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Peterski
07-14-2018, 10:51 AM
Gdansk Massacre (Polish: Rzeź Gdańska), extermination of Gdansk residents by the Teutonic Knights on November 13, 1308:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRze%25C5 %25BA_gda%25C5%2584ska

From "Annales seu cronici incliti regni Poloniae" (English translation):

"THE GRAND MASTER OF THE TEUTONIC ORDER, AFTER CAPTURING THE CASTLE OF GDANSK, FORCES THE CITY TO SURRENDER AND SLAUGHTERS ALL THE POLES, SPARING NEITHER GENDER NOR AGE.

(...) The city was resisting enemy siege for over a dozen days; but then it fell due to betrayal by some of its inhabitants - those of German extraction - who started negotiationg with the Teutonic Knights about surrendering. At night, the gate was opened by traitors and the enemy was let in. The city fell. Soon all of Pomerelian knights, lords and nobility, and - what was an even worse crime - all the common people, were slaughtered. No Pole was spared, no gender was spared, no class was spared and no age was spared - the Teutonic Knights murdered without mercy all the adolescents, children and infants. (...) Few examples of similar mass slaughter exist in Poland's history, rarely has so much blood been spilled whenever some fortified place was sacked. There was no kind of rape and no kind of cruelty, that the Teutonic Knights have not committed in Gdansk to exterminate the Poles. (...)"

Pope Clement V wrote in 1310:

"Novissime vero ad pervenit auditum, quod dicti praeceptores et fratres hospitalis eiusdem dilecti filii nobilis viri Wladislai Cracovie et Sandomirie ducis terram hostiliter subintrantes in civitate Gdansco ultra decem milia hominum gladio peremerunt infantibus vagientibus in cunis mortis exitum inferentes, quibus etiam hostis fidei pepercisset."

English:

"It has recently come to our attention that the said preceptors and brothers of the same hospital, stealing into the land of our dear son, the nobleman Duke Władysław of Kraków and Sandomierz, in a hostile manner, killed more than 10,000 people in the town of Gdansk by the sword, inflicting death upon infants crying in their cradles, whom even the enemies of the faith would have spared."

Lites I (3), 69 (Papal bull):

"Gravem dilecti nobilis viri Wladislai ducis Polonie querelam accepimus, continentem, quod magister et fratres domus s. Marie Theutonicorum non attendentes, quod quondam Conradus dux Polonie avus eiusdem ducis eosdem magistrum et fratres, quos veros credebat katholice fidei defensores, ad partes illas pro defensione ipsius fidei primitus advocavit et nonnula inmobilia et mobilia bona liberaliter concessit eisdem, alias eos dictus Conradus et successors sui benigne ac favorabiliter prosequendo; sed ipsi dicto duci se reddentes ingratos et ad bona ipsius rapacitatis manus extendentes, illicite ducem ipsum terra sua Pomoranie Wladislauiensis dyocesis, que de regno Polonie fore dinoscitur temeritate propria spoliantes, illam cum hominibus, vasallis, castris, villis, possessionibus et bonis existentibus in eadem contra iusticiam occuparunt et detinuerunt iam per octo annos et amplius sicut adhuc detinent violenter, fructus ac redditus et proventus provenientes ex illa percipientes indebite et iniuste, illam sibi reddere contradicunt in ipsius ducis grave dispendium et regni predicti diminucionem enormem et scandalum manifestum."

English:

"We accepted the serious complaint of our dear son, the nobleman Duke Władysław of Poland, the master and brothers of the Teutonic Order not being present, maintaining that the late Duke Konrad of Poland, grandfather of the same duke, first called the master and brothers, whom he believed true defenders of the Catholic faith, and he freely conceded to them some movable and immovable goods, and the said Konrad and his successors with benign favour followed these up with others. But, showing no gratitude to the said duke and extending the hands of rapacity towards his goods, they boldly and illicitily robbed that duke of his own land of Pomerania, of the diocese of Włocławek, which it is known should belong to the kingdom of Poland, along with the men, vassals, castles, villages, possessions, and goods in it, now occupying and detaining it against justice for eight years and more still violently detaining its fruits and revenues and produce wtihout right and unjustly, they refuse to return it to him at great cost to the duke himself and immense damage to the aforesaid kingdom and in manifest scandal."

Statements at the Warsaw Trial - made by 126 witnesses from all levels of Polish society at a hearing convened at Pope Benedict XII's request and held in Warsaw from February 4 to September 15, 1339. During the session, Polish citizens were asked to testify about the devastation done to Poland by the Teutonic Knights. The judges concluded that eastern Pomerania, Chelmno and Michalow lands should all be returned to Poland and that the Teutonic Knights should make a large indemnity payment.

Fragments from "Lites ac res gestae inter Polonos ordinemque Cruciferorum, 1339":

Lites I (2), 95:

"[King Casimir III] intendit, quod ducatus et terra Pomoranie cum omnibus territoriis et districtibus sitis et locatis infra ipsum, scilicet Gdansk, Swecze, Slupsk, Tharszow, Stalgart, Meva necnon aliis opidis, castris et villis infra ducatum Pomoranie constitutis, sunt site infra regnum predictum Polonie et ad ipsum regnum pertinent ab antiquo, et quod hoc est notorium (...) intendit, quod terra Culmensis cum omni districtu et territorio suo et cum civitate Culmensi, Thorun, necnon omnibus opidis, castris, villis sitis et locatis infra dictum territorium Culmense a flumine Visla usque ad flumen Ossa vulgariter nuncupatum, pertinet ab antiquo ad regnum Polonie et est sita infra metas eiusdem regni, et quod principes Polonie, qui pro tempore fuerunt, ipsam possederunt nomine regni euisdem, et quod de hoc est publica vox et fama."

English:

"[King Casimir III] intends to prove that the duchy and land of Pomerania with all the territories and districts situated and located within it, namely Gdansk, Świecie, Słupsk, Tczew, Starogard, and Gniew, and also the other towns, castles and villages located within the duchy of Pomerania, is situated within the aforesaid Kingdom of Poland and has belonged to the same kingdom since antiquity, and that this is notorious (...) he intends to prove that the land of Chełmno with each district and territory and with the city of Chełmno, Toruń, and also all the towns, castles, and villages located and situated under the said territory of Chełmno from the Vistula River to the river commonly named Osa belongs from antiquity to the Kingdom of Poland and is located within the borders of the same kingdom and that the princes of Poland at that time possessed the same in the name of the same king and that concerning this there is public knowledge."

Lites I (2), 163:

"Dixit eciam, quod una et eadem lingua est in Pomorania et Polonia, quia omnes homines communiter habitantes in ea locuntur polonicum (...) terra et ducatus Pomoranie est de regno Polonie et infra regnum, et est vox et fama publica de predictis tam inter indigenas quam inter Alamannos et alios alienigenas habitantes intra regnum Polonie et extra."

English:

"There is one and the same language in Poland and Pomerania because all the people living in [Pomerania] commonly speak Polish (...) the land or duchy of Pomerania is of the Kingdom of Poland and within the kingdom, and there is common knowledge about the aforesaid among both the indigenous people and the Germans and other foreigners living within the Kingdom of Poland and beyond."

Lites I (2), 283:

"[Duke Casimir of Kuyavia testified that the Teutonic Knights] interfecerunt ibi omnes Polonos, quotquot poterunt invenire... Theutonici stantes infra dictam civitatem Gdansk, defraudaverunt Polonos qui erant infraeam."

English:

"[Duke Casimir of Kuyavia testified that the Teutonic Knights] killed all the Poles they could find there [in Gdańsk], [and that] the Germans staying within the said city of Gdansk defrauded the Poles who lived there."

Lites I (2), 291:

"In dicta terra Pomoranie sunt et fuerunt semper Poloni" (English: "there are and always have been Poles in the land of Pomerania").

Lites I (2), 338:

"Dux Mistiwoyus ui lingua et moribus ac legibus se tenebat tamquam Polonus et semper de regno Polonie et infra ipsum regnum."

English:

"Duke Msciwoj in language, customs and laws thought of himself as a Pole and of the Kingdom of Poland and within the same kingdom."

Lites I (2), 367:

"[Archbishop of Gniezno testified that] semper ab antiquo, de quo memoria hominum in contrarium non existit, dicta terra Pomoranie pertinet et pertinuit ad regnum Polonie et est infra ipsum regnum et per principes Polonie possessa."

English:

"[Archbishop of Gniezno testified that] always from antiquity, about which memory of men to the contrary does not exist, the said land of Pomerania belongs and has belonged to the Kingdom of Poland, and it is within that kingdom and possessed by princes of Poland."

Dandelion
07-14-2018, 10:56 AM
Polonophobia is of all ages.

Peterski
07-14-2018, 11:14 AM
Polonophobia is of all ages.

Maybe not, but it is impressive how much of national consciousness people at that time had. Often it is claimed that national consciousness is only a product of 18th and 19th centuries. Witness testimonies from Polish-Teutonic court trials prove that there was Polish nationalism in the 1300s.

Dandelion
07-14-2018, 11:19 AM
Maybe not, but it is impressive how much of national consciousness people at that time had. Often it is claimed that national consciousness is only a product of 18th and 19th centuries. Witness testimonies from Polish-Teutonic court trials prove that there was Polish nationalism in the 1300s.

I agree. National consciousness is far older than nationalism exists as an ideology. One other example: the Hundred Years' War. One might argue that it helped form and strengthen a French national consciousness. But it's probably an older product than people assume it to be, because what's in the hearts of people is hardly considered.

Peterski
07-14-2018, 11:20 AM
One other example: the Hundred Years' War.

But weren't both sides actually French-speaking in that war?

English elites were still French-speaking at that time IIRC.

Dandelion
07-14-2018, 11:23 AM
But weren't both sides actually French-speaking in that war?

English elites were still French-speaking at that time IIRC.

No idea. It was the 14th century already back then, and great English literature like the Canterburry Tales was written during that war.

Apparently, they still did in that era for one century. Chaucer choosing to write in English does imply some existence of an English nationalism of some kind.

Peterski
07-14-2018, 11:25 AM
Polonophobia is of all ages.

I guess everyone was brutal back then.

But today in the West they teach about Mongols who massacred entire cities (Baghdad, Merv, Nishapur, Hungarian and Russian towns, etc.), while Teutonic Knights are being white-washed.

Because Mongols are Asiatic "barbarians" and Teutonic Knights "civilized" Germans.

Token
07-14-2018, 11:33 AM
Poles: rekt by Germans since 1250 BC.

Peterski
07-14-2018, 11:34 AM
Poles: rekt by Germans since 1250 BC.

Poles defeated the Teutons and regained Gdansk in the 1400s but we didn't massacre the inhabitants.

We are not bloodthirsty savages.

Token
07-14-2018, 11:44 AM
Poles defeated the Teutons and regained Gdansk in the 1400s but we didn't massacre the inhabitants.

We are not bloodthirsty savages.

Do you also consider Ukrainians and Russians bloodthirsty savages?

Peterski
07-14-2018, 11:49 AM
Do you also consider Ukrainians and Russians bloodthirsty savages?

No, I don't even consider Germans as such.

But the Teutonic Knights were not angels for sure. The Teutonic Knights are controversial (just like the Knights Templar), they were often driven by greed and did not hesitate to attack Christians.

Peterski
07-20-2019, 02:42 PM
Here is an excerpt from "Pan Tadeusz: The Last Foray in Lithuania" (English translation) written by Adam Mickiewicz in 1834:

http://leonardkress.com/Pan%20Tadeusz.pdf - from page 89/277

"The Judge unlocked a special liquor trunk;
from the protruding necks he chose a flask,
a fine crystal gift from the Bernardine monk.
Gdansk Vodka - he said - and no hard task
for Pole to drink. Long live Gdansk! - he shouted,
raising his stein. Gdansk was once our town,
and so will be again. The vodka spouted
a silver arc as he poured it around,
till only golden leaves glowed on the ground."

Voskos
07-20-2019, 02:44 PM
Where were these knights from?

pulstar
07-20-2019, 06:37 PM
Where were these knights from?

HRE

Sandman
07-20-2019, 07:11 PM
Poles paid back to Germans in 1311, killing German burghers in Krakow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion_of_mayor_Albert