 0.32
8 Amerindian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 3.88
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.66
3 Armenian 6
4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.88
5 Iranian_Jewish 7.87
6 Lebanese_Muslim 11.54
7 Turkish 12.62
8 Kurdish 13.59
9 Azeri 13.93
10 Syrian 14.05
11 Cyprian 14.36
12 Lebanese_Druze 14.92
13 Lebanese_Christian 14.97
14 Iranian 15.15
15 Samaritan 16.89
16 Jordanian 18.38
17 Palestinian 19.61
18 Tunisian_Jewish 22.66
19 Georgian 22.68
20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Armenian + 27.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.27
2 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.82
3 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Samaritan @ 2.83
4 68.6% Assyrian + 31.4% Armenian @ 3.09
5 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.23
6 59.4% Armenian + 40.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.66
7 94.9% Assyrian + 5.1% Abhkasian @ 3.68
8 74.7% Armenian + 25.3% Cyprian @ 3.71
9 95.4% Assyrian + 4.6% Georgian @ 3.73
10 98% Assyrian + 2% Sardinian @ 3.74
11 70.2% Armenian + 29.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.84
12 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Ossetian @ 3.85
13 93.7% Assyrian + 6.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.87
14 99.7% Assyrian + 0.3% French_Basque @ 3.88
15 99.2% Assyrian + 0.8% Balkar @ 3.88
16 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.88
17 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% Adygei @ 3.88
18 99.2% Assyrian + 0.8% Cyprian @ 3.88
19 100% Assyrian + 0% South_Italian @ 3.88
20 100% Assyrian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.88

[Sikeliot]

Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

https://i1.wp.com/www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/turkey-armenia.gif

[oszkar07]

Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

https://i1.wp.com/www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/turkey-armenia.gif

I think modern Armenia was part of historical Armenia, there is many old Armenian churches in modern Armenia.

[Haider]

Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

https://i1.wp.com/www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/turkey-armenia.gif

Armenians have always shared borders with Georgians, even if historically the majority of the population didn't live close to them. Also, Pontic Greeks (who are in fact Hellenized Armenians) are from further north in the Black Sea region and they get similar results.

[Haider]

I think modern Armenia was part of historical Armenia, there is many old Armenian churches in modern Armenia.

True, modern Armenia is only a tiny fraction of historical Armenia, but they always lived there. Also, Cilicia was a colony, not part of their original homeland. But it's true that they originated further South, around lake Van.

[oszkar07]

True, modern Armenia is only a tiny fraction of historical Armenia, but they always lived there. Also, Cilicia was a colony, not part of their original homeland. But it's true that they originated further South, around lake Van.

The genetic clustering with Assyrians is interesting , always thought they would be closer to old historical Anatolians possibly even with some distant Greek/Phrygian .

[Haider]

The genetic clustering with Assyrians is interesting , always thought they would be closer to old historical Anatolians possibly even with some distant Greek/Phrygian .

Despite that, Assyrians and Armenians look nothing alike. Probably due to climate. The former are a desert-adapted population and the latter a mountain-adapted one.

[Haider]

The genetic clustering with Assyrians is interesting , always thought they would be closer to old historical Anatolians possibly even with some distant Greek/Phrygian .

Despite that, Assyrians and Armenians look nothing alike. Probably due to climate. The former are a desert-adapted population and the latter a mountain-adapted one.

[StonyArabia]

Despite that, Assyrians and Armenians look nothing alike. Probably due to climate. The former are a desert-adapted population and the latter a mountain-adapted one.

Northern Iraq is not a Desert lol

[Peterski]

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 3.88
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.66
3 Armenian 6
4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.88
5 Iranian_Jewish 7.87
6 Lebanese_Muslim 11.54
7 Turkish 12.62
8 Kurdish 13.59
(...)

But you can see that this is not a genetically typical Armenian because distance to Armenian reference is 6 and he is closer to Assyrians and Georgian Jews than to typical Armenians.


Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

https://i1.wp.com/www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/turkey-armenia.gif

Here is the data on Armenian population - by region - before WW1:

1. Russian Empire:

Erivan* - 441,000
Elisabethpol - 292,188
Tiflis - 196,189
Kars - 73,406
Batumi - 7,120

*Erivan Governorate is more or less modern Armenia (see the map below):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erivan_Governorate

2. Ottoman Empire:

Van - 185,000
Bitlis - 180,000
Erzeroum - 215,000
Diyarbokir - 105,000
Kharpert - 168,000
Sivas** - 165,000
Haleb - 86,085
Adana - 52,650

**Sebastia in the map below. Haleb & Adana are Cilician Armenians.

But this is Armenian data (Turks claim these numbers are too high):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_population#Armenian_Patriarchate_ records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treatment_of_Armenians_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

Turkish data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914_population_statistics_for_the_Ottoman_Empire

https://i.imgur.com/LKE5a5A.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Armenia_between_russian_and_ottoman_empires.png


I think modern Armenia was part of historical Armenia, there is many old Armenian churches in modern Armenia.

Yes, see the data I posted above. Modern Armenia was mostly in the Russian Empire before WW1. Armenians were distributed ca. 50/50 between Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire.

[wvwvw]

Depends from where this Armenian is from. Armenians have large communities in Syria. I have seen Armenians from Syria plot differently from Armenians from Armenia.

[Teucer]

Why do Armenians have quite high west-med?

[Peterski]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

What about 4-Ancestors Oracle (Oracle-4)?

[Kamal900]

His/her east med is pretty sexy if you ask me. I wonder why he/she is around 1/4th Levantine genetically though.

[Kamal900]

Why do Armenians have quite high west-med?

I think it has to do with EHG people like Sardinians that never left the middle east or something.

[Peterski]

Armenians have always shared borders with Georgians

But also with Assyrians. With Georgians to the north and with Assyrians to the south:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245677-Proposals-for-Free-Assyria-2017

https://www.edmaps.com/assets/images/assyrian_nation_1910.png

[Thracian]

We need more samples to compare it. He obviously shifted southern according to his mixed mode pop. sharing. I don't think Armenians are a homogeneous mixed nation. Many Armenians have more MENA because their ancestors were living in Cilicia and Eastern Turkey. Most likely Armenians from Northern Armenia have different results from him.

[FinalFlash]

Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

https://i1.wp.com/www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/turkey-armenia.gif

Historic Armenia included modern day Armenia and them some. Why are you spreading bullshit Azeri propaganda? I'm from modern day Armenia.

[FinalFlash]

He's from Armenia proper but lives in Russia and comes out similar to Western Armenians. I've always found it interesting that despite sharing borders, Armenians and Georgians don't seem to be closely related.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.83
2 West_Asian 34.58
3 West_Med 14.23
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 South_Asian 3.22
6 North_Atlantic 1.55
7 Oceanian 0.32
8 Amerindian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 3.88
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.66
3 Armenian 6
4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.88
5 Iranian_Jewish 7.87
6 Lebanese_Muslim 11.54
7 Turkish 12.62
8 Kurdish 13.59
9 Azeri 13.93
10 Syrian 14.05
11 Cyprian 14.36
12 Lebanese_Druze 14.92
13 Lebanese_Christian 14.97
14 Iranian 15.15
15 Samaritan 16.89
16 Jordanian 18.38
17 Palestinian 19.61
18 Tunisian_Jewish 22.66
19 Georgian 22.68
20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Armenian + 27.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.27
2 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.82
3 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Samaritan @ 2.83
4 68.6% Assyrian + 31.4% Armenian @ 3.09
5 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.23
6 59.4% Armenian + 40.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.66
7 94.9% Assyrian + 5.1% Abhkasian @ 3.68
8 74.7% Armenian + 25.3% Cyprian @ 3.71
9 95.4% Assyrian + 4.6% Georgian @ 3.73
10 98% Assyrian + 2% Sardinian @ 3.74
11 70.2% Armenian + 29.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.84
12 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Ossetian @ 3.85
13 93.7% Assyrian + 6.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.87
14 99.7% Assyrian + 0.3% French_Basque @ 3.88
15 99.2% Assyrian + 0.8% Balkar @ 3.88
16 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.88
17 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% Adygei @ 3.88
18 99.2% Assyrian + 0.8% Cyprian @ 3.88
19 100% Assyrian + 0% South_Italian @ 3.88
20 100% Assyrian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.88

Some Armenians from Russia have western Armenian roots. Some Armenians from modern day Armenia are also descended from western Armenia(descendants of genocide survivors and repats). Gedmatch doesn't have too many results of Armenians native to eastern Armenia at all. Most results put them as equidistant to Levantines and Georgians, some closer to the former and some to the latter.

Since results for those native to east Armenia are not that many, I'll have to take this DNA test and probably convince a few other people I know to do the same.

Also, if an "Armenian" result doesn't have an Armenian as the top match, chances are that they are mixed or very very atypical. With all due respect, this result is clearly cherry picked.

[Sikeliot]

Historic Armenia included modern day Armenia and them some. Why are you spreading bullshit Azeri propaganda? I'm from modern day Armenia.

I was jus saying most Armenians have historically lived further south.

[Haider]

Some Armenians from Russia have western Armenian roots. Some Armenians from modern day Armenia are also descended from western Armenia(descendants of genocide survivors and repats). Gedmatch doesn't have too many results of Armenians native to eastern Armenia at all. Most results put them as equidistant to Levantines and Georgians, some closer to the former and some to the latter.

Since results for those native to east Armenia are not that many, I'll have to take this DNA test and probably convince a few other people I know to do the same.

Also, if an "Armenian" result doesn't have an Armenian as the top match, chances are that they are mixed or very very atypical. With all due respect, this result is clearly cherry picked.

It's not cherry picked, it's a cousin's match.

Anyway, would you say Western/Cilician Armenians are mixed with Syriacs and/or Christian Arabs?

[FinalFlash]

It's not cherry picked, it's a cousin's match.

Anyway, would you say Western/Cilician Armenians are mixed with Syriacs and/or Christian Arabs?

Prior to the Armenian genocide, not a chance. Most foreign mixing that I've known took place with Assyrians and Pontians. After fleeing to the Levant post genocide, some mixing did happen as I've known a few Armenians with Lebanese and/or Syrian background. Judging by some of these results even, its obvious some mixing did occur with Christian levantines in general.

Btw, whose cousin? That's an atypical result for any type of Armenian, beit western and especially eastern. Keep in mind many of these samples are from diasporans who can have mixed ancestry. I've seen Armenian results that match with Bulgarians, Romanians, Greeks Italians and a bunch of other population matches in their top 10! That's obviously a mixed Armenian. Just like one who doesnt get an Armenian match in their top 2!

[Haider]

Prior to the Armenian genocide, not a chance. Most foreign mixing that I've known took place with Assyrians and Pontians. After fleeing to the Levant post genocide, some mixing did happen as I've known a few Armenians with Lebanese and/or Syrian background. Judging by some of these results even, its obvious some mixing did occur with Christian levantines in general.

Btw, whose cousin? That's an atypical result for any type of Armenian, beit western and especially eastern. Keep in mind many of these samples are from diasporans who can have mixed ancestry. I've seen Armenian results that match with Bulgarians, Romanians, Greeks Italians and a bunch of other population matches in their top 10! That's obviously a mixed Armenian. Just like one who doesnt get an Armenian match in their top 2!

Yeah, I meant pre-genocide Armenians. Post genocide Armenians in Levant did mix with local Christians. I myself have some Armenian input via a Maronite grandmother. That's why I'm interested and often post about Armenians. :)

Are you sure that those who get such populations in their top 10 aren't Russian admixed? I've seen half Lebanese half Ukrainian/Russian results and they are also pretty close to Balkanites.

[FinalFlash]

Yeah, I meant pre-genocide Armenians. Post genocide Armenians in Levant did mix with local Christians. I myself have some Armenian input via a Maronite grandmother. That's why I'm interested and often post about Armenians. :)

Are you sure that those who get such populations in their top 10 aren't Russian admixed? I've seen half Lebanese half Ukrainian/Russian results and they are also pretty close to Balkanites.

There were Austrians, Croats and Hungarians in his top 20 as well.

Here's one

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1West_Asian21.462Baltic16.693Eas t_Med16.364Eastern_Euro13.085North_Sea12.066Atlant ic9.477West_Med5.088Red_Sea3.259Siberian1.26

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 15.020155
2 Romanian @ 15.136801
3 Serbian @ 18.513960
4 Moldavian @ 19.125257
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.460876
6 Greek @ 19.621975
7 Ashkenazi @ 21.607624
8 Croatian @ 22.319431
9 Central_Greek @ 22.375391
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 22.921406
11 Hungarian @ 23.919258
12 East_Sicilian @ 23.920902
13 Nogay @ 24.288673
14 Austrian @ 24.522972
15 Turkish @ 24.680206
16 Kumyk @ 24.924486
17 Turkmen @ 25.063585
18 Tatar @ 25.513187
19 Tuscan @ 26.406132
20 South_Italian @ 26.614452

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Southwest_Russian @ 3.972715


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Georgian +25% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.826771


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.216100
2 Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.274769
3 Lebanese_Christian + North_Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.296139
4 Georgian + Lebanese_Muslim + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.316025
5 Lebanese_Christian + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.328119
6 Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.329126
7 Abhkasian + Estonian + Lebanese_Christian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.337876
8 Lebanese_Christian + North_Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.344275
9 Abhkasian + Estonian + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.384633
10 Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.402338
11 Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.431336
12 Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.451419
13 Abhkasian + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian @ 2.456019
14 Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.498771
15 Adygei + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.499105
16 Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.499695
17 Adygei + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.525652
18 Georgian + Lebanese_Muslim + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.531337
19 Abhkasian + Estonian + Lebanese_Muslim + Southwest_Russian @ 2.536039
20 Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.540198

Apparently modeled as a half Armenian and half southwest Russian.

Heres another

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1Baltic22.422Eastern_Euro19.663W est_Asian17.664North_Sea16.605Atlantic7.636West_Me d7.267East_Med5.978South_Asian1.67

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 12.648498
2 Croatian @ 15.894216
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.341820
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.670204
5 Ukrainian @ 17.402878
6 South_Polish @ 17.724937
7 Southwest_Russian @ 17.818260
8 Romanian @ 18.525183
9 Serbian @ 18.725454
10 Hungarian @ 18.733843
11 Russian_Smolensk @ 19.289127
12 Tatar @ 19.494495
13 Erzya @ 19.795574
14 Kargopol_Russian @ 20.229887
15 Bulgarian @ 20.330957
16 Polish @ 20.526859
17 Austrian @ 21.313414
18 Belorussian @ 21.610714
19 Estonian_Polish @ 21.668911
20 East_German @ 23.168264

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Tabassaran @ 8.665812


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Erzya +25% Georgian +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.146517


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Abhkasian + Erzya + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.718894
2 Erzya + Georgian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.915808
3 Abhkasian + Erzya + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.989358
4 Abhkasian + Erzya + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.028459
5 Erzya + Georgian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.035947
6 Abhkasian + Erzya + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 5.094954
7 Abhkasian + Erzya + Erzya + Ukrainian @ 5.120559
8 Erzya + Georgian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.133281
9 Erzya + Erzya + Georgian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.146517
10 Erzya + Erzya + Georgian + Ukrainian @ 5.148862
11 Erzya + Lezgin + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.149839
12 Abhkasian + Erzya + Erzya + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.165114
13 Erzya + Lezgin + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.185006
14 Erzya + Georgian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 5.187718
15 Erzya + Georgian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.219896
16 Chechen + Erzya + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.238122
17 Abhkasian + Erzya + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.260615
18 Erzya + Lezgin + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.279015
19 Abhkasian + Erzya + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.288576
20 Abhkasian + Erzya + South_Polish + Ukrainian @ 5.302893

This sample hardly has Balkanites lol

Another one

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1West_Asian19.572East_Med18.733E astern_Euro13.764Baltic12.985North_Sea11.176Atlant ic10.727Red_Sea4.108West_Med3.229Siberian2.6910Sou th_Asian1.91

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 15.817561
2 Romanian @ 16.051899
3 Greek @ 18.771004
4 Serbian @ 18.934235
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.111166
6 Ashkenazi @ 19.421965
7 Central_Greek @ 20.969252
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 21.137085
9 Moldavian @ 21.204931
10 Turkmen @ 22.284670
11 East_Sicilian @ 22.285748
12 Turkish @ 22.346992
13 Nogay @ 23.971424
14 Azeri @ 24.022291
15 Croatian @ 24.136311
16 West_Sicilian @ 24.610428
17 South_Italian @ 24.932941
18 Austrian @ 25.166096
19 Tuscan @ 25.274702
20 Kumyk @ 25.294363

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Jewish +50% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.569195


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kargopol_Russian +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.394491


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.792440
2 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.816786
3 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.829248
4 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.932274
5 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.977280
6 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.996850
7 Adygei + Austrian + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.017118
8 Azeri + East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.079620
9 Erzya + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.087322
10 Erzya + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.089640
11 Georgian + Kargopol_Russian + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.106344
12 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Kargopol_Russian @ 3.110064
13 East_Finnish + Georgian + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.124557
14 East_Finnish + Estonian_Polish + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.153942
15 Abhkasian + East_Finnish + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.160655
16 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish @ 3.165536
17 East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Russian_Smolensk @ 3.166205
18 East_Finnish + Estonian_Polish + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish @ 3.202519
19 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.216406
20 Austrian + Azeri + Erzya + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.217354

There's a few more like this. This is why I'm skeptical of a lot of these submissions. You get this fuckery here. You have results that dont land an Armenian in the top 3, or even 5. Then theres the one you posted with no Armenian in the top 2 that's closer to a Pali than a Georgian.

[Sp_loa]

It’s Amazing to see how close are Aremnian to Mizrahi Jews (especially Georgian Jews).

[Seth MacFarlane]

But you can see that this is not a genetically typical Armenian because distance to Armenian reference is 6 and he is closer to Assyrians and Georgian Jews than to typical Armenians.



Here is the data on Armenian population - by region - before WW1:

1. Russian Empire:

Erivan* - 441,000
Elisabethpol - 292,188
Tiflis - 196,189
Kars - 73,406
Batumi - 7,120

*Erivan Governorate is more or less modern Armenia (see the map below):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erivan_Governorate

2. Ottoman Empire:

Van - 185,000
Bitlis - 180,000
Erzeroum - 215,000
Diyarbokir - 105,000
Kharpert - 168,000
Sivas** - 165,000
Haleb - 86,085
Adana - 52,650

**Sebastia in the map below. Haleb & Adana are Cilician Armenians.

But this is Armenian data (Turks claim these numbers are too high):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_population#Armenian_Patriarchate_ records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treatment_of_Armenians_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

Turkish data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914_population_statistics_for_the_Ottoman_Empire

https://i.imgur.com/LKE5a5A.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Armenia_between_russian_and_ottoman_empires.png



Yes, see the data I posted above. Modern Armenia was mostly in the Russian Empire before WW1. Armenians were distributed ca. 50/50 between Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire.

a few other ged matches with similiar distances . this one has armenian as number 1 but assyrian and mizrahi jewish come close behind


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.45
2 East_Med 36.02
3 West_Med 14.07
4 Red_Sea 6.45
5 North_Atlantic 4.62
6 South_Asian 2.24
7 Oceanian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.49
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.62
3 Assyrian 6.34
4 Kurdish_Jewish 9.58
5 Turkish 10.31
6 Iranian_Jewish 10.47
7 Kurdish 11.4
8 Azeri 11.74
9 Lebanese_Muslim 12.92
10 Iranian 13.78
11 Syrian 15.16
12 Cyprian 15.84
13 Lebanese_Druze 17.55
14 Lebanese_Christian 17.82
15 Samaritan 19.34
16 Georgian 19.39
17 Jordanian 19.9
18 Abhkasian 20.61
19 Palestinian 21.34
20 Kumyk 21.37