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Lauχum
07-15-2018, 06:58 AM
Interesting results, somewhat North and/or Balkan shifted compared to Lombards.

1. All four grandparents from Treviso Province, Veneto.

MDLP K16
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 30.99
2 Caucasian 27.40
3 Steppe 18.76
4 NorthEastEuropean 18.63
5 NorthAfrican 1.75
6 NearEast 1.63


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Friul @ 5.779080
2 Provencal_Provence @ 5.918087
3 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 6.351566
4 Swiss_Switzerland @ 6.361692
5 Italian_Bergamo @ 6.365536
6 Romanian_Apuseni @ 6.617038
7 Romanian_Gorj @ 6.629369
8 Serbian_Serbia @ 6.839767
9 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 6.858439
10 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 7.796638
11 French_EastFrance @ 7.941525
12 Moldavian_Molodva @ 7.962235
13 Corsican_Corsica @ 8.086057
14 French_NorthwestFrance @ 8.095410
15 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 8.240897
16 German_Germany @ 8.688100
17 Italian_Tuscany @ 8.854755
18 Kosovar_Kosovo @ 9.017113
19 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 9.059118
20 Romanian_Romania @ 9.256769

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_France +50% Greek_Thessaloniki @ 2.007099


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% Greek_Greece +25% Spanish_Baleares @ 1.809677


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.586312
2 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.658315
3 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.670390
4 English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.675568
5 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.698154
6 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Irish_Leinster + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.719398
7 English_England + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.725375
8 Basque_Spain + German_Germany + Sorb_Lusatia + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.769768
9 French_WestFrance + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.772808
10 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Grampian @ 1.780650
11 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Spanish_Baleares @ 1.809677
12 English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.816388
13 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.818824
14 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.828826
15 German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Irish_Ulster + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.830943
16 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.833407
17 Basque_Spain + German_Germany + Turk_Trabzon + Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 1.837002
18 Basque_Spain + Belarusian_Zhytkavichy_Homel + German_Germany + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.840847
19 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Tuscany @ 1.846490
20 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany @ 1.862208

Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.43
2 West_Med 18.7
3 East_Med 13.93
4 North_Sea 13.52
5 Baltic 9.72
6 West_Asian 8.63
7 Eastern_Euro 7.76
8 Red_Sea 2.34
9 South_Asian 0.53
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.27
2 Tuscan 8.96
3 Spanish_Andalucia 10.42
4 Spanish_Extremadura 10.82
5 Bulgarian 11.02
6 Spanish_Cataluna 11.13
7 Spanish_Murcia 11.16
8 Spanish_Valencia 11.16
9 Portuguese 11.17
10 Romanian 11.35
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.51
12 Serbian 11.85
13 Spanish_Galicia 12.17
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.26
15 Greek 12.53
16 Southwest_French 13.58
17 Spanish_Cantabria 13.59
18 Greek_Thessaly 13.78
19 Spanish_Aragon 14.07
20 Italian_Abruzzo 14.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 48.5% Bulgarian @ 2.26
2 52.1% Greek + 47.9% Southwest_French @ 2.53
3 52.8% Bulgarian + 47.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.59
4 50.3% Bulgarian + 49.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.71
5 56.4% Bulgarian + 43.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.76
6 52.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 47.7% Romanian @ 3.01
7 52.1% Greek + 47.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.15
8 68.6% Bulgarian + 31.4% French_Basque @ 3.56
9 50.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 49.4% Greek @ 3.64
10 65.6% Greek + 34.4% French_Basque @ 3.66
11 53.2% Spanish_Valencia + 46.8% Greek @ 3.69
12 55.7% Bulgarian + 44.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.69
13 53.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.7% Greek @ 3.73
14 53.1% Greek + 46.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.77
15 63.2% Greek_Thessaly + 36.8% French_Basque @ 3.82
16 50.4% Bulgarian + 49.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.82
17 50.5% Spanish_Valencia + 49.5% Romanian @ 3.82
18 50.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 49.5% Bulgarian @ 3.93
19 55.8% Bulgarian + 44.2% Southwest_French @ 3.93
20 52.2% Romanian + 47.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.96

Eurogenes ANE K7
Population
ANE 11.49 Pct
ASE 1.10 Pct
WHG-UHG 49.95 Pct
East_Eurasian 0.53 Pct
West_African 0.37 Pct
East_African 0.63 Pct
ENF 35.94 Pct

2. All four grandparents from Treviso Province, Veneto.

MDLP K16
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.84
2 Caucasian 27.42
3 NorthEastEuropean 19.21
4 Steppe 18.38
5 NearEast 2.35


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Bergamo @ 6.040472
2 Italian_Friul @ 6.261970
3 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 6.493642
4 Provencal_Provence @ 6.533962
5 Serbian_Serbia @ 6.932578
6 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 7.112200
7 Swiss_Switzerland @ 7.120357
8 Romanian_Apuseni @ 7.275136
9 Romanian_Gorj @ 7.467442
10 French_EastFrance @ 8.062096
11 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 8.120522
12 French_NorthwestFrance @ 8.171295
13 Corsican_Corsica @ 8.328951
14 Moldavian_Molodva @ 8.549283
15 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 8.591450
16 German_Germany @ 8.737846
17 Italian_Tuscany @ 9.024227
18 Kosovar_Kosovo @ 9.197881
19 Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 9.272313
20 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 9.273245

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +50% Italian_Tuscany @ 2.500127


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_France +25% Greek_Greece +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 2.335897


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.224024
2 English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.231038
3 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.262777
4 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.288373
5 English_Kent + French_France + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.317806
6 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.321442
7 French_France + French_France + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.335897
8 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Macedonia + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.344489
9 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.345823
10 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.352700
11 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.358759
12 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.394920
13 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.406578
14 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.418490
15 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.418568
16 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.423189
17 Dutch_Netherlands + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.429624
18 Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.440344
19 Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.442886
20 French_France + German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.451118

Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.56
2 Atlantic 20.6
3 West_Med 17.73
4 East_Med 13.36
5 Baltic 11.69
6 West_Asian 9.17
7 Eastern_Euro 4.41
8 Oceanian 0.57
9 Red_Sea 0.36
10 Southeast_Asian 0.34
11 Sub-Saharan 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 8.06
2 Romanian 10.42
3 Serbian 10.42
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.79
5 Portuguese 10.94
6 Tuscan 11.05
7 French 11.07
8 Spanish_Cataluna 11.1
9 Bulgarian 11.53
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.05
11 Spanish_Extremadura 12.23
12 Spanish_Murcia 12.49
13 Greek_Thessaly 13.31
14 Spanish_Valencia 13.95
15 Austrian 13.95
16 Spanish_Andalucia 13.96
17 South_Dutch 14.18
18 West_German 14.45
19 Hungarian 14.5
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.2% French + 44.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.15
2 66.9% North_Italian + 33.1% Hungarian @ 4.19
3 58.7% French + 41.3% Greek @ 4.2
4 55.8% Greek + 44.2% Southwest_English @ 4.42
5 59.2% Greek_Thessaly + 40.8% Southwest_English @ 4.45
6 59.8% Tuscan + 40.2% East_German @ 4.55
7 69.5% Tuscan + 30.5% Swedish @ 4.65
8 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% South_Dutch @ 4.73
9 52% Romanian + 48% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.76
10 69.6% North_Italian + 30.4% East_German @ 4.77
11 57.8% Tuscan + 42.2% West_German @ 4.8
12 77.3% North_Italian + 22.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.83
13 69.6% Tuscan + 30.4% Norwegian @ 4.89
14 51.5% Romanian + 48.5% Portuguese @ 4.9
15 60.8% Greek_Thessaly + 39.2% Southeast_English @ 4.93
16 78.2% North_Italian + 21.8% Swedish @ 4.95
17 51.3% West_German + 48.7% Greek @ 4.96
18 51.1% Romanian + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.98
19 78.3% North_Italian + 21.7% Ukrainian @ 4.98
20 70.9% North_Italian + 29.1% Moldavian @ 5

Eurogenes ANE K7
Population
ANE 11.88 Pct
ASE 1.21 Pct
WHG-UHG 52.33 Pct
East_Eurasian 0.73 Pct
West_African 0.66 Pct
East_African 0.15 Pct
ENF 33.05 Pct

3. All four grandparents from Udine province, Friuli-Venezia-Giulia.

MDLP K16
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 32.21
2 Caucasian 26.88
3 NorthEastEuropean 19.55
4 Steppe 19.20
5 NorthAfrican 1.32


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Bergamo @ 6.609719
2 Provencal_Provence @ 6.613399
3 Italian_Friul @ 7.190640
4 French_EastFrance @ 7.449033
5 German_Germany @ 7.586626
6 French_NorthwestFrance @ 7.607743
7 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 7.618770
8 Swiss_Switzerland @ 7.661191
9 Serbian_Serbia @ 7.733161
10 Romanian_Apuseni @ 7.924394
11 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 8.394191
12 Romanian_Gorj @ 8.470846
13 Spanish_Spain @ 9.004905
14 Moldavian_Molodva @ 9.086292
15 Spanish_Baleares @ 9.179438
16 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 9.551341
17 Corsican_Corsica @ 9.554956
18 German_SouthGermany @ 9.587213
19 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 9.639466
20 Austrian_Austria @ 9.673553

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +50% Italian_Tuscany @ 3.047311


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% Greek_Thessaloniki +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 2.738542


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_France + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.654849
2 Basque_Spain + Belarusian_Zhytkavichy_Homel + German_Germany + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.695920
3 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.729431
4 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.738542
5 Albanian_Albania + French_France + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.770288
6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.778611
7 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.791783
8 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.822310
9 Albanian_Albania + German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.845367
10 English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.852740
11 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.858100
12 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.866939
13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Cornwall + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.876342
14 Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.882305
15 English_Kent + French_France + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.885993
16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.886654
17 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.891653
18 German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.912454
19 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.913806
20 Basque_Spain + German_Germany + Sorb_Lusatia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.918890

Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.58
2 North_Sea 19.24
3 West_Med 16.47
4 Baltic 11.96
5 East_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 7.58
7 Eastern_Euro 5.56
8 Red_Sea 1.47
9 Southeast_Asian 0.44
10 South_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.99
2 Spanish_Cataluna 8.41
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.2
4 Portuguese 9.42
5 French 9.82
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.83
7 Spanish_Murcia 9.91
8 Spanish_Extremadura 9.95
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.53
10 Serbian 10.77
11 Spanish_Andalucia 11
12 Romanian 11.52
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.72
14 Austrian 11.93
15 Southwest_French 12.16
16 Spanish_Cantabria 12.17
17 Tuscan 12.29
18 South_Dutch 12.57
19 Bulgarian 12.61
20 Spanish_Aragon 13.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 41.7% Romanian @ 2.46
2 60.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 39.3% Bulgarian @ 2.73
3 60.9% North_Italian + 39.1% Austrian @ 2.95
4 53.7% Romanian + 46.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.98
5 56.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 43.9% Romanian @ 3.02
6 52.4% Spanish_Valencia + 47.6% Romanian @ 3.09
7 50.5% Romanian + 49.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.37
8 50.6% Spanish_Valencia + 49.4% Serbian @ 3.37
9 51.5% Romanian + 48.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.4
10 66.4% Romanian + 33.6% French_Basque @ 3.41
11 66.3% North_Italian + 33.7% East_German @ 3.46
12 51.5% Romanian + 48.5% Southwest_French @ 3.49
13 58.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 41.3% Bulgarian @ 3.49
14 54.2% Spanish_Murcia + 45.8% Romanian @ 3.55
15 57.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 42.9% Serbian @ 3.55
16 55.6% Serbian + 44.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.58
17 54.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 45.5% Serbian @ 3.64
18 57.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.4% Hungarian @ 3.65
19 52.4% Serbian + 47.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.72
20 50.6% Serbian + 49.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.75

Eurogenes ANE K7
Population
ANE 11.63 Pct
ASE 2.61 Pct
WHG-UHG 54.05 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.29 Pct
ENF 31.43 Pct

4. German/Cimbrian speaker from the Sette Communi, Vicenza, Veneto. Of course, he is the most northern shifted.

MDLP K16
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.56
2 Caucasian 26.30
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.24
4 Steppe 19.17
5 NearEast 1.19


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French_EastFrance @ 6.303765
2 French_NorthwestFrance @ 6.380676
3 German_Germany @ 6.468448
4 Provencal_Provence @ 6.589163
5 Serbian_Serbia @ 6.706908
6 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 6.840119
7 Italian_Friul @ 7.327539
8 Romanian_Apuseni @ 7.392306
9 Swiss_Switzerland @ 7.700625
10 Italian_Bergamo @ 8.036129
11 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 8.097525
12 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 8.167614
13 German_SouthGermany @ 8.170527
14 Moldavian_Molodva @ 8.224478
15 Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 8.311231
16 Romanian_Gorj @ 8.328308
17 Austrian_Austria @ 8.374732
18 Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 8.392140
19 Croat_Croatia @ 8.445442
20 Spanish_Spain @ 9.145966

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Lipsian_(Saxony) +50% Italian_Bergamo @ 3.078707


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.442309


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.442309
2 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.494669
3 French_France + German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Athens @ 2.530365
4 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.596984
5 English_Kent + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.606572
6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + French_France + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.635867
7 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.637664
8 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.639476
9 French_France + German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Greece @ 2.639620
10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.649722
11 German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.654432
12 German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.659152
13 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.665249
14 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Tuscany @ 2.669505
15 Dutch_Netherlands + French_France + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.673364
16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + French_France + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.674382
17 German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.674769
18 German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.682865
19 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.685774
20 Italian_Bergamo + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.703940

Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.28
2 Atlantic 21.92
3 West_Med 18.04
4 East_Med 8.86
5 Baltic 8.43
6 Eastern_Euro 7.83
7 West_Asian 5.77
8 Red_Sea 2.03
9 Amerindian 0.85

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.28
2 Spanish_Galicia 7.58
3 Portuguese 8.82
4 South_Dutch 9.16
5 Spanish_Cataluna 9.18
6 West_German 9.61
7 Spanish_Extremadura 10.63
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.67
9 North_Italian 11.16
10 Spanish_Murcia 11.31
11 Serbian 12.45
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.73
13 East_German 13.01
14 Southwest_English 13.25
15 Spanish_Valencia 13.47
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.85
17 Austrian 13.91
18 Southwest_French 14.07
19 Spanish_Andalucia 14.26
20 Hungarian 14.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% West_German + 21.1% Sardinian @ 2.83
2 54.1% West_German + 45.9% North_Italian @ 3.13
3 62.6% North_Italian + 37.4% Norwegian @ 3.17
4 81.7% French + 18.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.22
5 64.5% North_Italian + 35.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.23
6 84.3% French + 15.7% Greek @ 3.58
7 63.8% North_Italian + 36.2% Swedish @ 3.67
8 86.3% French + 13.7% Central_Greek @ 3.71
9 81.8% French + 18.2% Bulgarian @ 3.78
10 86.9% French + 13.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.81
11 86.9% French + 13.1% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
12 80.1% French + 19.9% Romanian @ 3.89
13 88.1% French + 11.9% South_Italian @ 3.9
14 81.2% French + 18.8% Tuscan @ 3.91
15 91.6% French + 8.4% Cyprian @ 3.94
16 75% French + 25% North_Italian @ 3.98
17 57.6% Spanish_Galicia + 42.4% West_German @ 3.98
18 65.1% North_Italian + 34.9% North_Swedish @ 4.01
19 77.5% French + 22.5% Serbian @ 4.03
20 86% French + 14% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.04

Eurogenes ANE K7
Population
ANE 12.01 Pct
ASE 0.61 Pct
WHG-UHG 56.58 Pct
East_Eurasian 0.89 Pct
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 29.91 Pct

Here they are plotted on the Eurogenes K15 map.
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jobodwannaa
07-15-2018, 07:33 AM
OT: Can you link/post the MDLP K16 Admix Results (the one with Neolithic, Caucasian, Steppe etc.) for a random Sicilian, a random German and a random Norwegian? Thanks.
Haider
07-15-2018, 07:52 AM
Interesting results. I suspect the ancient populations of Northeast Italy like the Adriatic Veneti, for instance, were closely related to Paleo-Balkanites or Illyrians. Their closeness to Serbs seems to suggest so.
Lauχum
07-15-2018, 08:02 AM
OT: Can you link/post the MDLP K16 Admix Results (the one with Neolithic, Caucasian, Steppe etc.) for a random Sicilian, a random German and a random Norwegian? Thanks.

Results from the spreadsheet, which are accessible on GEDmatch after you run a kit through the MDLP K16:
Population Amerindian Ancestor Steppe Indian Arctic Australian Caucasian EastAfrican NorthEastEuropean NearEast Neolithic NorthAfrican Oceanic Siberian SouthEastAsian Subsaharian
German 0.45 0.50 19.60 1.51 0.36 0.21 19.26 0.11 27.40 0.67 25.71 0.61 0.35 2.04 0.10 1.12
Norwegian 0.53 0.24 24.40 0.75 0.42 0.34 14.42 0.15 30.32 0.08 26.81 0.36 0.16 0.71 0.08 0.23
Sicilian 0.14 0.46 11.13 0.42 0.49 0.13 37.03 1.08 9.16 6.86 26.94 4.31 0.47 0.29 0.63 0.46

EDIT: https://genesis.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php
jobodwannaa
07-15-2018, 08:12 AM
Results from the spreadsheet, which are accessible on GEDmatch after you run a kit through the MDLP K16:
Population Amerindian Ancestor Steppe Indian Arctic Australian Caucasian EastAfrican NorthEastEuropean NearEast Neolithic NorthAfrican Oceanic Siberian SouthEastAsian Subsaharian
German 0.45 0.50 19.60 1.51 0.36 0.21 19.26 0.11 27.40 0.67 25.71 0.61 0.35 2.04 0.10 1.12
Norwegian 0.53 0.24 24.40 0.75 0.42 0.34 14.42 0.15 30.32 0.08 26.81 0.36 0.16 0.71 0.08 0.23
Sicilian 0.14 0.46 11.13 0.42 0.49 0.13 37.03 1.08 9.16 6.86 26.94 4.31 0.47 0.29 0.63 0.46

EDIT: https://genesis.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php

OT: How is a German more Subsaharian than a Sicilian?
Lauχum
07-15-2018, 08:20 AM
OT: How is a German more Subsaharian than a Sicilian?

Noise
safinator
08-06-2018, 01:26 PM
Unsurprising results.
Not a Cop
08-07-2018, 12:30 AM
Interesting results, somewhat North and/or Balkan shifted compared to Lombards.



Do you have any results of South-Tyroleans?
Longbowman
08-07-2018, 12:31 AM
Can't believe you found a Cimbrian!
Not a Cop
08-07-2018, 12:45 AM
Can't believe you found a Cimbrian!

There is actually quite a few of such samples, i belive Lukasz had a thread with them onn anthrogenica.
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 01:31 AM
Do you have any results of South-Tyroleans?

Unfortunately no, though there are PCA's where they have been plotted such as the K13 and K15 megaplots from Anthrogenica:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0afw85ftwhhgw4/k15Iter3.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j00tw7ote164v30/canarioguanche.png?dl=0

Tyrolese appear to be considerably south shifted compared to transalpine Austrians.
Percivalle
08-07-2018, 01:34 AM
Do you have any results of South-Tyroleans?

South Tyrolean

MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.04
2 Caucasian 27.71
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.84
4 Steppe 18.58
5 NearEast 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 5.28
2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.55
3 Romanian (Apuseni) 6.24
4 French (EastFrance) 6.37
5 German (Germany) 6.47
6 French (NorthwestFrance) 6.49
7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.5
8 Italian (Friul) 6.75
9 Provencal (Provence) 6.89
10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.96
11 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.05
12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.06
13 Moldavian (Molodva) 7.14
14 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.22
15 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.4
16 Croat (Croatia) 7.45
17 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.78
18 German (SouthGermany) 7.78
19 Austrian (Austria) 7.86
20 Italian (Bergamo) 7.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% German (Germany) + 12.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.66
2 66.8% German (Germany) + 33.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.67
3 60.6% German (Germany) + 39.4% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.74
4 67.2% German (Germany) + 32.8% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.8
5 50.2% German (Germany) + 49.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 3
6 68.5% German (Germany) + 31.5% Greek (Greece) @ 3.04
7 87.8% German (Germany) + 12.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.1
8 60.4% Italian (Bergamo) + 39.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 3.11
9 51.9% Croat (Croatia) + 48.1% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.14
10 68.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 31.4% Pole (Poland) @ 3.15
11 85.1% German (Germany) + 14.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.16
12 69% Italian (Bergamo) + 31% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 3.17
13 55.8% German (Germany) + 44.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.2
14 76.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 23.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.2
15 56.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 43.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 3.21
16 54.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 45.2% French (France) @ 3.23
17 80.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 19.2% Basque (France) @ 3.25
18 57.4% German (Germany) + 42.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.26
19 88.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 11.5% Basque (France) @ 3.29
20 89.3% German (Germany) + 10.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.3



Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.52
2 Baltic 21.67
3 West_Med 20.7
4 East_Med 11.38
5 West_Asian 8.97
6 Red_Sea 2.16
7 Oceanian 0.82
8 South_Asian 0.49
9 Amerindian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 9.49
2 French 9.53
3 Austrian 10.22
4 West_German 10.5
5 Romanian 10.85
6 South_Dutch 11.54
7 Hungarian 11.75
8 North_Italian 12.29
9 East_German 12.46
10 Portuguese 12.66
11 Spanish_Galicia 12.7
12 Spanish_Cataluna 12.98
13 Bulgarian 13.34
14 Spanish_Extremadura 14.02
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.03
16 Moldavian 14.3
17 Spanish_Valencia 14.86
18 Spanish_Murcia 14.95
19 Croatian 15.15
20 Spanish_Cantabria 15.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Serbian + 25.1% French_Basque @ 2.19
2 52.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 47.5% Moldavian @ 2.81
3 52.3% Moldavian + 47.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.89
4 54.9% Austrian + 45.1% North_Italian @ 2.89
5 50.4% North_Italian + 49.6% East_German @ 2.92
6 56.3% Moldavian + 43.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.02
7 62.7% Serbian + 37.3% Southwest_French @ 3.05
8 62.6% Serbian + 37.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.13
9 51.2% Croatian + 48.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.18
10 52.7% Moldavian + 47.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.18
11 50.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 49.5% Moldavian @ 3.34
12 50.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 49.5% Moldavian @ 3.35
13 51% Moldavian + 49% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.4
14 51.2% Moldavian + 48.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.42
15 52% Spanish_Extremadura + 48% Croatian @ 3.48
16 53.7% French + 46.3% Romanian @ 3.48
17 51.8% Moldavian + 48.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.48
18 63.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 36.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52
19 53.3% Portuguese + 46.7% Moldavian @ 3.54
20 58% Hungarian + 42% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.57


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 35.54
2 North_European 35.06
3 Caucasus 18.48
4 Gedrosia 6.63
5 Southwest_Asian 4.25


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.534163
2 French_HGDP @ 13.701546
3 French_Dodecad @ 13.740625
4 Romanians_Behar @ 15.398993
5 German_Dodecad @ 16.165371
6 Hungarians_Behar @ 16.264629
7 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 16.397961
8 North_Italian_HGDP @ 16.419287
9 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 17.035686
10 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 17.073896
11 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.172503
12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 18.301487
13 Kent_1000Genomes @ 19.240065
14 TSI30_Metspalu @ 19.337118
15 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 19.558416
16 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 19.573469
17 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 19.788422
18 English_Dodecad @ 19.922129
19 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 20.651142
20 Tuscan_HGDP @ 20.736839

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Dodecad +50% TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.667686


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Dodecad +25% N_Italian_Dodecad +25% Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.928285


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Dutch_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.591697
2 Greek_Dodecad + Kent_1000Genomes + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.594318
3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Dutch_Dodecad + French_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.666867
4 CEU30_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.689761
5 English_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.698167
6 Dutch_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.701307
7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Dutch_Dodecad + French_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.729576
8 Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.754284
9 Dutch_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.769804
10 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.772480
11 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.801561
12 British_Isles_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.833965
13 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Dutch_Dodecad + French_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.837094
14 Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.860801
15 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + French_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.862060
16 C_Italian_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.869926
17 German_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.871956
18 Cornwall_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.887939
19 British_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Greek_Dodecad @ 0.889442
20 Hungarians_Behar + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 0.890505
Percivalle
08-07-2018, 01:48 AM
Here they are plotted on the Eurogenes K15 map.
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For your K15 map


South Tyrolean

North_Sea 26.34
Atlantic 17.65
Baltic 12.98
Eastern_Euro 6.69
West_Med 17.16
West_Asian 7.57
East_Med 8.62
Red_Sea 2.08
South_Asian 0.19
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.19
Oceanian 0.53
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Ladin from Val Gardena

North_Sea 23.89
Atlantic 18.44
Baltic 9.72
Eastern_Euro 7.02
West_Med 17.11
West_Asian 6.20
East_Med 14.89
Red_Sea 1.47
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.52
Siberian 0.76
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Cimbrian from Veneto

North_Sea 25.73
Atlantic 20.24
Baltic 11.21
Eastern_Euro 6.49
West_Med 15.99
West_Asian 5.42
East_Med 12.58
Red_Sea 1.73
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.34
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.28

Trentino from Trento

North_Sea 21.05
Atlantic 24.85
Baltic 11.30
Eastern_Euro 6.42
West_Med 17.90
West_Asian 3.99
East_Med 13.11
Red_Sea 1.24
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.13
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 02:18 AM
For your K15 map


South Tyrolean

North_Sea 26.34
Atlantic 17.65
Baltic 12.98
Eastern_Euro 6.69
West_Med 17.16
West_Asian 7.57
East_Med 8.62
Red_Sea 2.08
South_Asian 0.19
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.19
Oceanian 0.53
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Ladin from Val Gardena

North_Sea 23.89
Atlantic 18.44
Baltic 9.72
Eastern_Euro 7.02
West_Med 17.11
West_Asian 6.20
East_Med 14.89
Red_Sea 1.47
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.52
Siberian 0.76
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Cimbrian from Veneto

North_Sea 25.73
Atlantic 20.24
Baltic 11.21
Eastern_Euro 6.49
West_Med 15.99
West_Asian 5.42
East_Med 12.58
Red_Sea 1.73
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.34
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.28

Trentino from Trento

North_Sea 21.05
Atlantic 24.85
Baltic 11.30
Eastern_Euro 6.42
West_Med 17.90
West_Asian 3.99
East_Med 13.11
Red_Sea 1.24
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.13
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Thanks for these. Can you post the oracle for the person from Trentino?
Percivalle
08-07-2018, 02:27 AM
Thanks for these. Can you post the oracle for the person from Trentino?

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.85
2 North_Sea 21.05
3 West_Med 17.9
4 East_Med 13.11
5 Baltic 11.3
6 Eastern_Euro 6.42
7 West_Asian 3.99
8 Red_Sea 1.24
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 7.25
2 North_Italian 7.6
3 Portuguese 7.86
4 Spanish_Galicia 8.12
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.46
6 Spanish_Murcia 8.8
7 Spanish_Extremadura 8.92
8 French 9.09
9 Spanish_Valencia 9.97
10 Spanish_Andalucia 10.78
11 Spanish_Cantabria 11.41
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.42
13 Serbian 11.56
14 Southwest_French 11.69
15 South_Dutch 12.39
16 Tuscan 12.62
17 Spanish_Aragon 12.71
18 Austrian 13
19 Romanian 13.07
20 Bulgarian 14.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 37.2% Serbian @ 2.98
2 65.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 34.1% Romanian @ 3.04
3 76.5% North_Italian + 23.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.05
4 68% Spanish_Cataluna + 32% Bulgarian @ 3.26
5 68% North_Italian + 32% East_German @ 3.31
6 77.1% North_Italian + 22.9% North_Swedish @ 3.36
7 76.8% North_Italian + 23.2% Swedish @ 3.5
8 57.7% Spanish_Murcia + 42.3% Serbian @ 3.53
9 64.3% Spanish_Murcia + 35.7% Hungarian @ 3.57
10 72.3% North_Italian + 27.7% North_German @ 3.58
11 78.9% North_Italian + 21.1% Finnish @ 3.61
12 81.2% North_Italian + 18.8% Estonian @ 3.63
13 59% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 41% Serbian @ 3.67
14 68.3% Spanish_Murcia + 31.7% Moldavian @ 3.69
15 76.8% North_Italian + 23.2% Norwegian @ 3.71
16 54.2% Spanish_Valencia + 45.8% Serbian @ 3.71
17 73.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 26.6% Moldavian @ 3.71
18 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Danish @ 3.72
19 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% South_Dutch @ 3.77
20 65.4% North_Italian + 34.6% Austrian @ 3.83
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 02:47 AM
Here they are plotted, the one for Trentino looks a little screwy though.
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Vid Flumina
08-07-2018, 05:04 AM
Here they are plotted, the one for Trentino looks a little screwy though.
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Can you add mine + two results from Cuneo?

Population
North_Sea 23.60
Atlantic 20.94
Baltic 10.41
Eastern_Euro 1.56
West_Med 21.11
West_Asian 9.65
East_Med 11.19
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 1.17
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37

Cuneo 1
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.61
2 North_Sea 24.02
3 West_Med 20.06
4 East_Med 13.99
5 Baltic 8.93
6 West_Asian 3.83
7 Eastern_Euro 2.92
8 Red_Sea 1.34
9 South_Asian 0.32

Cuneo 2
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.89
2 Atlantic 22.56
3 West_Med 21
4 East_Med 11.97
5 Baltic 9.51
6 West_Asian 7.4
7 Eastern_Euro 1.13
8 Red_Sea 0.94
9 South_Asian 0.59

Thank you
Dick
08-07-2018, 05:17 AM
South Tyrolean

MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.04
2 Caucasian 27.71
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.84
4 Steppe 18.58
5 NearEast 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 5.28
2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.55
3 Romanian (Apuseni) 6.24
4 French (EastFrance) 6.37
5 German (Germany) 6.47
6 French (NorthwestFrance) 6.49
7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.5
8 Italian (Friul) 6.75
9 Provencal (Provence) 6.89
10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.96
11 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.05
12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.06
13 Moldavian (Molodva) 7.14
14 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.22
15 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.4
16 Croat (Croatia) 7.45
17 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.78
18 German (SouthGermany) 7.78
19 Austrian (Austria) 7.86
20 Italian (Bergamo) 7.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% German (Germany) + 12.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.66
2 66.8% German (Germany) + 33.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.67
3 60.6% German (Germany) + 39.4% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.74
4 67.2% German (Germany) + 32.8% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.8
5 50.2% German (Germany) + 49.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 3
6 68.5% German (Germany) + 31.5% Greek (Greece) @ 3.04
7 87.8% German (Germany) + 12.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.1
8 60.4% Italian (Bergamo) + 39.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 3.11
9 51.9% Croat (Croatia) + 48.1% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.14
10 68.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 31.4% Pole (Poland) @ 3.15
11 85.1% German (Germany) + 14.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.16
12 69% Italian (Bergamo) + 31% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 3.17
13 55.8% German (Germany) + 44.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.2
14 76.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 23.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.2
15 56.6% Italian (Bergamo) + 43.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 3.21
16 54.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 45.2% French (France) @ 3.23
17 80.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 19.2% Basque (France) @ 3.25
18 57.4% German (Germany) + 42.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.26
19 88.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 11.5% Basque (France) @ 3.29
20 89.3% German (Germany) + 10.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.3


Serious question. How come this South Tyrolean gets Serbian as his first pop? Here's mine:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 27.9
2 Neolithic 26.78
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.27
4 Steppe 18.81
5 NearEast 2.3
6 Indian 1.17
7 SouthEastAsian 0.73
8 Amerindian 0.64
9 Ancestor 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 3.18
2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 3.28
3 Romanian (Apuseni) 3.54
4 Moldavian (Molodva) 3.95
5 Macedonian (Macedonia) 4.22
6 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.5
7 Romanian (Gorj) 4.5
8 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.68
9 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.95
10 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.23
11 Croat (Croatia) 5.43
12 Austrian (Austria) 5.86
13 Italian (Friul) 5.96
14 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.21
15 Swiss (Switzerland) 6.35
16 Romanian (Romania) 6.86
17 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.2
18 Slovenian (Slovenia) 7.22
19 Provencal (Provence) 7.23
20 German (SouthGermany) 7.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25.1% Irish (Cork_Kerry) @ 1.62
2 73.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 26.9% English (England) @ 1.66
3 63.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 36.2% Greek (Athens) @ 1.67
4 70.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 29.9% Irish (Cork_Kerry) @ 1.68
5 79.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 20.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 1.69
6 74.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25.9% Scottish (Highlands) @ 1.69
7 52.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 47.3% Greek (Athens) @ 1.69
8 62.2% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 37.8% Greek (Greece) @ 1.7
9 78.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 21.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 1.7
10 68.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.9% English (England) @ 1.72
11 74.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 1.73
12 69.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 30.9% Scottish (Highlands) @ 1.74
13 70% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 30% Irish (Connacht) @ 1.74
14 75% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 1.75
15 51.6% Icelandic (Iceland) + 48.4% Greek (Athens) @ 1.77
16 66.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 33.1% Scottish (Fife) @ 1.83
17 55.4% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 44.6% Greek (Greece) @ 1.84
18 68.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.7% French (WestFrance) @ 1.84
19 53.6% Dutch (Netherlands) + 46.4% Greek (Greece) @ 1.85
20 73.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 26.4% French (WestFrance) @ 1.87


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Athens +50% Icelandic_Iceland @ 1.897471


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% Greek_Athens +25% Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.751406


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.594712
2 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Macedonian_Macedonia + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.603503
3 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Irish_Ulster + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.605615
4 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Cornwall + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.609005
5 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.609896
6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Greek_Greece @ 1.611035
7 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.615051
8 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Macedonian_Macedonia + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.618345
9 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Greece + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.620701
10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.623789
11 Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Scottish_Highlands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.626490
12 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.631550
13 Greek_Athens + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Macedonian_Macedonia + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.632465
14 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Irish_Ulster @ 1.634791
15 Greek_Athens + Kosovar_Kosovo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.645226
16 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.645631
17 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 1.650435
18 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Irish_Munster + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.651044
19 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.653928
20 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.654479

Can you also post his 2,3 and 4 population approximations like I did?
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 05:22 AM
Can you add mine + two results from Cuneo?

Population
North_Sea 23.60
Atlantic 20.94
Baltic 10.41
Eastern_Euro 1.56
West_Med 21.11
West_Asian 9.65
East_Med 11.19
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 1.17
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37

Cuneo 1
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.61
2 North_Sea 24.02
3 West_Med 20.06
4 East_Med 13.99
5 Baltic 8.93
6 West_Asian 3.83
7 Eastern_Euro 2.92
8 Red_Sea 1.34
9 South_Asian 0.32

Cuneo 2
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.89
2 Atlantic 22.56
3 West_Med 21
4 East_Med 11.97
5 Baltic 9.51
6 West_Asian 7.4
7 Eastern_Euro 1.13
8 Red_Sea 0.94
9 South_Asian 0.59

Thank you

78790

Interesting results. You're a bit north-shifted compared to Bergamo, whilst the Cuneo results are very close to Catalans, are they from the Occitan speaking areas?
Vid Flumina
08-07-2018, 05:47 AM
78790

Interesting results. You're a bit north-shifted compared to Bergamo, whilst the Cuneo results are very close to Catalans, are they from the Occitan speaking areas?

They are from Boves and Peveragno respectively, I went through their Gedcom and there's no trace of Occitan ancestry.

Boves and Peveragno are 100% Piedmontese but are claimed to be Occitan for political reasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_Valleys#Communities_claimed_to_be_Occitan_ since_the_482/99_Act
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 05:49 AM
Serious question. How come this South Tyrolean gets Serbian as his first pop? Here's mine:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 27.9
2 Neolithic 26.78
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.27
4 Steppe 18.81
5 NearEast 2.3
6 Indian 1.17
7 SouthEastAsian 0.73
8 Amerindian 0.64
9 Ancestor 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 3.18
2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 3.28
3 Romanian (Apuseni) 3.54
4 Moldavian (Molodva) 3.95
5 Macedonian (Macedonia) 4.22
6 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.5
7 Romanian (Gorj) 4.5
8 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.68
9 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.95
10 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.23
11 Croat (Croatia) 5.43
12 Austrian (Austria) 5.86
13 Italian (Friul) 5.96
14 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.21
15 Swiss (Switzerland) 6.35
16 Romanian (Romania) 6.86
17 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.2
18 Slovenian (Slovenia) 7.22
19 Provencal (Provence) 7.23
20 German (SouthGermany) 7.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25.1% Irish (Cork_Kerry) @ 1.62
2 73.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 26.9% English (England) @ 1.66
3 63.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 36.2% Greek (Athens) @ 1.67
4 70.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 29.9% Irish (Cork_Kerry) @ 1.68
5 79.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 20.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 1.69
6 74.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25.9% Scottish (Highlands) @ 1.69
7 52.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 47.3% Greek (Athens) @ 1.69
8 62.2% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 37.8% Greek (Greece) @ 1.7
9 78.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 21.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 1.7
10 68.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.9% English (England) @ 1.72
11 74.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 1.73
12 69.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 30.9% Scottish (Highlands) @ 1.74
13 70% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 30% Irish (Connacht) @ 1.74
14 75% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 25% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 1.75
15 51.6% Icelandic (Iceland) + 48.4% Greek (Athens) @ 1.77
16 66.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 33.1% Scottish (Fife) @ 1.83
17 55.4% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 44.6% Greek (Greece) @ 1.84
18 68.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.7% French (WestFrance) @ 1.84
19 53.6% Dutch (Netherlands) + 46.4% Greek (Greece) @ 1.85
20 73.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 26.4% French (WestFrance) @ 1.87


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Athens +50% Icelandic_Iceland @ 1.897471


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% Greek_Athens +25% Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.751406


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.594712
2 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Macedonian_Macedonia + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.603503
3 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Irish_Ulster + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.605615
4 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Cornwall + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.609005
5 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.609896
6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Greek_Greece @ 1.611035
7 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.615051
8 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Macedonian_Macedonia + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.618345
9 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Greece + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.620701
10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.623789
11 Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Scottish_Highlands + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.626490
12 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.631550
13 Greek_Athens + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Macedonian_Macedonia + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.632465
14 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Irish_Ulster @ 1.634791
15 Greek_Athens + Kosovar_Kosovo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.645226
16 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.645631
17 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 1.650435
18 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Irish_Munster + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.651044
19 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.653928
20 Dutch_Netherlands + Greek_Athens + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 1.654479

Can you also post his 2,3 and 4 population approximations like I did?

Because he is filling that gap between the Serbian, Austrian, North_Italian and French reference samples. You can see him getting relatively close scores to French, Italian_Friul and German as well.
Dick
08-07-2018, 05:52 AM
Because he is filling that gap between the Serbian, Austrian, North_Italian and French reference samples. You can see him getting relatively close scores to French, Italian_Friul and German as well.

I didn't ask you nor does that make any sense.
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 05:59 AM
I didn't ask you nor does that make any sense.

No need to be rude, and how does it not make sense? Take a look at the K15 plot I posted. He's plotting between North Italians and Austrians so ends up just to the "west" of the Serbian reference population.
Dick
08-07-2018, 06:06 AM
No need to be rude, and how does it not make sense? Take a look at the K15 plot I posted. He's plotting between North Italians and Austrians so ends up just to the "west" of the Serbian reference population.

I wasn't being rude and my question to him was regarding Mldp K16, not the Eurogenes K15 plot.
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 06:11 AM
I wasn't being rude and my question to him was regarding Mldp K16, not the Eurogenes K15 plot.

He scores Serbian first on the K13 and probably on the K15. His positioning should be more or less the same regardless of the calculator. I was just referring to the K15 plot because it gives us a better visualisation of their genetic positioning. So my explanation remains valid.
Dick
08-07-2018, 06:15 AM
He scores Serbian first on the K13 and probably on the K15. His positioning should be more or less the same regardless of the calculator. I was just referring to the K15 plot because it gives us a better visualisation of their genetic positioning. So my explanation remains valid.

Whatever makes you happy.
Lauχum
08-07-2018, 06:27 AM
:crazy::crazy::crazy:
Percivalle
08-08-2018, 10:00 PM
Serious question. How come this South Tyrolean gets Serbian as his first pop? Here's mine:

Good question.


Can you also post his 2,3 and 4 population approximations like I did?

Sure.




MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.04
2 Caucasian 27.71
3 NorthEastEuropean 21.84
4 Steppe 18.58


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian_Serbia @ 5.659751
2 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 5.960485
3 Romanian_Apuseni @ 6.679072
4 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 7.078498
5 Italian_Friul @ 7.134822
6 French_EastFrance @ 7.355288
7 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 7.451411
8 German_Germany @ 7.458067
9 Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 7.473371
10 French_NorthwestFrance @ 7.530678
11 Moldavian_Molodva @ 7.646168
12 Romanian_Gorj @ 7.662495
13 Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 7.690487
14 Provencal_Provence @ 7.749190
15 Swiss_Switzerland @ 7.940859
16 Croat_Croatia @ 7.941059
17 Austrian_Austria @ 8.396283
18 Italian_Bergamo @ 8.455922
19 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 8.507383
20 German_SouthGermany @ 8.546474

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +50% Macedonian_Macedonia @ 3.272915


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% German_Germany +25% Greek_Athens @ 2.920242


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 German_Germany + German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Athens @ 2.920242
2 German_Germany + German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Greece @ 2.954803
3 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 3.000046
4 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Serbian_Serbia + Serbian_Serbia @ 3.018546
5 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 3.020811
6 German_Germany + German_Germany + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 3.057395
7 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany @ 3.057710
8 German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Pole_EastPoland @ 3.072560
9 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 3.104178
10 German_Germany + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Serbian_Serbia @ 3.108140
11 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia + Serbian_Serbia @ 3.109622
12 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + French_France + German_Germany + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 3.109674
13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Italian_Bergamo + Serbian_Serbia @ 3.116436
14 Albanian_Albania + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 3.124449
15 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Macedonian_Macedonia + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 3.127621
16 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Serbia @ 3.136735
17 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 3.137021
18 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo @ 3.144444
19 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Tuscany + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 3.144553
20 German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Pole_EastPoland @ 3.146385

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