Northern Semites are genetically closer to Persians than they are to Southern Semites. Agree or disa

[cyberlorian]

Northern Semites are genetically closer to Persians than they are to Southern Semites. Agree or disagree?

[Kamal900]

Assyrians and chaldeans? Yes. Levantines..well, it depends.

[rein]

Which countries/ethnicities do you consider northern semites?

[cyberlorian]

Which countries/ethnicities do you consider northern semites?

Assyrians, Iraqis and Syrians.

[Pahli]

Assyrians / Chaldeans are closer to Druze, and some Persians and Armenians than other Semites in general, but it depends I guess.

[Kamal900]

Assyrians, Iraqis and Syrians.

Syrians, especially Muslims, are more closer to Arabians than to Persians.

[Kamal900]

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Yes which is mostly Arabian in origins.

[cyberlorian]

Syrians, especially Muslims, are more closer to Arabians than to Persians.

What about Iraqis?

[Kamal900]

What about Iraqis?

The same, especially in the south.

[Kukushka]

I dont think arab muslims irl separate themselves as they do in this forum.

[cyberlorian]

I dont think arab muslims irl separate themselves as they do in this forum.

Levantines’ Arabic identity is not so strong as far as I know.

[Kukushka]

Levantines’ Arabic identity is not so strong as far as I know.

Really? I think the main difference is between muslims and christians. arabic-speaking muslims such as palestinians certainly consider themselves arab; christians generally dont even though they are arabic speaking. Colonialist tacticts to separate arabs into levantines saudis iraqis etc - it is funny since these countries even did not exist before and the muslim-arab identity was overwhelming. Here in the west people won't/can't make difference between arabs and "levantines" anyway, especially if they are muslins.

Mostly it is north africans who are genetically and look-wise different (from both arabs and "levantines"), more than Iranians are.

[Kamal900]

Really? I think the main difference is between muslims and christians. arabic-speaking muslims such as palestinians certainly consider themselves arab; christians generally dont even though they are arabic speaking. Colonialist tacticts to separate arabs into levantines saudis iraqis etc - it is funny since these countries even did not exist before and the muslim-arab identity was overwhelming. Here in the west people won't/can't make difference between arabs and "levantines" anyway, especially if they are muslins.

Mostly it is north africans who are genetically and look-wise different (from both arabs and "levantines"), more than Iranians are.

I agree though the Christians can identify themselves as Arabs hence that we Arabs have existed long before the advent of Islam and all that. Not all Arabs are Muslims nor all Muslims are Arabs for that matter.

[cyberlorian]

Really? I think the main difference is between muslims and christians. arabic-speaking muslims such as palestinians certainly consider themselves arab; christians generally dont even though they are arabic speaking. Colonialist tacticts to separate arabs into levantines saudis iraqis etc - it is funny since these countries even did not exist before and the muslim-arab identity was overwhelming. Here in the west people won't/can't make difference between arabs and "levantines" anyway, especially if they are muslins.

Mostly it is north africans who are genetically and look-wise different (from both arabs and "levantines"), more than Iranians are.

As far as I know, Levantines and Iraqis do not cluster with Saudis on PCA chart so much. They are somewhere between Saudis and Persians.

[Kamal900]

As far as I know, Levantines and Iraqis do not cluster with Saudis on PCA chart so much. They are somewhere between Saudis and Persians.

True, but it doesn't negate our Arab identity just simply because we're not 100% Arabians or anything.

[rein]

As far as I know, Levantines and Iraqis do not cluster with Saudis on PCA chart so much. They are somewhere between Saudis and Persians.

It’s generally Lebanese who are closest to Iranians than other Arab countries.

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[Kukushka]

As far as I know, Levantines and Iraqis do not cluster with Saudis on PCA chart so much. They are somewhere between Saudis and Persians.

A country like Iraq is very diverse because the borders are not natural. Many are bedouins with arabian origin so they must be close to saudis with the same ancestry. On the other hand there are blacks, kurds, turkmens, assyrians, persians etc living their historically. Same for syria.

[StonyArabia]

What about Iraqis?

Closer to Saudis genetically and culturally than we are to Persians. I bet we are much closer to even Egyptians than Persians. Only certain localities have Persian influence Najaf and Karbala, and parts of Baghdad, but Baghdad is hodgepodge. Persian genes were brought by various Turko-Persian invasions like Afshars, Safavids, and such. Many of our tribes often claim Yemenite and North Arabian origins and often proclaim their Bedouin identity with pride. Also Western Iraqis don't intermix with other ethnic non-Arab groupsl. We intermix with Syrians and Jordanians mostly. My mom is from western Iraq and she is partially Jordanian Howeitat Bedouin from Petra. I feel more warmth and kinship with Saudis than I do with Iranians. Also our traditional clothing is very much the same for both male and females. My mom genetically is very close to Yemenite Jews and Saudis, nothing Iranic about her lol.

Iraqi Kurds are culturally and genetically close to Persians, I believe the same might be of Turkmens.

[Congolese Rice]

lebanese, syrians, and northeastern iraqi's are probably closer to persians than southern semites, maybe also israeli's but im not sure.

Jordanians, Kuwaiti's, southern iraqi's, and some palestinians are probably closest to southern semites.

[Levant15]

Levantines’ Arabic identity is not so strong as far as I know.It's quite strong among Palestinians.... Even among many Christians.
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[Antimatter]

All Semites trace back to the Levant. Levantines have most of their heritage (approx. 85-90%) of Farmer ancestry from 3 different cultures: Levant Neolithic, Iran Neolithic and Anatolia Neolithic [Who in turn share common ancestry from Dzudzuna population in the Caucasus]. And they also have some Steppe Bronze Age (yamnya) (7-15%) admixture likely from the Hittites or Mitanni.