The European component in African-Americans are most Irish, not English

[Heather Duval]

Most of them dont eve score English, check it

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?189239-Black-people-DNA-results-(23andme-AncestryDNA)

OMG, I thought I would never quote Colonel but here I go:

Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
I've read that in a place like NYC there was a bit of intermarriage between the Irish and Black Americans. This is understandably over looked because of competition for low skilled labor caused friction between the Irish Catholics and Blacks and by friction I mean typically the larger Irish population in the north would target the smaller Black population (such as in the Draft Riots in 1863, NYC). The biggest fear for a Irishman in NYC was the end of the Civil War would lead to a wave of free Blacks looking for work in the north and causing an even a greater competition for low skilled jobs.

[Kukushka]

Most of them dont eve score English, check it

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?189239-Black-people-DNA-results-(23andme-AncestryDNA)

OMG, I thought I would never quote Colonel but here I go:

Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
I've read that in a place like NYC there was a bit of intermarriage between the Irish and Black Americans. This is understandably over looked because of competition for low skilled labor caused friction between the Irish Catholics and Blacks and by friction I mean typically the larger Irish population in the north would target the smaller Black population (such as in the Draft Riots in 1863, NYC). The biggest fear for a Irishman in NYC was the end of the Civil War would lead to a wave of free Blacks looking for work in the north and causing an even a greater competition for low skilled jobs.

Yeah, because Irish were not part of the "white, protestant" mainstream anyway. Same in australia, with aborginals, many seem to have irish admix. Idk the role of catholicism?

[Grace O'Malley]

Most of them dont eve score English, check it

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?189239-Black-people-DNA-results-(23andme-AncestryDNA)

OMG, I thought I would never quote Colonel but here I go:

Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
I've read that in a place like NYC there was a bit of intermarriage between the Irish and Black Americans. This is understandably over looked because of competition for low skilled labor caused friction between the Irish Catholics and Blacks and by friction I mean typically the larger Irish population in the north would target the smaller Black population (such as in the Draft Riots in 1863, NYC). The biggest fear for a Irishman in NYC was the end of the Civil War would lead to a wave of free Blacks looking for work in the north and causing an even a greater competition for low skilled jobs.

I doubt they have more Irish admixture than British. Most African Americans would have more English or Scots-Irish admixture. Those were the groups that were involved mostly with slaves in the US south and elsewhere. Regarding the ancestry results they are a mixed bag with Ireland, Great Britain, Europe West, Scandinavia etc in the results. That doesn't translate to just Irish because the Irish on ancestry come out as nearly all Ireland or with the newer results Ireland & Scotland. The results posted in that thread have small amounts of different European admixture which is usual for English people. Also Ireland doesn't translate to just Irish people. The Ireland category on ancestry was changed to Ireland, Scotland & Wales and with the new update is now Ireland & Scotland.

Also most Irish Catholics went to the US around the time of the Irish Famine and after. Do most African-Americans sport Irish surnames? No they don't. Most African-Americans have their white admixture from slavery. It was even big news about Mohammed Ali's supposed Irish ancestry and as it turns out he has some English and Scottish ancestry and not in fact Irish.

[Heather Duval]

Yeah, because Irish were not part of the "white, protestant" mainstream anyway. Same in australia, with aborginals, many seem to have irish admix. Idk the role of catholicism?

Prob. Even darkest Aframs score more Irish than England
http://i.imgur.com/fnZ60KT.png
http://i.imgur.com/ixj7Vz0.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, because Irish were not part of the "white, protestant" mainstream anyway. Same in australia, with aborginals, many seem to have irish admix. Idk the role of catholicism?

This is also not true. I live in Australia and most Aboriginals have a varied European ancestry. What gives you the idea that "many seem to have Irish admix?"

[Heather Duval]

http://i.imgur.com/o0Fxq9K.png


Finally a pred English:
http://i.imgur.com/JTN1eHS.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Prob. Even darkest Aframs score more Irish than England
http://i.imgur.com/fnZ60KT.png
http://i.imgur.com/ixj7Vz0.png

1% Ireland is trace and they will lose that in the update. Regarding the other result they get too many different European admixture results. Look how varied 13% Ireland, 6% Scandinavia etc. On Ancestry a fully Irish person will match the Ireland & Scotland category almost 100%. They don't get that sort of breakdown. Someone with 13% Ireland, 6% Scandinavia, 3% Europe West etc does not translate to Irish ancestry.

All those people posted get too varied an Ancestry Composition for a Irish person.

People don't understand how these tests work at all.

This is my updated Ancestry Composition and I've seen other Irish results. With the new update people are losing all their trace regions and Irish people now appear to be getting 100% Ireland & Scotland.

This is my updated result.

http://i63.tinypic.com/29zquzn.jpg

So how does it breakdown into all those regions posted in the results above?

[Heather Duval]

1% Ireland is trace and they will lose that in the update. Regarding the other result they get too many different European admixture results. Look how varied 13% Ireland, 6% Scandinavia etc. On Ancestry a fully Irish person will match the Ireland & Scotland category almost 100%. They don't get that sort of breakdown. Someone with 13% Ireland, 6% Scandinavia, 3% Europe West etc does not translate to Irish ancestry.

People don't understand how these tests work at all.

Then why this one scored finally England?
http://i.imgur.com/JTN1eHS.png

She seems to be the minority of those who got more England than Irisih among Aframs

[Grace O'Malley]

Then why this one scored finally England?
http://i.imgur.com/JTN1eHS.png

She seems to be the minority of those who got more England than Irisih among Aframs

Have you looked at a lot of Ancestry results for people from the UK? Most English people will get some Ireland in their Ancestry Composition. Some English can even not get Great Britain but will get Ireland, Europe West, Scandinavia and sometimes Iberia. They get a more varied composition because of how these tests work. Ireland does not just mean Irish especially when people get a smaller percentage. I've seen lots of Europeans get Irish results without actual Irish ancestry. As I've said a fully Irish person does not get that amount of varied ancestry composition in these tests. So all the people that you have posted getting those small varied results does not translate to them having an Irish ancestor.

Here is a Norwegian girl getting Irish, Scottish and Welsh in her MyHeritage results.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cftSlorLr0&t=2s

Here's another MyHeritage results but this time with quite a few Irish. Notice the very high amount of Irish, Scottish and Welsh that all the fully Irish get on these tests.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf907q76YY4&t=7s

I know a lot about these tests and have seen many, many results. Those results that you have posted are too varied for people with just Irish ancestry.

[Profileid]

it doesn't make sense for there to be more irish than british. european admix in black americans goes back to colonial times for the most part.
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/8mjyua/my_moms_results_about_5050_africaneuropean_both/

[Bobby Martnen]

Mohammed Ali'

*Cassius Clay.

Let's not feed into his KANGZ delusions.

[Carlito's Way]

i notice this too, which would explain why though, irish lived among african american communities and worked along side with them in the fields, factories