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Sikeliot
07-22-2018, 04:43 PM
My paternal great-grandmother is her first cousin. It was interesting to find someone so closely related.

MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.00
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.10
3 Near_East 11.33
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.59
5 North_African 7.10
6 South_Central_Asian 7.01
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.42


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.567748
2 Sicilian_West_ @ 2.570809
3 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 3.546771
4 Sicilian_East_ @ 3.839921
5 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 3.948057
6 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.023201
7 Maltese_ @ 4.195399
8 French_Jew_ @ 4.748868
9 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.828310
10 Cretan_ @ 7.085333
11 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.236105
12 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 7.409111
13 Italian_Jew_ @ 7.634599
14 Turk_Jew_ @ 7.718498
15 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.783746
16 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 8.042743
17 Italian_South_ @ 8.642373
18 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 9.359352
19 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.744381
20 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 9.922359

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Jew_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 1.612054


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan_ +25% Cypriot_ +25% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.258009


Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.84
2 West_Med 22.09
3 North_Atlantic 17.87
4 West_Asian 13.09
5 Baltic 7.56
6 Red_Sea 5.66
7 Sub-Saharan 1.11
8 Amerindian 0.94
9 Northeast_African 0.64
10 South_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 2.73
2 South_Italian 2.87
3 Central_Greek 4.08
4 West_Sicilian 4.26
5 Italian_Abruzzo 5.68
6 Ashkenazi 6.38
7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.53
8 Italian_Jewish 8.68
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.79
10 Greek_Thessaly 9.59
11 Tuscan 10.91
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.75
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.38
14 Cyprian 16.02
15 North_Italian 17.34
16 Bulgarian 18.39
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.51
18 Romanian 20.31
19 Syrian 20.47
20 Turkish 21.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.9% South_Italian + 37.1% West_Sicilian @ 1.71
2 80.3% West_Sicilian + 19.7% Cyprian @ 1.72
3 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.76
4 95.3% South_Italian + 4.7% North_Swedish @ 1.79
5 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Hungarian @ 1.81
6 61.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 38.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.81
7 94.2% South_Italian + 5.8% East_German @ 1.82
8 95.8% South_Italian + 4.2% Finnish @ 1.82
9 95.8% South_Italian + 4.2% Estonian @ 1.82
10 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Austrian @ 1.83
11 91.7% South_Italian + 8.3% Serbian @ 1.84
12 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Belorussian @ 1.84
13 95.3% South_Italian + 4.7% Polish @ 1.85
14 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.86
15 59.7% Tuscan + 40.3% Cyprian @ 1.87
16 96% South_Italian + 4% La_Brana-1 @ 1.87
17 95.9% South_Italian + 4.1% East_Finnish @ 1.87
18 52% Cyprian + 48% North_Italian @ 1.88
19 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Swedish @ 1.88
20 94.9% South_Italian + 5.1% South_Polish @ 1.88



Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.95
2 West_Med 17.85
3 Atlantic 15.79
4 West_Asian 13.32
5 North_Sea 8.54
6 Baltic 7.1
7 Red_Sea 5.72
8 Northeast_African 1.01
9 Sub-Saharan 0.77
10 Amerindian 0.65
11 Eastern_Euro 0.23
12 South_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.01
2 East_Sicilian 3.93
3 Central_Greek 4.94
4 West_Sicilian 5.2
5 Italian_Abruzzo 5.94
6 Italian_Jewish 7.39
7 Ashkenazi 7.56
8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.98
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.45
10 Greek 9.01
11 Tuscan 10.22
12 Greek_Thessaly 10.3
13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.02
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.47
15 Cyprian 15.1
16 North_Italian 16.67
17 Bulgarian 16.79
18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.64
19 Romanian 19.08
20 Syrian 19.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% South_Italian + 7.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.22
2 70% South_Italian + 30% West_Sicilian @ 2.23
3 92.6% South_Italian + 7.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.25
4 92.3% South_Italian + 7.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.28
5 93.6% South_Italian + 6.4% Southwest_French @ 2.28
6 93.3% South_Italian + 6.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.28
7 92.3% South_Italian + 7.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.29
8 95% South_Italian + 5% French_Basque @ 2.3
9 93% South_Italian + 7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.31
10 92.5% South_Italian + 7.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.33
11 93% South_Italian + 7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.34
12 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.36
13 92.8% South_Italian + 7.2% Portuguese @ 2.38
14 84.7% South_Italian + 15.3% Tuscan @ 2.41
15 90.3% South_Italian + 9.7% North_Italian @ 2.42
16 93.3% South_Italian + 6.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.43
17 94.3% South_Italian + 5.7% Austrian @ 2.46
18 96.1% South_Italian + 3.9% La_Brana-1 @ 2.49
19 95.9% South_Italian + 4.1% Irish @ 2.51
20 94.6% South_Italian + 5.4% French @ 2.53



Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.71
2 Atlantic_Med 30.13
3 North_European 12.92
4 Southwest_Asian 11.24
5 Gedrosia 7.47
6 Northwest_African 4.2
7 South_Asian 0.75
8 East_African 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.43
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.54
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.06
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.46
5 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.65
6 Greek (Dodecad) 9.66
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.07
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.59
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 10.96
10 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 11.38
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.92
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.93
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.93
14 Cypriots (Behar) 20.04
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.73
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 22.17
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 22.48
18 Romanians (Behar) 23.4
19 Lebanese (Behar) 23.92
20 Turks (Behar) 24.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 48.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.09
2 81.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.48
3 80.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.1% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.51
4 78% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22% French (HGDP) @ 2.54
5 64.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 35.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.55
6 81.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.8% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.55
7 81.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.8% English (Dodecad) @ 2.56
8 81.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.5% British (Dodecad) @ 2.59
9 80.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.61
10 58.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 41.6% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.65
11 81.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.65
12 82.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.66
13 78.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.67
14 80.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.3% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.67
15 58.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 41.3% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.67
16 82% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.68
17 82.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.69
18 51.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 48.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.7
19 88.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.5% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.72
20 89% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.73


HarappaWorld:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.06
2 Mediterranean 28.05
3 NE-Euro 16.26
4 SW-Asian 12.57
5 Baloch 7.59
6 S-Indian 0.97
7 E-African 0.89
8 American 0.45
9 Pygmy 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 4.68
2 ashkenazi (harappa) 5.38
3 sephardic-jew (behar) 9.25
4 tuscan (1000genomes) 9.98
5 morocco-jew (behar) 10.18
6 tuscan (hgdp) 10.56
7 tuscan (hapmap) 11.14
8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 16.81
9 italian (hgdp) 18.76
10 cypriot (behar) 19.56
11 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 20.01
12 romanian-a (behar) 20.97
13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.12
14 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 22.27
15 lebanese (behar) 22.78
16 turk (behar) 23.75
17 turkish (harappa) 24.37
18 romanian-b (behar) 24.85
19 lebanese-muslim (haber) 25.27
20 syrian (behar) 25.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.6% cypriot (behar) + 39.4% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.74
2 52% sephardic-jew (behar) + 48% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.81
3 59.5% italian (hgdp) + 40.5% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 1.93
4 67.4% tuscan (hapmap) + 32.6% lebanese (behar) @ 1.93
5 57% druze (hgdp) + 43% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.08
6 52.1% spaniard (1000genomes) + 47.9% druze (hgdp) @ 2.15
7 70% tuscan (1000genomes) + 30% lebanese (behar) @ 2.26
8 71.6% tuscan (hapmap) + 28.4% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.33
9 59.8% italian (hgdp) + 40.2% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2.36
10 91.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 8.3% basque (hgdp) @ 2.41
11 89.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 10.6% sardinian (hgdp) @ 2.44
12 69.8% tuscan (hapmap) + 30.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.47
13 69.9% tuscan (hapmap) + 30.1% syrian (behar) @ 2.49
14 91.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 8.4% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.5
15 70.1% tuscan (hapmap) + 29.9% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.51
16 70.5% tuscan (hapmap) + 29.5% jordanian (behar) @ 2.6
17 57.8% druze (hgdp) + 42.2% basque (hgdp) @ 2.62
18 72.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 27.4% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.65
19 74% tuscan (1000genomes) + 26% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.69
20 71.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 28.5% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.69



PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.91
2 West_Asia 23.63
3 SW_Asia 15.94
4 NE_Europe 15.66
5 South_Asia 1.86
6 West_Africa 1.46
7 Americas 1.18
8 Oceania 0.2
9 South_Africa 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Sicilian 2.81
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 3.53
3 Sephardic_Jew 5.96
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.16
5 Greek_Central 7.78
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.72
7 Albanian 12.28
8 Italian_Tuscan 13.25
9 Kosovar 13.68
10 Cypriot 14.1
11 Turkish 16.08
12 Turkish_Kayseri 18.23
13 Bulgarian 18.43
14 Italian_Bergamo 18.7
15 Macedonian 18.76
16 Turkish_Aydin 19.01
17 Syrian 19.27
18 Lebanese_Christian 19.38
19 Lebanese_Druze 19.93
20 Romanian 20.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.2% Italian_Sicilian + 4.8% Colombian @ 2.17
2 93.4% Italian_Sicilian + 6.6% Puerto_Rican @ 2.21
3 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Mexican @ 2.26
4 97.4% Italian_Sicilian + 2.6% Ecuadorian @ 2.29
5 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Mayan @ 2.41
6 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Karitiana @ 2.42
7 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Surui @ 2.42
8 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Colombian @ 2.42
9 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Pima @ 2.42
10 98.4% Italian_Sicilian + 1.6% Paniya @ 2.51
11 98.3% Italian_Sicilian + 1.7% Mawasi @ 2.51
12 98.4% Italian_Sicilian + 1.6% Pulliyar @ 2.54
13 97.5% Italian_Sicilian + 2.5% Dominican @ 2.55
14 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% Hakkipikki @ 2.6
15 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% North_Kannadi @ 2.6
16 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Gond @ 2.61
17 60.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 39.2% French_Basque @ 2.62
18 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% Sakilli @ 2.62
19 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Chenchus @ 2.62
20 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Eskimo @ 2.63

Sikeliot
07-23-2018, 04:07 AM
MDLP K16:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.01
2 Neolithic 26.13
3 Steppe 13.77
4 NorthEastEuropean 7.34
5 NearEast 6.81
6 NorthAfrican 5.4
7 EastAfrican 0.28
8 Ancestor 0.18
9 Oceanic 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian (SouthItaly) 3.41
2 Jew (Ashkenazi) 3.97
3 Sicilian (Sicily) 4.3
4 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.16
5 Greek (Athens) 5.19
6 Maltese (Malta) 5.27
7 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.63
8 Jew (Bulgaria) 5.81
9 Greek (Greece) 6.45
10 Jew (Italian) 6.51
11 Greek (Macedonia) 7.27
12 Jew (Turkey) 7.29
13 Jew (Sephardim) 7.48
14 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.72
15 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 7.81
16 Greek (Greece) 7.97
17 Greek (Peloponnes) 8
18 Jew (Algeria) 8.15
19 Albanian (Albania) 8.71
20 Jew (Morocco) 8.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.4% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.6% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.84
2 93.7% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.89
3 93.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.7% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.94
4 93.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.1% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.95
5 93% Italian (SouthItaly) + 7% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 2.99
6 93.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.1% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.99
7 93.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3
8 93.4% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.6% Georgian (Laz) @ 3.01
9 94.1% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.9% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 3.01
10 94.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.7% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 3.01
11 93.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.2% Georgian (Georgia) @ 3.03
12 94.5% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.5% Adygei (Adygea) @ 3.05
13 91.4% Sicilian (Sicily) + 8.6% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.07
14 94.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.1% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 3.08
15 90.4% Italian (SouthItaly) + 9.6% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.08
16 93.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 6.1% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 3.08
17 94.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.7% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 3.09
18 94.6% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.4% Jew (Georgia) @ 3.09
19 94.6% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.4% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 3.09
20 94.2% Italian (SouthItaly) + 5.8% Assyrian (Turkey) @ 3.17

Tauromachos
07-23-2018, 04:16 AM
1 Italian_Sicilian 2.81
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 3.53
3 Sephardic_Jew 5.96
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.16
5 Greek_Central 7.78
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.72
7 Albanian 12.28
8 Italian_Tuscan 13.25
9 Kosovar 13.68
10 Cypriot 14.1
11 Turkish 16.08
12 Turkish_Kayseri 18.23
13 Bulgarian 18.43
14 Italian_Bergamo 18.7
15 Macedonian 18.76
16 Turkish_Aydin 19.01
17 Syrian 19.27
18 Lebanese_Christian 19.38
19 Lebanese_Druze 19.93
20 Romanian 20.72

Interesting^

Sikeliot
07-23-2018, 02:10 PM
1 Italian_Sicilian 2.81
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 3.53
3 Sephardic_Jew 5.96
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.16
5 Greek_Central 7.78
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.72
7 Albanian 12.28
8 Italian_Tuscan 13.25
9 Kosovar 13.68
10 Cypriot 14.1
11 Turkish 16.08
12 Turkish_Kayseri 18.23
13 Bulgarian 18.43
14 Italian_Bergamo 18.7
15 Macedonian 18.76
16 Turkish_Aydin 19.01
17 Syrian 19.27
18 Lebanese_Christian 19.38
19 Lebanese_Druze 19.93
20 Romanian 20.72

Interesting^


That is how all of their results come out. This one is no different.

Lauχum
07-24-2018, 03:26 AM
"West" Sicilians from Palermo once again scoring closer to South_Italian and East_Sicilian than to West_Sicilian. The West_Sicilian reference pop on Eurogenes is from Trapani right?

Sikeliot
07-24-2018, 03:35 AM
"West" Sicilians from Palermo once again scoring closer to South_Italian and East_Sicilian than to West_Sicilian. The West_Sicilian reference pop on Eurogenes is from Trapani right?

Yes. West Sicily sample is based on Trapani.

Tauromachos
07-24-2018, 03:37 AM
That is how all of their results come out. This one is no different.

If so then their top 10 populations is not much different from that of Southern Mainland Greeks^

Sikeliot
07-24-2018, 03:38 AM
If so then their top 10 populations is not much different from that of Southern Mainland Greeks^


The order is different, and mainland Greeks do not get Lebanese nor Syrians in their top 20.

Tauromachos
07-24-2018, 03:54 AM
The order is different, and mainland Greeks do not get Lebanese nor Syrians in their top 20.

Mostly correct
But what you mean by order i don't know

Because Mainland Greeks don't get always Albanian or Kosovar before Jewish or Sicilian

I have seen alot of Southern Mainland results who get Sicilian and Jewish before Albanian.

Some don't get Albanian even in their top 10

The rest gets often Abruzzo and Central Greek before they get Albanian

Shall i gather and post again all the Mainland Greek results which display what i have explained
or do you simply believe me this time and agree with these points i mentioned at least?


Also they seem quite overlapping in their closer distances top 5 top 10

And the top 20 reflects more the minor parts of their ancestry i would say

Alessio
07-26-2018, 12:24 PM
How much do you share with her? How is it possible that you paternal g-grandmother is her 1st C? She must be extremely old then.

Sikeliot
07-26-2018, 12:33 PM
How much do you share with her? How is it possible that you paternal g-grandmother is her 1st C? She must be extremely old then.


75

We actually know exactly who our common ancestor is. She has met my family in person.

Alessio
07-26-2018, 12:39 PM
You should look at this chart first to determine the exact relationship; so she's your 1 C 3 x R? 75 cM is on the low side but certainly possible. Anyway, congrats! It's always nice to find cousins through DNA-matches. My highest is 142 cM and she's a woman of age (80+) and we share a couple of other matches from the same comune. If you ever need records (i.e. birth/marriage/birth records etc.) I have a good address for you in Italy and they speak/write fluently English.

https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics#/media/File:Shared_cM_version_3.jpg


75

We actually know exactly who our common ancestor is. She has met my family in person.